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  1. How true! What wise words! My lifwe is an example for this. Radhe Shyam
  2. Pranam Bhaktajan Ji . I am a <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> bhakta , And I want to share my spiritual experience with you. What follows is a true life story of mine. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> It is very true that Lord Siva is a grand Guru for all – even to Vaishnavas.- and a Siva bhakta is Siva himself and should be treated as our Guru. I did not know this before as I was stupid Bhakta. But my life experience made me realize this. <o:p> </o:p> I have been a Krishna bhakta since my child hood and wanted to see <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> directly. In this craving I went to ISKCON and got initiated to the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. In spite of chanting it for 32 lakhs of times (As many lakhs as there are letters in the mahamantra) I did not see <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. But <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> was kind enough to appear in my dream and advised me to find a Siddha guru and get initiated - to succeed in the mantra sdadana. <o:p> </o:p> I did not know where to find a Siddha guru when even ISKCON, is not qualified to be a place of siddhas of the mantra. Then a pious man advised that Lord Siva is the guru for all mantras. Then I fasted and prayed to Lord Siva on a Sivaratri, to be my guru. Then a few days latter a Siva monk from Himalaya who was on his way back to <st1:place w:st="on">Himalaya</st1:place> after his visit of Kumbamela at Triambakeswar landed to my house asking for a days stay. I gladly offered him my house. But I was arrogant enough to preach him that <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> bhakti is supreme and he should follow that path, leaving his Siva asceticism. He appreciated me for my deep <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> bhakti . When he was leaving offered me a small Krishna Idol saying that he cannot take care of Krishna as I could, and hence from now onwards I should take care of Krishna, and initiated me with a one syllable Krishna mantra , and the method of ritualistic worship of the Krishna idol and left. <o:p> </o:p> When I started to meditate on the mantra silently with closed eyes almost with in a few minutes <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> appeared in my heart very clear and very charming. Then he told me to take care of him in the external world and jumped out of my heart to the Idol. When I opened my eyes I found real <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in front of me. Though I got jittered initially that I am going mad or that the monk has done some black magic, <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> cleared all that doubt and I knew in due course it is a genuine spiritual vision. <o:p> </o:p> I asked <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> why he dint come before when I was chanted so much of Mahamantra. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> told me that the mantra was not a siddhamantra – I did not get it from a siddha guru. Now the mantra I am meditating came from a Siddha guru that it bears fruits immediately. I asked him how come that a Siva monk is a siddha guru of a Krishna mantra, and a guru from <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> bhakti tradition like ISKCON itself is not a Siddha guru. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> told me that Lord Siva is the guru for all the Vidyas and initiated by him all the mantras will bear fruit. All vidyas are his, including Vaishnava vidyas and with out his grace no vidya will bear fruit. Krishna declared that A Siva guru is a Siddha guru .He advised me to treat the Siva guru are Siva himself and should not be treated as ordinary human being. I was ashamed of my arrogance that I ventured to teach and preach Krishna bhakti to Lord Siva when in actuality I am a worm in compared to Him, who in fact magnanimously came to full fill my desire of giving me <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> darsana. . I realized how stupid I was. Now I am more metrue. While I strill remain a strong Krishna bhakta , I treat all Siva bhaktas as Siva’s aspects and as my gurus as per <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s own advice and I should admit I have only gained tremendous spiritual virtue. <o:p> </o:p> Radhe Shyam
  3. Dear Milly, I am sharing my experience in mantra yoga and initiation. I might be judged as mad by many. But I am still sharing this highly personal experience for the benefit of true seekers of mantra yoga. I have been and am deeply in love with <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. I had a strong desire to see <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> physically. I went to ISKCON seeking guidance and got initiated ( by an authentic teacher of ISKON) in to the Mahamantra: Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> Hare Hare; Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. I liked the mantra. I chanted it everyday with intense devotion and according to the prescribed rules for many years. But nothing happened out of the way. I dint see <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> for which I was doing the sadana. . A pious religious man told me that the mantra will become siddhi if it is repeated as many lakhs of times as there are letters in the mantra and followed by a homa of one tenth offering and a dharpana of one tenth of this. I became desperate and undertook the task of chanting the mantra for 32 lakhs of time (As many lakhs as there are letters in the mahamantra) and completed homa and Dharpana for the required amount. The last day of my completion of this procedure, <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> came in my dream and instructed me to seek a Siddha Guru to succeed in mantra yoga. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> explained that a mantra can only have the effect that the guru has realized, and nothing more. If the guru has not seen the deity, the disciple will not see the deity. If the guru is not a mukta the disciple will not attain mukti. For success in mantra guru’s own success is a crucial factor. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> instructed me to seek a Siddha guru who has attained what I seek. Otherwise even if I chant the mantra for trillions and trillions of times I will not succeed. When I woke up I was very disappointed, and sad. Even after doing so much of sadhana with full adherence to the procedure <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is not satisfied. Where can I find a guru who has seen <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>? How do I know who is such a guru? I prayed and prayed to show me a Sidha Guru. I did not chant the mantra any more and prayed to god with sincere heart in simple Marati which was my mother tongue. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> A week later a saint came to my house and said that he came for Kumbamela at Godavari Triambakeswar , now on his way to his cave in <st1:place w:st="on">Himalaya</st1:place>, and looking for a place to stay a night. I readily offered him my house, and offered him food. Next day early morning around 4oclock he woke me up and said that he has to leave, but before that he wanted to give me something back for my service to him. He asked me to sit down and from his bag he took out a small <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s idol made of five metal alloy. He told me that he is leaving his Krishna with me and from now on <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is mine, and I need to take care of him. He initiated with a one letter bija mantra of Krishna and instructed how to chant it silently after giving abishek bath and food and performing pooja to Krishna (that is <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>’s idol). Then he left. <o:p> </o:p> After he is gone I took bath and gave abishek to the Krishna Idol and offered flowers and fruits, lighted a lamp and with closed eves meditated the one letter mantra of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. With in a few minutes I passed in to a state of deep peace which I never experienced before. Then soon, in few more minutes, I entered in to a trance state. And Visions arose. In that state I saw <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in my heart, very clearly and vividly. He was very handsome, with bewitching beauty. My mind died with out any other thought and feeling. Only <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> existed along with a divine sweetness and ecstasy. The internal <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> asked me to open my eyes and take care of him outside. Then he jumped out of my heart to the idol. When I opened my eyes I saw really <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in front of me. I got jittered. He smiled at me with such a lovely charm and asked why I get scared of him when I all along wanted to see him? It took me some time to gather myself and asked whether he is real. He came and hugged me. I could feel his real firmness warmth. I could touch him. He was real. I looked around. The door was closed. There is no possibility of anybody entering my room when I was meditating with my eyes closed. The only possibility is that I was going mad. I: “From where did you come?” <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>: “From your heart”. I: “Is it a trick of some sort?” <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>: “Yes. Everything is trick. The whole world is a trick. I am a trickster”. He winked. I: “I mean am I going mad? Or the saint did some black magic on me?” <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>: “You were always mad ….. of me. If you weren’t you never would have had the chance of seeing me. The poor saint is not a black magician I am the one. I am doing the magic on you. I did the same magic on the saint too”. I: Then why dint you come to me earlier in spite of my chanting your mantra for so much of times? I was chanting your mantra for such a long time” <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>: “The mantra you were chanting is not mine. It has my name but it is not me. I could only respond to your bakti, which I did by way of my instruction in your dream, but I could not respond to your mantra, that is not me. The mantra you are chanting now is me myself, therefore I am here”. Then <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> explained seriously, that in every heart he is there, that he heard my cries for him through the chanting and he came in my dream. He explained that the saint is a siddha guru and the mantra he initiated is a siddha mantra. The difference between a sidha mantra and other chants is that siddha mantra is god himself,while other chants are names or prayers of god. . Strictly specking they are not to be called mantras. At the best they could be prayers. Then I asked him if the mahamantra is mere prayer, why it is considered to be a mahamantra. And held in great reverence? <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> clarified that Mahamantra if realized by a siddha is God himself If not realized by a siddha it is a mere lingual entity. This holds good for any mantra. It is not in the letters of the chant that makes it a mantra or a linguistic entity. It is the realization of a siddha which makes it a mantra. <o:p> </o:p> Then <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> advised me that I should cast aside all doubts and follow the Siddha Gurus instruction, that what is happening to me is a true spiritual development, and there is much more to come. Then he disappeared, with no sign, except his idol. Day by day When ever I sat for pooja and chant his mantra a few times he would promptly pop up in my heart and jump out to the idol, The idol would became real living Krishna, accept all that I offer in worship be with me doing his Leelas for a while and go. This continued for many months. <o:p> </o:p> In due course I started seeing Krishna every where I saw Krishna in the hearts of every creatures and I saw <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> in every nonliving things too. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is everywhere not just in my heart or in my idol. I saw him in the lamb, flower and food that I offered to him as well as in the food I ate, in the sandal paste that I put on him as well as in the mud of earth, in the sky and in the water. In fact he is everywhere. With this Grand Seeing Krishna my Idol worship came to an end. When he is everywhere and in everything, how can I restrict him to an Idol? I no more worshiped him with special religious rituals whatever I did in the form of daily chores, cooking eating taking care of my children all became worship of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>. <o:p> </o:p> Then one day monk with deep <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> bakti came to my house. He was searching for <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> everywhere, and I could deeply empathize with him. I gifted the <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> idol and mantra to him with the same instruction I received from my revered guru. The monk stayed in my house for a few days, doing pooja. I could see how he completely transformed. Sweetness dawned on him. He like mad man started running here and there apparently chasing some one shouting and screaming and pleading: “Krishna don’t go there, Krishna be careful there is a big pit there. Please eat your food, don’t play with mud, etc. Others thought he has gone mad. But I knew better. <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is playing with him. He used to complain to me my <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place> is very naughty and no consideration for his old age. I could not think any otherwise. After a few days he left with <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>, to Matura. <o:p> </o:p> Moral of the story: Guru is a very important factor in mantra yoga. If initiated by a sidha guru mantra bears fruit. If not it is totally useless as a mantra. This does not mean that nothing is gained. What works in that case is your bhakti. And if you have strong bhakti., any simple prayer in your mother tongue is equally effective. If god is pleased with your bhakti, he will send you a siddha guru with a true mantra suited for you. <o:p> </o:p> Just do bhakti with any prayer of a god that you love Milly. God will send you the right guru and right mantra. This is my personal experience. Love, Radhe Shyam.
  4. Fourth state is not personalist at all. It is clearly impersonalistic as per Mandukya upanisad as given in the previous post. "Which is unseen actionless incomprehensible, uninfrrable unthinkable indescribable ....and nonduel" . ( cf Item no.7 in mundukyopanisad post) Radhe Shyam
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