sundarananda

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASWATI KNEW HIS SIDDHA DEHA FIRST OF ALL. AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT ALL OTHERS DO NOT KNOW THIS? YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL, BUT YOU ARE ONLY MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF. "What is VERY WRONG is that a junior (madhyam or kanistha) Vaishnava who is not a siddha and who has become a guru will go and tell a disciple "you are such-and-such manjari", when in fact that (madhyam or kanistha) Vaishnava acting as a Guru has no REAL PERCEPTION of his disciple's siddha-deha. This sort of inauthentic "tradition" has been going on for three hundred years now; however it is a fact that it is not real Gaudiya Vaishnavism."

Well, who has ever said that the siddha deha is given in the first place? It is you who says that there gurus giving siddha deha. If you ever read Thakur Bhaktivinode´s books you would have a clue.

Muralidhar das, Stop claiming you know that people you don´t even know (!) have no realization. It is really very stupid. Besides, would you agree on the point that it is better to think about serving Radha Krishna as a gopi/manjari than to sit around and watch cricket/football matches on tv as some gurus do nowadays? Desiring to serve Radha Krishna has become a sin in your opinion.

Bhaktisiddhanta went against the whole Gaudiya Vaishnava tradition by ignoring guru parampara and siddha pranali. The former is essential, in all sampradayas, and the latter has been a part of the GV religion since the very beginning. The only reason people criticise it is that they haven´t understood what siddha pranali really is. A little knowledge can be more dangerous than none. It doesn´t take a genius to understand that Bhaktisiddhanta isn´t a traditional Gaudiya Vaishnava, with all that includes. It would give a more intelligent impression if the followers of that Sarasvata path acknowledged that it is a form of neo-Gaudiyaism instead of imagining themselves to be preservers of the original faith.

Muralidhar das, Are you aware of the paddhati of Gopal Guru Goswami? If you are, why are you using the expression "guru-given siddha deha"? Even your own guru, Bhaktivinod Thakur, gave siddha pranali to his disciples, and he received it from his diksha guru! If you or your gurus don´t accept it, fine. But it is not so clever to criticise it and at the same time praise people who practised it. It is not reasonable at all.

For the person who is sincerely surrendered to Sri Krishna there is no question of falling down. The Guru can not be anything less than a fully surrendered soul