srix29

Dear friends animesh, viji, gg and shvu Lets not get pretty animated about this discussion. It is really nice to read all the view points, but if I have understood shvu correctly, and without quoting or relating to it out of context - in general is there any thing called as 'becoming' or 'attaining' or 'achieving', which involves time and the subject distinctly checking or evaluating the process. Devotees of krishna see visions of krishna, they dont see zoraster, and neither the followers of Allah see Jesus, so as long as the prism is there and the conditioned mind looks through it, you will,see, attain or achieve only that which the conditioning has taught you, is it possible to come out of this conditioning and live life from moment to moment. Ultimately the saint Ramana Maharishi also says the same, the 'vichara marga' I am not propogating any specific method or school as I am not that enlightened as many of you are, and cannot quote any sanskrit verses, pardon my ignorance, but without any signs, or symbols decorating our body and mind, can we live, respect, see each and every moment as it is, without the attributes, which we associate with our so called 'knowledge' which we are proud to accumulate. I am not referring to knowledge or building bridges or engineering, but psycological evolution is not there, let us not delude ourselves, by saying so. I may not be a frequent visitor and add to this, but what I find is that people generally start to investigate from a conclusion, and then there is no investigation or awareness at all. It is a stale mind which modifies what it has learnt from books, or teachers and quotes them differently. Let us do away with semantics, and try to live and die from moment to moment good luck friends

I agree with shvu. There are no opposites as such, except those created semantically for our existence, the absolute is nothing but 'what is' and we should learn to face it. Condemning man as sin as in some religions and trying to 'become' pure or chaste or any of the opposites is merely an attempt to anesthetise the fact and shy away from it. As long as we learn through our conditioned mind and environments, regardless of the source of conditioning, books, scriptures, school or whatever...you only try to modify your present state which is not better in anyway than the past , as you still work from the same grounds, without understanding the ground or questioning it to learn for yourself. Shvu...I agree

Pankaj I read your posting, but without any offense, I have just one question. In your statements and guidances to chant, you say 'observe...visualise...' so who is the observer or the visualiser . I feel that as long as you have the duality of the observed and observer, conflict and all consequences will remain, and may provide a temporary relief but not an everlasting solution. I am sorry to say so, but i feel, as long as the mind is creating the higher and lower self in us, as the so called 'soul' or 'atma' whatever name you choose to use, will I be any better?? I dont know...

I am a human, but just to be more indicative, I have to necessarily indicate the divisive identity of being an indian, a south indian in fact. I work in Japan. I have read the english version of the gita, bhagavatam, etc..... but i still dont know what am supposed to do. I have a decent employment, pays me well and a nice family. I am more interested in doing what I like to do and that is more of working for a service organisation. I have never been ambitious and am not now either, not very career oriented, but ofcourse need a sustenance to fulfill my responsibilities to my family and to the body which sustains my life spirit. I prefer to come back to south india, a quiet place, a place where service is done for the sake of service, without any ulterior motive...can i get an opportunity? I have had all that I needed in life, a global travel, all kinds of fun including girls and sex, money, but now i realise there is something more than all these trivia in life and I realise that the culprit is the mind and have been able to live away from its erratic pulls and pushes..but this desire is a final 'coming out' of all that has been in the past... to be away from the tricks of the mind, and just serve.... am sridhar and am 35 yrs and am a male, this is just for your information.. my id is srix29@ if anybody has any inputs feel free

I am a human, but just to be more indicative, I have to necessarily indicate the divisive identity of being an indian, a south indian in fact. I work in Japan. I have read the english version of the gita, bhagavatam, etc..... but i still dont know what am supposed to do. I have a decent employment, pays me well and a nice family. I am more interested in doing what I like to do and that is more of working for a service organisation. I have never been ambitious and am not now either, not very career oriented, but ofcourse need a sustenance to fulfill my responsibilities to my family and to the body which sustains my life spirit. I prefer to come back to south india, a quiet place, a place where service is done for the sake of service, without any ulterior motive...can i get an opportunity? I have had all that I needed in life, a global travel, all kinds of fun including girls and sex, money, but now i realise there is something more than all these trivia in life and I realise that the culprit is the mind and have been able to live away from its erratic pulls and pushes..but this desire is a final 'coming out' of all that has been in the past... to be away from the tricks of the mind, and just serve.... am sridhar and am 35 yrs and am a male, this is just for your information.. my id is srix29@ if anybody has any inputs feel free