sri jaya theertha

It has become the habit of a few people in this forum to abuse Adi Shankara.

 

Sri Shankara's philosophy drove Buddhism out of India. Although I cannot agree with his philosophy, I can only respect his knowlege and renunciation. Lines from his works are quoted by everyone, even Vaishnava Archaryas ( Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, for one ). Plus he is avatar of Lord Shiva, be careful!!

Hi friends

It is to make clear about our hindusm ( prachina vaidika sampradaya) there many people came and called them self as acharyas ,in fact every one came as acharya did the same mistake, misinterpreting holly vedas , starting from sankaracharya... after that only in 12th century, jagad guru srimad anada theertha bagavad paadacharya( sri MADHWACHARYA) came to provide real kowledge about the holly scriptures ,i am not telling just like that he is the incornation of mukhya praan vaayu its mentioned in veda its self that in rig veda pavamana mandala as vaayu deva and is the guru for whole universe(thrilokyacharya) and will lead all devagana and other jeevathmas to paramathama(lord vishnu)in their moksha,there jeevathmas will feel the eternal bliss ( swroopananda) ,because it is mentioned his name also there that is "madhwa"

The key point to be noted and remembered is that Acharya Madhva did not discover or invent anything new. All the major concepts enunciated by him were part of the timeless, eternal vedic religion (sanAtana dharma). He brought back these forgotten concepts into the conciousness of humanity, providing appropriate references. The school of philosophy associated with him has different names. Its ancient name is tattvavAda, but it is more popularly known as Dvaita (the dualistic school).

There is a very popular verse, attributed to Sri VyAsa tIrtha, which captures some of the highlights of the Acharya Madhva’s philosophy:

shrIman Madhva Mate harih paratarah

Satyam Jagat

Tattvato bhedah

jeeva ganaah hareh anucharAh,

nichochha bhavam gatAh

Muktih Naija sukhAnubhUti

amalA bhaktishcha tat saadhanam

Haixyaadi tritayam pramaanam

akhilam Amnaayaika vedyo harih

A loose translation of the above would be:

ViShNu is the supreme God,

The world is real,

The five-fold difference between God, living and non-living beings is an eternal fact,

All living beings are dependent upon Hari for their existence

There is a hierarchy amongst living beings, that is eternal (without beginning or end)

Salvation lies in the soul experiencing its intrinsic joy,

Salvation can be attained only through pure and unsullied devotion of God means of knowledge are sensory perception, inference and holy scriptures

Hari is to be perceived in His nature through the holy scriptures and only through them.

In addition to the above points, Acharya made several important contributions to Indian Philosophy. Some of these are:

Bimba-pratibimba: God is the object (bimba) and jIvas are His images (pratibimbas)·

The kannada&deshastas are just followers of madhwa philosophy but not actually madhwa.The original madhwas are udipi shivalli.There is a huge difference between udipi shivalli madhwas and these kannada&deshasta madhwas.[/QUOT

 

 

oooh give me break ,

 

i would like tell some thing about the issue that you have been raised, that is , only 8 mutts which are in udupi thos only madhva mutts, for your kind information earlier it was not 8 mutts(pejawar ,adamaru ,palimaru…) jagad guru sriman madhwacharya has only selected 8 children and blessed them with sanyasa and accepted them as shishyas,did give all shastrabhyasa finally gave the in charge of sri krishna pooja at udupi.. later in 15 century vaadiraja theertha mahaswamigalu made some changes,and as result of that great work of raajaru we are now seeing 8 mutts having their own shishyas and assets, but its not so in case of moola parampara what we see,its actually maha peeta of our madhwacharya and straight a way acharyaru handed over all the moola prathimas and his own peetha to his sincere student padma nabha theertharu which was came to him in the ssath parampara of lord paramathma (hamsa namaka)

1.hamsanamaka paramathma-2.brahma devaru–3.sanaka theertharu- 4.sanadana theertharu –5.sanathkumara theertharu–6. ssanathana theertharu –…….16.SRIMAD ANANDA THEERTHARU(ACHARYA MADHWA)–17.padmanaabha theertharu–18.narahari theertharu–19.madhava theertharu–20.akshobya theertharu–21. srimad jaya theertharu (teekacharyaru)–22.vidyadi raaja theertharu–

after that it divided into 3 main samsathans they are sri utharadi mutt, sri vyasaraja mutt, and sri raghavrendra swamy mutt —these are actually moola madhwa parampara and followers of these mutts are madhwas but as mater of fact all who follow madhwa siddanth are madhwas too,but with some difference in sampradayas. one more thing that i would like to shareis the yakshagana kale what we see in south canera was actually brought by our narahari theertharu from orrisa sate, he was raja guru there in his poorvashrama.

If we see the deeksha of hardcore madhwasm ( aachara, madi etc..)that is what lacking in most of the people who belong to thulu madhwa people, here are some examples of udupi people who are residing in places other than udupi

1)90% of the people who do not perform fasting in ekadashi, which is primary thing in vaishanavasm

2)most of the people who are lowkikas (non vaidika) who do not follow any of the acharne what madhwacharyaru has insisted us, entering every where with out removing modern dresses.

3) not having angara akshta on their fore head

4)most of the thulu madhwas do not want respect other non thulu speaking madhwa even though , who may be very much knowing shasthras (panditha or vaidika) what these thulu people want is money becase any sincere madhwa brahmin who does not know thulu they will not respond him correctly at the same time any other manglorian or thulu person comes they will give very much respect them though he is not even a brahmin .

5)they are very much concerned about money in every aspect,as if a manglorian businessmen(shetty) of manglore,

there fore without following any thing of madhwa sidhantha how you people argue that we are only madhwas

i am not talking about people who are actually residing in udupi till this day and also not to any ather who is doing all those things, that is why i mentioned every where it does not apply every thulu people, sorry i am not against the thulu people it is the mere experience of all the other madhwas here in big cities like banglore mysore hubli dharvad and lots of other places. but we people welcome the thulu peoplewith open mind, but they will not please forgive me, if i am not correct, think over it. please..

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hare srinivasa..

Hi friends

It is to make clear about our hindusm ( prachina vaidika sampradaya) there many people came and called them self as acharyas ,in fact every one came as acharya did the same mistake, misinterpreting holly vedas , starting from sankaracharya... after that jagad guru srimad anada theertha bagavad paadacharya( sri MADHWACHARYA) came to provide real kowledge about the holly scriptures ,i am not telling just like that he is the incornation of mukhya praan vaayu its mentioned in veda its self that in rig veda pavamana mandala vaaya deva is the guru for whole universe(thrilokyacharya) and will lead all devagana and other jeevathmas to paramathama(lord vishnu)in their moksha,there jeevathmas will feel the eternal bliss ( swroopananda) ,because it is mentioned his name also there that is "madhwa"

The key point to be noted and remembered is that Acharya Madhva did not discover or invent anything new. All the major concepts enunciated by him were part of the timeless, eternal vedic religion (sanAtana dharma). He brought back these forgotten concepts into the conciousness of humanity, providing appropriate references. The school of philosophy associated with him has different names. Its ancient name is tattvavAda, but it is more popularly known as Dvaita (the dualistic school).

There is a very popular verse, attributed to Sri VyAsa tIrtha, which captures some of the highlights of the Acharya Madhva’s philosophy:

shrIman Madhva Mate harih paratarah

Satyam Jagat

Tattvato bhedah

jeeva ganaah hareh anucharAh,

nichochha bhavam gatAh

Muktih Naija sukhAnubhUti

amalA bhaktishcha tat saadhanam

Haixyaadi tritayam pramaanam

akhilam Amnaayaika vedyo harih

A loose translation of the above would be:

ViShNu is the supreme God,

The world is real,

The five-fold difference between God, living and non-living beings is an eternal fact,

All living beings are dependent upon Hari for their existence

There is a hierarchy amongst living beings, that is eternal (without beginning or end)

Salvation lies in the soul experiencing its intrinsic joy,

Salvation can be attained only through pure and unsullied devotion of God means of knowledge are sensory perception, inference and holy scriptures

Hari is to be perceived in His nature through the holy scriptures and only through them.

In addition to the above points, Acharya made several important contributions to Indian Philosophy. Some of these are:

Bimba-pratibimba: God is the object (bimba) and jIvas are His images (pratibimbas)·

Sarva-shabda vAchatva: every word, every sound is God’s name.

Jeeva traividya: three-fold classification of jIvas into Satvika (fit for liberation), Nitya-samsAri (happiness mixed with sorrow), tAmasika (fit for eternal damnation)

Vishesha: A special characteristic that acts as a distinguishing feature where there is innately no difference.

The concept of “Sakshi” and its importance.

Treating all the Hindu scriptures as an integral entity, unlike others who treat differentiate and discriminate between different portions of scriptures. He showed how seemingly conflicting passages from different scriptures should be interpreted to yield one coherent message.

Providing a spiritual and philosophical interpretation of the Rig Veda. As an example, he interpreted forty sUktas to show how it should be done. WHO EVER THE DEVOTEES OF RAGHAVENDRA THEERTHA GURAGALU has nothing to worry because raghavendra swamy ji , is himself is follower of madhwacharya hence he will take all of us in right way to reach LORD NAARAYANA (pramathma)

To saraba iyer,

saraba ji as our dharma shastra says that we should give respect to pandiths , that is one who practice vedas ( that too you have mentioned that you are a student of rig veda swashkadhyayi) therefore i do respect you ,but with out next thought i would condemn your statement on lord vishnu, because as true vaishnava its duty of me to defend parmathma...

firstly i would like to inform you one thing , in the whole universe no one can say i have studied vedas completely , except paramathma , lakshmi devi and vaayu devaru, rest of the devathas are not fully aware of vedas, so should say only a im studying vedas.

comming back to your point in kaliyuga aadi shaapa given by the maha muni gouthama people were suffering by ajnana in that time lord vedavyasa came and divided vedas into four and wrote 18 puranas, baghavatha ,mahabharatha and also blessed by stating brahma suthra on the entire vedas as we know he is the avthara of lord narayana him self(vyasaya vishnu roopaya vyasa roopaya vishnave ) because he only knows the whole vedas, others could do nothing,

thirdly you talked about misinterpretation of vedas , i tell you it was shankaracharya who did that thing at first later all the other acharyas came and did the same thing because of ajnana not having the right knowledge and some of them did intentionally as well , i do not want take their names, later jagad guru thrilokyacharya sri mad ananda theertha baghavadpaadacharya ,popularly known as madhwacharya , he is avathara of vaaya devaru as mukhya prana avathara in thretha yuga , did seva of lord sri raam , secondly as a bheema sena and served lord sri krishna and in kaliyuga he took avarthara of sri man madhwachharya and served lord vedavyasa ( refer madhwa vijaya for details ).

I am pained to see people are misrepresenting Veda.

I have posted this material before; else where I will agai post it with the hope to clear the muisconception of “Vedic Gods”.

I belong to the family of Hotr priests of Rg Veda. My father and my elder breather are Hotr priests. I am trained in Rg Veda in the traditional style of reciting entire Rg Veda. I know each and every line of Rg Veda by heart. I am also trained in the Bhashya – traditional interpretation - of the Vedas. Though I am trained to be competent to become a Hotr priest, I did not become a priest. My elder brother became a Hotr priest. (I am introducing myself to make a point I know what I am talking about. i dont talk things which I am not sure of. )

In Vedic system, Hotr priest is the priest of Rg Veda and the only one qualified to invoke devas as only Rg mantras are meant for invoking devatas. . Yajur Vedic mantras are meant for giving offerings to the devas invoked by Rg Veda and Sama Veda mantras are meant for singing the praise of the gods invoked by Rg veda mantras. Thus as to the matter of gods are concerned, Rig Veda is the complete and final authority, since other Vedas perform a supplementary role to Rg Veda. No other gods that is not mentioned in Rg Veda could be invoked.

There are only thirty three gods in rig Veda. There cannot be more because the number 33 is sacrosanct and has a tight logic. Divinities in Vedic system have esoteric connotation to the consonants of the Sanskrit alphabets. Gods are those letters. And there are only 33 consonants in Vedic Sanskrit. (From ‘Ka’ to ‘Ha’ are 33).

“Te Trayastrimsadakshare Bhavath. Tryastrimsadhuo devah.” – Aitreya brahmana (1, 10)

This tight association between devas and letters makes the gods limited to 33 and there cannot any more. Hence any additional gods mentioned in other later Vedas or Puranas (there are 33crores of gods in puranas) are to be understood as names or aspects of the original 33. If this is not the case those new gods cannot be technically invoked, from Vedic point of view. Hence there are only 33 gods in Vedas.

And Who are these 33 Vedic Gods ? Asta Vasu (8), Ekladasa Rudra (11), Duadasa Aditya (12). Prajapati , Vasad or sometime Indra. And their names are given below.

Eight Vasus: Agni, Jadaveda, Sahoja, Ajara, Vaisvanara, Naryapa, Panktiradha and Visarpi.

Leven Rudras: Prabhrajamana, Vyavadata, Vasuki, Rajata, Parusha, Syama, Kapila, Atilohita, Urdhva, Avapatanta And Vaidyuta.

The twelve Sun gods: Twastr, Savitr, Bhaga, Surya, Pushan, Vishnu, Vaisvanara, Varuna, Kesi, Vrshakapi, Yama, Aja-Ekapat.

These are the Vedic gods. Note that Vishnu is just one of the names of Sun god in Vedic system. Most of our present modern day Hindu gods are not at all Vedic. We have denigrated many of these Vedic gods and promoted new gods. What is atrocious is that peple justify their very non-Vedic gods as Original Vedic gods.

As a Hindu, I have no problem in recognizing these new gods and even worshipping them. But what Pains me is the ignorant and even purposeful distortion of the Vedic religion to justify the new entities and practices. There is no need to argue that Vishnu is a Vedic god. Nothing is lost if Vaishnavas Accept that Vishnu is of Puranic origin. Is Behaved Geeta not is good enough? Why bring in Veda for support of a new religion?

I hope people will stop talking about Vedas, with out a first hand study of it and use it incorrectly for supporting their wrong views. I have seen it repetedly in this Aurarya discussion groups, at many occasions in different places.I am writing this not with any animosity with Vaishnava religion or any other ( Puranic or modern) Hindu religious faction for that matter. It pains to see that Veda is not represented properly and is misused by Hindus themselves. I request humbly that care should be taken to represent Vedic System accurately and truthfully.

Saraba Iyar

hi,

firstly i would like to tell u one thing, do not take any thing like that , that too it is a question of adyathma ,as our supreme guru sri mad ananda theertha bgavad paadacharya (sri madhwacharya) that we should follow one right path that will lead us to god quoting the shruthi " naanya pantha ayanaya vidyathe" so be clear what you are following and accepted as guru... hare srinivasa...jai raghavendra theertha swamy ji ki..

to tenali,

firstly i would like 2 tell u one thing ,sri raghavendra thirtha gurugalu r not an ordinary saint ,in fact he is( because he is still alive in brindavanam) incarnation of one of d karmaja devathe ,his avtharas r prahallada, bahlika, and vyasa theeratha , he came as raghavendra guru 2 help people who r strugeling 2 get jnana , so mainly he gives us jnana and harabhakthi(because its d only way 2 get moksha) if we asks , but these days people r much interested in lowkika suka boghas ,so what he does, first he gives us what ever we asks, 2 live comfortable life ( but he wont full fill any bad apeksha) then slowly he gives usjnana hari n bhakthi in hari vaayu 2 attain moksha, just like a mother who can able 2 give medicine 2 her child by mixing it with sweet r something,since if she would showed that at first the child would not have taken it . its pure karunya of our guru galu , other non madhva gurus r famous offering basma and all, that will not help u to get moksha , now u do not ask me that i don not know the word moksha( if not know the real meaning at least u might have heard the word) , as u r already told that u r a hindu too........ bye.