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    Is Durga specifically called a "goddess" or "Hindu goddess" in any scripture? What are these terms that are used by the Hindu laity based on? Where is she explicitly described as a "Hindu goddess?"

    DEVI Mahatmyam. The title of the scripture describing her origin even has the word 'goddess' in it!


    Since the scriptures are written in Sanskrit, you can quibble all you want with any translation of words like "deva." Or you can use the original words and understand the concept behind them. I think the less-than-ideal iskcon translation as "demigod" is just trying to get across the point that they are elevated beings but not on the same level as God/Brahman. If you think they mean something else by it, you are welcome to explain yourself. It's not my translation.

    I think they're trying to promote their philosophy by being dishonest in their translation.

    I don't see how one can get 'demigod' or 'demigoddess' out of 'deva' or 'devi'. Krishna is called 'Vasudeva' and no one translates that as 'demigod of the Vasu clan'. Balaram is called 'Baladeva' and no one translates that as 'strong demigod'.

    They aren't trying to give the 'general idea of the passage' in translating it like that. They're just incorporating their own ideas into their biased translations.


    Every so often we get another round of Shaivite/Shaktaite postings by authors who think they can convince those silly little Hare Krishna people to give up their Vishnu-centric beliefs by quoting from some esoteric section of a virtually unknown smriti that extols the virtues of some other devata. I thought this was where you were coming from. If not, then we have nothing here to disagree about as far as I can tell.
    I have no problem with people worshipping MahaVishnu. I'm not trying to make anyone give up their worship of Vishnu. I would just like it if some of Lord Vishnu's worshipers would stop degrading the other devas and devis, as if it were some alternate way of praising Vishnu.


    Perhaps by underworld, Melvin means the Mafia realm. The Gotti family in the west, Dawood and gang in India, etc., perform Durga Puja before starting any major activity, like planning an execution, or expanding their extortion rackets.


    Perhaps he means Durga makes their desires come true - as the Goddess of the underworld.



    Oh, goddess of the proverbial "underworld".

  3. And why should "some Vaishnavas" reconsider that position? After all, your view is based on a few paurusheya granthas of relatively recent origin, and I am sure you are aware that shrutis and prasthana-trayi constitute more mainstream sources of right knowledge among both Vaishnava and non-Vaishnava schools of Vedanta.
    What, exactly, is calling Durga "half of a goddess" based on? Is she specifically called "half-a-devi" in a scripture, Vaishnava or otherwise? Please, do tell, raghu.


    Sorry to have to be so blunt but in the name of wanting to argue you reveal yourself as very slow minded.

    Such humility must only exist among the saints!


    The remedy wasn't for everyone to kill themselves. The alternative is to leave that place. As I suggested, boycott the Puri temple. These people are irrelevant.

    Where did your guru say that? He said they had to kill themselves, not participate in some massive boycott or sit-in for civil rights.


    Oh Deathless dweeb-meister,
    You can always tell a great Vaishnava by how many insults they hurl.


    You do realize that I was just replying to your for amusement, right?


    Therefore, I will be neglecting you and I will not look back.
    Okay. Have a nice day!

  6. Ranjeet:


    Shiva Manasa Puja


    Rathnai Kalpitham asanam, Himajalai snanam cha divyambaram,

    Naana rathna vibhooshitham mruga madha modhanvitham Chandanam,

    Jathi champaka bilwa pathra rachitham, pushpam cha deepam Thada,

    Deepam deva dayanithe pasupathe, hrud kalpyatham gruhyatham.


    I offer you an imaginary throne made of precious jewels,

    I offer you bath in the water of melted snow from the Himalayas,

    I offer you holy silken cloth to wear,

    I adorn you with very many precious jewels,

    I offer you musk and sandal,

    I offer you Bilwa and Champaka flowers,

    And I offer you the holy lamp,

    But all these I offer in the portal of my mind,

    Please God who is merciful and who is the Lord of all beings,

    Accept my offerings and bless me.


    Souvarne nava rathna Ganda Rachithe, pathre Grutham Payasam,

    Bakshyam pancha vidam Payo dadhiyutham, rambha phalam panakam,

    Saaka namayutham jalam ruchikaram, karpoora gandojwalam,

    Thamboolam manasa maya virachitham Bhakthyo prabho sweekuru


    Sweet rice in a golden bowl inlaid with the nine jewels, the five kinds of food made from milk and curd, bananas, vegetables, sweet water scented with camphor, and betel leaves - I have prepared all these in my mind with devotion. O lord, please accept them.



    I offer you Ghee and the sweet payasam in golden vessel ,

    Decorated with nine type of precious gems,

    I offer you five different dishes made of curd and milk,

    I offer you panakam made of sweet fruits,

    I offer you tasty sweet scented water to drink,

    I offer you the lamp made of camphor along with tinkling bells,

    And I offer you betel leaf and nut,

    But these are offered by my mind with utter devotion to you,

    So Lord Kindly accept and bless.



    Chathram Chamarayoryugam vyajanagam, chaa darshakam nirmalam,

    Veena bheri mrudanga kahala kala geetha nruthyam thada,

    Sasthangam pranthi sthuthir bahu vidha, hyethat samastham maya,

    Sankalpena samapitham thava vibho , poojam gruhana prabho.


    I offer you a pretty stage,

    I offer you couple of decorative fans,

    I also offer you shining mirror,

    I offer you Veena, kettledrums, Mrudanga and a very big drum,

    I offer you song and dance,

    I offer you full prostration,

    I offer you several types of prayers,

    But all these I offer you my Lord, in my mind

    So Lord kindly accept this my worship.


    Aathma thwam Girija Mathi sahacharaa, prana sarreram gruham,

    Pooja theey vishayopa bhoga rachana, nidhra samadhi sthithi,

    Sanchara padayo pradakshina vidhi, , sthothrani sarva giraa,

    Yadyath karma karomi thathad akhilam, shambho thavaradhanam.


    My soul is your temple my lord,

    My activities are thine attendants,

    My body is thine home,

    My acts to please my senses are thine worship,

    My act of sleep is the deep meditation on thee,

    All my walks with my feet are thine perambulations,

    What ever falls from my mouth are thine prayers,

    Oh Lord, everything I say and do are thine forms of worship.


    Kara charana krutham vaak kayajam karmajam vaa,

    Sravana nayanajam vaa maanasam vaa aparadham,

    Vihithamavihitham vaa sarva methath Kshamaswa,

    Jaya Jaya katunabdhe sri Mahadeva Shambho.


    Please pardon Oh lord

    All those acts committed by me,

    By hands, by action, by body or

    By hearing, by my sight, or by my mind,

    Whether they are proper or improper..

    Victory oh victory, Oh, ocean of mercy,

    Oh, The greatest of Gods and Oh benevolent one.


    Matha cha Parvathy Devi,

    Pitha devo Maheswara,

    Bandhava Shiva Bakthamscha,

    Swadeso Bhuvana thray.


    My mother is the goddess Parvathy,

    My father is the Lord Shiva,

    My friends are the devotees of Shiva

    And my native place is all the three worlds.


    Gauri Dashaka


    Leela labdha stapita luptakila lokaam,

    Lokaa teetair yogibir antashira mrugyam,

    Balaaditya sreni samaana dyuti punchaam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 1


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who playfully creates and destroys the worlds,

    Who is sought after by the mind of yogis, who are beyond this world,

    And who is like a collection of light of several suns at dawn.


    Pratyahara dhyana Samadhi stiti bhaajaam,

    Nityam chite nirvruti kashtaam kalayantim,

    Satya janananda mayeem taam tanu madhyam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 2


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who can be seen by sages in the state of meditation and deep trance,

    Who resides within our mind inciting it and giving it pure bliss,

    Who is filled with pure bliss of wisdom and who has a slender waist.


    Chandra peedaa nandita manda smita vaktraam,

    Chandra peedalankruta neela alaka bhaaraam,

    Indropendra archita padambuja yugmam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 3


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who has a smiling face due to happiness created by Shiva wearing the moon,

    Who has long dense blue tresses which shines by the moon she wears,

    And whose lotus like feet is worshipped by Indra and Upendra.


    Aadhikshantha makshara moortya vilasanteem,

    Bhoote bhoote bhootha kadamba prasavitreem,

    Sabdha brahma mayeem taam tatidhabhaam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 4


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who shines as the indestructible primary being,

    Who is the originator of all living and non living things,

    Who is the primeval sound and who shines like lightning.


    Moolaadharadutita reetya vidhirandram,

    Souram chandram vyapya vihara jwalithaangim,

    Yeyam sookshmaath sookshmatanustam sukha roopam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 5


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who as the power, which rises from mooladhara,

    Attains the effulgent form similar to sun and moon and shines like a flame.

    And who is subtler than the subtlest and is personification of pleasure.


    Nithya Shudho nishkala eko jagadheesa,

    Saakshi yasya sarga vidhou samharane cha,

    Viswatrana kreedana lolaam shiva patnim,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 6


    I salute my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who as the one eternal, pure, stainless goddess of universe,

    Witnesses its creation destruction and also upkeep,

    And who is the consort of Lord Shiva


    Yasya kukshou leela magandam jagadandam,

    Bhooyo bhooya pradhura bhoodutitameva,

    Patya saardham rajata shaile viharantim,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 7


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    In whose womb exists, the playful limitless universes like an egg,

    And Within whom also exists plentiful visible and invisible forms,

    And who occupies half her husband’s body and wanders in his silver mountain.


    Yasyamotaam protamasesham mani mala,

    Suthre yadwath kwapi charam chapya charam cha,

    Taam adyatma jnana vadavya gamaneeyam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 8


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who is a garland in which the mobile and immobile things,

    Are sewn and woven on a thread similar to beads and flowers,

    And who can be attained only through the path of spiritual knowledge.


    Naanakaarai shakti kadambhair bhuvanaani,

    Vyapya swairam kreedathi yeyam swayameka,

    Kalyanim taam kalpalataanath bhojam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 9


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who in varying forms of collection of powers,

    Occupies the world and plays with it in her own accord,

    Who is auspicious and who is the wish giving plant to those who bow to her.


    Asaapasa klesa vinasam vidhadhaanaam,

    Padham bhoja dhyana paraanaam purushaanaam,

    Esaam easaardhangaharaam taam abhiraamam,

    Gowri mamba maboorahakshie maham meede. 10


    I adore my mother Gauri, who has lotus like eyes,

    Who destroys the troubles due to desire and affection,

    Of those men who meditate on her lotus like feet,

    And who has captured half the body of Shiva and who is ever pleasing.


    Prata kale Bhava vishudhim vidha dhano,

    Bhaktya nityam jalpati Gowri dasakam ya,

    Vachaam sidhim sampadamuchai shiva bhakthim,

    Tasya vasyam parvata putri vidha dati. 11


    With a pure mind, right conduct and devotion, in the mornings,

    If any one at least murmurs these ten verses on Gowri,

    He would be blessed with words which become true,

    Would have great devotion to lord Shiva and

    And he daughter of the mountain would as a rule act as per his wishes.


    Originally Posted by Deathless:

    "I'm sorry, I couldn't finish reading your ridiculously long response."




    Please inform Deathless that Bhaktajan has been deleted many many times (by the MODERATOR) and so,

    Bhaktajan has amended his writting style of berating chasticements to be more acid and incisive and

    acceptable to remaining posted with the ultimate intention of shaving his aggrevator's Head and

    leaving a sikha.


    Then the Tilak. And then Bhaktajan will start his lecturing.


    And then . . . lessons in 'Overcoming Fear' pep talks will ensue . . . and then Bhaktajan will ignore Deathless-ness's haughty highnee.

    Hmmm... more inappropriate use of the third-person. It appears as if someone needs a grammar lesson!


    When referring to oneself, one uses the first person (I, me, my, etc...).


    When referring to the person one is speaking with in conversation, one uses the second person (you, yours, we, us, our, etc...).


    When referring to other people in general, one uses the third person (for example, the person's name).

  8. Finally! A brief and to-the-point reply! I'm so proud of you.


    Bhaktajan sought to show that “Devi’s” existence required finding an appropriate Husband.

    I like it that you talk about yourself in third person. Very intriguing!

    Your inappropriate use of the third-person shines much light on an esoteric subject that is usually lost to most samsara-ites.


    For example,


    1] Krishna's 'internal-pleasure potentcy' is considered feminine (the energy) and, Krishna is considered mascaline (the energetic).


    Krishna's 'internal-pleasure potentcy' could stay in a nidra-Narayana (Mahavishnu's sleep) state until the creative-potency stirs -- thus, necessitating the Masculine Feature of the Purusha (Persona) to consort with.


    IOW Hara awoke, thus, causing Adi-Purusha to sporting pastimes.


    2] If Durga exists then it is required to find the best suited husband . . . Voila! --and who do you think that would be?

    Although this is a wonderfully brief reply, I don't really see what Durga having a husband has to do with selling off virgins for afterlife benefits.


    But quote atleast 1 verse from Sattvic puranas,establishing Durgadevi's superiority of Sri Krsna.

    Just ONE.

    Classic Vaishnava stock attack. Note that the only scripture that classifies the Puranas in this way is the Bhagavata Purana, a Vaishnava scripture. Strangely enough, it only lists Vaishnava Puranas as Sattvic, while relegating those praising Devi to Raja Guna and those praising Shiva to Tama guna.


    Now, I wonder why a scripture aimed at promoting the worship of Vishnu would make such a claim? :rolleyes: Surely not just to promote the author's own religious tradition at the expense of all the other religious traditions!


    Does 'Vasudeva' ring a bell?


    "When I heard this dopey question, I thought about it" --[NOW, THAT"S MY SARCASISM HERE].


    Vaasudeva = Son of Vasudeva. [Vasudeva is husband of Devaki].


    How would you translate that? 'Demigod of the Vasu Tribe', and call Krishna a demigod? --[NOW, THAT"S NOT MY SARCASISM HERE].


    My response to you deathless is: "Good question :rolleyes:; It's for me to know and--for you to find out. Next, question."



    When I heard the name Vasudeva it thought of [i guess you'd have no idea what my depth of familarity with satra would be]:


    “In the Padma Puräëa it is said that in the spiritual world the Lord personally expands in all directions and is worshiped as Väsudeva, Saìkarñaëa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha.


    The same God is represented by the Deity in this material world, which is only one quarter of His creation. Väsudeva, Saìkarñaëa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha are also present in the four directions of this material world.


    There is a Vaikuëöhaloka covered with water in this material world, and on that planet is a place called Vedavaté, where Väsudeva is located. Another planet known as Viñëuloka is situated above Satyaloka, and there Saìkarñaëa is present. Similarly, in Dvärakä-puré, Pradyumna is the predominator.


    On the island known as Çvetadvépa, there is an ocean of milk, and in the midst of that ocean is a place called Airävaté-pura, where Aniruddha lies on Ananta.


    In some of the sätvata-tantras, there is a description of the nine varñas and the predominating Deity worshiped in each: (1) Väsudeva, (2) Saìkarñaëa, (3) Pradyumna, (4) Aniruddha, (5) Näräyaëa, (6) Nåsiàha, (7) Hayagréva, (8) Mahävaräha, and (9) Brahmä. “The Lord Brahmä mentioned in this connection is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.


    When there is no fit human being to empower as Lord Brahmä, the Lord Himself takes the position of Lord Brahmä. Tatra brahmä tu vijïeyaù pürvokta-vidhayä hariù. That Brahmä mentioned here is Hari Himself.


    Let us all chant the glories of Väsudeva along with His plenary expansions Pradyumna, Aniruddha and Saìkarñaëa.

    According to Païcarätra, Näräyaëa is the primeval cause of all expansions of Godhead. These are Väsudeva, Saìkarñaëa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha. Väsudeva and Saìkarñaëa are on the middle left and right, Pradyumna is on the right of Saìkarñaëa, and Aniruddha is on the left of Väsudeva, and thus the four Deities are situated. They are known as the four aides-de-camp of Lord Çré Kåñëa.

    Those expansions are the original Deities for all other truths, namely either viñëu-tattva or çakti-tattvas.

    Kåñëa is the first Näräyaëa. In the spiritual world (Vaikuëöha) there are unlimited numbers of Näräyaëas, who are all the same Personality of Godhead and are considered to be the plenary expansions of the original Personality of Godhead, Çré Kåñëa.

    The first form of the Lord Çré Kåñëa first expands Himself as the form of Baladeva, and Baladeva expands in so many other forms, such as Saìkarñaëa, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Väsudeva, Näräyaëa, Puruña, Räma and Nåsiàha. All these expansions are one and the same viñëu-tattva, and Çré Kåñëa is the original source of all the plenary expansions.

    He is therefore the direct Personality of Godhead. He is the creator of the material world, and He is the predominating Deity known as Näräyaëa in all the Vaikuëöha planets. Therefore, His movements amongst human beings is another sort of bewilderment.

    The Lord therefore says in the Bhagavad-gétä that foolish persons consider Him to be one of the human beings without knowing the intricacies of His movements.




    SB 4.3.23




    sattvaà viçuddhaà vasudeva-çabditaà




    yad éyate tatra pumän apävåtaù




    sattve ca tasmin bhagavän väsudevo




    hy adhokñajo me namasä vidhéyate



    çuddha-sattva, as described in this verse, is the transcendental position, which is technically called vasudeva. Vasudeva is also the name of the person from whom Kåñëa appears. This verse explains that the pure state is called vasudeva because in that state Väsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is revealed without any covering.

    In pure devotional service one simply serves the Supreme Personality of Godhead as a matter of duty, without reason and without being impeded by material conditions. That is called çuddha-sattva, or vasudeva, because in that stage the Supreme Person, Kåñëa, is revealed in the heart of the devotee. Çréla Jéva Gosvämé has very nicely described this vasudeva, or çuddha-sattva, in his Bhagavat-sandarbha.

    He explains that añöottara-çata (108) is added to the name of the spiritual master to indicate one who is situated in çuddha-sattva, or in the transcendental state of vasudeva. The word vasudeva is also used for other purposes. For example, vasudeva also means one who is everywhere, or all-pervading.

    The sun is also called vasudeva-çabditam. The word vasudeva may be utilized for different purposes, but whatever purpose we adopt, Väsudeva means the all-pervading or localized Supreme Personality of Godhead.


    In Bhagavad-gétä (7.19) it is also stated, väsudevaù sarvam iti. Factual realization is to understand Väsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and surrender unto Him.

    Vasudeva is the ground wherein Väsudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is revealed. When one is free from the contamination of material nature and is situated in pure Kåñëa consciousness, or in the vasudeva state, Väsudeva, the Supreme Person, is revealed.

    This state is also called kaivalya, which means “pure consciousness.” Jïänaà sättvikaà kaivalyam. When one is situated in pure, transcendental knowledge, one is situated in kaivalya.

    Therefore vasudeva also means kaivalya, a word which is generally used by impersonalists. Impersonal kaivalya is not the last stage of realization, but in Kåñëa consciousness kaivalya, when one understands the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then one is successful.

    I'm sorry, I couldn't finish reading your ridiculously long response.


    The only part I got to was where you said that Krishna's name, Vasudeva, only meant "son of Vasudeva". While it may be indicated, this name of Krishna also means 'the God of the Vasu tribe'. It has double significance.


    Note that he's never called "Nandaraj" when referred to as "son of Nanda". That would make no sense. He is called Nandanandana, son of Nanda, instead.


    I dont feel a need nor i support the word demi-god.Didnt u notice i included deva/deity.Does it give pleasure to you to focus on silly things?.Perhaps you like to play Dumb.

    But the translation you quoted doesn't actually say that. You just added it in parentheses.


    Unlike you i dont bi*tch if somebody translates a word differently.


    Enough said.Now can we expect some intelligent comments from you in future.

    I'd love to see how much you'd bitch is someone translated 'Vasudeva' as 'demigod of the Vasus' and then translated 'Mahadeva' as 'Great God'.


    Shankaracharya did bhakti.Krsna Bhakti.Prema Bhakti.


    Shankaracharya didn't just perform Krishna bhakti. He also worshiped Devi and Shiva. In addition to Bhaja Govinda, he also wrote Gauri Dashaka and Shiva Manas Puja.

    Vaishnavas always like to "point out" that Shankaracharya practiced Krishna bhakti, conveniently excluding the fact that he worshiped Shiva and Devi as well.


    "Bhaktajan seeks to show that “Devi’s” existence required finding an appropriate Husband"


    DEATHLESS, Your logic is indecipherable. IOW you don't know what you think you are saying --aka inarticulate.


    1) Calm down now and see the superiority of the wisdom of the sentiment.


    2) Since when is it virtually impossible to find a virgin --in your town?

    Since when does a women's virginity have NO VALUE?


    Is not a woman lacking her virginity readily available at a high-Maintanace price? Or is it, at a Low-Maintanace price in your town?


    "On the same level as some material object?"


    So being a woman is ABOVE being a material object? Do you mean to say, 'sublime'


    3) BTW, my post was not about YOU & YOUR SARCASISM.

    I was attempting to be sublime and show that scripture aims at cultivating advanced souls --by seeking the best Husband for a daughter.


    4) Deathless, slavery was ended with the American Civil war era in most 'civilized countries'. What you are talking about is more akin to, "sexual-stereo-typing" --which, ironically is made void by your respose.


    'same level as some material object' --We are spirit souls in a material body. Our body perfroms the works of the material field of activities.


    One must assess their own skills and abilities and sell it to prospective employers in order to make a living and to acheive pleasure(s) too.


    So, woman in the work force is a testiment to the state of affairs where life is too miserable for only one 'bread-winner' to suffice to 'make-it in life'.


    Oh if the divorce should rate ever stop rising then women would be free to stay home --instead of struggling to afford the basic needs coveted by vast majority of the common everyday blasé obese consumer.


    A singing contest rejects 'bad-singers' --THAT IS THE IDEA THAT YOU SHOULD REPLACE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED.


    5) Again, I was attempting to show that Vishnu was obliged to 'find' the best husband for Shakti-Devi [ergo, some one like, oh let's say, Lord Shiva would fit the position].


    So by extention, I posted the postulation [derived from the story of the first ekadasi fast: Utpanna Ekadasi] that God may have started as a silent sleeping ''unbornunmanifest" state of Brahman --until Shakti was moved to act --and thus “Devi’s” existence required finding an appropriate Husband".


    This is a sublime act, supported by scripture that aims at cultivating advanced souls --by seeking the best Husband for a daughter.


    6) BTW, name a place where prostitution is illegal [FYI, it existed in vedic times] and It will be shown that the black-market pimps operate without ever paying state taxes for 'earned income'.


    7) Still don't see my point? What constitutes a "great woman"? Nothing worth any price worth paying? It is without material value? So what do those dating sites list as attractive 'sales pitches'?


    8) Get Real.


    9) Ok. Maybe there are still plenty of virgins available for any one who gave a darn, about queuing up, in advance for exclusive rights --to something fleeting and purpousless as something like 'virginity'?


    I guess when it comes to enlightenment --your advise is: Don't place any value on the virginity of society's maidens --since it's a myth and a figment of imagination without any worth?


    This has to be one of the longest posts I've ever seen in reply to such a short post! Can you please summarize this?


    Your comment indicates it effects you.

    And your comments indicated panic and anger.


    "PLSSS, don't speculate." Hahaha


    Now get to the point . will you???.


    Worshipping demigods(devas) is not a bad thing as per bhagavadgita.


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    Why do you feel the need to call certain gods and goddesses 'demi--half--gods' and 'demi--half--goddesses' but not others?


    Do you also call certain animals 'demi-animals'? Or certain people 'half-people'? If so, what makes them only half and not whole?



    BG 7.21: I am in everyone's heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to worship some demigod(deva/deity), I make his faith steady so that he can devote himself to that particular deity.

    BG 7.22: Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a particular demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are bestowed by Me alone.

    Do you realize that the word you translate as 'demigod' [deva] is also used to describe Krishna? Does 'Vasudeva' ring a bell? How would you translate that? 'Demigod of the Vasu Tribe', and call Krishna a demigod?


    Originally Posted by Deathless:

    Women aren't people. They are property on the same level as money, food, land, and cows.


    Real nice.




    I presume you are speaking with distain?


    Do you remeber Jessica Lynch? --She's not alone.




    Maybe the good goveners of places like West Virginia know what women in their constituency know about what they are going to do with their bumper-crop surplus of recent High-School graduates?


    Maybe there are no righteous women that you have ever made the acquaintance of?


    Two things are guaranteed in life: Paying your taxes & Death.


    Society requires noble men and women to teach our children well --or else working for a living will be a hardship.

    What? Did you completely misunderstand me? I was being sarcastic. I know many righteous women, hence the reason I would never put women on the same level as some material object as that verse did.
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