txbengali

Jimbo, I'll thank you not to post if you don't want to post on topic. Thank you, come again. On the author of the Gita, I'm very enquisative and I don't just accept what people say without doing research. Came across this, about Sri Veda Vyasa. He was the great grandson of the famous Brahmarishi, VasishTA and the grand son of the sage Shakthi and the son of the eminent sage ParAsarA; latter was blessed by VasishTA and PulasthyA and on account of their blessings, ParAsarA was endowed with the true knowledge of the Supreme Reality. If his family is all sages, doesn't that make them all Bhramin? I don't mean by birth, but by the path they chose?

I know In the Gita and in the Rigveda caste is defiend as your qualit, it the Veda it just gives characteristics, and the the Gita Krishna says he determines your caste based on your Karma and Guna, the caste system itself isn't my question, I understand it. And as far as Spacecowboy goes, the agrument between us is he thinks that the Bhramins messed everthing up and that the Varnas (esp concerning Bhramins) were not created in the Vedic Age and was a later concoction of the Bhramins in the Classical Hinduism Age to sulidify their power. He actually abadons Varna as a device that Bhramans used to subjectgate the Suda(servile caste, i think i spelled it wrong)and to make themself better than everyone else. What I am trying to undestand if his idea has merit, based on my beliefs and intrupatations of the Veda, Gitas and Puranas. Basically am I write or is he right about the founding of the Varnas? He has proved to me he is write he uses no evidence and when I put evidence forth he says the Bhramins made it up (the evidence). So he's not doign a good job conviencing. So I'm wanting to know from my elders or the more learned if his idea can be proven and to prove it to me so I can learn from my misunderstandings of the religion. Hope that makes sense.

I hope your not infering I'm a Muslim. This white thread across my chest would look awfully funny if I was. http://forums.ratedesi.com/showthread.php?t=105366 Read this post started by me on another forum and I think you'll understand what I'm asking. Look at the post of "spacecowby" and "aiyun". I just want to know if I'm wrong and those two are right. Any help would be appreacted, because if I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it. AND THIS IS NOT A MUSLIM COMING ON TO A HINDU BOARD, RATHER A YOUNG HINDU TRYING TO UNDERSTAND MORE If you don't want to help me out thats fine, but please don't call me a muslim trying to attack Hindus. I know Krishna existed and I don't believe my caste (bhramins) wrote the Gita or the Vedas for purpose of power, but the hindus (i use the word loosely)...on the post I linked you too believe that Bhramins are to blame for everything which offends me.

Whoooa there. I am a Bengali Hindu, and Bhramin, the founder of my bloodline is one of the Writers of the Vedas. This is not a post about the valitity of Hinduism, just : Was the Caste system created in the Proto-Vedic Culture or was it a later addition during Classical Hinduism (ie the time of the Gita and Mohabatrat)

Well I'm new here. I started a post in another forum about the vedas and the gita prohbiting alcohol, and it turned into a theological debate. I mentioned I was Bhramin and some guy (everyone on this board is desi and under 25) starting ranting how Bhramins are evil. So the Subject of this thread is his basic belief. --------------------------Yeah it's pretty clear to me that this guy's in denial. NO, the original Vedas DID NOT HAVE BRAMHINS, and the fact that you keep talking about this only shows how much of a prejudiced Brahmin you really are. You've got so much propaganda in here I don't even know where to begin. For the record, Brahmins NEVER made the original Vedas. Most Brahmin scholars were too uptight about keeping their social stature the didn't even have the TIME to comprehend the originals. And yeah, I don't rule out the possibility of Brahmins creating Krishna [just like they created the rest of the .] to solidify their power. The real heroes are those such as Buddha and Asoka, and Gupta, and the myriad of unknown sages, and rishies, and holy men that traverse well off the beaten path up the himalayan mountains with nothing but FOCUS alone, to achieve Nirvana. THOSE are the many MANY unknown scholars who deserve REAL credit. Not Krishna, or Ram, or Arjuna. -------------------------- Above is an exerpt about him saying I'm in denial, etc, etc. So basically if anyone agrees with his statement, unlike him, can you please site for me some references. My reference to rebut his theory was the Rigveda which does tell about the 4 Varnas. His rebuttal was that the Bhramins added that to the Vedas and that they made up the Gita and Krishna to solidify their power. Any input supporting or refuting this statement would great thanked. I'll assume unlike the other board, there are more aunties and uncles and less young adults and teenagers. Thanks, Rana