Deathless

Really.....

He took the name the Ram while dying.

 

Gita was his life and soul.

 

Sri Ram was dearer to him than his own life.

 

Tulsidasa's Ramcharitra Manasa was considered by him to be the Greatest work.

 

His influence was Vaishnavism.

“I believe in Advaita; I believe in the essential unity of man and for that matter, for all that lives. Therefore, I believe that if one man gains spiritually, the whole world gains with him and if one man fails, the whole world fall to that extent…”

--Mahatma Gandhi

Many Advaita Vedantins also worship Vishnu and loved the Ramacharit Manas. Many of them love the Gita. Just because you follow Advait philosophy doesn't mean that you don't admire Vishnu. You seem to forget that the founder of Advait philosophy, Shankaracharya, wrote Bhaja Govindam.

He was a born Sri Hari Bhakta.. he was born in such a family.

One can be both a Vishnu Bhakta and a proponent of Advait.

He was somewhat initially contemplating and ventured in knowing the Arya Samaj and its doctrine... but who can resist Sri Ram.

He returned to the Bhagvata doctrine.

 

When He was asked who will accompany him to the 1st and 2nd conference table... He replied, "Sri Madana Mohan Malaviya"... The Great Vaishnava Brahmana who created the Banaras Hindu University.

Who cares? Ramakrishna Paramahansa, an Advaitan, was initiated by a Vaishnava. That doesn't mean he was a Vaishnava (though he did experiment with it).

The appreciated the work of the Advaitins but to become a Mahatma the only solution is the lotus feet of Sri Krishna.

The Advaitins had some role in the Independence Era but the Major Protagonist were Sri Hari Followers.

He does not give major roles to the whimsical who think themselves the doer, but to those who know that HE is basis in all the understanding.

 

Dude, read the story of my experiment with truth before coming to any conclusion.

 

AS HE HIMSELF SAID, "TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE SUPREME ALL PERVADING ABSOLUTE TRUTH FACE TO FACE ONE NEED TO LOVE EVEN THE MEANEST OF CRAP."

Nice saying...?

How does it affect anybody deathless? especially you?.Is the worshippers of durga under threat from vaishnavites.

 

Are Durga worshippers under threat?.Do the vaishnavas abuse them?

 

Do the vaishnavites say all nonvaishnavites go to hell??

Get a grip. There's no reason for a panic attack.

And, in turn, I'd like to ask you:

How does my comment affect anyone chandu? Especially you? Are the worshipers of Vishnu under threat from the Shaktas? Are Vishnu worshipers under threat? Do Shaktas abuse them? Do the Shaktas say all non-Shaktas go to hell?

They leave everything on Hari. Even though you've seen Gandhiji coming with really amazing methods to gain independence for India but He knew perfectly that the soul never does. His thought coincided with Ram. Even though people saw him doing still He never did.

As he himself said, "If you remove the element of God within me, I'm good for nothing."

 

And he was a proponent of Advaita Vedanta.

Here is some advaita --[learn it well!]:

 

No offense intended: This is NOT FOR ATHEISTS TO READ.

Advaita is not atheism, you fool.

Chanting of the holy name of the Lord should be loudly done, and it should be performed offenselessly as well, as recommended in the Padma Purana...

The tenth offense is to become uninterested in the holy name of the Lord even after hearing of the transcendental nature of the holy name. The effect of chanting the holy name of the Lord is perceived by the chanter as liberation from the conception of false egoism.

Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda. Oh fool! Rules of Grammar will not save you at the time of your death.

But one cannot protect himself if one commits an offense at the feet of the holy name of the Lord. Such offenses are mentioned in the Padma Purana as being ten in number...

The seventh offense is to commit sins intentionally on the strength of the holy name. In the scriptures it is said that one can be liberated from the effects of all sinful actions simply by chanting the holy name of the Lord...

The eighth offense is to consider the holy name of the Lord and His chanting method to be equal to some material auspicious activity.

Worship Govinda, worship Govinda, worship Govinda, Oh fool! Other than chanting the Lord's names, there is no other way to cross the life's ocean.

The first offense is to vilify the great devotees who have preached about the glories of the Lord...

The third offense is to neglect the orders of the authorized äcäryas or spiritual masters.

gurucharanaambuja nirbhara bhakatah samsaaraadachiraadbhava muktah sendriyamaanasa niyamaadevam drakshyasi nija hridayastham devam

Oh devotee of the lotus feet of the Guru! May you be freed from Samsara. Through disciplined senses and controlled mind, you will come to experience the indwelling Lord of your heart!

The second offense is to see the holy names of the Lord in terms of worldly distinction. The Lord is the proprietor of all the universes, and therefore He may be known in different places by different names, but that does not in any way qualify the fullness of the Lord...

The fourth offense is to vilify scriptures or Vedic knowledge...

The fifth offense is to define the holy name of the Lord in terms of one’s mundane calculation. The holy name of the Lord is identical with the Lord Himself, and one should understand the holy name of the Lord to be nondifferent from Him...

The sixth offense is to interpret the holy name. The Lord is not imaginary, nor is His holy name.

 

geyam giitaa naama sahasram dhyeyam shriipati ruupamajasram neyam sajjana sange chittam deyam diinajanaaya cha vittam

Regularly recite from the Gita, meditate on Vishnu in your heart, and chant his thousand glories. Take delight to be with the noble and the holy. Distribute your wealth in charity to the poor and the needy.

How do proponents of Advaita violate any of the rules you've mentioned? All the quotes I've given you are from Adi Shankaracharya, the founder of Advaita Vedanta! He clearly didn't violate these rules and neither do his followers.

And...

The ninth offense is to instruct those who are not interested in chanting the holy name of the Lord about the transcendental nature of the holy name, if such instruction is imparted to an unwilling audience, the act is considered to be an offense at the feet of the holy name.

...don't Hare Krishnas commit this offense when they sit on the side walk singing constantly about Krishna to people who don't even know or care who he is, and then go and make fun of his followers?

So YOU do not give any regards to the Mahabharata & Gita?

 

So YOU do not give any regards to this statement? YES or NO?:

 

" . . . It is said in the Mahabharata, Adi-parva (20) that 640,000,000 men were killed in the eighteen days of the Battle of Kuruksetra, and some hundreds of thousands were missing. Practically this was the greatest battle in the world within five thousand years. . . . "

 

 

YES or NO --do you give any regards to this statement??

 

If you give no regards to this statement, and think it FALSE??

 

No war? No Krishna's discussion with Arjuna? No Bharata-vamsa?

"Mayavadi-bhasya sunile haya sarva-nasa"

Which basically means:

"Be wise and don't speak with the teachers of illusion or all [your bhakti] will be destroyed."

My question is, why are you even speaking in this thread, which is about Advaita Vedanta, if you aren't supposed to be talking to Advaita Vedantists?

That doesnt make advaitha true in all aspects when scientific rigor is applied

Well, I didn't say that, now did I? I just said that it was more scientific in some aspects.

Science didnt prove that god exists either.

Deity=god. You're just kind of restating my point.

Spirituality of advaitan kind(of any kind,for that matter) is also not recognized by science.

Yes. As I said, it is more scientific in some areas. I didn't say it was totally scientific and that it has scientific backing in every, single thing. I just said that it was slightly more scientific in some areas as opposed to dualistic thought.

There is also no evidence that yoga is a product of scientific rigor, nevertheless people derive benefit from it.Science is validating some measurable benefits of yoga,though.

I know. I didn't say that Yoga was bad and that we shouldn't try to achieve Yoga (union) with God because it's not based in science. All that I said was that Yoga (as well as all other spiritual paths, like you've said) is not necessarily scientific. It's more spiritual.

You should probably move your question to the Vedic Astrology/Jyotisha forum.

Yes, meat in general is bad for the human body. But it's especially bad when it's a) mass produced, b) filled with artificial hormones, and c) deep-fried for the obese masses.

I often do not have time to eat in the morning, so I just drink a glass of milk. It's a lot more filling than one might think.

Yet, some Vaishnavas will still insist on calling her a "demigoddess".

A very interesting treatise.

Yes, feel the same here deathless. Sometimes I think as a devotee (can only speak for myself), one can be very impersonal and falsely renounced (missing out on the simplicity of relationship - with god in the centre).

Very true.

Radha and Krsna are very lusty.

Hahaha!

Wondered the same. Maybe they did, or love may have come and gone several times since;).

Yeah, maybe it has.

Yeah that's it hey deathless, each to their own way and choosing. All the best to them as they follow their hearts.

Amen to that!

Woa this topic had been dug up from 2005!

Really?! Hmmm... I wonder if they ever got married or not?

1. Well I can't say for certain, but it seems like the case that you have to be initiated in ISKCON specifically. To this day I haven't met any married couples in iskcon who've been initiated by a guru outside of their own ISKCON school. So i've never see an ISKCON devotee married to a Gaudiya Math or Christian devotee etc.

It seems the case that the married couples first started off in brahmachari or brahmacharini ashrams, and then eventually after some training, married persons from their own school. I haven't seen them getting married to outsiders.

Wow. That's very strange.

2. I don't know if marriage between the two schools is completely out of the question, I can't say that. It just seems like an unspoken 'thing' the iskcon devotees abide by. But I'm only under this impression because I've never met an isckon devotee who just so happened to be married to someone who wasn't part of iskcon. Maybe there are iskcon devotees married to devotees from gaudiya math. It's just I haven't seen it, and most of the devotees in iskcon seem like they'd want to be married within the same family. It certainly be more comfortable.

 

Of course the central focus or basis of any relationship for a Gaudiya Vaishnava would be Krishna of course, so it seems silly that there would be restrictions on marriage between people of the same Gaudiya vaishnav background. It's not like there's discussion of marriage between a devotee an atheist. But then as dev had said in his comment

"If she/he follows 4 regulative principles and chant 16 rounds as prescribed in ISKCON then go ahead with this relation."

This might be quite an important factor for the person..

Yes, I suppose that might be their primary concern.

..."What is love, but whatever my heart needs around? (song lyric)"...

 

Material or spiritual lust? It depends on what we desire. Desire is always there one way or another.

I do not consider lust to be a part of love.

Love is grounded in mutual respect and caring, in my opinion. Lust is based solely on the baser instincts and wanting to fulfill one's own desires, with self-interest being the primary objective.

Lust is not what marriage is based on. It is based on respect and love.

This Gaudiya Math/Iskcon thing surely should not come before love (I am not talking about lust here). And if it does, in my opinion, there must be some incorrect spiritual teaching in one of the groups involved.

 

Very well said, bija.

if you water the tree all parts will will get nourishment. So call love ( lust) for each other has no use in spiritual life.

And, if you really think that spousal love is solely about lust, then you have no idea what marriage is.

4 reg , 16 rounds and horscope matching is main thing

Whatever happened to love being the main thing in a marriage?

Stand and fight ... those bacteria.

Hahaha! I wonder if there's a little Gita being preached to the bacteria in my mouth right now...

This is a great statement by the way. With so many external walls they would have a long way to go toward union. But of course intimacy may put an end to the unnecessary, bringing them closer.

I hope it does if they do decide to get married. It's hard to imagine someone having a strong relationship when their main concern is sectarian quibbles and minute detail, though.

Hahaha what a witty comment, but at the same time very relevant and true.

Haha, thanks.

But his concern is quite genuine I think. At ISKCON, as far as ritual/practise or marriage is concerned, I've noticed that everything must be in accordance with ISKCON ideals. So if you want to get married you should marry a devotee, but a devotee within ISKCON? I may be wrong though.

And you can't marry an intiated devotee if you yourself aren't initiated, you'd have to marry a devotee who hasn't been initiated.

Do you have to be initiated in ISKCON specifically or initiated in any lineage?

I'm sure many people have heard that they say at ISKCON you shouldn't really look at things outside of the ISKCON parameter, this extends to the books you read. They can't read anything besides Prabhupada's literature or their own guru.

 

They keep their devotees well proctected from the external world.

So many rules! I never knew how many rules there were for ISKCON members.

I'm guessing that marriage between a non-Gaudiya and an ISKCONi would be totally out of the question?

Haribol.

 

I am an aspiring disciple of an ISKCON Guru.

 

Can i marry a devotee from Gaudiya Math? Dsiciple of Narayan Maharaj, can anyone help me regarding this?

Man: "Are you Hindu?"

Woman: "Yes!"

Man: "Me too! Are you a Vaishnava?"

Woman: "Yes!"

Man: "ME TOO! Are you a Gaudiya Vaishnava?"

Woman: "Yes!"

Man: "Me too! Wow I can't believe we have so much in common religiously.......................................

Wait... are you a member of ISKCON or Gaudiya Math?"

Woman: "Gaudiya Math."

Man: "Oh... well, even though we believe nearly the exact same thing, you're still not a part of the same sectarian group as I am. I'm going to have to end this immediately, you heretic scum of the earth."

Really, though, if you honestly think any relationship (let alone a marriage) should be based on such sectarian ideology, you probably shouldn't even be considering marriage at all at the moment.

But a thousand times more merit than is earned by feeding a brahmacari is achieved by donating land to the needy and respectable brahmana, and a thousand time more than that is earned by giving away a virgin girl in marriage to a young, well-educated, responsible man.

Women aren't people. They are property on the same level as money, food, land, and cows.

Real nice.

Seriously try to think a little deeper. No one is talking about wardrobes or haircuts so why inject such a silly thing into the conversation? Everything is there in the narrative and the purports of Srila Prabhupada.

Daksha didn't attack Shiva for being a Vaishnava. He attacked him because he thought he wasn't good enough for his daughter. Sati still killed herself.

So, if someone wants to twist that story in such a way that it applies to all Vaishnavas, then that means that people must kill themselves even if the perceived "offense" has nothing to do with religion.

We can accept what he says and try to understand how to apply it in the context of todays society or not.

I don't see how encouraging an ancient feudal system and saying that people must kill themselves when hearing a Vaishnava insulted can logically apply to today's society.

BY the way I haven't worn a dhoti or had a shaved head since 1971. I look more like my avatar, my childhood guru, Alfred. Alfred once said to me, "Son if you want to keep your groove smooth then never talk bad story about the enlightened ones."

I wasn't talking about ISKCON members wearing dhotis and shaving their heads.

I meant more that a person with a bad hair cut and stupid clothes could be a Vaishnava, and is opening himself to insult by looking strange. He is inevitably going to be insulted. So, when he is insulted, should all the women, Vaishyas, and Shudras in his immediate vicinity kill themselves? According to Prabhupada, they should.

I have nothing to new to add.

 

Hare Krsna

Hare Ram.

Sorry but this wasn't my quote, I said the opposite, John Lennon is for sure rolling around in his grave. He couldn't perform any other spiritual activity except include Hare Krsna in his songs and this is being destroyed by a bunch of atheists.

He was one of that "bunch of atheists" that considered ISKCON and chanting to Krishna an abomination.

It is intolerable and should be battled against by all means.

I really don't think he would care as much about this as you seem to.