Brahmoham

Mr. Dark Warrior, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> You seem to have been offended by my claim that you are ignorant. I dint mean to offend you. But let us examine objectively. We are all ignorant. Are you not? Are you an Omniscient Genius? Only a complete moron will feel that way. <o:p> </o:p> You called me half baked. I don’t mind that. But you called me my Guru half baked, I don’t take it. My main reason for posting again in this forun is that. And this is my last post. <o:p> </o:p> Let me tell you about my background a little. Not for self glorification but to have a correct assessment of yourself by yourself . I am born in a family where Sanskrit and Vedic scholarship are in my very blood and air. My father is a traditional teacher of Veda and Veda Bhashya. I am introduced to Sanskrit ever since I started learning language and initiated to Vedic studies at the age of seven. I learned Vedas in the traditional way of chanting, and I studied Bhasya under my Father. I was so good at Sanskrit that I could write poetry at the age of 15. (I am not very god at English and I learned it latter but Sanskrit is a different story altogether) I have a Post graduate degree in Sanskrit and a Ph.D in Vedic studies. My Ph.D dissertation, written in Sanskrit, is on the thesis that Brahman is Brahma, which I mentioned in my earlier post. If you think this is half baking, I have no problem in accepting with all humility, provided you are better qualified in Vedic studies. (I don’t know what your credentials are but going by your posts you don’t give an impression that you have studied Veda even in a rudimentary level. Certainly you don’t give me any impression that you are capable of any originality.) <o:p> </o:p> Now some thing about my guru. I met him in my continuous engagement of Vedic knowledge in Badari ashram. He is a Vishnava Sanyasi belonging to the lineage of Nara-Narayana tradition. He initiated me in to a Upanisadic Vidya (which I cannot reveal as it is not a public Vidya like the “Hare Krishna Here Krisna …” Maha mantra.). A few years latter I got some time to practice this Vidya in an uninterrupted way for about a month. During this practice , one day, some thing mind boggling, totally Awe inspiring experience, befell on me. I suddenly saw in a prolonged splash of insight the true import of the Vedic sears. I directly saw the mystic Brahman that Vedas adore. All my previous conception got demolished by this direct experience. All my Vedic Scholarship turned out to be nothing but a blind grouping. The true meaning of Vedic Brahman is the mysterious thing that lies beyond sense experience and beyond the intellectual grasp and beyond the reach of language and words. I understood the Vedic verses in a completely different new way. <o:p> </o:p> It is not that Vedic words are meaningless. That is not what I meant. Vedic Pramanas are true and made complete sense to me after this experience but in a completely new way. Previously I was playing with words like the blind man’s poetry of the star-lit sky. Even a blind man has his own way of making sense of these words that he uses. But it is just that his meaning is completely of the mark than that of a sighted man who could see the stars of the sky and the colors of flowers. That is the difference. Veda is not for interpretation by spiritually blind people. Such interpretations are completely wrong. If you think that my guru, who comes from a true Visnava tradition right from Nara- Narayana avatar and was capable of giving me a seer’s eye, with which I could myself see the Vadic truths, is half baked and you are better baked, then I cannot debate on that. But I would humbly with folded hand request you to show me a proof of that superiority that you are a grater guru avatar than my Guru. And if you could convince on that I will serve you dearly and follow you from here onwards. <o:p> </o:p> But right now I don’t get that sense. I don’t even get that you are any thing to do with spirituality and not even with Vishnavism. You don’t seem to have the humility of a Vishnavite, You seem to have no respect for Visnava traditions and gurus even. You certainly have no sign of Bhakti which you preach. You are not only ignorant you are arrogant to the core and a very pitiable ass hole. <o:p> </o:p> This is my last post and visit to this forum. <o:p> </o:p> Brahmoham

Mr. Dark Warrior, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> You don’t see. I would not dare to argue and show you for argument sake even. I am not talking of argument at all. That phase of mine is over. The truth is beyond wordily understanding. <o:p> </o:p> You wanted to talk about my understanding. The true Vedic Wisdom is beyond words. Senses do not reach it. Words do not capture it. This is all I can say to you for now. Even Vedas do not describe Brahman - it merely points to it. Its language is not descriptive. You don’t understand anything of Vedic truths unless you see it directly by a Swanubhudhi – direct self experience. And this experience is not with in the realm of senses or intellect to describe in words. <o:p> </o:p> You depend so much on words. And you derive validity of that word knowledge from others Ramanuja et al. You know why? Because you cannot see yourself- you are blind. . Your poetry of the beauty of colorful flower meadows and the wonder of the starlit sky comes from others words of them. You don’t understand anything of Vedic verses. Your arguments are a blind man’s poetry of others some sighted and some blind men. <o:p> </o:p> My guru is not any street person with a beard. He is a Himalayan monk with out any beard (he never grew beyond 16 years to grow a beard) coming in the unbroken lineage of guru-sishya Upanishad-Vidya tradition. And my knowledge is not derived out of his word description. He dint teach me Veda with words. He simply gave a method to open an inner eye where by I could see directly the truth of the Vedic Seers. He opened my eyes. He did a miracle to my knowledge. That is true guru. <o:p> </o:p> Veda is not just difficult to understand. It is impossible to understand with out a mysterious seeing faculty. <o:p> </o:p> I have no intention to argue. I know how futile it is. I am only trying to appeal to the Brahman which resides in you with the hope that the Brahman in you will understand and stop the childish babbling of you, the ignorant jiva.. <o:p> </o:p> You must understand that you are not doing any good to Vedic Wisdom. I hope one day you will understand. <o:p> </o:p> Brahmoham

Mr. Dark warrior, You can fabricate anything if you are claver with words, given the same Vedic texts. I have done it myself. I used to argue with supportive Pramanas that Brahman is Brahma the creator deity. I have done it for many years. And I am really good at it. I tell you it is much easier and much more convincing to show that Brahman is Brahma than it is Narayana. . Now I don’t do it. Credit goes to my Guru. He had Brahma Jnyan. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> When I met him, he told me a story of a blind man whose ancestors were expert art weavers and painters. This blind man has in his collection a mind boggling painting on a cloth canvas. But he could not see the beauty of it and could not understand the value of it as he was blind from birth. But he had heard its greatness from his grand father and his father. For many years he was wondering what could be is the greatness of this plain useless cloth. Then one day he pulled out a few strands of threats and cut a few patches out of the great art canvas and stitched an underwear out of it. Now he could understand the value of it. On the top of it all he was trying to sell it as the original work of the great ancestors. <o:p> </o:p> My guru pointed to me that I am like that blind man. Not having Bhrama-jnyan, I don’t see the truth of the grand work of the grand Seers. In my blindness I pull our Pramanas here and there and cut patches here and there out of Veda, put them together and stitch an underwear out of the marvelous Vedic design, try to sell it as an authentic Seer’s work. <o:p> </o:p> I dint see the point even then. My guru initiated to an Upanishad Vidya. A few years of rigorous practice opened my spiritual eye and I saw the truth, of the seers. Then my understanding of Veda changed drastically and I stopped stitching underwear and promoting it as the seer’s original work. . <o:p> </o:p> You don’t have Brahmajnyan. Do you? You don’t see the Seer’s truth. Or do you think you see? I understand you too well as I was like you once. My advice to you: Stop all this cross-word games with Veda. Approach a realized Guru and try to acquire the inner wisdom of the seers. With out such knowledge no one can understand Veda. <o:p> </o:p> Brahmoham