Original thinking in stellar astrology

Dear friends,

The people using stellar and sub-stellar or sub-sub stellar theory in different

name such as Krishnamurthy Paddhati (KP or late illustrious astrologer Shri

Krishnamurthy) or

theory of cuspal interlinks ( Shri K B Bhaskaran, and Shri S P Khullar if I

remember the name correctly)

are/ were for reasons that sub or sub-sub of each cusp gets ruled by different

planet

had/having special preference for

going for Placidus Systems of House Division.

Some take cusp as the middle of the house, whereas the others take it as the

beginning point- as done in Western Astrology.

By the way, these reputed astrologers has done a special deep research in

astrology and found that

the starlord or sublord or subsub lord of the 4th cusp from any natal position (

some use house, some even extend it to natal planetary positions)- is

highly negative towards the significations of the natal position (house or

planets)

PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE CLASSICAL KERALA SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY (INCLUDING JATAKA

PARIJATA) THE PLAENTS RULING OVER DREKANA AND NAVAMSA, CONSTELLATION (8th cusp

or 19th nakshatra = Vainasika - deathlike suffering )ETC. OF THE 8TH CUSP ARE

TERMED AS

LORD OF KHARA DREKANA, LORD OF KHARA NAVAMSA AND LORD OF KHARA NAKSHTATRA OR

KHARA TARA.

SO IF YOU FIND THE 4TH OR 8TH OR THE 12TH CUSP OF ANY HOUSE UNDER EQUAL HOUSE

SYSTEM IT WILL BE RULED BY THE -

SAME STAR,

SAME SUB AND

SAME SUB SUB.

USING PLACIDUS HOUSE SYSTEM THE

KHARA NAKSHATRA LORD WILL BE THE SAME,

BUT THE

LORD OF SUB AND SUBSUB FOR THE 4TH, 8TH AND 12TH CUSP WILL DIFFER.

BY THE WAY

BUT THERE IS NO CLEAR CUT

AND SATISFACTORY EXPLANATIONS FORM

THE FOLLOWER OF THESE SYSTEMS (KP, NEO-KP AND CUSPAL INTERLINKS)

WHY THEY TAG THE 4TH CUSP from any natal position as MALEFIC ?

I am not able to understand what would have been the harm in

admitting that

the traditional principle of use of 'Vainasika Nakshatra' etc. are

being used in case of subs and subsubs !

KP introduced the use of Western Aspects in his Paddhati.

( Indian Astrology already had the Sripati Paddhati- which is not only about the

system of house division...it includes exact calculation of aspects- measurable

in numerical units, whereas we get no numerical unit for Western Aspects- for

comparision. )

KP introduced Placidus System of Houses and found out superflous significator

planets ruling over

various subject matters of

houses....and later on introduced the principle of

Ruling Planets (Planets ruling Lagna Bala/ Chandra Bala and Kala Bala or

temporal strength in Electional Astrology)

to weed out the superflous siginificator planets !

A good number of educated persons after KP has learnt his system, modified it,

given it different names.

But still the 'copy paste errors' remains.

Perhaps questioning the tradition would have been an insult to the traditions !

(sorry ! Krishnamurthy did not believed in Parampara or Tradition....but

unfailingly their disciples do....at least in copy pasting their Guru's

errors...but not his moral courage and originality of thinking to question

wrongs /confusions prevailing in the exsiting system of astrlogical literatures.

Why Placidus system of House, what is the scientific logic in support of it, Why

not Campnus, or Rogimentous etc. ?

Beyond 67 degree latitude, all the 12 houses merge to form only 2 houses only,

using all these mathematical modesl of houses except the Equal House System.

How to explain horoscopes of natives born there ?

Why redundancy of significators ?

Why their elilmination through Ruling Planets ?

Hope astrologers of the time have the courage and patience for bearing rightful

and progressive criticism- ability to think their own thoughts- abiliity to

identify and rectify their own mistakes for progress and prosperity.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

Dear Mritunjay ji and all,

It is clearly evident from your mail, that You have not studied the KP system in detail and a hotpotch or a mix remains ingrained in your mindset about KP, which tends to be projected throught his mail of Yours.

1) First of all Orginal KP and the Cuspal interlinks must not be mixed without a proper study.

2) Why Placidus system was chosen – the answer is easily available if the KP Readers are read and Understood. I need not spend time over the same. But You see I am using the Placidus House system and have been successful in same, as is known by the members of the various Jyotish groups. In fact I have been tested by foreign astrologers and have passed their tests too in their Groups in propounding KP Principles. So the proof lies in eating the pudding and not in critical descriptions.

3) As mentioned before had You read the Original KP readers well enough you could have understood that Krishnamurthyji admitted to KP comingfrom the traditional principles of Stellar use, and not the other way round. In fact he lays stress on the fact not to despise the Traditional system, rather consider KP as the cream from the Parashar Traditional Thoory which can be considered as the Milk.

4) If You had understood the KP theory properly, you would have also understood that the SubLord is nothing but the Nakshatra pratyantar Lord of any planet.

5) There is no confusion in KP as you tend to believe due to not understanding the theory or the practical utility of the same. Do not mix it with the newer theories and you will be a in a better position to understand the same.

6) What errors are you talking of by KP Guru? Talk with me and I will put your fears to rest. Just because he is not there to defend himself we cannot go about talking anything detrimental about anyone, especially those who have proved themselves beyond any doubts.

7) What wrong do you see in the Ruling planets theory? Scores of KP followers are using the same without problem, and just because it is not understood by the majority does not mean that it is redundant?

I was in Jaipur last week, and was having lunch at a Lady's place who is a Politician in her own way. This lady after lunch, asked me to study 4 Charts of her family members which I did, and when I was about to leave she asked me one more Query. Her servants wife who stayed in the same Bungalow, had ran away from the house overnight taking few belongings with her, and I was asked whether the husband servant would find his wife, and if yes, then when ?

Using the Ruling Planets of the moment of judgement (Since the servant had no birth chart or birth details) I took just 5 minutes to pass the results that her servant would find his wife in Delhi, on the 20th. And yesterday was the 20th, and I got a call from her saying that indeed the servant had found his wife in Delhi on the 20th. She told me to inform her of my next visit to jaipur (Soon) and she would make sure that I have the line of the best Top notch families seated waiting for me, to study their charts, professionally. In case You don't believe this, then I invite 10 esteemed members from this Group staying in Delhi who may come alongwith me to jaipur and ask the lady about this incident.

Let us not criticize, and if we have to do so, then study well before pointing out mistakes where there are none. Half knowledge is bad knowledge. Study a system well before mixing it with others and spoiling the broth and then blaming the ingredients.

Please argue with me only if you have any stuff worthwhile to argue with me. But criticism without any base, or just to use a platform for display of half knowledge of various systems is just a waste of time. I am a busy man please.

Regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Mrutyunjay Tripathy" <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The people using stellar and sub-stellar or sub-sub stellar theory in different name such as Krishnamurthy Paddhati (KP or late illustrious astrologer Shri Krishnamurthy) or> > theory of cuspal interlinks ( Shri K B Bhaskaran, and Shri S P Khullar if I remember the name correctly)> > are/ were for reasons that sub or sub-sub of each cusp gets ruled by different planet > > had/having special preference for > going for Placidus Systems of House Division.> > Some take cusp as the middle of the house, whereas the others take it as the beginning point- as done in Western Astrology.> > > By the way, these reputed astrologers has done a special deep research in astrology and found that> > the starlord or sublord or subsub lord of the 4th cusp from any natal position ( some use house, some even extend it to natal planetary positions)- is > > highly negative towards the significations of the natal position (house or planets)> > PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE CLASSICAL KERALA SYSTEM OF ASTROLOGY (INCLUDING JATAKA PARIJATA) THE PLAENTS RULING OVER DREKANA AND NAVAMSA, CONSTELLATION (8th cusp or 19th nakshatra = Vainasika - deathlike suffering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from any natal position as MALEFIC ?> > > I am not able to understand what would have been the harm in > admitting that> > the traditional principle of use of 'Vainasika Nakshatra' etc. are> > being used in case of subs and subsubs !> > > KP introduced the use of Western Aspects in his Paddhati. > > ( Indian Astrology already had the Sripati Paddhati- which is not only about the system of house division...it includes exact calculation of aspects- measurable in numerical units, whereas we get no numerical unit for Western Aspects- for comparision. )> > KP introduced Placidus System of Houses and found out superflous significator planets ruling over > various subject matters of> > houses....and later on introduced the principle of> > Ruling Planets (Planets ruling Lagna Bala/ Chandra Bala and Kala Bala or temporal strength in Electional Astrology)> > to weed out the superflous siginificator planets !> > A good number of educated persons after KP has learnt his system, modified it, given it different names.> > But still the 'copy paste errors' remains.> > Perhaps questioning the tradition would have been an insult to the traditions ! (sorry ! Krishnamurthy did not believed in Parampara or Tradition....but unfailingly their disciples do....at least in copy pasting their Guru's errors...but not his moral courage and originality of thinking to question wrongs /confusions prevailing in the exsiting system of astrlogical literatures.> > Why Placidus system of House, what is the scientific logic in support of it, Why not Campnus, or Rogimentous etc. ?> > Beyond 67 degree latitude, all the 12 houses merge to form only 2 houses only, using all these mathematical modesl of houses except the Equal House System.> > How to explain horoscopes of natives born there ?> > Why redundancy of significators ?> > Why their elilmination through Ruling Planets ?> > > Hope astrologers of the time have the courage and patience for bearing rightful and progressive criticism- ability to think their own thoughts- abiliity to identify and rectify their own mistakes for progress and prosperity.> > Regards,> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy>