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I am sad. I was born and leave abroad. I have indian origin. My parent want me to get married (arranged marriage) in India and to come back abroad with my wife. I already love a white and catholic girl. My parent refuse to see/accept her despite my love. They say I have to return in india to make ganesh chaturthi each year as my father did. If i am married with a catholic, I will be excluded of the community (this doesnt disturb me as i was abroad so i never belonged to this community), but consequently i won't be able to do ganesh chaturthi (social festival). I want to honour my father by doing this fest. I love him very much, I love my mother very much, and my girlfriend too. Does anyone can help me please to find a solution. I am sad. If i don't find any solution, i hope I will die soon as this pain is too much for me. Please help.

Here is a wellknown topic, but still I canno't get one and definitive answer. So I will tell you my story : It is the story of an indian origin guy living abroad and who fall in love with a white catholic girl. His parent refuse absolutely this union because : - it will bring shame, unhappiness on his indian indian family living abroad too - their son won't be able to "put fire" on the funeral of his parent (because he is married to a catholic girl, and is no more "pure") - they worship Ganesh Chaturti in India in the house of the grandparent. Their son is ok to worship Ganesh abroad, in the place where he lives. But according to his parents, he cannot do it outside of the grandparent home in India because of religious or social "rules" (I don't know which exactely). And as in India, he will be excluded of the community, he has no choice to seperate of his white girlfriend to be able to worship Ganesh. - As he is the only one boy in this family, he has no choice to get married to his girlfriend if he want to worship Ganesh Chaturti Could you help me please ? Is there anybody of temple who can tell what is right or not. Should he continue his relation with that girl according to these difficulties or these reason are wrong ? Please bring me your help.

Thanks for the information. It's said that under the english colonisation, indian were not allowed to gather themselves. It was indeed a risk of indian revolution for english people. That's why Tilak told the purpose of Ganesh meeting was only religious, not political. Then, english allowed such meetings. Of course, it is said that during these meetings, indian were talking of political topics against english. If this is true, it is funny that ganesh chaturthi, as we know it today, is a consequence of political need first, then religious need. Am I wrong ?

From Holidays in India - Indian Festival 2009, Indian Holidays 2009, Indian Festivals 2009, Festivals Of India : " Ganesh Chaturthi is a major festival of Maharashtra, where thousands of gigantic idols of lord Ganesh are immersed by huge processions of worshipers shouting, Ganpati Bapa Morya. With time, the festival has now gained popularity all over India, with celebrations in south India and Gujarat being no less spectacular than those of Maharashtra. The year 1893 brought a major change in the celebration of Ganesh Chaturthi. It was in this year that Lokmanya Tilak, an Indian nationalist, social reformer and freedom fighter reformed the annual Ganesh festival, from being a private celebration into a grand public event. Till 1893, Ganesh Chaturthi celebrations were a private affair, not done on a public scale. People used to celebrate it in a traditional manner. It was Lokmanya Tilak who popularized Ganesh Chaturthi as a national festival, after visualizing its cultural importance. The reason for this was to enhance the sense of belongingness as well as togetherness among the citizens. It was also done with an aim to build a new grassroots unity between the Brahmins and the non-Brahmins. " Hi all, In this article, it is said that till 1893, Ganesh Chaturthi celebrations were a private affair, not done on a public scale. Could you please bring me some more detail on it ? I imagine that even before 1893, Ganesh was brought in water at the end of the festival. This was certainely not done alone but with all the people of the village. So it was certainely a social work, a social festival, done on "a public scale". So I cannot understand this article. Could you please explain what was the difference between before 1893 and after this date ? Thanks

Ok, I understand your answer and like it. Could you please tell me what you called spirituality ? Is it faith ? is it practicing rituals ?

7th time you repeat the same thing Don't loose credibility little sephiroth .. ;-)

Mmmmhh.. seems really you have problem to say briefly things LOL... It's the fourth time you repeat the same thing. Did you drink or are you normal ? ;-)... How do you know I will not progress in spirtualism. Can you say you progressed more than me ? It is the fifth time you repeat I am a drunkard.. LOL Please don't try to bring confusion and answer my previous question : Imagine for medical needs you have to take alcohol or morphine for example. Will you refuse because it is the "Evil's sign" as you said ? or will you accept ? I know you cannot answer : if you refused and remain consistent with what you said, you risk your health, and if you accept, you won't be consistent with what you wrote earlier... This is the dilemma of giving such no sense answers .. ;-) I think you are not able to go deeply in some topics. Maybe you get scared of it (and I can understand), maybe you never tried it, so consequentely, you speak of things you don't know, you accuse other, and repeat 5 times the same sentence LOL... So it is funny, and you lose credibility. Maybe you should try to understand the topic, the problem, and try to build an credible argument. Drinking a lot makes of people drunkard But drinking sometimes doesn't mean this. But maybe if you didn't understand my writting, you will certainely feel the need to say a sixth time that I am a drunkard .. LOL Please try to not make me laugh once more ;-)

And even in some state in india, they don't even know what superstition is. Consequently everything is faith, everything is asked by God...

Is there any swamis on this website ? :-)

Ok I think I understand what you mean concerning alcohol and 'self induced attachements'. But I have doubt concerning some of your interpretation. Concerning self induced attachements, I totally agree with your point of view. I think even this argument is still true for all external factor (for example somebody who makes you feel angry, but you must stay cool). In this last case it is called 'stoicism' Now what I disagree is that alcohol must not be seen as the devil sign. It must be a pleasure like dancing, singing, laughing. Plus, i am sure there is a no ha restriction in any scriptures.. Is it ? Anyway, i respect your way of life.. If you feel good with it.

I totally agree with you. And this is what I am trying to do

Ok, to summarize what you said : - you repeated three times that I was a drunkard LOL. One time was enough. Seems you have difficulties to say briefly things LOL. - Spiritualism need discipline and self control. To answer your notices : First : Drinking once a week for example doesn't make of you a drunkard. I don't get surprised you say this because you never drunk I suppose and I am sure you talk of someting you don't know. In that case, in my opinion, people should not talk LOL. Second : Spiritualism need discipline and self control. I totally agree, and this is what I do. Only, I have my fashion to do. I feel good with that. You have yours, you feel good with yours. I don't criticize. Third : What about if a medicine contains alcohol ? Would you say that you will never authorize it because it contains alcohol and would prefer risk the life of somebody that is closed to you ?

Ok : what you mean is that to reach moksha, we need to be clean. Alcohol clouds our mind. Ritual at the contrary helps us to come out of this persistent delusion. Does it mean that as a hindu, you never drink ? Now, I know lots of acts that clouds our mind : Imagine you didn't eat. You are hungry : This clouds your mind. Imagine you eat to much. You feel sleepy : This clouds your mind. Imagine you feel a pain. You feel to cry : This clouds your mind. Imagine you get scared. There is automaticaly adrenaline in your blood sent by your brain : This clouds you mind. What I mean is that : even if you don't take any substance (like alcohol for example), your body produces its own substance. Consequentely, it "clouds your mind". So if I share your point of view, that would mean that man shoud not feel sleepy after eating to much, should not feel hungry if he didn't eat ... to summarize should not have any feelings.. Do you think it is consistent, and this is realistic ? I never drink alcohol when I pray. For me it is only a question of respect for God.

Ok, to summurize, what you mean is that rituals are performed because it is : - a tradition. As they are used to doing it, they don't feel pressurised (I agree) - a way to get blessings from god (ok) - not a fear of punishment from god (I know lots of indian who thinks the contrary and try to make you scared...)

Sorry Sant, I don't understand all the words 'Sampradaya' and 'puraan'