SaRup

Dear Devotees, What part of the Padma Purana does the Damodarastakam belong to? Is it of the original section or is it a newly added section? ys sr

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Namaste Could somebody please translate and transliterate these two verses. kripaya kAmaM naitatprasha.nsanti santaH svabalasa.nstavam . guNasa~NkIrtana.n chApi svayameva shatakrato .. 2..\\ shravaNAttasya tIrthasya nAma sa~NkIrtanAdapi . mR^ittikA lambhanAdvApi naraH pApAtpramuchyate .. 75..\\ umm

Shashi2, As I remember it – (cannot be sure though) Jiva in his Sandarbhas mentions that when the jiva is in the susupti state (or the state of dreamless sleep) the jiva is closest to the paramatma. I have my own theory about macro-micro correlation between Snakara’s nirguna-brahman and saguna-brahma and what Jiva as with Ramanuja express of susupti It is interesting to note that if Shankara’s ‘nirguna-brahman and saguna-brahman” are viewed as macro perspective of susupti (nirguna-brahman) and maya or the active principle as (saguna-brahman) then the susupti in dualists, such as Jiva and Ramanuja are saying a similar thing except on a micro level. Of course as we both know each ontological position is different, but the similarity is found in the theoretical structure of each presentation. The view that Shankara’s nirguna-brahman is a macro form of the susupti found in “Ramanuja (that is the Hypothesis). I.E. In Ramanuja susupti is of the jiva. For Shankara susupti is all existence. We could try extending this theory further to the notion of the creation principle. We could ask what of the yoga-nidra of Mahavishnu and what of the state of pradhan? Is not pradhan not a form of susupti of the material creation? Just a thought [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 02-06-2002).]

Does anybody know where the following verse is from? kalera dharma krsna nama sañkîrtana krsna sakti vina nahe tara pravartana.

Namaste, I am interested to find out where the term "sa.nkiirtana" (sankirtana) first appears in Indian text. I have found references to "sa.nkiirtan" in the Bhagavat Purana (5th ­7th C. CE). Does anybody know of earlier references?

“ ‘Bhakti was born in Draavidha, grew up in Kar.naataka, became worn out in MaharaaS.tra and Gurjera, sought refuge with her two sons Knowledge and Dispassion in Vrindavana, and regained her vigor there… Enough of vows, sacred fords, disciples, sacrifices, discourse about knowledge, faith alone bestows release!(Padma 6.189.51; 190.22)’” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:11).

In this context - how much of this is mukti? How and why does mukti differ from moksa? [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-06-2001).]

Do you mean that the notion that “faith alone bestows release" first arise in the Vedanta Sutras? [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-06-2001).]

Namaste Certainly I agree that "Bhakti was born in Draavidha," in the time of yore. But look at what the "Padma Puraa.na" says. Bhakti did not reach Vrindavan until a later stage. But what is important to ask here is: When did the notion that “faith alone bestows release! (Padma 6. 190.22)” first arise - if not in the Padma (4th C –1000th C CE)? Shvu: “Some also believe Madhva's [13th century] concepts of hell, etc were influenced by the Bible.” Yes I believe it was Basham who promoted that view. Certainly the notion of nitya-badda (spelling??) is unique to Madhva as with his views on distinct dualistic categorical distribution in transcendence (ie a distinct division between the divine and the jiva (his dwaita-vedanta) however, the notion of “hell” pre-dates Christianity and is more a Persian view. Remember the “Christian Creed” does not speak of “Hell” it only speaks of earth and sky sr

Given the above - could it not then be argued that the Padma Puraa.na is influenced by the Christian notion of ‘belief” or “faith” as sufficient for salvation to occur? That is - the belief that “one only needs to have faith in Christ” and one will attain salvation. [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-06-2001).]

Originally posted by Satyaraja on “Faith vs. Literalism” Satyaraj: Yes, the Vedanta (1.1.3) states: sastrayonivat. The Truth is attainable by scriptures. Scriptures should cause vidya (God-knowledge) and not faith, nor religion. There is no guarantee that one would be freed from avidya due faith, or faith being the cause of vidya. As well as there is no mention of any religious practices as the cause of that vidya.

“…Padma Puraa.na points to a southern origin for bhakti, and provides a clue to the geographical location of some Puraa.nic traditions as well” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:11). “ ‘Bhakti was born in Draavidha, grew up in Kar.naataka, became worn out in MaharaaS.tra and Gurjera, sought refuge with her two sons Knowledge and Dispassion in Vrindavana, and regained her vigor there… Enough of vows, sacred fords, disciples, sacrifices, discourse about knowledge, faith alone bestows release!(Padma 6.189.51; 190.22)’” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:11).

“…Padma Puraa.na points to a southern origin for bhakti, and provides a clue to the geographical location of some Puraa.nic traditions as well” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:11). “ ‘Bhakti was born in Draavidha, grew up in Kar.naataka, became worn out in MaharaaS.tra and Gurjera, sought refuge with her two sons Knowledge and Dispassion in Vrindavana, and regained her vigor there… Enough of vows, sacred fords, disciples, sacrifices, discourse about knowledge, faith alone bestows release!(Padma 6.189.51; 190.22)’” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:11).

Thank you Shvu (for the above Ref). Among to large mass of Puraa.nic texts, eighteen have “all-Indian acceptance” and are known as the “Great Puranas”. “Each of these provides a list of all eighteen,” including itself. While most agree there are “minor discrepancies. The result is a list of twenty: Agni Brahmaa Garudha Bhaagavata Brahmaa.ndha Hariva.mza Bhavismy Bramnavaivarta Kuurma Linga Padma Varaaha Maarka.ndheya Skanda Vaayu Matsya Ziva ViS.nu Naarada Vaamana” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:5) The time frame of originality spans a period of approximately 700 years Viz. 300-1000 CE. Initially the Puraa.nas were entitled “Fifth Veda”. However in Hindu Orthodoxy they do not “carry the title of scripture” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:3). “The oldest material in the Puraa.nas is contemporaneous with the Vedas but was recited either in a different milieu than the brahminic ritual or by person other than the Brahmin priests. The alternate milieu would be the source of the sm.rti tradition that gave rise to…both the epic and Puraa.nic collections. Thus the Puraa.nas, which share many stories with the epics, the Mahaabhaarata in particular, do not derive form that epic, but form the same body of oral tradition, or sm.rti, whose original may be as old as the period of the Vedas” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:5-6). Amore precise clue to the dating of the Puraa.nas is found in the genealogical lists that are offered in a number of Puraa.nas, the dynasties of kings. While frustratingly incomplete, Puraa.nic genealogies appear to provide indication of two different eras in which these old stories were collected and edited: about 1000BC, the time after the Mahaabhaarata war; and about the 4th – 6th centuries AD, the period of the Gupta Dynasty. In both eras political events were particularly significant in the formation of social consciousness for the early inhabitant of northern India” (Demmitt & van Buitenen 1978:6) Bibliography Classical Hindu mythology : a reader in the Sanskrit PurÄnÌ£as / edited and translated by Cornelia Dimmitt and J. A. B. van Buitenen Published Philadelphia : Temple University Press, c1978 [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-05-2001).]

Thanks Tarun, Have I missed the beginning of it? And what is WBAI 99.5 FM ?

Thanks Jndas, Now I just need to find these /? Check out this cool site - Aum Ganesha from "Oz Hinduism" sent it to me. http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/upan/index.htm The Upanishads, Max Müller, translator Sacred-Texts Hinduism Buy this book! (volume 1) (volume 2) Max Müllers' translation of the Upanishads, Volume One. (1879)(Volume 1 of the Sacred Books of the East.) Introduction to the Upanishads, vol. 1 (179,516 bytes)Includes the Preface to the Sacred Books of the East, Program of a Translation of the Sacred Books of the East and the Introduction to volume 1 of the Upanishads. KHANDOGYA-UPANISHAD Part 1KHANDOGYA-UPANISHAD Part 2 KHANDOGYA-UPANISHAD Part 3 KHANDOGYA-UPANISHAD Part 4 TALAVAKARA-UPANISHAD (or KENA-UPANISHAD) AITAREYA-ARANYAKA Part 1 AITAREYA-ARANYAKA Part 2 AITAREYA-ARANYAKA Part 3 KAUSHITAKI-UPANISHAD VAGASANEYI-SAMHITA-UPANISHAD [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-04-2001).]

Namaste, Isha Upanisad “The last chapter of the Yajur Veda is actually the Isha Upanishad expressing the mystical view that the supreme spirit pervades everything.” (However it is classed as a work of the mid-Upanishad period) Taittiriya Aitereys "The Taittiriya and Aitareya Upanishads were associated with Aranyakas of the same name. In the Taittiriya Upanishad once again Aum is emphasized, as is peace of soul. Prayers often end with Aum and the chanting of peace (shanti) three times. This may be preceded by the noble sentiment, "May we never hate."17 (17. Taittiriya Upanishad 2:1:1.) One teacher says truth is first, another austerity, and a third claims that study and teaching of the Veda is first, because it includes austerity and discipline." Chhandogya – Oldest 7th C. BC. "The Chandogya Upanishad belongs to the Sama Veda and is the last eight chapters of the ten-chapter Chandogya Brahmana. The first two chapters of the Brahmana discuss sacrifices and other forms of worship. As part of the Sama Veda, which is the chants, the Chandogya Upanishad emphasizes the importance of chanting the sacred Aum. The chanting of Aum is associated with the life breath (prana), which is so powerful that when the devils struck it they fell to pieces. The religious life recommended in the Chandogya Upanishad has three parts. The first is sacrifice, study of the Vedas, and giving alms; the second is austerity; and the third is studying the sacred knowledge while living in the house of a teacher. One liberal giver, who had many rest-houses built and provided with food, said, "Everywhere people will be eating of my food."15 (15. Chandogya Upanishad tr. Robert E. Hume, 4:1:1.) Brhadaranyaka – Oldest 7th C. BC. "The Brihad-Aranyaka has three Aranyaka chapters followed by six Upanishad chapters. The first chapter of the Brihad-Aranyaka Upanishad describes the world as represented by the horse-sacrifice. The primordial battle between the gods and the devils accounts for the evil found in the senses, mind, and speech, but by striking off the evil the divinities were carried beyond death. The priest chants for profound aspiration, one of the most famous verses from the Upanishads: From the unreal lead me to the real! From darkness lead me to light! From death lead me to immortality!12" (12. Brihad-Aranyaka Upanishad tr. Robert E. Hume, 1:3:28.) For more see - http://www.san.beck.org/EC7-Vedas.html#8 sr [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-01-2001).]

Namaste, Isha Upanishad Kena Katha Mundak Mundakya Prashna Taittiriya Aitereys Shwetashwatara Chhandogya Brhadaranyaka Kaivalya Nilarudara As I understand it, there are 108 Upanishads. Does anybody know the names of the other 95 Upanishada. Please - Are they on the net? I would prefer a net site with devanaagarii script. Roman lettering in Sanskrit is the next best option. Least so are English translations. Again kripaya sr [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-01-2001).] [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-01-2001).]

I am interested to find out where the term "sa.nkiirtana" (sankirtana) first appears in Indian text. I have found references to "sa.nkiirtan" in the text of the Bhagavat Purana(5th C. CE). Does anybody know of earlier references? I am also interested to find information about the dates of origin of individual Puranas and Upanishadas. Does anybody know where I can find a list of these? ys Sr [This message has been edited by SaRup (edited 11-01-2001).]

Sudevi, If you have Maharaj’s Australian itinerary and the necessary Australian contacts, could you please email them to me? I wish to have his darshan I am: umm@deakin.edu.au Satyarupa dd

Sudevi, If you have Maharaj’s Australian itinerary and the necessary Australian contacts, could you please email them to me? I wish to have his darshan I am: umm@deakin.edu.au Satyarupa dd

To some extent, <u>it is <font size=2>all</font> performance,</U> like Shakespeare said, whether you play the role of sadhu or sinner. When we become pompous and take our role for reality, we end up looking foolish. I am not a sadhu, I am playing the role of a sadhu in the best way I can, in the hope that one day I may become one. It’s when you give up hope and you are caught in a particular dress, in a role you have ceased believing in, and you simply try to exploit it for the basest reasons that you turn into a mockery of human life.