Tatian

Jesus was at the right hand of the Father in the beginning, as the word. John 1:1-4. He is the creator Spirit. He was incarnate and gained the fullness of humanity in Mary. But not a sinful nature. In the wilderness He was tested spirit, soul and body. Early in the Gospel. God cannot be tested. Phil 2:5-11. Jesus was equal with God. And God never changes, "He is the same yesterday, today and forever", from Hebrews. Sometimes he is pleased, sometimes angry, like a moving joint, different positions but the same. Manifest in the flesh He was fully God with full humanity. His divine qualities not drawn apon as if asleep. He was somehow separated from His Father on the cross, where He was cursed with all mankinds sin, Himself becoming sin and so His Father in Heaven would not look apon Him and the skies became dark. This was the most painful part of Jesus life experience. Worse than the Roman barbarity of many hours. To be in Hell away from His Father hurt! His heal was bruised permanently as from Genesis 3:15. Yes Satan has power! If you want the salvation Jesus offers, you must believe in Him for all He is or you will not be made right or just, through that faith. Jesus returned to the Father being called from death having defeated it and having destroyed sin. To sit at God's right hand means on an equal plane. Adam was more than a servant. We are above angels. Jesus is equal to His Father having, 'never changed', and his divinity sort of awakened with His glorification. Even His wounds are glorious. All call Him Lord but for the Father and Spirit. Augustine, a great great Christain teacher said that the Father and Spirit together are not greater than the Son. Or similar words Brother, if you want Jesus' salvation, you must believe in Him for all He is! Jesus had to be powerfully natured and work much for salvation to be complete. May the angels bless you much and again. "Jesus" is short for "Yahweh is Salvation". He is Yahweh.

"He told them all to stay put and not preach His message until they were empowered by the Holy Spirit, an indication that until that time, they were not qualified to act on His behalf." Poster Krsna. There was authority in the Jews from of old. Even John the Baptist's father was chosen by lots, traditionally, to work in the temple the day the angel visited to prepare for a blessed child. And it was. Peter was told to wait, yes and was also at that time reinstated. He had authority to cast out spirits, as one under and carrying Christ's authority. The replacement apostle needed to be ready for Pentecost. Mark was Peter's writer, Matthew drew on Mark and Luke on them. And Luke wrote the Acts. Witnessing Pentecost and the baptisms. That Matthew was chosen. "After thus reminding them of their duties in regard to His mission, He left them. A certain realization hit them that His mission and His actual physical presence were the same. (Acts 1:11)" Poster Krsna. Krsna, I do not see your point mate. "The election process has never been a valid indicator of who is representative of the Will of the Supreme Lord. Such empowerment comes from Him ALONE, and is never left to the decisions of men, especially those who fail to carry out His order. When Pentecost finally arrived, the empowerment was in the form of the ability to speak in terms understood by the masses. Some nonsense interpreters of this phenomenon imitate false empowerment by a pretense called "speaking in tongues", uttering gibberish in an attempt to mislead the foolish. Actual Pentecostal empowerment means one is empowered by the Supreme Lord to speak with such authority that understanding of the message and change of heart naturally takes place, yet many give credence to the pretender christian sahajiya because the make undecipherable noises." Poster Krsna. Peter spoke in men's tongues. Believer's here in Sydney were understood to be speaking a message in Hebrew once. Anyhow, Paul mentions even speaking in the language of angels in 1Cor 13. This is personal, and not for others, or to mislead foolish people. Paul also says that tongues gives no meaning, despite clear words, and messages should be spoken which we can understand and I have heard some such messages. "So, instead of having, as a basis, the simple commandment of Loving the Supreme Father with whole mind, heart body and soul, and loving His children as one's self, christianity has come to require one to pass muster and be similarly elected, to supercede His instructions and place one's confidence in the congregation (especially the leaders), over and above the Will of the Supreme Lord." Poster Krsna. You can protest to this. "In the story of Ananias (Acts 5:1), such coersion is evident. Though Lord Jesus Christ gave clear instructions concerning giving in LOVING service, Simon Peter contradicts by demanding giving without love, forced servitude. He also places leaders of the organization on the same level of Lord Jesus Christ and His Supreme Father, elected, appointed, without tolerance to some who may have actual empowerment (i.e. Mary of Magdalia). Thus, the roots of christianity are stained by such fanaticism, opposed to the loving service to the Supreme Father as espoused by the founder, Lord Jesus Christ." Poster Krsna. Annanias passed away by God sadly, because he lied to the Holy Spirit. If he had said "here's some" or "I am keeping it for my enjoyment" and was honest, he'd have lived perhaps seventy years. Mary and Peter were friends as from Jesus. Mary prayed for Peter to come out of prison succesfully. They were happy to hear him at the door. "Are these points indicative of apostasy in the hearts of these direct disciples of Lord Jesus Christ? Not necessarily, yet they show that apostles that supercede the levels of their empowerment by the Lord to be His representative can be not only contradictory, but actually misrepresentative, and very dangerous to spiritual life. When one falsely perceives oneself to represent the Lord without actual empowerment by the Lord Himself, one only usurps, arrogantly, the position of the Lord and acts as false god." Poster Krsna. Peter was empowered, in the three years of knowing Jesus and then by the Spirit at Pentecost who stayed with Peter. Peter did not kill Annanias but Peter obeyed and spoke and acted as authorised and the Holy Spirit dealt with Annanias. As for "elections"... you can protest. Luther began a protest to the "loss of truth". Pentecostals press for truth and grace.

Did any of the forms of Sri Krishna appear in history?

We cannot change oursleves. We need both God's word and Presence. We need Him in our hearts. Even in the "core" as you say. We need the creator's recreation, in His love and wisdom... He is the answer. The Answer in Himself, by His Spirit. Knowledge will help but not save. To know His teachings is not enough. His teaching is empowered to be taken in faith and obeyed by the power of His Spirit. Philippians 2:12 "So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;" Phi 2:13 "for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure." We needed Jesus to take the sins into Himself and destroy it's power before we could have that power taken out of us for that change which means it doesn't happen again and which means the conscience can be well cleared. No one can boast, "I did it myself, I worked hard"... God calls us, then we respond, and ask Him for blessings, changes... He does it. It spiritual not of works. Good works come later. We must ask Him to fill our hearts with His Spirit, drink living water to heart, He gives life to dead hearts. Green hearts, alive with living water work. We are made to be dependant, not independant. Independance is the sin of Lucifer, later given to Adam. Nice picture, what does it mean?

If a nice young father awaits his son and daughter returning home from school but they don't come it matters to him. If they were raped and killed and dumped in the jungle then he being loving and just canot over look this and is angry. If he overlooks it, this is corruption. Few would not care if any. He is angry, he wants revenge. And the good side of his natural sense of justice is for imprisonment, to protect other families. He is just and outraged as well. Jesus sacrifice takes up the sin to cleanse the heart of the person of much evil. And to prevent further evil, when the wrongdoer accepts Jesus life poured into his foul heart, it changes. Jesus bridges the gap between God and sinful man, even though we don't deserve it. He wants forgiveness.

Psalm 51 mentions purification with Hyssop, meaning now the application of Jesus life to a person. Words are one thing. But they must be anointed with the Spirit to have the power, from Jesus the anointed one, ever clean. Living water can cleanse, repentance with a blessing. Jesus life poured out for us. Various forms of God's presence can change ours. It is right to be humble and to want change.

The disciples were cleansed by hearing Truth, justice and mercy from a source which was always pure. When their thoughts of there hearts changed by the clean words they were clean of thought. By hearing and OBEYING. By change.

My apologies to vegans, I didn't know about this. I had seen blood being applied to the horns of a bulls in India. Justice reagarding wrong doing does need to penalise and deal with it. Injustice won't go undone... There must be a dealing. Naughty children are rebuked. Criminals are sentenced... Justice is part of a good nature, much better than bad scales and injustice. Who wants to be treated unfairly and deceived? Think of how precious people are and how a murderer or a rapist should be treated. Imprisonment protects us from them but they deserve pains. Justice stirs up anger toward them. It is human. It is Godly to be angry sometimes.

My last post was Origins in which I was named 'guest'. In the Hebrew practice there are scape goats and sacrificial lambs. That is of old. For a year the lamb would take the place of a wrongdoer. So a perfect lamb with no defect would take the place of the man or woman. The priest would lay hands on it's head to transfer the sins of that year into the lamb which would be slaughtered in his place. A just God requires a sacrifice for injustice or sin and their is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. Jesus must be understood to have allowed Himself to be taken by Israel's and Rome's authorities yet He did not ask to die but instead asked His Father if it could be done some other way. He shed tears of blood, scientificaly verifable action, anticipating the event. But now your wrongdoings or injustices or sins, have been paid for, that His blood, that of the highest reality, can wash away your sins for all time, from anytime in your life. He took our sins in Himself and paid the price. For you. We live in a world now cursed after the fall of Adam. Unclean spirits, keen on deceiving us roam about and are organised and highly intelligent. They cause mulitple personality disorder, cancer, birth marks, dreams and visions... Some are known as "familiar Spirits" which expertly follow families and individuals, appearing as their spirits after they die... So I would attribute birth marks and memories to the spirits. Not to reincarnation. Also there would have to be a power which would reincarnate someone, equally as powerfull as the initial creator. Also since when does a modern university officially acknowledge the existence of the human spirit? If so why not the unclean spirits and God too. Jealous spirits want to distract us from a just and loving, giving and rich God. Sin is a real but less real than Jesus blood sin is part of creation dependant on us not God. We can by His blood, the perfect lamb of God who never sinned, have cleansing and perfect justice infused into our beings. We can have a clear conscience. Friendship with a just God.

God sets us in places in order for us to reach out to Him who is not far from each one of us. We are created and there is no basis to think that there will be a reincarnation. No use... What happens to the memories...? No other god has such a powerful message as Jesus. The God who became the perfect high priest, taking on flesh and the fullness of humanity, entering history and paying the price for sin and dying to engage and defeat the spirit of death. Inso He knows our suffering and weakness. He was also the perfect Truth, expressing God to man perfectly and is a clear Way to his Father, taking the sin away from between us. Lovingly wanting us to have eternal life. He is Life itself. He poured out His life that we can have life, love friendship and warmth and healing from sin and disease. Life and no more death. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. The Resurrection and the Life.

In Australia we are all briefed on Hare Krishnas by there followers in there eccentric dances and clothing... I thought Krishna was a man of some years back who devised a philosophy as did Budha. Later I'll check your web page. Who and what is Krishna, a spirit with some nature, does it change...? I never heard any of my Pentecostal fellows mention Krishna. I don't mean to be impolite, don't get me wrong. Kali, what do you think of this god? Not benevolent, Krishna is benevolent right? Kali resembles the more, Lucifer, the fallen servant angel. Now the god of this world by Adam's fall. Garnesh clearly looks to me to be mythological. With a point of origin in an imagination. Do you think he exists and is a Way to God? Surely not Kali?

To be friends with God is important. In Genesis God's name is Elohim. Later in Exodus it is YHWH or I AM WHO I AM. This is the God above time with no point of origin. Other gods have no entry into history or they were born and had a point of origin in time. It this true regarding the character called Krisna?

In Genesis Adam who would never die is told, surely the day if you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will die. He does eat it but lives another 900 years. Life is spiritual first. Life is to be friends with God. Response and as a friend in love, not hate. How can two walk together unless they are in agreement? A sin gets in between. Adam lost his friendship with God and hid in shame. Adam was the prince of this world, then Satan aquired this from him and we lost our inheritance. All die. Satan fathered Adam. Death is the most powerful of the evil spirits and is a legalist having needed Adam to make a decision to enter. Death can break marriage bonds as in the above post. Friendship with God is love and justice and mercy... Jesus in our place engaged death on the cross and paid for sins or injustice, unlove and hate... Jesus rose again showing death was defeated, resurrection. In Him is the power to give life and eternal life at that. Jesus gives repentance from sins and remits them and makes a way for friendship with God to be restored, in Himself. His death gives life, an exchange. By that work we can have sin taken away, love, justice, friendship and many things lost restored. Including walking as friends with God, Elohim. Jesus also sent the Holy Spirit, Creator Spirit to be an advocate, friend, guard, guide... the Divine Paraclete. All will be raised to eternal life of two sorts. The bodies will be raised. Paul mentions the body alone has a history. For the spirits and souls will be taken up into the presence of I AM WHO I AM. The source of time and matter and space... Into the ever present. The bodies will be raised glorious of these in Heaven. Excellent in love, morals, justice mercy... Friends of God. Alive, spirit, soul and body.

It is important to persuade thus to reason rather than push unless it is a younger man you know. You can accidentally awaken some rebellion. Talk about being constructive and not harming anyone frankly perhaps. Talk about consequences. And missing out on pleasures for conscience and for someone else to be well...