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  1. Ravi, How can I message you if you are not a registered user?
  2. SIVA CONTINUED: "The infinite consciousness is like a creeper. It is sprinkled with the latent tendencies of countless jivas. Desires are the buds. Past creations are the filaments. The sentient and the insentient beings are parts of the creeper. The one appears as many, but it has not become many. It is by this infinite consciousness that all this is thought of, expressed and done. It is the infinite consciousness which appears as the bodies which are in fact inert and which come into contact with one another and derive various experiences. This consciousness is like the typhoon which is unseen in itself but in which sand-particles and dust rise and dance as if by themselves. This consciousness casts a shadow in itself, as it were and that is regarded as tamas (or the guna of darkness, inertia). In this body, thoughts and notions generate action in the light of this very consciousness. Surely, but for this consciousness even an object which is immediately in front of oneself cannot be experienced. This body cannot function nor exist but for this consciousness. It grows, it falls, it eats, etc. This consciousness creates and maintains all the movable and the immovable beings in the universe. The infinite consciousness alone exists, naught else exists. Consciousness alone has arisen in consciousness."
  3. SIVA CONTINUED: "Somewhere this consciousness functions as space, somewhere as a jiva (embodied self), somewhere as action, somewhere as substance and so forth, but without intending to do so. Even as all the 'different' oceans are but one indivisible mass of water, this consciousness, though described in different ways, is but one cosmic mass of consciousness. In the body, which is like a lotus, it is the same consciousness that imbibes the experience which is like honey gathered by the restless mind which is like the bee. In this universe all these various beings (the gods, the demons, the mountains, the oceans and so forth) flow within the infinite consciousness even as eddies and whirlpools appear in the ocean. Even the wheel of ignorance, which causes the wheel of life and death to revolve, revolves within this cosmic consciousness whose energy is in constant motion. It was consciousness, in the form of the four-armed Visnu, that destroyed the demons, even as a thunderstorm equipped with the rainbow quenches the heat that rises from the earth. It is consciousness alone which takes the form of Siva and Parvati, of Brahma the creator and the numerous other beings. This consciousness is like a mirror which holds a reflection within itself, as it were, without undergoing any modification thereby. Without undergoing any modification in itself, this consciousness appears as all these countless beings in this universe."
  4. SIVA CONTINUED: "That God is not distant from anyone, O Holy sage, nor is he difficult to attain: he is forever seated in the body and he is everywhere like space. He does everything, he eats, he holds everything togthers, he goes, he breathes, he knows every limb of the body. He is the light in which all these limbs function and all the diverse activities take place. He dwells in the cave of one's own heart. He transcends the mind and the five senses of cognition; therefore he cannot be comprehended nor described by them - yet for the purpose of instruction he is indicated as 'consciousness'. Hence, though it appears as though he does everything, he does nothing. That consciousness is pure and seemingly engages itself in the activites of the world to the same extent as the spring does in flowering trees."
  5. SIVA CONTINUED: "I shall now describe to you the mode of worship appropriate to enlightened people like you. The Lord fit to be worshipped is indeed the one who upholds the entire creation, who is beyond thought and description, who is beyond concepts of even the 'all' and the 'collective totality'. He alone is referred to as 'God' who is undivided and indivisible by space and time, whose light illumines all the objects, who is pure and absolute consciousness. He is that intelligence which is beyond all parts, which is hidden in all that is, which is the being in all that is and which robs all that is of their being (i.e., which veils the truth - (MAYA!!)). This Brahman is in the middle of being, it is God, and the truth that is indicated as 'OM'. It exists everywhere like the essence in a plant. That pure consciousness which is in you, in me and in all the gods and goddesses alone is God. O Holy Sage, even the other gods endowed with form are indeed nothing but that pure consciousness. The entire universe is pure consciousness. That is God, that 'all' I am, that is you; everything is attained from and through him."
  6. SIVA CONTINUED: "Worship of that Lord is true worship. He is undivided and indivisible, non-dual and not fashioned or created by activity (by mind); he is not attained by external efforts. His adoration is the fountain-source of joy. The external worship of a form is prescribed only for those whose intelligence has not been awakened and who are immature like little boys. When one does not have self-control, wisdom, etc., he uses flowers in worship; such worship is futile, even as adoring the self in an external form is futile. However, these immature devotees derive satisfaction by worshipping an object created by themselves; they may even earn worthless rewards from such worship."
  7. VASISTHA SAID: "Pray tell me how this world is transmuted into pure consciousness (Brahman) and also how that pure consciousness appears as this material world and embodied soul (jiva)." SIVA SAID: "Indeed only that cid-akasa (the infinite consciousness), which alone exists even after the cosmic dissolution, exists even now, utterly devoid of objectivity. The concepts and the notions that are illumined by the consciousness within itself shine as this creation, on account of the movement of energy within consciousness, precisely as dreams arise during sleep. Otherwise, it is totally impossible for an object of preception to exist outside of the omnipresent infinite consciousness. All these mountains, the whole world, the firmament, the self, the jiva or the individuality (ego) and all the elements of which this world is constituted - all these are naught but pure consciousness. Before the so-called creation when only this pure consciousness existed, where were all these (heaven, etc.)? Space (akasa), supreme or infinite consciousness - are mere words and they indicate the same truth even as synonyms do. Even as the duality experienced in dream is illusory, the duality implied in this creation of the world is also illusory. Even as the objects seem to exist and function in the inner world of consciousness in a dream, objects seem to exist and function in the other world of consciousness during the wakeful state. Nothing really happens in both these states. Even as consciousness alone is the reality in the dream state, consciousness alone is the substance of the wakeful state too. That is the Lord, that is the supreme truth, that you are, that I am and that is all."
  8. VASISTHA SAID: "... Pray enlighten me. What is the method of worshipping the Lord which destroys all sins and promotes all auspiciousness?" SIVA SAID: "Do you know who 'god' is? God is not Visnu, Siva or Brahma (or christ or allah etc etc); not the wind, the sun or the moon; not the priest (brahmana) or the king; not I nor you; not ego or the mind. God is without form and undivided; that splendour which is not made and which has neither beginning nor end is known as god or lord Siva which is pure consciousness. That alone is to be worshipped; and that alone is all. If one is unable to worship this Siva then he is encouraged to worship the form. The latter yields finite results but the former bestows infinite bliss. He who ignores the infinite and is devoted to the finite abandons a diamond and seeks a peanut. However, the realized sages sometimes worship a form playfully. Now for the articles used in the worship: wisdom, self-control and the perception of the self in all beings are the foremost among those articles. The self alone is lord Siva who is fit to be worshipped at all times with the flowers of wisdom."
  9. I was curious to see what kind of answers I would recieve... And Ravi, truly I am ageless, birthless, deathless, ever existing... you do know that don't you? -edit- Vasistha?
  10. THE HOLY SAGE VASISTHA SAID: "After having remained in samadhi for one hundred years, I returned to body-consciousness and heard a sigh. I listened to it and tired to guess what it might be. I was far, far in outer space so how could any person or even a bee exist so near me there? Moreover, I could not see anyone. I decided to investigate it further. I decided to enter into samadhi again. I silenced the mind and the sense. I merged in the infinite consciousness (God). I saw reflected in that consciousness the image of countless universes. I was able to go anywhere and to see everything. I saw countless creations though they did not know of one another's existence. Some were coming into being, others were perishing, all of them had different shielding atmospheres (from 5 to 36 atmospheres). There were different elements in each; they were inhabited by different types of beings in different stages of evolution with different natures and cultures; some had other universes within them; in some there were creatures you would not believe possible to exist; in some there was apparent natural order and in others there was utter disorder; in some there was no light and hence no time-sense. All these are but the fruits of the one indivisible infinite consciousness. How and when they arose it is impossible to say; but this much is certain – they are creations of ignorance (avidya). In this creation there are gods and demons numerous as mosquitoes. Whether one regards these universes as the creations of the supreme Creator or as false notions, it is certain that they are in fact the infinite consciousness, non-different and not independent of it. They rest like inert realities in the descriptions found in the scriptures. Thus did I behold all these infinite creations.” VASISTHA CONTINUED: “Eventually, my attention was directed to the source of the sound. I saw a woman who was radiant and who illumined all the directions of space. She was highly cultured. She approached me gently and said in a sweet voice: ‘O Sage, you have truly conquered the evils like lust, anger and greed. Your mind is totally free and unattached. Hence I salute you from all sides.’ Now that I knew the source of the source, I decided to move on, considering that I had nothing to do with this woman.” – (don’t you wish he chilled and talked w/ her? I do..) “Then I saw many universes and their diversity aroused my curiosity. I wanted to roam more and more to see the magnitude of creation. After sometime I abandoned this idea knowing that it was delusion and remained established in the infinite consciousness – (i.e. entered samadhi). Instantly, all this perception of diversity vanished from my sight. There was the pure consciousness, nothing else. This is the truth, all else is imagination, notion, delusion or illusory perception.” “Because the entire creation is enveloped by ignorance or delusion, the inhabitants of one creation or one universe do not know of the existence of others. These diverse worlds are unaware of the notions or creations of others, even as people sleeping in the same room are unaware of the battle cries uttered by one another in their dreams. In these universes I saw thousands of Brahmas, Visnus and Shivas. All these are in the consciousness, all these are consciousness and consciousness alone is all this: hence as consciousness I saw all this.” “When you look at something and say, ‘it is such and such’, consciousness shines there as such and such, though in truth this consciousness alone exists as itself and no such name and form exist there. This plane of consciousness alone exists everywhere at all times: and that itself is called the world. The perception of objects here (which we call knowledge of that object) is the only ignorance or delusion. I saw that the truth, on the other hand, is that the space or plane of consciousness alone exists. With the enlightened intelligence I also experienced the final truth concerning all this – that all this is pure, indivisible, infinite consciousness. On account of the persistence of the perception of diversity, I saw in it countless Vasisthas, countless ages and world-cycles and many ages in which Rama flourished. When there is perception of diversity all these arise; when there is realization of truth, all these are seen to be pure, indivisible, infinite consciousness. In the infinite, of course, there is no name and no form which could be referred to as ‘This is the world or creation’. Brahman alone exists as Brahman.” VASISTHA CONTINUED: “Brahman is one and all these are appearance which the light of Brahman makes manifest without intending to do so. On account of this there arises great diversity of experience. For instance, in some universes moonlight is hot and sunlight cool, there is sight in darkness and blindness is daylight, good is destructive and evil constructive, poison promotes health and nectar kills, n accordance with the notions that arises in consciousness. In some universes there are no woman and therefore no sexuality and in others people have pitiless hearts. In some universes people do not possess one or more of the sense. In some, only one or two (of the 5) elements exist, though they, too, are inhabited by living creatures adapted to suit local conditions.” “All these arise as consciousness in consciousness through consciousness; and this is known as the mind.” (the arising is known as the mind)
  11. Thank you Ravi, for your answers. They were very nice. "(is Sadartha your real name?)" -no, Sadartha is the name my dear Guruji gave me some time ago. And may I ask, how old are you?
  12. I have heard a lot about self-realization. but what is the "Self" in 'Self-realization'? Thank You Om Namah Shivaya
  13. I have heard a lot about self-realization. but what is the "Self" in 'Self-realization'? Thank You Om Namah Shivaya
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