ronin

And what do you have to say about this. This guy even disagrees that Mahabharata was an event. And he has explained it so beautifully indeed.

http://www.geocities.com/yogirajharkare/atha.htm

Respected Ronin Ji,

 

With due respect kindly change the way you reply to post's of other members . I mean, you have quoted my previous post in ONE quote box which is grey in colour, yet you replied below my statements in orange hue, under the SAME quote box. As there is only ONE quote box, new or some regular members, who frequents this forum might think that, all your replies (in orange hues) are made by me, since you replied to each of my questions in the same ONE quote box. The orange hue might look like you are highlighting the points. I know it is a petty thing, but avoiding confusions are essential for the benefits of all reader.

 

I'm a busy man. Don't have time to make separate quoteboxes. I do only essential things. If the reader is not intelligent enough he shudn't visit here, rather pay his homage at porn sites which are easier to understand. Spirituality is not a cakewalk.

Yes, it is true some are living in ignorance. Many people realize it, many people unfortunately don't. But most people do think before they write. Thoughs and in thinking mode is always there unless one calms down and meditate.

 

when i say non-thinking i mean ready made answers which people tend to absorb in their cognition when they hear them from their parents, relatives or friends. And then they produce them automatically in any given argument without knowing the base of it. For eg. i have heard a lot of iskon devotees preaching " surrender to Krishna. He will take care of all your problems " This is a readymade statement which they have collected from somewhere & use it without knowing if it is relevant in every sense or not. I have a sewage blockage problem in my community, can someone surrender to krishna & get it cleaned

 

 

I am a Hindu. I am not from India, not well-versed in any Hinduism Holy scriptures in their original language. I study (and I am not even finished studying all) their precise translations in English though I admit, some terminology of Sanskrit cannot be expressed in English, so I take initiative to seek help from learned ones near me. They explain it in English or in my mother tongue. I basically try to understand the essence of all Holy Scriptures of Hinduism by this way. I am no less Hindu. The learned ones that I met never chased me away just because I did not know Hindi or Sanskrit. There are many people in this world are Hindus depite their condition. Let me relate. There many people who are born Hindu, might not even held the Holy Gita, they are Hindus too. In the places I live, many Hindus do not know how many Vedas are there, but they are also Hindus.

 

If you do not know who your father was, what will you call yourself ?

 

I'm not discouraging your efforts here brother. Neither have i discouraged "boricua". We all are struggling in this material world. The whole aim of mankind is to progress. Each human being wants to progress either materially or spiritually. Some take baby steps, some take phantom leaps. I wanted to propose a channelised path for boricua. I have lived in a non-english & non-hindi speaking country, so i know problems caused by language barrier.

 

Medicine is a science, law is a subject with a system of rules. To practice both training and education in respective fields needed. NO OTHER WAY.

 

Religion is a higher science. It has laws. It has steps which lead to spiritulity.

It only needs faith. Anyone can have faith, cultivate their faith, and nourish the faith and these depends on how aware and involved they are in the faith.

 

Mere faith cannot fill your hungry stomach. If you keep repeating faithfully that your stomach is already filled it will not curb your hunger. You have to prepare , cook & eat.

 

I give you an eg, some people do not know why they offer water to Lord Surya early morning, all they knew was, their grandparents did it, so did their parents and now they are doing it. But then they too are Hindus, but less informed about the significance of the rituals. Why they are Hindus......because they have faith, if not they would have given up. These people again might know or do not know at all Hindi or Sanskrit. They are just not well informed about the significance of the rituals because they are doing it as a mere routine.

 

A practice without logical support becomes extinct slowly. If you do not know the logic of using condom you will stop using it & become addicted to AIDS ultimately. It becomes your duty to tell them the logic behind offering water to sun which will strengthen their faith. otherwise this practice will die out eventually.

**Sun is the only visible God in the universe. We can see Sun God everyday. Sun gives life to everything on earth. So we worship it by offering water.

 

Ronin Ji, I am sorry for making you read my long reply.

 

If you are speaking truth, one line is more powerful than whole essay.

 

 

**I just realized that many blessed seniors, advanced spiritualists that I know in the forum refrain posting in threads anymore. I have been blessed to talk to one blessed senior from India, he would always say, pointless debate is unhealthy for his spiritual life. He has a point I guess. I am sorry if any members think that I am infact contributing or intiating pointless debate.It is not my intention. I will now only respond to threads/posts that are worth replying too or replying to questions pertaining statements that I made in my past, recently, or in the coming future that might appear hazy. **

He who says this is selfish person, because he is thinking about his own self. One who knows truth should bring it in the open. He should rather pay back what he has taken from the society. It becomes his duty to share what he has gained in spirituality. Not many people have the courage to do so. I wouldn't call him a morally strong person.

I'm not arguing Rashmi ji. Just presenting facts. Indian society is the most corrupt one.Religious sects have always taken advantage of poor innocent people & cheated them in the name of God. But nobody stands out against them because it requires great will & confidence to oppose a whole community of non-workers who have shirked their daily responsibilities & became toutes of God . Only people who showed courage to do so were Shankracharya & Swami Dayanand whose hearts cried at the plight of poor India people & who threw away their lives to help those common masses.

Dear Blessed Members of the Forum,

 

It is very sad to see the patterns of thinking here.

 

& i'm sad to see the patterns of non-thinking. People have stopped thinking logically. Rationality has died in the hands of ignorance.

 

A Hindu is a term to classify one who practices Hinduism. It is an eternal religion, so beautiful that it doesn't limit the freedom of people practicing whatever paths or rituals that they follow. It is open to all that believe and have faith in Hinduism.

 

And how are you supposed to practice hinduism without knowing the local language? All religions are beautiful for a beautiful mind. I like Christ as much as i like Mohammad & Krishna. And all religions are open to everybody.

I strongly believe, anyone can be a Hindu, with or without knowing Hindi or Sanskrit. Yes, I am aware most Hindi and Sanskrit speakers are Hindus. But then, I have come across many Hindus that speak Tamil, Indonesian, Kannada, Malayalam, Telugu, and many other Indian regional languages as well as people who speak English and many more foreign languages, without knowing an iota of Hindi language or Sanskrit. So are they less Hindu? I do not think so.

 

They are practicing Hinduism really well for your information. It is so unfair to label someone without even researching.

 

I doubt it. Can you practice law without knowing it ? Can you practice medical without knowing it ?

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I know its difficult for you to understand. Sometimes ego stands in the path understanding. So i will try to enlighten you step by step.

 

do you know sanskrit ? if not then you are worthless as a hindu ( by your logic)

 

I don't need to purchase vegetables in sanskrit. Nor do i purchase grocery in sanskrit. Because a local shopkeeper does not understands sanskrit. A trash collector is not educated enough to understand sanskrit. A milk man is not graduated in sanskrit either. I know needful sanskrit which i can use to do my daily worships.

 

you have not explained the relation between being a hindu and hindi .

 

Hindu is a persian word derived from river Sindhu(sindhu ghati) which was in the north. It means people belonging to that particular region. If you want to live in that particular region then you need to learn the language of the people to communicate. Hindi is the language almost spoken & understood almost by everyone in the northern region as well as in the ssouthern region. Previously it was sanskrit. Of course you have a choice to live silently, but researches have proven that if a person living in a community is made to live alone even for 3 days without sspeaking to anybody he starts becoming insane. So decide at your own risk.

 

And if some one does not know hindi in India, then we should assume that he was not capable enough to go to school. We shudn't project him as a source of our argument rather show mercy on poor soul.

 

 

why not any other langauge ?

 

If your child calls you father in a language which you don't know, will you be able to understand him. And if he persists on calling you in the same language you will get agitated & kick his butt. Hindi is the national language & spoken by maximum no.

 

hindi was a forced amalgamation of ragional dialects like maithili , bhojpuri , brajbhasa etc etc . where was hindi 500 years ago ? what scriptures were writen in hindi ?

 

When have i said scriptures were written in Hindi ?

 

this is not to say that hindi is bad , but to make you understand that it is not indespensable nor necessary ............... learning sanskrit is what is really needed !!

 

Sanskrit is only needed if you want to enter spirituality. And when you enter spirituality religions dissolve. there is no hinduism, no christianity, no islam.

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So boricua your hope to become hindu is very less without learning hindi. Perhaps you can try becoming a bengali, i'm sure sambya will help you a lot.

You should learn to walk before you learn to fly. There is no shortcut in life. You have to go through proper channels.

I'm not against Lord Krishna, but against those corrupt people who are robbing innnocent foreigners by using this propaganda that Krishna refers to himself as ultimate god in Geeta & depriving a great sage "Vyas Muni" for its credit.

If anybody has any important details plz contribute.

when ever someone mentions Gita we associate it with Lord Krishna. But very few of us know who the original author was. Iskon devotees are extorting bagfuls from foreigners by hiding this secret from them that Krishna just preached geeta. Even common mass in India does not know this fact. Where ever the author in Geeta has written to surrender to supreme god, it is assumed that Krishna is the supreme God.

Krishna does not have a copyright on Geeta. He never wrote Geeta. Geeta was already written before the war of Mahabharata. Krishna just preached it. It was written by Vyas Muni on the banks of Saraswati. So all those verses which Iskon devotees quote do not point at Krishna as a superior God. The original writer of gita was Vyas Muni & he should not be deprived of his credit.

See links below.

http://www.urday.com/gita.html

http://www.vedmandir.com/content/que...-april-21-2009

If you feel that knowledge is only in vedas & geetas, then your education has lacked somewhere. What is more important than reading scriptures is commonsense of human being & his ability to differentiate b/w right & wrong & walk apart from the herd of sheep.

Krishna was a powerful incarnation of God Vishnu when he was alive. Today Krishna is only a sect & when a God becomes a sect it becomes corrupt. All sects a corrupt presently.

Whose translation of gita are you quoting from. I have read gita translations of many people including Vivekananda, Dyananda, Sivananda, Osho, Bal gangadhar Tilak , Gandhiji. Everyone has manipulated gita in their own way. Gita is such a text that it has so many meanings that everytime you start reading it fresh it assumes a new meaning.

I have already stated that all Gods have different purposes. If i take your words to be true then give me one simple reason why iskon devotees are thriving on common man's hard earned money? why do they go to doctors when they go ill ? Why are they expanding their business by selling different products ? why hasn't lord Krishna fulfilled all their desires ?

More over to remove the veil of ignorance from your eyes i must state here that Krishna does not have a copyright on Geeta. He never wrote Geeta. Geeta was already written before the war of Mahabharata. Krishna just preached it. It was written by Vyas Muni on the banks of Saraswati. So all those verses which you are translating do not point at Krishna as a superior God. what's more interesting is people knew very little about geeta until Shankracharya's commentary appeared on it.

See links below.

http://www.urday.com/gita.html

http://www.vedmandir.com/content/questions-answers-april-21-2009

Sant ignorantly you have written the right thing. You can't become a Russian living in India.

Can a doctor become a doctor without a medical degree ? what about a Lawyer without a law education ?

If tomorrow you come to me wearing Obama's underwear should i treat you like the president of USA? If i do, i'm a fool of highest order.

Sambya if you can become a father without producing a child, then anyone can become a hindu without learning hindi. There is a criteria for everything in life. If you want to be called a father then you have to make succesfull sex to your wife & wait for the baby to get born.

Of course if you are restless to be called a father you can adopt a baby, but you won't do so unless you are impotent.

Hence we can state that hindi is a compulsion to be a hindu.

Not meaning to sound offensive, don't we need a teacher right from the start? even to learn how to take the first step?

None taken either. Follow the primary steps. Pickup Sivananda Saraswati books from the market. Its a gradual change which you have to bring over years.

And remember what yoda said " I can only show you the door. It is you who has to walk through it "

There is a lot of fakes sitting out there to fool you if you don't know your basics. When basics are clear you'll develop the ability to differentiate b/w right & wrong & like wise be able to choose.

Lord Rama was already married & Ravana extorted Sita by force. In your case you are unmarried & want to extort another person's wife by tantric procedures. You are Ravana here. You are disturbing someone's married life.

You want to disturb the cycle of nature.

Haven't you read the definition of true love? True love only gives & not demands. Let her live her life. Who are you to her when you are not married to her?

Beliefs and rituals have neither regional nor language boundaries. It is like saying that you have to know Latin or English to follow Christianity.

I do not know about rituals & beliefs of other countries but it isn't true about Indian system. Yes you need to know the language of the country of the religion you ought to follow. If i keep before you a "Koran" in Urdu & you don't know that language , how will you conceive the book. Its easy to get a translated copy but its like eating canned food when fresh food is available.

hindi ?????!!!!!! what for ?

 

why not tamil which is the second classical language of india ? why not bengali , assamese , punjabi , prakrit , pali and other apabrahmsa dialects ??

 

why not kahsi , garo , and santhali mothertongues ?

 

Because Hindi is more easy & spoken country wide.

 

do you know that hindu was not a language in proper sense and how much effort has gone into it to give it a language status ?

Hindi is derived from Sanskrit which is the language of Gods. Why do you think those people effort ed so much? were they jerks ?

I don't trust any of those who come on TV.

When the disciple is ready, the guru appears. Are you ready to sit in one place for 3 hours ? Are you ready to drop onions, garlic, spices & even salt from your food ? Are you ready for abstinence & non-violence ?

To confused1974

Call your colleagues/juniors & say sorry for not coming because you were tired. A tired person cannot be productive. He only drags on his day killing the time & often makes errors in his work.

Human body is a very delicate piece of artwork. Its not a machine so do not treat it like one. It needs rest when tired. Its a natural phenomena. Anyone who works gets tired & needs food & rest to revitalize tissues.

If you overwork, you will not remain a doctor any longer but become a patient yourself

Melvin if you think Sant is a self-realised person, let me clear your doubt that he is not. You will only find such true souls in forests or solitudes carrying out their "sadhnas" in wilderness. Since you are old your body will not support rigourous yagic practices even if you decide to follow that way. So right now bhakti marg is best choice for you. Try chanting god's name all the time, even on your deathbed.

To boricua

Hindu means born in "Hindustan" or India. Your friend is right. You can't be a hindu unless you are born into it. Even if you adopt hinduism at this stage in your life, you will have to learn hindi & sanskrit to practice the daily rituals, which i believe you want to do....why else you would be interested in becoming a hindu? All daily worships ritual & even advanced worships are in hindi & sanskrit.

But there has to be a start somewhere. You can go ahead & start learning & astonish your friend. Try to become spiritual, rather than hindu. Spirituality has no boundries. I know of many non- Indian who have been successfully initiated into spirituality.

Why are you annoyed Sant? Melvin is a true lover ...accept him

If you want to follow a spiritual path your choice will depend upon what temperament you have. Like if i have a lot of enemies i will worship that god who destroys all my enemies & brings peace into my life. Like wise choice is made or guru decides for the disciple.

To confused1974

I'm moved by your inner voice. What advice can we offer you. The realization of wrong action does not comes easily.

Don't worry this one action will not affect your past good karmas. Its not like this that you steal 4000 rupees & donate 3000 & keep 1000 thinking you will only be punished for stealing 1000 rupees. you will be punished for stealing 4000 & awarded for donating 3000. Bad karmas get rewarded badly & good karmas get rewarded in a good way.

Are you the same guy who wanted to captivate his love by using mantras & went begging for them everywhere in the forum ? And when no one helped, you lost your morals & became one more dhongi sadhu shouting " i will help you .. i will help you " You are no better than a sex starving dog. You even criticized everyone in one of your previous posts for not helping you just to entice a woman & show how much compassion you have in your heart. I can supply you with the link if you want. Where were your morals at that time when you abused our feelings ? Just look into your collar & see how many holes it has.

Just use your wits & scroll back & read who has abused whom & who has cursed whom ?

Do you even know the meaning of molesting, go check your dictionary.

I know which women are worth respecting. Even Hanuman had to kill " Surasa" Ram killed tadaka. What will you call them now? i'm not comparing myself to God but unveil the curtain of sex from your eyes & differentiate between right & wrong. I wish moderators could take strong action & delete all post relating to sexual issues or create a new forum for them.

Peace.

Words cannot kill any guilt. what you have done, have done. don't try to angle your bad deeds towards me.

"hindustani" has rightly referred to you in one of his previous posts as " foolish girl "

If you want i can give you the link.

Again i invoke the spirit of conscious people that this is a spiritual forum & sexual stories should be prohibited here. There should be more posts like this

"http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/453715-how-do-we-verify-success-spiritual-life.html"

wow. I am so glad to know that :). Can you please post the text and audio link. I have emailed emperor as well...but I haven't heard back from him. My sister is going through tuff phase in life and somebody suggessted her to pray Lord Shiva. Thank you for your help.

I think i also need links. This is missing from my collection. Plz be kind enough to send link or email me. Thank you.

I know how to reduce my deeds also. Worry about yourself & stop preaching fake gospels .

And this is a spiritual forum. Stop posting your sore crap everywhere describing your "unsuccessful romantic life" & "One night stand". If you are here then curb your sexual desires & move towards God. You don't even know how many bad karmas you are earning by seducing young men here with your sexual stories. Go to some porn site or a bollywood director & who knows you might be a future "Rakhi Sawant"