Karakamsha''KA'' Chandrashekhar ji Vs shri Sanjay Rath-Satya ji

Dear Satya ji

 

You have made some valauable observations and it brings happiness.

We are expected to do a composite analysis(Rashi + Amsha).Everything

happens within the same skeleton,but with a different kind of

relationship(Placed in 4th from a Rashi Versus Having amsha in the

4th from a Rashi)

 

Having amshas in rashis of debilitation and exaltation do reduce and

increase strengths respectively as you have rightly mentioned.This

can be observed from example charts.Navamsha being the prana has

importance.Thus before predicting for a bhava and planet we have to

confirm with the grahas amsha.In my experience other vargamashas too

have to be verified,before arriving at ''strength of the yoga''.If

Rashi is strong some effects will be definitely there.You can read

similar explanation from phaladeepika.

 

 

Aspects are influences,defined w.r to angular dispositions while

amshaka is a subtle connection.Aspects are always w.r to placements

in a Rashi.Aspects cannot exist between two ''amsha sambandha''

disposition.Hence here i have a different view.''Yuti'' in Navamsha

points to 2 or more grahas relating to a single Rashi.Infact they

are not Yuti as in Rashi,but jointly influencing the same Rashi.Thus

they can lend joint support for a rashi in bringing out results,but

they do not interact with each other.For example Sun closely

conjuncting(Yuti) mercury is combustion,while in amsha they are not

together but relating to the same rashi.Thus one has to be careful

while predictiong results.Here again through composite analysis we

can arrive at better conclusions.

 

Your chart as example is good to learn.As i have mentioned,grahas

having amsha in certain positions from karakamsha lagna too has got a

say,but placements w.r to rashi chakra is what that is mentioned in

karakamsha phala adhyaya,according to my understanding.

 

In my view ,the skeleton is the same.For better understanding we

project amshas onto a copy of rashi chakra or simply draw them

outside the rashi chakra.Aspects are always from a planetary position

as per definition.

 

Though we have slight disagreement,your support for composite

analysis is a great step.It is a full system and things have to be

seen in totality.

Rashi/Kshethra/Lagna/Bhava/havanam are synonyms and it is a big

clue,whenever we are in doubt.

 

Kindly share your chart.

 

Warm Regds

Pradeep

, " Satya Sai Kolachina "

<skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Pradeep and Sri Chandrasekhar,

>

> I have been following this thread on karakamsa and both of your

> contributions.

>

> I whole-heartedly appreciate both of you for your valuable inputs

> you are providing to the astrological community. I would like to

> share my opinion (through my own experience).

>

> Considering Karakamsa from either Rasi or Navamsa chart alone most

> probably leads to erroneous results, as I found both the approaches

> working. I see the point Pradeep is making as very valuable; at the

> same time I am not against using Navamsa chart as separate chart

(of

> course without losing the context of the Rasi chart), since any of

> the varga charts will not give independent results if the Rasi

chart

> is ignored, as they themselves do not exist if the Rasi chart

> doesn't exist. In fact Sri KN Rao also mentioned in several

> occassions in many of his articles and books that yogas viewed in

> the Rasi chart should also exist in the Navamsa chart for

confirming

> the results. If we do not see the Navamsa chart as a separate

chart,

> how can we see the yogas therein? For the purpose of checking some

> yogas, Yuti and Veekshana (conjunction and aspects) in the navamsa

> chart make sense. This kind of yuti or veekshana should be

> considered on a hypothetical level (as mutual influence at the

> amsha level) rather than being within a 30 deg. span. of Rasi.

>

> Take an example. If a planet is exlated or in own house in the rasi

> chart and attains debilitation in the Navamsa chart, it is

condiered

> as weakening of the actual strength shown in the Rasi. Why is this

> considered so? It is considered like that because, even though the

> planet is within its own or exlated rasi, still its positioning

> within that particular sector (here navamsa) has weakened it;

means,

> within its own rasi, this particular sector is the weakest point

for

> the planet within the strongest rasi; hence it loses its strength

> considerably. This means there is a gradation of strengths for the

> planet from first navamsa to the last navamsa. The navamsa position

> of a planet, thus indicates its refined placement within the rasi.

> In fact, Sri KN Rao also gives equal weightage to both the Rasi and

> Navamsa placement of a planet. If a planet is weak in one of them

> that means half the weightage is lost. We may not give the same

> level of treatment to other vargas as we give to Navamsa; but

> Navamsa is as important as the Rasi; to the extent that it can be

> viewed as an independent chart (to confirm the promise given by the

> rasi chart).

>

> Without a confirmation of Navamsa chart, yogas in the rasi chart

> alone cannot and will not give expected results; I have observed

> this phenomenon in several charts.

>

> My own experience is; I have Chandra and Sukra both in the 12th

> house from Karakamsa in the Navamsa chart (not in the rasi chart

> with the rasi of karakamsa considering as the karakamsa lagna). I

am

> a deep devotee of Goddess Parvathi (represented by Chandra) and

> Goddess Lakshmi (represented by Sukra). If the karakamsa is brought

> to the Rasi chart, this cannot be explained. The sequence of my

life

> events are better explained only if I consider karakamsa lagna in

> the navamsa chart; I am not discounting Pradeep's opinion here; I

am

> just saying that both approaches need to be considered on the

chart,

> and a composite opinion be formed, as Sri KN Rao always says.

>

> On the other hand, considering the specific rasi in the Rasi chart

> that holds karakamsa as the karakamsa lagna, my Sukra is in the 4th

> house indicating my possession of a nice beautiful house, and

> education/skills in arts (in addition to other traditional

> education).

>

> I am bringing this to both your knowledge only to summarize that

> both your theories give results; but not necessarily in isolation

of

> the other.

>

> Thanks for all your contribution.

>

> Best regards,

> Satya S Kolachina

>

>

>

> , Chandrashekhar

> <chandrashekhar46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep,

> >

> > I can not comment on views of either Sanjay or K. N. Rao. First

> there is

> > no difference in the meaning of Amsha and Amshaka though it is

> perhaps

> > being confused. It also needs to be remembered that in

> astrological

> > translations many a times words are to be understood in the

> context that

> > they used. So we find Parashara mentioning karakamsha and Swamsha

> in

> > alternate lines (almost) while indicating the results of

> occupation of

> > Karakamsha by Sun etc. and many other places in karakamsha

> adhyaaya.

> > This does not mean he is speaking about two different parameters.

> I

> > think if any Sanskrit scholar who is also well versed in

> interpretation

> > of astrological texts will confirm this contention of mine if he

> is

> > watching this discussion.

> >

> > If you want my personal opinion, I think that the results

> indicated on

> > the basis of Karakamsha without reference to the potential

> promised by

> > the rasi chart and the strength derived by the grahas in rasi

> chart,

> > through the Navamsha chart, are not likely to materialize. I hope

> this

> > opinion of mine does not create a big storm in the discussion on

> the

> > list. But this is my personal opinion, for whatever it is worth.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Respected members

> > >

> > > Shri Sanjay Rath clearly says ,Amshaka is pointing to the Rashi

> in

> > > which a graha is having amsha.He also says,Karakamsha has one

> > > meaning ,while Karakamsha KA has another meaning.

> > > Chandrashekhar jis view is Amshaka is not pointing to the Rashi

> in

> > > which a graha is having amsha.

> > >

> > > Now Chandraekhar jis view is prudent as there are some shlokas

> which

> > > shri Rath somehow has overlooked,contradicting his view point.

> > >

> > > I respect shri Rath ,but i have to tell this.Sometimes the

> answer and

> > > explanations given by shri Rath are not preceded by proper

> study.They

> > > are just local(not global) answers and deals the question in a

> > > temporal way.

> > >

> > > Now if Shri Rath is not changing his opinion about amshaka,then

> all

> > > the students who want to trust him blinldy will be in

> trouble.why?

> > > In BPHS amsha and amshaka are used in a similar context in

> adjacent

> > > shlokas.If shri Rath sticks to his opinion it is approval for

> > > K.N.Raojis views.

> > >

> > > I will quote Pramana now.

> > >

> > > Karakamsha Phaladhyaya -

> > >

> > > ''Vrishamsha KA gathe'' Mithunamsha Gathe, Karkamshe ,Tulamshe

> etc

> > > are used in the same context.Now as per shri Rath Taurus Amshas

> have

> > > to be read from Rashi while the rest in navamsha arrangement.!!!

> > > Definitely overlooked.

> > >

> > > My view is they all refer to the Rashis on to which, karaka

> Graha is

> > > having amsha.Reason - At the very beginning sage says ''Meshadi

> > > RashiGE Swamshe''.Moreover they are used in exchange.

> > >

> > > The texts that i have quoted from,in local language,clearly

> explains

> > > how amshas are to be read.The whole arrangement is termed as

> amshakam

> > > and sometimes drawn outside the rashi chakra itself.

> > >

> > > Now Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > In your chart,Shani is AK and is Vargottama ,thus shani is

> placed in

> > > your Karakamsha Rashi.

> > >

> > > Now you have Guru and Chandra in the 5th from Karakamsha Rashi -

> > > Veda/Vedanta Philosophy and authorship are mentioned in

classics.

> > > Guru will give you traditional paramparic knowledge - You got it

> > > from your father.

> > >

> > > Now there are many shlokas talking about yuti of planets in the

> 12th

> > > from karakamsha.When planets placed in different rashis unite

in

> a

> > > single navamsha -do you think it is Yuthi.It is certainly

> not.They

> > > are having amshaka in the same Rashi.

> > >

> > > I feel there is no reason at all for ambiguity.

> > >

> > > I would love if some one can check the latest views from shri

> Rath.He

> > > is in agreement with Raoji ,unless wants to changes views on

> amshaka.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

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