westcoast

The subject of the post is the recent discovery of what is the root of destruction and uncooperation in the movement that is making devotees arguing about the Vani, Vani vs. Vani, this cannot be as the Vani is one. It is offensive then is it not to have Vani vs. Vani. Now this is Krishna Consciousness Srila Prabhupada Vani so we have to be very sensitive do we not? Just because of Vani vs. Vani so many formal and informal divisions amongst the devotees have been formed and are forming. There is the division in Commissioners of GBC, IRM, PADA etc deemed formal. Then in the talking and surfing there are informal divisons. WHY IS THIS? There is PURITY(P) but it is mixed with IMPURITY(I) and when it is proven that it is IMPURITY(I) it is falsely acknowledged as PURITY(P) because of IMPURITY(I), P+I=I=P=I or "Piipi". The answer is P-I=P or "Pip". So the Vani is Pip, however due to the divisions mentioned earlier the Vani is falsely seen to be Piipi, this is offensive. The arguments and divisions will always be there unless Pippi is rejected for Pip. For example there is a devotee saying that pure devotees are not within the jurisdiction of the Srila Prabhupada's Vani. In other words, the Vani is not Pip but Piipi. This devotee is therefor saying that the Vani is imperfect and impure. To say this is it not being offensive? Then there is another devotee instead of being happy with the Vani is requesting for another different Vani, is this not offensive? Pip not Piipi is required.

Take this example, suppose Srila Prabhupada's 'vapu' is in Krsna Balaram Mandir Vrindavan room, circa now, he is on his bed with those same 1977 'room disciples' present in the room. There are webcams around Srila Prabhupada in the same room that are being broadcasted what is happening in the room via the internet. The thousands of 'out of room disciples' around the world are watching the events closely as they happen. There are also 'out of room disciples' in Vrindavan, in the vicinity of Krsna Balaram Mandir monitoring and watching the broadcast on the internet. In the webcam broadcast there is facility for webcam broadcast anchorperson/s (perhaps the 'room disciple/s' or 'out of room disciple/s' or both 'room disciple/s' and 'out of room disciple/s' with no or part or full access to the room if 'out of room disciple/s'only). Available to the broadcast viewers would also be internet chat and forums Suddenly, we have that part of the event to do with Srila Prabhupada mentioning being poisoned. Thousands of 'out of room devotees' watch and hear this and those same 'room disciples' are recorded. What happens next? There would be phones/internet/wire communication frantically around the world specially to Vrindavan. 'Out of room disciples' would also arrive in Vrindavan by planes, trains and automobiles etc after hearing poisoning being mentioned by Srila PrabhupadaWhat happens next? At the same time, the 'out of room disciples' in Vrindavan that were watching the broadcast on the internet would run and storm the room. What happens next? Some very sensible and intelligent 'out of room disciples' with leadership strength would do various activities: Asking Srila Prabhupada? Staying and monitoring 'room disciples'? Asking 'room disciples'? Reprimanding the 'room disciples'? Calling the police? Getting physicians and investigators? Asking the 'room disciples' to leave the room? Citizen's arrest of 'room disciples'? Controlling events? Seizing the 'room disciples' if there is any force used by them? Putting the 'room disciples' in prison? Have another personal secretary for Srila Prabhupada? Confiscation of medicines and consumption products? Confiscation of all the recent tapes / including the 30 days missing tapes? Confiscation and search of 'rooms' and 'room disciples' possessions? etc. This is Law of Culture that shows serving/respect/purity/loyalty to Srila Prabhupada and his disciples. However in reality this did not happen in 1977 and now something needs to happen in the present context and circumstances of 'out of room disciples,' what is that? what is the best that we can do?: Ban all those 'room disciples, including Adridharan das from the reform/revival efforts and ISKCON, that were in the room when Srila Prabhupada mentioned poisoning. This is especially more important when some of those 'room disciples' that were in the 'vapu room' are trying to become reform/revival leader/champion/martyr/rep/hero in the 'vani room'. The reform/revival has/will become a joke and after the reform/revival these decisions of giving status to those 'room disciples' and being with them in the 'vani room' during the reform/revival processes will haunt all.

White Marble Ganesh She came up to me Dressed in rags of orange drapery She said I was going to die But I could learn to fly There is a sky Beyond the mind Beyond all time Behind the eye White marble Ganesh Drinking milk on my tv Simple miracle on channel 9 If you wanna see Then she said to me: Hare Rama, Rama Krishna Hare Rama Krishna, Krishna Hare Rama Rama, Hare Rama Hare Krishna Hare Rama Krishna, Krishna Hare Rama Krishna, Krishna Hare Rama Krishna Hare Rama Krishna Hare Krishna Hare, Hare The night before I was so drunk Fell asleep on this city park bench I woke up to the sounds of these White teenagers beating up on Moroccan kids They were throwing bottles and stones They were trashing their backs She came up to me and she said That I don't have to believe in this life There is a sky beyond the mind Beyond all time Behind the eye White marble Ganesh Drinking milk on my tv Simple miracle on channel 9 If you wanna see Then she said to me: Hare Rama, Rama Krishna Hare Rama Krishna, Krishna Hare Rama Krishna Hare Rama Hare Krishna Hare Rama, Rama Krishna Hare Rama Krishna, Krishna Hare Rama, Rama Hare Rama Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Hare Rama, Rama Krishna Hare Rama Krishna, Krishna Hare Rama, Rama Hare Rama Hare Krishna Hare Krishna . . . Greg Keelor ©1997 Blue Rodeo Productions [This message has been edited by westcoast (edited 12-29-2001).]