>>>>>>>First of all cool down both of u-BharatS & Akshadh008..& dear brother-Akshadh008 no need to be so racist dude..We all know Arjuna was the greatest Archer on planet & u have prooved it with just the original quotes from the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa but u can convey this message peacefully like me!!No need to get over frustated over this topic..Get a life..It doesn't make any sense my dear brother!!Everybody has the right to post what he want to!!Now as far as cowardness of Karna is concerned he was a damm coward becozz he ran from the battlefield 3 Times,he was even defeated by Bhim 21 Times when Bhim & Karna faught a duel when Arjuna was about to reach Jayadrath & Karna interfered in between & that this guy-Akshadh008 had already prooved with crystal clear quotes just from the original version of Ved Vyas & therefore the dabate is ended here!!As far as "inches" or "foots" or "metres" that was posted by other forum members was concerned,I clearly agree with akshadh008 becoz nowhere in the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa(Translated by KM Ganguli) it has been written Arjuna's chariot was pushed back to some inches or metres or steps & karna's chariot was pushed back comparatively far away..So this topic is also ended here!!
>>>>>>Now as far as the Karna's Kundal Kavach was concerned,U just tell me 1 thing my brother-BharatS..U walk in the battle with such an armour like the kavach & kundal of Karna which nobody,not even the deadliest of the deadliest devaastras could penetrate,in such case how can u judge the prowess or archery feats of that archer!!Had I had that Kavach or Kundal,I would also have been as invincible as Karna!!But can u firmly say that I m the world's greatest archer!!!Moreover Karna had neither did any penance to receive that Kavach..He was gifted that Kavach by birth by his father-Surya Deva!!It was no less than Partionality!So it was obvious for Indra or anybody to fear that Kavach or Kundal!& HENCE Karna was bound to give up his kavach & kundan as a 'dan' in order to keep the spirit of his 'dan dharm' alive to Indra who came as a beggar to take away that kavach & kundan...But instead Indra , shamed into generosity by Karna's gesture, reciprocates by giving Karna the boon to use Indra's most powerful weapon, the Vasavi shakti, but only once & that too he preserved it to kill Arjuna becoz he also knew that he cant kill Arjuna merely by his feats!!!####In a nutshell karna retained his kavach & kundan in the form of vasava shakti!!Yet again karna was bound to use that shakti against Gatotkach & finally KARNA WAS LEFT WITH WHAT HE DESERVED TO BE LEFT WITH-NOTHING BUT HIS LAST HOPE-THE NAGASTRAM....!!AGAIN LORD MADE SURE THAT JUSTICE IS GRANTED TO BOTH THE PARTIES-KAURVAS AS WELL AS PANDAVAS...AS A MATTER OF FACT THE DARING RAKSHAS GATAOKACH WAS KILLED FROM PANDAVAS SIDE WHICH RELIEVED KAURVAS & ARJUNA WAS SAVED IN ORDER TO NULLIFY THE DEATH OF GATOTKACH!!IN A NUTSHELL LORD GAVE JUSTICE TO BOTH-KAURVAS & PANDAVAS!!!
ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS WERE NOT AN INJUSTICE TO KARNA BUT A CIRCULAR NULLIFICATION OF SURPLUS GIFTS THAT KARNA GOT WITHOUT ANY PENANCE & THAT HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO POSSES-THE KAVACH & VASAVI SHAKTI!!!AFTERALL GOD & TIME DID JUST THE JUSTICE BY TAKING AWAY HIS KAVACH & VASAVI SHAKTI WHICH SOME PEOPLE THINK AS AN ACT OF INJUSTICE!!THIS JUST PROOVE THE FACT THAT ALL SUCH PEOPLE R CHALLENGING THE MIGHT OF LORD & THE DUTY OF TIME!!
>>>>>>>Moreover dear brother,let me remind u lifting of Shiv Dhanush requires Muscular Strenghts & not Archery feats!!Remember this before u post any thread in future!!
So Karna can be more powerful than Arjuna in strength but not Archery Feats..mind it!!
>>>>>>>& Now brother U SAY KUNTI MADE KARNA LINEANT TOWARDS ARJUNA BY UNVEILING THE FACT THAT KARNA WAS ALSO KUNTI’S SON….BUT REMEMBER KARNA DIDN’T PAID HEED TO HER MOTHER TO NOT KILL ARJUNA…HE WAS FIRMED AS ALWAYS TO CHOP THE HEAD OF ARJUNA…THATS WHY KARNA ALSO ASSURED HER MOTHER-KUNTI THAT SHE WILL ALWAYS HAVE 5 SONS-1 OF THEM CAN BE EITHER KARNA HIMSELF OR ARJUNA!!& HIS HATE FOR ARJUNA WAS FURTHER ACCELERATED WHEN ARJUNA KILLED KARNA’S SONS VRISHASENA,SUSHAMA & SATYASENA IN FRONT OF KARNA’S EYES!!!
>>>>>>>AS FAR AS BHISHMA’S DEATH IS CONCERNED, Like Karna, who had
the advantage of Kavacha Kundala, so also Bheeshma had an advantage. He had the boon of ending his life as per his wish...so no one could take his life, except that he/she can force him to take a decision by inflicting deep and unhealable wounds....Only Amba (reborn as Sikhandin) had received that boon from Shiva to slay Bheeshma & and Bheeshma had taken the vow not to use weapons against a person who was born female....Thus only Sikhandin (who was born female and later attained the male form from (Yaksha), could have forced this to happen...not even the very Gods. Sikhandin was Amba in previous birth, who was forcefully, but mistakenly, taken by Bheeshma for marriage (not for himself though) even though she liked another person and her life was destroyed.Thats why Arjuna hide himself shikhandin to kill Bhishma according to the Earlier Boon ..SO NO BODY ELSE COULD KILL BHISHMA EXCEPT SHIKHANDNI NOT EVEN THE GODS…THE BOON OF SHIVA CANT BE TREATED AS A JOKE!!!!!
>>>>>>>Dear sir,U say Arjuna was saved from defeat by lord Krishna when he used his Sudarshan chakra to cover the sun faking a sunset…I literary have no words for u….Arjuna was never defeated by any 1 in his entire life…Thats why Arjuna was called as a jishnu!!Krishna had to use Sudarshan chakra becoz the coward Jayadratha-the main culprit in Abhimanyu’s death was hiding deep inside his Kaurva cover & Comprehensive Vyuhu created by Donacharya as Arjuna took the oath to kill the Sindhu King-Jayadratha or die by entering into the fire!!Jayadratha is then exposed in a crucial moment,where upon the Lord's urging, Arjuna sets loose his powerful Pashupati astra that decapitates Jayadratha. This note of the act of protection of Krishna of his righteous friend and disciple will be incomplete without adding that Jayadratha's father, the old and sinful king Vridhakshtra had blessed his Son that anyone who caused his head to fall to the ground would cause his own head to burst.& ARJUNA BEHEADS jayadratha's head SO SKILLFULLY THAT THE HEAD WAS carried by the arrow to his own father's hands, who was meditating near the battlefield; who in his shock drops the head and himself dies of his own blessing.I doubt whether Karna could also perform such a feat!!
IF THE COWARD JAYADRATHA COULD USE HIS OWN KAURAV WARRIORS AS A COVER TO HIDE HIMSELF WHY CANT ARJUNA USE THE COVER OF KRISHNA’S SUDARSHAN CHAKRA TO AVENGE THE TRAGIC DEATH OF HIS SON ABHIMANYU!!!TIT FOR TAT….AS SIMPLE AS THAT!!
THIS IS COMPLETE FARE & SQUARE!!!
>>>>>>>The death of Drona was though from unfair means but let me remind u all that Drona had used the Brahmadanda on the 15<sup>th day of the Mahabharata. This spiritual divine weapon contained the power of the 7 greatest sages of Hinduism. Drona had neither imparted the knowledge of this divine weapon to either Ashwattama or Arjuna. Thus, he proves unconquerable on the 15th day of war. Krishna asks Yudhisthira to proclaim that Drona's son Ashwathama has died, so that the invincible and destructive Kuru commander would give up his arms and thus could be killed & this what exactly what happened!!!So if u have to blame somebody for Drone’s death,then collect the guts to blame none other than the mastermind-Lord Krishna!!
>>>>>>& last but not the least,Arjuna was unable to kill Ashwathhama & Kripacharya becoz both of them were 2 of the 8 "CHIRANJEEVIS"..so they cant be killed by any means!!!Arjuna had however,many times defeated both these chiranjeevis in the duel but cant kill them becoz of the reason already explained!!!!As far as Duryodhan's death was concerned I dont wanna talk about this becoz Arjuna was not involved in this treachery!!So blame Krishna & not Arjuna!!
>>>>>>>& Yes,Arjuna was no doubt a shurvir & undefeatable(thats why Arjuna was known as Vijaya & Jishnu) ..Arjuna never ever ran like a coward fromt the battlefield & his bravery has been acknowledged by all kaurva generals including Karna himself..Read this-O Partha, O Partha, wait for a moment, that is, till I lift this sunken wheel. Beholding, ******************u art the bravest of men in the world"(EXTRACTED FROM SECTION-90-KARNA ARJUNA DUEL...MAHABHARATA BY VYASA…..
(Translation by Kisari Mohan Ganguli…..)
>>>>>>>>NOW UR SAYING KUNTI & VASUDEVA FORCED KARNA TO TAKE PANDAVS SIDE;THIS WAS INDEED TRUE JUST BECOZ NO MOTHER WILL LIKE TO SEE THAT UNFORTUNATE DAY WHEN HER OWN SONS BECOMES RAGED TO SPELL THE BLOOD OF EACH OTHER & KUNTI ALSO WAS NO DIFFERENT!!!SHE DIDN'T BEGG BUT SHE DID WHAT A NORMAL LOVING MOTHER WILL DO AT SUCH AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT!!SHE DID JUST HER DHARM TO STOP THIS WAR OF BLOOD OF HER OWN SONS!!U JUST TELL ME 1 THING MY BROTHER BHARATS-DO U WANNA SEE THAT DAY WHEN UR OWN BROTHERS START BUTCHERING EACH OTHER & UR OWN MOTHER IS BEING SANDWITHED BETWEEN U & UR BROTHERS; I GUESS NOT!!& VASUDEVA ALSO WAS NO DIFFERENT!!IT WAS HIS DHARM AS A SUPREME LORD TO STOP THIS BLOODY WAR AMONG OWN FAMILY MEMBERS!!RECALL HOW LORD KRISHNA TRIED HIS LEVEL BEST TO STOP THIS WAR BY GOING AS A "DOOT" TO HASTINAPUR PERSUADING DURYODHAN TO ACCEPT HIS "SHANTI PRASTAV" BUT UNFORTUNATELY DURYODHAN DIDN’T PAY HEED TO THE LORD & INSTEAD HE HUMILIATED VASUDEVA BY ORDERING OTHER KAURVAS TO CAPTURE KRISHNA!!SO NEITHER KUNTI NOR KRISHNA WAS "AFRAID" OF KARNA..THE WORD "AFRAID" IS COMPLETE IRRELEVENT WORD IN THIS REGARD!##################NOWHERE IN THE ENTIRE MAHABHARATA THIS HAS BEEN WRITTEN THAT KUNTI WAS AFRAID OF KARNA!!!PLEASE FOR GOD'S SAKE,DONT MAKE UR OWN STORIES!!!THEY WERE JUST DOING THEIR RESPECTIVE DHARM AS A MOTHER & AS THE SUPREME LORD RESPECTIVELLY!!BEFORE THIS EVENT ALSO,KARNA WAS ALREADY DEFEATED BY ARJUNA IN VIRATA,KARNA WAS DEFEATED BY BHIM,KARNA WAS DEFEATED BY CHITRASENA & EVERYTIME HE RAN AWAY FROM THE BATTLEFIELD!!!SO DEAR SIR-BHARATS,DON’T BE A BUDHHA IMPOSTER..LEARN TO GRASP THE ENTIRE STORY IN DETAIL THAN JUST TO ANALYSE THE HEADLINES!!
>>>>>>>>>>& dont call other the threads of other forum members as "facts" becozz nobody,not even a single of them has dared to post the quotes or translation from the original version of Mahabharata.>>>>>>>>>>All other forum members have made their own story & thats why nobody has given the source from where they had extracted their quotes & these 2 guys-Akshadh & Saurabh have prooved them wrong with the help of clear cut extracts & quotes from the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa.
>>>>>>>>As far as the mistakes ur calling as minor,I dont think that mistake was minor that guy made by introducing the scientific terms like-metres or inches in his threads was minor becoz he claimed that this was written in Mahabharata & which was complete nonsense!!U can definietly blame some of his rude words but not his material becoz that material was extracted just from the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa which nobody could challenge!!Akshadh & Saurabh has ended this debate now-Every point is crystal clear!!Every doubt is vanished now!!Till now not even a single of the forum member had posted such a detailed & such a comprehensive thread & now when Akshadh & Saurabh had given the quotes & extracts just from the Original Version of Mahabharata,ur claiming them as wrong..Pathetic!!!
>>>>>>>>Dear sir BharatS, blame his some of the rude words & not his matter!!I think its u who need to learn Mahabharata first before posting in threads further!!U cant challenge Ved Vyasa & KM ganguli!!& better u dont forget the adharmi & merciless killing of that 16 year old child-Abhimanyu by 6 Kaurva maharathis!!So better u learn Mahabharata of Ved Vyasa first before u babble like this by taking the help of other forum memers who had made their own fictious story without giving neither the source from where they had extracted their crap nor any extracts or quotes from the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa!!
>>>>>>>>>& dear BharatS dont get upset if u cant proove ur point..Truth hurts & Reality Bites!!!So dear brother-BharatS if u have still some doubts or confusions left & all ur queries,then better first go & analyse each & every word of Akshadh008 & saurabh...They had prooved the truth just from the original quotes from the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa & the debate is hence ended!!Had this guy-Akshadh008 earlier posted his threads,the debate would have much earlier ended & there is not a fration of doubt left in this regard!!So thanks-both of u-Akshadh & Saurabh for ending this brain tickling topic in the favour of truth but please be polite while posting in threads!!
-& Dear BharatS,For all ur remaining queries or confusions or doubts,Better see :
-Virata Parva-chapter-4 ,
-Vana parva :Aranya parva,Panchamaasvaasamu,(Fifth Chapter –Second part)
-Translation of Karna Arjuna final duel
(Original version of Ved Vyasa,translation by KM ganguli)!!
#######& Analyse Akshadh & Saurabh all threads carefully!!U will get ALL answers for ALL ur queries!!
& Stop trying more BharatS,becozz both of these guys-Saurabh & Akshadh had prooved the truth with crystal clear facts & quotes just from the Original version of Ved Vyasa,translation by KM ganguli,which u cant alter!!Sorry Sir..the debate has already been ended..Arjuna was the Greatest,the Peerless,the Unconquerable & the Undefeatable archer on Planet!!!Karna was no match for Arjuna!!Both Akshadh & Saurabh have prooved this fact just from the original quotes,extracts & detailed translation of Mahabharata just by the original version of Mahabharata by Ved Vyasa & has finally ended this 3 year long debate in the favour of truth!!!Ur doing ineffective labour Sir!!
So Congratulations to both-Akshadh & Saurabh!!U all rulezz men!!
But please be Polite & not so Racist while posting in threads in future!!
Thanks....
Jai hind!!
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