Raman Deep Singh

Hi everyone,

Cn you kindly explain about this.Though i have got little bit clarity about it

but i would love if someone can express this more explicitly.... and make us understand..

What is the difference between Arudha of 6th house and 6th house fomr Arudha lagna.... Infact for any house how to use it....like A5 and 5th house from AL.....

How to use and understand them separately...

 

Regards,

Raman

just wanan to bring up this topic

 

I have a general query.It is said that, While match making during "marriage" natives having rahu or ketu in their 7th house, Should match with the person having either rahu or ketu in the same 7th house. How far its true?

 

No nothing like that.....

 

Raman

 

Dear raman ji

 

If you recollect that as you said if planests in sandhi give effects of previous house so i mentioned it to have you views

 

Any ways i am sorry i asked question addressing you

 

regards

 

Swapnil

 

 

Dear Swapnil,

There is nothing to be sorry about.......I mentioned coz when u start a topic about some technical discussion it shud go around that technicality rather moved on to personal question that also in bits and pisces which many do......

Otherwise i will be more than happy to clarify your queries with my little knowledge... :-)

 

I mentioned about considering planet from previous house in case of when planet is retro....coz being retro it does tend to give result from previous house....that is why retro is so crucial coz it ends up effetcing around 8 houses in case it has got 3 aspects like jupiter, sat or mars...

 

I hope i was clear...

 

Regards,

Raman

Hi kandaalam,

I will try to give a general idea about awastha...

Bala(infant), Kumara(youthful), Yuva(adoloscent),vridha(advanced or old) and mrita(deceased)....

 

Now further these awasthas are divided into sub-awasthas...

Their results as per their awastha .. you can compare them to human himself and you will understand how to apply them in astrology.....

Like mrita.....wont be of much use even if in high exhaltation......

 

Hope i was able to give you some clarity..

 

Regards,

Raman

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Dear ved_ram ji,

Very well said . It is true and infact if you take in that case ashtakavarga also it wont be sensible to apply that straight away without considering its palcement anf aspect...Like a vridh awastha of planet with with strong shadbala and strong BAV will not give as good as result as well aspected , well placed ,strong shadbala and good BAV will give..

 

As it is said all this go hand in hand...

I definetely agree with you... :-)

 

Regards,

Raman

Please swpnil..I have mentioned this many times this in other forum and here also that please dont do astrology of bits and pisces.....

If you wanna ask something ask that with what you u suffering and if you want technical detaisl.. ask for technical details.....this especially goes when chart belongs to the person like you in this case..what happens is you tend to get biased when u looking at your own chart...and you actually going from one end to another... why u asked about sade satti when it is not there and how come you think vargottam of 0 degree will make a difference... Kindly explain...

 

Regards,

Raman

Hi Swapnil,

I have not seen this chart in detail but will mention about few things you have mentioned about. I this chart sat is yogakarka and placed in 6th house exhalted.. and deb in D-9 and placed with jup in D-9 and with mars in D-1... sat is AK nd so on....

 

Sade satti wont be so bad BUT it will coz a type of frustration coz of useless obstacles which will coz delay though NOT stopping WORK but will DELAY...the work..

 

I think last phase of sade satti shud be something this native shud take care of though many will say that about 2nd phase but i will conern 3rd phase to be more full of tension will coz him/trouble.....

 

But this native wont have much of trouble opther than frustration and this will get elevate coz of his moon.....

 

Regards,

Raman

Hi mylilangel ji,

I will try to put few points here.

 

First of all saturn is placed in 7th house and is retro of very low degree thus we can consider it to effect its previous house more... and one of the best thing is rahu in less than 2 degree with 7th lord and both of them represent quick or things in shoprt duration but been placed with sun this also shows something better...

thus was thins something like "CHAT MANGANI PAT VIVAH"......i mean very less duration between settlling of marriage and things start getting worked out.... and early mariage also as per their belief coz of mercury but again palvcement of sun should also be considered thus we can cum down to somewhere things got quite sure before geting into mariage...this also gets confirmation in D-9.....

Rahu-mercury aspect does give a surety of quick thing...Also aspect of rahu on 5th lord again gives surety of an affair and may be with some one of rather lower caste/background...

 

If this is girls chart than there r quite a chance of having intercaste affair...Please mention the gender of native too

 

Presense of saturn in 7th house of both D-1 and D-9 will give settlement in marriage litle bit late(with this idea of getting married)...Though later on marriage will get more settled and definetely much better but initial stage will be tough and would have required lot of effort....

 

Further detaisl i will mention late..gotta g now

Regards,

Raman

Please put your place rather than cordinates.

 

Raman

Hope my advise would be helpful in case you r looking for an answer... but if you wanna learn astrology this way by asking short questions..I dont think it is a right way....

 

Regards,

Raman

 

kindly view my horoscope and u may find saturn is in the 4th pada of vishaka(jup) sar and is it beneficial being in pushkar navamsa. It is within 2.20 degree in scorpio. I have read somewhere if any planet is in pushkar navamsa it is very strong and should behave favourably. What is ur opinion.

 

Hi Rvraj,

You r asking all personal questions in form of technical question.The opinion u r talking about is general idea about venus bhukti in sat or whatever it is ..If it would have been so easy we all goto uttarakalamitra and BPHSn and according to different positions of planter read what it meand and what is going to happen....I think rather than asking what this mean and what that mean .. ask question or query which is concerning you.. it will make task of person who is answering you easier...Now if you gonna ask what is meaning of so and so lagna and wat makes difference if raashi is so and so.. and then end up concluding urself what will happen.......

 

So i will advise you .. you better think of question which is concerning you and trait of urs which is important or irritating to you and then ask question....

 

Regards,

Raman

Rightly said by webyogi ji, I will say that specially about jupiter's aspect.eve if it is not so strong its aspect on 7th house (or 7th lord) wil coz marriage in its own caste.... Its aspect counteract all other combinations almost....

 

It is mentioned by BV Raman ji and i hav found thi strue in many cases that 2-12 of rahu/Venus does result in marriage to other aste and if this has anything to do with 5th house or lord it will result in an affair with other caste.......

5-9 of mars and Venus also can add on to this....this also is a strong indication....

 

Regards,

Raman

Hello deepa ji and everyone,

Thank and its very well explained deepa ji..One thing i would like to ask.. When to time that native is gonna come back home or gona leave the foreign land.

 

Generally it is said that end of that dasa in which he has gone like dasa of 3rd lord or 12th lord will end native shud come back home but this generally never happens.

 

So can everyone of you put when we suppose to come back from foreign land....

 

Regards,

Raman

Has to be shukla paksha.... or u can say waxing or increasing moon.

 

Raman

I think you shud try CS patel's book on navamsa..Its too good and one of the best written on navamsa.

 

I will comment on your question soon.

Raman

Nice to have you here VK Shridhar ji..

Its a nice article...

 

Raman

Hello MRM ji,

Thank you for replying....

Can you bit more elaborate about your view and the view you have presented..

 

Regards,

Raman

Dear MRM ji,

You are right this view ALSO exists that fixed raashi will lead to 3rd house as badhak.. But since coolgimmy was willing to know about difference and how to differentiate in particular lagna or situation it is better idea to clarify how to approach..when same planet is giving both results and playing part of 2 important roles.....then how to understand.....

Which badhak is to be considered is bit controversial....

 

Regards,

Raman

Hi coolgimmy,

I hope you would not mind me jumping in between you and webyogi ji :-) I wwill try to explain about this......

Badhakesh is more about badha or obastacle since badhkesh originates from badhaka raashi thus for leo lagna it will be aries not scorpio....

Then badhakesh is placed in its own house that also in kendra making it further strong and thus positive becoming part of pillars of life...Though if you look from raashi dasa point of view(generally chara raashi dasa) you shud be more cautious of aries dasa rather than scorpio also coz mars is placed in scorpio....

Jupiter is retro and of not very high degree thus it will giv effect of being placed in 4th house also making 4th house mroe stronger though not very coz of being retro....

One of the major FACT is placement of saturn in 12th house to badhakesh this could have been drastic.... but again it is placed in it exhalted house thus reducing its negativity and adding further force......

 

Now secondly mars is yogakaraka.....which is means "coz of materializing of yoga"... Its purity is repeatedly mentioned by many in modern as well as ancient times....

 

Even if a planet is badhak and yogakarka placed in its own house and having little effect of natural benefic of first degre its basic quality of manifesting of yoga will get enhanced though being badhak it will not loose its whole proprty of being badhak thus it will coz some type of OBSTACLE while work related to religion or performing any sankalp or construction of temple and so on...... and in other fields also but obstacle will be more just less duration and less intensity as compare to its force which native will get to get the task complete.....

 

Regards,

Raman

Dear Rajeev ji,

this is indeed a very interesting topic to make a discussion coz people do make it soud more horrible then it is ....

 

I generally i found this yoga to effetc more of native's mind and make him biased about his decision and his thought process. which actually is quite faulty as per general point of view..

they dont realise that what they r thinking to do or planning to do is MORALLY not right and thus they shud reconsider it ..

 

As it is mentioned by few that what actually happens coz of this yoga is that people do immoralistic things and they end up paying for it GENERALLY directly of indirectly and end up blaming word for this.......

So basically it does makes native's ind quite narrow and biased...

 

Regards,

Raman

It seems that you give more importance to Arudha Lagnas(Special Jaimini Lagnas) in

 

vargas than the usual Asc. for that particular varga. Going by this, can i say that A7 &

 

AL in D9 are to be given importance for marriage/relationship issues. A4 & AL in D4

 

for House Matters, i.e planets in dusthanas to A4 in D4 and badly placed wrt AL in D4

 

can cause change of residence.

 

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

 

Each lagna has a specific purpose. I give importance to arudha lagna and special lagnas

 

of Parasara, but I give importance to normal lagna also.

 

For example, if I were to guess your career (assuming the D-10 you gave to be

 

accurate), I would look at 10th from *lagna* and noting that 10th lord Mercury is in 8th in

 

Aries, I would predict an uneasy and dynamic career in high-tech software, logic and

 

analysis.

 

Lagna is satya peetha (Truth) and arudha lagna is maayaa peetha (illusion). Your status

 

(e.g. powerful, weak, boss, servant) is an illusion, but your nature (nice, dominating,

 

scholarly) is the truth. Influences on lagna in D-10 show your nature and influences on

 

AL in D-10 show your status.

 

The 10th house from lagna shows the karma (action, i.e. work done in career). If you do

 

logical and analytical work (because 10th is in Gemini), it is the truth. But workplace and

 

its status are an illusion and they are seen from the arudha pada (maya/illusion) of 10th

 

house.

 

If one understands what houses and their arudha padas stand for, one will realize that

 

the two are not mutually exclusive and that they are equally important.

 

DaraPada

 

Can you please brief about Darapada?

 

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

 

A7: Arudhapada of the seventh house is also called the DARAPADA and is used to

 

determine the sexuality of the individual. It is the place from where the native comes

 

across members of the opposite sex and is physically attracted towards them.

 

Upapada

 

 

 

I have a continuing interest in Sanjay's explanation of the Upapada. Some time ago,

 

Sanjay explained that the Upapada and its second were actually opposites, with the

 

Upapada being the beginning of married life, and the second being the end of it. I also

 

recall Sanjay's advise that one should look at where Ketu is located relative to the

 

Upapada, since it is a first rate benefic. Sanjay, in addition to Frank's questions, I have

 

another one that's related. If Ketu behaves in this manner (i.e. as a benefic), what is the

 

significance of Ketu when it's placed within the Upapada?

 

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

 

Fortunate is the man who is to be guided in the Divine path by his spouse. That is the

 

meaning of Ketu in Upapada. Ketu gives Kulasya Unnatim in Upapada and the family

 

rises. Spouse is very spiritual, especially after 43 years, but can be whimsical and will

 

also have other characteristics seen in Sadhu's. Unless Darapada aspects Upapada, the

 

sexuality will not be the focus of marriage.

 

Darapada and Upapada

 

REPLY BY PT.SANJAY RATH FOR A QUESTION ON DARAPADA AND

 

UPAPADA

 

This difference between the darapada and the Upapada is to be examined in the

 

Divisions as well. For example, the Darapada indicates all PARTNERS. The first is

 

spouse your spouse for life and the second is Your bed partner (s) depending on the

 

level of promiscuity in the chart. The third is the Business and partners. Thus, the first

 

two are seen from the Navamsa whereas the last is seen from the Dasamsa in addition

 

to the Rasi chart. If the readings of the rasi and Navamsa/ dasamsa as the case maybe

 

are the same, then the event will surely happen. If there is a doubt, then the reading of

 

the divisional chart shall prevail.

 

REPLY BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

 

Along the same lines, one can say that darapada (arudha pada of 7th house) in

 

D-24 (chart of learning and intellect) shows one's partners in intellectual activities

 

and darapada in D-20 (chart of religious and spiritual activities) shows one's

 

partners in religious activities.

 

You have darapada in Pisces in D-24 and D-20. It is occupied by Jupiter in D-24.

 

These may be the reasons for your association with ISKCON swamis and other

 

religious people in the matter of intellectual and religious activities. Darapada in

 

Pisces with Jupiter in it, in D-24, can show intellectual association with religious

 

people or people learned in traditional sastras or people with Pisces lagna or

 

people with a strong Jupiter. (We two havelagna and 3 planets in same rasis in

 

D-24 and I also have the same combination in D-24. So I may also have

 

intellectual association with similar people.)

 

To give another example, Nehru had Venus (with 5 bindus in a sign with 35

 

bindus!!) in darapada in D-24 and hence he had intellectual association with

 

refined, diplomatic and cultured people represented by Venus.

 

A client who is a journalist by profession - he was nominated for the Pulitzer once

 

- has Sun with 6 bindus in Cancer in darapada in D-24! This shows intellectual

 

association with art loving politicians and people in the high society.

 

REPLY BY PT.SANJAY RATH

 

That is truly brilliant. I thought that none would ever get that about the D-20 Chart

 

of mine. You have again proved your mettle. Do you recall that once i mentioned

 

that Jupiter in my chart represents Sri Jagannath Mahaprabhu. During Leo Dasa

 

Pisces antardasa, I traveled to Puri and had many beautiful days at Puri.

 

The problem is that most people take Jupiter to mean Lord Siva or Indra blindly.

 

This is not correct. Jupiter represents the Kula and Ista devata first. I am a

 

Brahmin from Puri and Jupiter will represent My Guru's, Sri Jagannatha (Ista

 

Devata) and Sri Somanath (Shiva) (Kula devata) when considered with the

 

Devata karaka, Atmakaraka and Amatyakaraka respectively.

 

Darapada

 

 

 

Could you please clarify this fine point. Do you find Darapada in the Rashi chart (in my

 

case it would be my 10th House with Saturn, Rahu in Gemini) and look at where Gemini

 

is in Divisional charts or do I find the Darapada in each Divisional charts individually

 

and judge them?

 

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

 

You find darapada in EACH divisional chart treating it as a rasi chart. Darapada shows

 

partners in general. In rasi/navamsa, it can show bed partners. In dasamsa, it can show

 

business partners and colleagues in career. When Sanjay mentioned these points, I was

 

saying that darapada in D-24 shows partners in the pursuit of knowledge and darapada

 

in D-20 shows partners in spiritual progress.

 

10th house from Arudha Lagna

 

 

 

I know that any planet in the 10th from Lagna is good for the native in giving material

 

success. Isn't this true with their placement in the 10th from Arudha lagna. This is with

 

reference to your mail saying that retrograde Saturn in the 10th from AL cause

 

hindrances to material success.

 

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

 

Not with a malefic, even if he is the lord of Arudha Lagna. In the case of a minister of the

 

Delhi Government having Kanya (Virgo) lagna with Saturn in exaltation in the second,

 

and the AL in Capricorn, with the advent of Saturn dasa he was accused of having illicit

 

relations and a child from a servant. He also broke his leg. I advised Rudrabhishek and

 

pacification with the Mritunjaya mantra (Parasara) and he came out of the mess.

 

In the case of Dr. Murli manohar Joshi present Minister (Cabinet-HRD) in GOI, Jupiter is

 

in the 8th house in Virgo (Lagna is Aquarius). Everybody said that bad days were ahead,

 

whereas I predicted that he will become a senior minister and will also have an excellent

 

reputation due to Jupiter being in the 10th house from Arudha lagna (in Sagittarius).

 

These predictions have become true and the reasons are also clear.

 

3rd from Arudha lagna

 

 

 

What is the reasoning behind 3rd from AL showing the place of death, in my chart 3rd

 

from AL is Sagittarius which is the lagna itself with Mercury, which is a maraka and also

 

Maheshwara for the chart, so does that make Sagittarius and Mercury killers in my chart.

 

ANSWER BY MR.GAURANGA DAS

 

The 3rd sign from AL shows place of death. The planets in it or aspecting it by Rasi

 

Drsihti show the cause of death. What is the logic behind this? Arudha Lagna represents

 

the body. The 3rd from it is the 8th from the 8th, thus showing the end of life or the

 

causes thereof. The 3rd from Jupiter is indicative of the spouse's death circumstances.

 

The 3rd from the stronger of Sun and Venus shows the same for father, the 3rd from the

 

stronger of Moon and Mars for mother. So the Sthira Karakas have to be used.

 

Jaimini also explains more rules:

 

Look at the 3rd and 8th from AL as well. Usually the 3rd will determine death, but if the

 

8th is stronger then 8th one. Look at the Navamshas ocuppied by the planets conjoining

 

these houses. These are called death inflicting Navamshaas, and they or the 2nd or 6th

 

from them may give a clue to the cause and circumstances of death. this is all given in

 

the Upadesha Sutras.

 

I just looked the chart of a Tuberculosis patient, who has Moon, Mars and Jupiter in

 

Pisces in the 3rd from AL. This is a sure combination for death due to Tuberculosis and

 

Pneumonia. Moon points to pulmonary diseases, Mars to operations and Jupiter to

 

vomiting or throat choking. But Pisces is a benefic sign showing a nice place for death

 

(maybe a holy place as the person is a devotee of Krishna), and Jupiter shows

 

awareness at the time of death. Besides that Jupiter in Pisces is conducive to Moksha.

 

3rd from Arudha lagna

 

 

 

I follow the logic about the 8th house (transformation death) but not sure if you explained

 

the reason for 3rd house. How does Parashara explain?

 

ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

 

3rd is the Pada for the 8th i.e. 8th from the 8th and will give the place of death. This is

 

seen from Audha Lagna. Jaimini gives a lot of details about this. For example the AL of

 

Mahatma Gandhi was in Cancer and the third from this is Virgo (Garden) with the Sun

 

(Small firearms etc.) in it. He was assassinated while strolling in the garden with a bullet

 

from a gun. Thus the teachings of Parasara and Jaimini are right.

 

Upapada compatibility

 

 

 

Regarding upaPada matching, I suppose matching means both upaPada lords have to be

 

friends. Do SamaSaptama upaPadas fine?? Can we consider temporary friendship also

 

(planets with four rasi's on either side).

 

ANSWER BY MR.GAURANGA DAS

 

Upapada compatibility means that the Upapada in one chart should be in

 

trines/opposition to the LAGNA of the other chart and Vice versa, meaning the Lagna of

 

one chart should be in trine/opp. to the UPAPADA in other chart. If they are in trines/opp

 

to each other, then an arranged marriage may be suspected, but if the real Upapada

 

matching is not there, it won't work in the log run. If the Upapada in one chart is in

 

trines/opp/ to the ARUDHA LAGNA of the other chart, then the marriage is based only

 

on external things, like the groom is old but rich, and the bride wants his money, etc.

 

OM TAT SAT

6. Analyze the different houses from it (i.e take the house as Lagna).For example he 2nd

 

from it will show the Phala, the 3rd the relations, the 4th the place, the 5th the

 

consequences, the 6th the enemies, the 7th the partners, the 8th the longevity, the 9th

 

the dharma, the 10th the karma, the 11th the gains, the 12th the losses connected to the

 

significations of that house. E.g. lord of any house in the 12th from it may bring the

 

decrease of the results of that house. Please also take into consideration that 3rd and

 

8th give life to it, whether 2nd and 7th give death.

 

This way of analysis may be extended to any house, Arudha, etc.

 

QUESTION 7.Do you look for yogas taking the arudha lagna in question

 

as a lagna?

 

ANSWER 7.Yes, there's a possibility to do this, same as from Surya Lagna,

 

Chandra Lagna, Varnada etc. and other special Lagnas, taking into consideration the

 

properties of that type of Lagna.

 

QUESTION 8. Say looking at arudha lagna in D12 chart, do you take it as

 

lagna and look at the whole chart as such?

 

ANSWER 8.Yes, you may do that, and this will show how others perceive of you

 

in relation to your parents.

 

QUESTION 9. The same for A9? take it as lagna and analyse the chart as

 

such?

 

ANSWER 9. Same. Please also consider Narasimha's mail on Residence on the

 

VA list.

 

I have one more question to ask regarding the aruda and its interpretation.

 

If a Planet is a functional malefic with respect to lagna but is owning a quadrant/trine

 

wrt AL. How do you interpret the effects of the said planet. wrt lagna the effects can be

 

bad or mixed , however wrt AL it is supposed to be a RY. Does it mean that the said

 

planet will be a good benefactor in the eyes of the world while in reality it may not be so?

 

ANSWER BY Mr.GAURANGA DAS

 

Correct. You're on the right path.

 

 

 

What does the arudha mean? I'm aware of the Arudha padas, being used to determine

 

the Maya and illusion of the world, but in simple terms this does confuse me.

 

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

 

Lagna shows the true self and arudha lagna shows the perceived self. It shows how the

 

world perceives a person.

 

Let us take the 5th house, for example, which rules intelligence and success in

 

competition. Whether you are intelligent or not relates to your true self and the 5th house

 

from lagna shows it. But success in competition is a measure of your intelligence in the

 

view of this world. These measures are simply an illusion. A person considered by the

 

world as smart may not be that smart and the world may not realize the

 

intelligence of a really smart person. This world is constantly under illusion and we form

 

impressions about people that need not be correct. Arudha lagna shows this. If you want

 

to judge a person's success in competition, you should prefer arudha lagna to lagna, as

 

it is related to the illusion of the world.

 

Now the issue is: what is reality and what is an illusion? I do not think I can teach that to

 

you. This realization should come to you on its own.

 

I can teach this hundred times, but one will correctly understand this only when it is in

 

one's destiny. But I will try again. Try to think about it after reading.

 

Lagna shows the true self. Houses from lagna qualify it. Arudha lagna shows perceived

 

self (the image of the self in this world) and houses from it qualify it.

 

Arudha pada of nth house shows the things based on which the world forms an

 

impression about the matters of nth house. We form an impression about one's

 

happiness from vehicles based on the vehicle he owns. If one owns a BMW, we think he

 

is happy. If one owns a Toyota Tercel, we may think that he is unhappy. Based on how

 

good (supposedly) a car one owns, we conclude how happy one is. That is simply an

 

illusion.

 

One's true happiness from vehicles is shown by the 4th house from lagna (in D-16, the

 

chart of vehicles and comforts). One's car is shown by A4 (arudha pada of 4th) in D-16,

 

as one's car is the thing based on which the world forms an impression about one's

 

happiness from vehicles. If A4 is strong and 4th is weak, one has a supposedly good car

 

but unhappy. If A4 is weak and 4th is strong, one has a supposedly bad car, but happy.

 

When you take a divisional chart and a house, understand its true meaning. Understand

 

which matter it shows. Then try to come up with the thing based on which the world

 

forms an impression about that matter. That thing will be what the arudha pada of that

 

house shows!

 

 

 

With regard to lagna and Arudha lagna, I'm a little unclear on the following written by

 

Sanjay and mentioned by you also:

 

Lagna is the seat of truth and exposes the physical layer, while arudha lagna is the seat

 

of illusion and shows the materialistic layer of life and perceptions.

 

To me, there is little difference between the physical layer, and the materialistic layer.

 

Can you explain how to differentiate?

 

ANSWER BY MR.NARASIMHA RAO

 

The word "physical" that I used doesn't exactly describe it. Lagna shows true self and

 

arudha lagna shows perceived self. Arudha lagna (AL) has to do with "maya" or illusions

 

of this world. I have already given a couple of examples.

 

Whether one is intelligent and sharp has to do with true self (lagna), whereas AL is the

 

best to see whether one is perceived as a sharp person or not. Success in competitions

 

and fame are things that measure inherent abilities (of true self) with the yardsticks of

 

this world. So they have to do with perceived self and AL is better. This is why I suggest

 

5th from lagna for intelligence and 5th from arudha lagna for fame and success in

 

competitions.

 

The 9th house shows foreign residence and also fortune. Foreign residence is not a

 

matter of illusion or perception. If one lives far away from his birthplace, it is the truth and

 

it has to do with true self. On the other hand, whether one is fortunate or not is based on

 

the illusions and perception yardsticks of material world and AL is more important.

 

Material prosperity (like money) may have to do with both true self and perceived self,

 

but perceptions are perhaps more important. I have seen 1st, 2nd and 11th from AL to

 

be more useful when judging Sudasa (dasa used for money), for example. If 8th from

 

lagna contains 11th from AL, one may work hard (physical self under strain) and

 

increase bank balance (material gains) during the Sudasa of that sign.

 

Whether one has the happiness of a vehicle or not has to do with true self. But whether

 

one owns an expensive car or a cheap car is a matter of perceptions and illusions of

 

material world and so arudha is important.

 

In essence, arudhas deal with perceptions. They deal with things and concepts that have

 

to do with perceptions and that come into being because of the many illusions of this

 

material world. On the contrary, lagna deals with what is real, true and intrinsic.

 

Narayan's summary is one apt way of saying it. A better way of saying it is: one deals

 

with what is true and one with illusions. But it is really tough to teach this concept clearly.

 

One has to 'feel' it and realize it by oneself.

 

If you are under strong Venusian influence and are too swayed by the "maya" of

 

materialistic Venus, you may not understand this concept or understand it incorrectly.

 

What is 'real' and what is 'illusive' can differ from person to person, based on one's natal

 

and dasa influences.

This is a nice article on Arudha:-

 

Arudha Padas: This terminology refers to how one is “perceived” by others. This is about illusions and maya associations, versus the actual “reality” of a situation - or how we distinguish between what is actually “real”, and what is actually an “illusion” of our material world.

 

How we judge people is very often guided by our illusions – or the maya of our material world – whereas in reality, the situation may actually be much different than that of our maya perception. So we need to understand how to actually distinguish between the illusions present in our material world versus the actual reality.

 

 

 

Specific Names of Arudha Padas:

 

 

 

Bhava Arudha Specific

 

A1 Arudha lagna, Pada lagna, Arudha, pada

 

A2 Dhanarudha, Vittarudha, Dhana pada, Vittta pada

 

A3 Bhatrarudha, Bhratri pada, Vikramarudha, Vikrama pada

 

A4 Matri pada, Vahana pada, Sukha pada, Matrarudha, Vahanarudha, Sukharudha

 

A5 Mantra pada, Mantrarudha, Putrarudha, Putra pada, Buddhi pada

 

A6 Roga pada, Satru pada, Rogarudha, Satrarudha

 

A7 Dara pada, Dararudha

 

A8 Mrityu pada, Kashta pada, Kashtarudha, Randhrarudha

 

A9 Bhagya pada, Bhagyarudha, Pitri pada, Pitrarudha, Dharma pada, Guru pada

 

A10 Karma pada, Karmarudha, Swarga pada, Swargarudha, Rajya pada

 

A11 Labha pada, Labharudha

 

A12 Upapada lagna, Upapada, Gaunapada, Vyayarudha, Moksha pada

 

 

 

For some of the best info I have come across on Arudhas, please refer to page 72 in Narasimha’s book Vedic Astrology - An Integrated Approach. There are also Graha Arudhas – refer to page 79 for computations. These show the illusions of the native… Narasimha’s book is an excellent resource book with information on many of the classical techniques, and well worth the price and place in your library.

 

 

 

Below is detailed information on Arudha’s and their manner of calculation. Better information I have not found in any book or online. The contributions below were written years back by Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao – two very strong advocates for the usage of Arudhas – along with a variety of other very interesting Parashara and Jaimini techniques. Their contributions to the world of Astrology are quite remarkable.

 

 

EXPLANATION OF ARUDAPADA BY PT.SANJAY RATH

 

 

 

The term Arudha Pada is also commonly called PADA. Arudha means "MOUNT" and

 

refers to the IMAGE of a sign falling on another due to "reflection of the rays emanating

 

from it and being reflected by its lord.

 

Keeping the reflection in view, the Karaka (Significator) can be taken to be the Moon.

 

Count from a sign to its lord. Then count as many signs from the lord to arrive at the

 

ARUDHA PADA. For example, if the Lagna Lord is in the fifth house, then count five

 

signs from the Lagna lord to arrive at the ninth house. This ninth house becomes the

 

arudha Pada for the Lagna.

 

Exception: The Arudha Pada cannot be in the same sign or the seventh from it. In case

 

this happens, then choose the tenth house therefrom. For example, if the Lagna Lord is

 

in the 4th house, then the Arudha lagna should be in the 4th from the 4th house i.e. the

 

7th house. But since this is not allowed, the tenth therefrom should be chosen. The tenth

 

from the 7th house is the 4th house and the 4th house becomes the Arudha Lagna.

 

This is also called PADA LAGNA or ARUDHA LAGNA. In this manner we can compute

 

the Arudha Pada for all the houses and these are called Dhana Pada (2nd), Bhratripada

 

(3rd), Matri Pada (4th), Mantrapada (5th), Satrupada (6th), Dara Pada (7th), Roga pada

 

(8th), Bhagyapada (9th), Rajyapada (10th), Labhapada (11th) and Upapada (12th).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ANOTHER DETAILAED PRESENTATION ON ARUDA BY MR.NARASIMHA

 

RAO

 

World is swayed by maya

 

A gentleman I know owns a scooter, with which he is very happy. He owned it for 15

 

years and he is very fond and proud of it. He rides it to work everyday. I know another

 

gentleman who owns three fine cars, but not happy with any of them and always hoping

 

to buy something better.

 

If you ask someone, "which of these two gentlemen is more blessed with happiness from

 

vehicles – the one with a scooter or the one with three cars", the answer you are likely to

 

get is "the one with three cars".

 

The world has its own perceptions. The material world is swayed by maya or illusion.

 

The same thing is true for most aspects of life.

 

If I tell you when you come to me that a central minister just left my home after

 

astrological consultations, you will probably think that I am a good astrologer. If I tell you

 

in our first meeting that I don't demand a fixed fee for my astrological consultations and

 

take whatever clients happily give, you will probably think that I am not a good

 

astrologer. Is every astrologer consulted by central ministers necessarily good? Can't an

 

astrologer who does not demand a large fee be good?

 

If I tell you I did my B.Tech at IIT, you will probably think that I am a smart person. If I tell

 

you I did my B.Tech at "Varala Venkata Subbayya Engineering College", you will

 

probably not get the same impression. Is everyone at IIT necessarily smarter than

 

everyone at the latter college? Probably not. However, we always jump to conclusions

 

and form ideas and perceptions that are possibly wrong, because we are swayed by the

 

maya of this material world. Outer trappings matter more than the inner truth.

 

How people perceive and judge a native is guided by the maya of this material world.

 

Those perceptions are merely illusions and the reality can be different from them.

 

The question in front of astrologers is: "How do we distinguish between the illusions of

 

the material world and the reality?"

 

The answer to this important question lies in the use of arudha padas, defined by

 

Parasara and Jaimini.

 

Computing arudha padas

 

Arudha pada of a house is computed using the following method:

 

(1) Rule: Measure the number of signs from the house of interest to its lord. Measure the

 

same number of signs from the lord. The resultant sign contains the arudha pada of the

 

house.

 

Example 1: Lagna is in Gemini and Mercury is in Aries. Let us say we need to find (a)

 

arudha lagna (arudha pada of the 1st house) and (b) matri pada (arudha pada of 4th

 

house).

 

Solution: (a) Lagna is in Gemini. Its lord Mercury is in Aries, i.e., 11th from Gemini.

 

Count the 11th house from Mercury. It is Aquarius. So arudha lagna is in Aquarius.

 

(b) The 4th house is in Virgo. Its lord Mercury is in 8th from it. Counting the 8th from

 

Mercury, we get Scorpio. So matri pada is in Scorpio.

 

(2) Exception: Arudha pada of a house cannot be in the 1st or 7th from the house. If the

 

arudha pada computed above falls in the 1st or 7th from the original house for which we

 

are finding arudha pada, then the 10th house from what was found above becomes the

 

arudha pada.

 

NOTE: It may be noticed that arudha pada of a house can only be in the 3rd, 4th, 5th,

 

9th, 10th and 11th from the house. This is because the illusion is always separated from

 

the reality.

 

Example 2: Lagna is in Aries and Sun is in Aquarius. Let us say we need to find mantra

 

pada (arudha pada of 5th house).

 

Solution: From Aries lagna, the 5th house is in Leo. From Leo, its lord Sun is in 7th.

 

Counting the 7th from Sun, we get Leo itself. But arudha pada of a house cannot be in

 

the house itself or the 7th from it. So we find the 10th from what we found above, i.e.

 

Leo, and get Taurus.

 

Example 3: Lagna is in Taurus and Moon is in Libra. Let us say we need to find bhratri

 

pada (arudha pada of 3rd house).

 

Solution: From Taurus lagna, the 3rd house is in Cancer. From Cancer, its lord Moon is

 

in 4th. Counting the 4th from Moon, we get Capricorn (7th from Cancer!). But arudha

 

pada of a house cannot be in the house itself or the 7th from it. So we find the 10th from

 

what we found above, i.e. Capricorn, and get Libra.

 

(3) Caution: Parasara said that Aquarius is owned by Saturn and Rahu both and Scorpio

 

is owned by Mars and Ketu both. When finding arudha padas of houses falling in these

 

two signs, we have to consider both the lords. If one of the lords occupies the sign (e.g.

 

Saturn in Aquarius), the other lord (e.g. Rahu) should be used. Otherwise, we have to

 

take the stronger lord. Usually a planet in conjunction with more planets is stronger. A

 

more elaborate set of rules can be found in standard references.

 

Some scholars (e.g. Sri K.N. Rao) prefer to ignore the exception in (2) above, but both

 

Parasara and Jaimini mentioned it and it cannot be ignored. Moreover, the following

 

point may be considered by learned men: Some results are attributed in literature to the

 

mutual shashthashtaka (6th/8th) positions of arudha lagna and dara pada (arudha pada

 

of 7th). If this exception is ignored, it can be mathematically proved that arudha lagna

 

and dara pada will always be in mutually odd houses and mutual shashthashtaka

 

position of these two padas can never occur! Why did maharshis talk about a

 

combination that never occurs? The readers are urged not to ignore these exceptions.

 

There is another thing to remember: Though many scholars find arudha padas only in

 

rasi chart, they are equally valid in divisional charts.

 

Use of arudha lagna

 

Lagna is satya peetha or the seat of truth. Arudha lagna is maya peetha or the seat of

 

illusion. Both stand for self, but they stand for different shades of self. Lagna stands for

 

true self and arudha lagna stands for perceived self. Arudha lagna stands for "self, as

 

peceived by this maya world".

 

Classics attribute many matters to each house. By using divisional charts, we can

 

resolve many clashes. For example, 5th house stands for son, mantra, judgment, fame

 

etc. Using divisional charts, we can see that 5th house in saptamsa stands for son and

 

5th house in vimsamsa stands for mantra. However, we sometimes have a clash even

 

after going to the correct divisional chart. For example, intelligence and academic

 

success are both to be seen in chaturvimsamsa (chart of learning) and the 5th house

 

shows both.

 

In such cases, we have to see which matter is seen from lagna and which from arudha

 

lagna.

 

We said that Parasara prescribed chaturvimsamsa chart for learning and knowledge and

 

the 5th house is supposed to show success in competition and fame, as well as

 

intelligence. An intelligent person usually succeeds in competition, but it is not necessary

 

always! How do we resolve this clash? We do it by using lagna for one and arudha lagna

 

for the other.

 

Lagna shows true self. Whether one is intelligent or not, is related to true self. But

 

whether one is successful in a competitive examination or not, is related to perceived

 

self. An intelligent person may fail and one of average intelligence may succeed. It is

 

related to perceptions. So use lagna as a reference when judging one's intelligence and

 

use arudha lagna when judging success in competition and fame.

 

In dasamsa – the chart of achievements in society, i.e. career – the 5th house can show

 

one's judgment, balance and discretion in career and also professional reputation. Which

 

should be seen from lagna and which from arudha lagna?

 

Judgment, balance and discretion are related to true self and they are seen from the 5th

 

from lagna. Reputation is seen from the 5th from arudha lagna, because it is a part of

 

maya and related to perceived self.

 

In this manner, we can choose the correct divisional chart and the correct reference

 

(lagna or arudha lagna), based on the nature of the matter of interest.

 

Money is related more to arudha lagna than lagna. This is why Jaimini talked about

 

planets in the 11th and 12th houses from arudha lagna when talking about savings and

 

expenditures. We find that Sudasa (rasi dasa) of the 11th house from arudha lagna

 

invariably improves finances.

 

If someone has lagna in Aries, arudha lagna in Cancer and Sun in Scorpio, Sun dasa

 

may bring reputation and worries at the same time. Reputation is given by Sun in the 5th

 

from arudha lagna and worries are given by Sun in the 8th from lagna.

 

Thus arudha lagna basically shows the perceptions and illusions of the world about the

 

native and it is useful for many materialistic aspects of life.

 

Use of other arudha padas

 

Just as arudha lagna shows the manifestation of the native (lagna) in this maya world,

 

arudha padas of individual houses show the manifestation of the house matters in this

 

maya world. Arudha pada of a house show the maya associated with the matters

 

signified by that house. Let us denote the arudha pada of nth house by An (e.g. A4 for

 

matri pada and A5 for mantra pada).

 

In chaturvimsamsa, the 4th house shows one's learning. A4 shows the maya associated

 

with one's learning. What can that be?

 

Well, this maya world places a lot of value on the place and environment in which one

 

learns. Depending on whether one studied at IIT or "Varala Venkata Subbayya

 

Engineering College", we jump to different conclusions about one's knowledge. So the

 

place of study is the illusion associated with learning and it is seen from A4. A very

 

intelligent and learned friend of mine has extremely strong 4th and 5th houses in

 

chaturvimsamsa. He wondered why he always studied at mediocre (his word) colleges

 

and universities, despite such a strong chaturvimsamsa chart. I found A4 in his

 

chaturvimsamsa chart and it was afflicted by Saturn!

 

The 4th house in shodasamsa chart shows one's happiness from vehicle. It doesn't

 

show how expensive the vehicle is. One can be very happy with a Bajaj Chetak and

 

someone else can be very unhappy with a Mercedes Benz. The 4th house only shows

 

how happy one is with one's vehicle. It doesn't show whether one owns a scooter or a

 

Mercedes Benz. That is shown by A4, the maya associated with vehicle. We can see a

 

lot of details about one's vehicle (physical vehicle!) from A4 in shodasamsa.

 

Similarly A10 in dasamsa shows the maya associated with karma (action), i.e. one's

 

workplace! Dusthanas from A10 show bad time for the company one works for or a

 

change of workplace.

 

In dwadasamsa, 9th house shows father. It actually shows happiness from father and

 

relations with him. A9 stands for the maya associated with the concept of father, i.e. the

 

material existence of father and his status. So A9 can be used as a reference in

 

dwadasamsa and some inferences can be drawn about father. The 8th house from A9

 

shows material setbacks to father and the 5th house from A9 shows father's fame.

 

Understand maya

 

Illusions of the world about a native are just one side of the maya of this world. There is

 

another side – illusions of the native about the world and himself. These are shown by

 

the arudha padas of planets and let us leave them for now.

 

A mature astrologer can distinguish between reality and illusion and use the correct tools

 

in his astrological analysis.

 

One can deduce the meanings of various arudha padas in various divisional charts,

 

keeping in mind that arudha padas basically show maya associated with various

 

matters.

 

VARIOUS QUESIONS RELATED TO ARUDAPADA ASKED BY MR.JAAN

 

VARIOUS ANSWERS BY MR.GAURANGA DAS

 

QUESTION 1.I am having trouble understanding how to interpret arudha lagnas

 

of various houses and charts.

 

ANSWER 1. 1st principle. Arudha of a house represents the maya (reflection or

 

illusion) connected to it. Arudhas of the houses will represent others' illusions about your

 

affairs. Arudhas of the planets, on the other side will represent your illusions about

 

others (moving entities signified by the planets).

 

QUESTION 2.What is the difference of arudha lagna in rasi chart and the

 

other divisional charts?

 

ANSWER 2. Arudha Lagna is the reflection of the self (how others perceive it). In

 

D-1 it is the general perception about you, in the other D-charts it is always the

 

perception in connection with that D-chart. Like AL in D-9 will show what kind of a

 

husband you will be thought of. AL in D-10 will show how others perceive you in your

 

career etc.

 

QUESTION 3.What about Arudha lagna of various houses in rasi, and then

 

arudha lagna of various houses in divisional charts?

 

ANSWER 3. Each house has an arudha, which is called Pada as well. To say

 

that Arudha Lagna of a house is improper. See BPHS and Jaimini Sutram for the names

 

of the Padas. Arudhas in Rasi chart will represent the Maya connected to the affairs of

 

the given houses in general terms. Like you can see Upapada (A12) for marriage and

 

spouse in rasi. This will show how others perceive her as your wife, and this may include

 

you. However, the real connection will be seen from the 7th house. Going to D-9, this will

 

more explicitly show how she is perceived in the married relationship. Seeing the UP in

 

D-10 will show how your colleagues in work will perceive her. In D-20 it will show how

 

she will be perceived in your religious life, etc.

 

QUESTION 4. What is the significance of houses from Arudha lagna

 

compared to arudha lagna of those houses themselves? I.e. difference between

 

A4 and fourth from arudha lagna in say a navamsa chart?

 

ANSWER 4. Start with A4 in Rasi, this shows how others will perceive of your

 

home. 4th from AL will show how others will perceive of your relationship to your home.

 

In Navamsha A4 will show how others perceive of the home of you and your wife. 4th

 

from AL in Navamsha will show how others will perceive your and your wife's relation to

 

your home etc. QUESTION 5.If we are talking about illusions, surely all you need is the

 

illusion of that house and the house in question, i.e. 4th house, and A4 for its

 

illusion? Where does 4th from arudha lagna come into the picture?

 

ANSWER 5.It will indicate how the significations of that house are perceived IN

 

RELATION to the perception of your self, as I have explained above.

 

QUESTION 6.In analysing arudha lagnas, do u treat is as a lagna and look

 

at it lord etc? Or just see what planets are there or aspecting it?

 

ANSWER 6.Both can be taken into consideration. This is general for analyzing

 

any house whether it is Arudha or Bhava or whatsoever.

 

1. Analyze the sign in it,

 

2. The planets occupying it

 

3. The planets aspecting it (First Rasi Dristi then Graha Dristi)

 

4. Its lord

 

5. The significators connected to it (Sthira, Chara and Naisargika should also be taken

 

into consideration). TASK: What is the difference in considering the three types of Karakas)

It seems not many are interested in Arudha or not much aware of it..

Let me take small initiative for this :-)

 

Regards,

Raman