Vasanta rtu’s beginning or the equinox (Ayanamsa)

Dear Shreenadh, Can you please check with the following statement by one of a great astrologer who was talking on Mahabharat : " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox was at minus 23.4°. "

Both your statements are actually contradictory. best, Kishore patnaik On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All, This mail and response happened between Kishore ji and Me in our private mail. But I think the group also can benefit from this mail. Therefore I am forwarding it to the group. Love and regards,Sreenadh

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, sreenadh <sreesog wrote:sreenadh <sreesog

Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:03 PM

 

Dear Kishore ji, As per True Ayanamsa (Surya Siddhanta/Chandra Hari):

Ayanamsa for the year (Y) = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees. Where 238 is the Zero Ayanamsa

year and 71.55 is the heart beat speed (the connection ratio between the rhythm of the solar system and the human body). [Note that it is a very simple and straight formula and that therefore it is very easy to calculate ayanamsa for any year based on this formula]

Therefore,Ayanamsa for the year 2009 (Y=2009) = (2009 - 238) / 71.55 Degrees = 24.751921733053808525506638714186 Degrees.That meas that, in the year AD 2009, Vernal Equinox was 24.7519 degrees away from the beginning of Meshadi/Aswinyadi. OR in other words Vernal Equinox is 95.248 Degrees away from Moola Star.

Hope this clarifies. Love and regards,Sreenadh --- On Wed, 1/14/09,

kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09

Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox " sreenadh " <sreesogWednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:47 PMCan you please tell me where is the Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox in 2009

 

regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

Dear Kishore ji,

First of all, let me say that, I don't have any idea who is this

'great astrologer talking on Mahabharat' you are mentioning about.

Please make the statements clear by mentioning the name.

Second, since people follow differnt Ayanamsas (since people are

different opinian about, what should be considered as the beginning

point of Meshadi/Aswinyadi) there are differnt opinians about Ayanamsa

and I have no idea which Ayanamsa opinion the said individual is

following. You should clarify it before proceeding further.

Thirdly, if we agree that we are speaking about Mooladhara Ayanamsa

(alias Chandrahari Ayanamsa inherent in Surya Siddhanta), then -

 

Ayanamsa for the year 1975 = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees = (1975 -238)/71.55

=

 

=

24.276729559748427672955974842767

 

= 24 degree

16.6 min.

 

The minus OK, since what we want to say is that the equinox is 24 deg

16.6 min behind Meshadi/Aswinyadi.

 

The statement you quoted reads - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or

the equinox was at minus 23.4°

My statement would read - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or the

equinox was at minus 24.2767°

 

There is a difference of around 52 min approx. between these two

statements which indicate that the other person was using/referring to

some other ayanamsa , possibly something like Lahari Ayanamsa or True

Chitra paksha Ayanamsa.

 

This is my understanding - I could be wrong since I am not an expert

in such matters.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

- In , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh,

>

> Can you please check with the following statement by one of a great

> astrologer who was talking on Mahabharat : " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's

beginning

> or the equinox was at minus 23.4°. "

>

> Both your statements are actually contradictory.

>

> best,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

>

>

> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, sreenadh sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear All,

> > This mail and response happened between Kishore ji and Me in our

private

> > mail. But I think the group also can benefit from this mail.

Therefore I am

> > forwarding it to the group.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, sreenadh sreesog* wrote:

> >

> > sreenadh sreesog

> > Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox

> > " kishore patnaik " kishorepatnaik09

> >

> > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:03 PM

> >

> > Dear Kishore ji,

> >

> > As per True Ayanamsa (Surya Siddhanta/Chandra Hari):

> >

> > Ayanamsa for the year (Y) = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees.

> > Where 238 is the Zero Ayanamsa year and 71.55 is the heart beat

speed

> > (the connection ratio between the rhythm of the solar system and the

human

> > body).

> > [Note that it is a very simple and straight formula and that

therefore it

> > is very easy to calculate ayanamsa for any year based on this

formula]

> > Therefore,

> > Ayanamsa for the year 2009 (Y=2009) = (2009 - 238) / 71.55 Degrees =

> > 24.751921733053808525506638714186 Degrees.

> >

> > That meas that, in the year AD 2009, Vernal Equinox was 24.7519

degrees

> > away from the beginning of Meshadi/Aswinyadi. OR in other words

Vernal

> > Equinox is 95.248 Degrees away from Moola Star.

> >

> > Hope this clarifies.

> > Love and regards,

> > *Sreenadh*

> >

> > --- On *Wed, 1/14/09, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09* wrote:

> >

> > kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09

> > Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox

> > " sreenadh " sreesog

> > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:47 PM

> >

> > Can you please tell me where is the Vasanta rtu's beginning or the

equinox

> > in 2009

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

Dear Sreenadh,

 

Thanks for the reply. Really speaking no one is an expert. We are only trying to embetter ourselves

all the time - eternal students, so to say.Here, it is mentioned by Dr Upinder Singh in her book on Delhi that one professor Raja has calculated the date of Mbh to be 3067 bce. While I do not agree with the conclusions, I have given one piece of information given by the professor.

Let me reproduce: (it is not copy and paste: I have typed it) "

Prof Raja, a participant in the Vidur Ashram

seminar, is of the opinion that the war

was fought on November 22,3067 bce.

 

The learned professor has

calculated this date on the basis of the position of certain stars and the

position of the sun in the zodiac. He says that when Yudhistara performed the

rajasuya yaga on the New Moon day with jyestha

and moola nakshatra the sun was at

240.2° Just before the commencement of the war with amavasya and nakshatra the

sun's position was 224.75° After three lunation the sun was at 312.06° in the

zodiac. Sun's position on sukla astami in the month of magha was 318.6° and the

moon was at a distance of 90° ie in the

Rohini nakshatra. Therefore at the commence of the vasanta rtu, the equinox was

at 46.5° Now in 1975, vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox was at minus 23.4° Hence, the equinox has slipped by

69.9° Average of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5° per

degree. Calculation of the equinox is 72.5°. Calculating the interval between

the MBh war and 1975 on this basis , we arrive at 5068 years or 3093 bce. Another

astronomical feature mentioned in the Udyoga parva is that on Jyestha day,

Jupiter and Saturn were in the constellation of Rohini; while Sun, moon and

Rahu were in Jyestha, causing solar eclipse. Calculations on the basis of this

observation would lead to the date October 13, 3067 bce as the date of the war.

Sarad rtu began on this day when the sun was at 224. 75°. Amavasya preceded the

commencement of the Saradrtu and henc,e it began in the atimasa. The succeeding

new moon comes in the month of margasira. It is therefore, on the sukla Ekadasi

day of this month, that the war was fought. Sukla Ekadasi , with krittika

nakshatra falls on Friday, November 22,3067 bce. " regards, Kishore patnaik

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 1/16/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kishore ji,First of all, let me say that, I don't have any idea who is this'great astrologer talking on Mahabharat' you are mentioning about.Please make the statements clear by mentioning the name.

Second, since people follow differnt Ayanamsas (since people aredifferent opinian about, what should be considered as the beginningpoint of Meshadi/Aswinyadi) there are differnt opinians about Ayanamsaand I have no idea which Ayanamsa opinion the said individual is

following. You should clarify it before proceeding further.Thirdly, if we agree that we are speaking about Mooladhara Ayanamsa(alias Chandrahari Ayanamsa inherent in Surya Siddhanta), then -Ayanamsa for the year 1975 = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees = (1975 -238)/71.55

==24.276729559748427672955974842767= 24 degree16.6 min.The minus OK, since what we want to say is that the equinox is 24 deg16.6 min behind Meshadi/Aswinyadi.The statement you quoted reads - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or

the equinox was at minus 23.4°My statement would read - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or theequinox was at minus 24.2767°There is a difference of around 52 min approx. between these two

statements which indicate that the other person was using/referring tosome other ayanamsa , possibly something like Lahari Ayanamsa or TrueChitra paksha Ayanamsa.This is my understanding - I could be wrong since I am not an expert

in such matters.Love and regards,Sreenadh- In , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Shreenadh,>> Can you please check with the following statement by one of a great> astrologer who was talking on Mahabharat : " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's

beginning> or the equinox was at minus 23.4°. " >> Both your statements are actually contradictory.>> best,>> Kishore patnaik

>>>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, sreenadh sreesog wrote:>> > Dear All,> > This mail and response happened between Kishore ji and Me in our

private> > mail. But I think the group also can benefit from this mail.Therefore I am> > forwarding it to the group.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, sreenadh sreesog* wrote:

> >> > sreenadh sreesog > Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox> > " kishore patnaik " kishorepatnaik09

> >> > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:03 PM> >> > Dear Kishore ji,> >> > As per True Ayanamsa (Surya Siddhanta/Chandra Hari):

> >> > Ayanamsa for the year (Y) = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees.> > Where 238 is the Zero Ayanamsa year and 71.55 is the heart beatspeed> > (the connection ratio between the rhythm of the solar system and the

human> > body).> > [Note that it is a very simple and straight formula and thattherefore it> > is very easy to calculate ayanamsa for any year based on thisformula]> > Therefore,

> > Ayanamsa for the year 2009 (Y=2009) = (2009 - 238) / 71.55 Degrees => > 24.751921733053808525506638714186 Degrees.> >> > That meas that, in the year AD 2009, Vernal Equinox was 24.7519

degrees> > away from the beginning of Meshadi/Aswinyadi. OR in other wordsVernal> > Equinox is 95.248 Degrees away from Moola Star.> >> > Hope this clarifies.> > Love and regards,

> > *Sreenadh*> >> > --- On *Wed, 1/14/09, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09* wrote:> >> > kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09

> > Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox> > " sreenadh " sreesog > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:47 PM> >> > Can you please tell me where is the Vasanta rtu's beginning or the

equinox> > in 2009> >> > regards,> >> > Kishore patnaik> >> >> >> >> >>

Dear Kishore ji, ==>> Average of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5° per

degree. <== What kind of calculation is that!!!!! Even the beginner students of astrology know that the annual precession is around 50 seconds per year. Ofcourse there occurs very slight variation the precision value every year. Even for 100 years this variation is very minute. Then how he is getting/assuming that the precision value is 72.5? That too "per degree" and not "per year"?!!! What kind of absurd maths he is using?! If his basic premise itself is wrong, how can his other statements or conclutions be correct? - I wonder. So what ever be the arguments of the said Prof Raja, it does not hold any value or water. It is better to just ignore it and move on - why waste our time after him?Love and regards,Sreenadh , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> > Thanks for the reply. Really speaking no one is an expert. We are only> trying to embetter ourselves> all the time - eternal students, so to say.> > Here, it is mentioned by Dr Upinder Singh in her book on Delhi that one> professor Raja has calculated the date of Mbh to be 3067 bce.> > While I do not agree with the conclusions, I have given one piece of> information given by the professor.> > Let me reproduce:> > (it is not copy and paste: I have typed it)> > "> > Prof Raja, a participant in the Vidur Ashram seminar, is of the opinion> that the war was fought on November 22,3067 bce.> > > > The learned professor has calculated this date on the basis of the position> of certain stars and the position of the sun in the zodiac. He says that> when Yudhistara performed the rajasuya yaga on the New Moon day with jyestha> and moola nakshatra the sun was at 240.2° Just before the commencement of> the war with amavasya and nakshatra the sun's position was 224.75° After> three lunation the sun was at 312.06° in the zodiac. Sun's position on sukla> astami in the month of magha was 318.6° and the moon was at a distance of> 90° ie in the Rohini nakshatra. Therefore at the commence of the vasanta> rtu, the equinox was at 46.5° Now in 1975, vasanta rtu's beginning or the> equinox was at minus 23.4° Hence, the equinox has slipped by 69.9° Average> of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5° per degree.> Calculation of the equinox is 72.5°. Calculating the interval between the> MBh war and 1975 on this basis , we arrive at 5068 years or 3093 bce.> Another astronomical feature mentioned in the Udyoga parva is that on> Jyestha day, Jupiter and Saturn were in the constellation of Rohini; while> Sun, moon and Rahu were in Jyestha, causing solar eclipse. Calculations on> the basis of this observation would lead to the date October 13, 3067 bce as> the date of the war. Sarad rtu began on this day when the sun was at 224.> 75°. Amavasya preceded the commencement of the Saradrtu and henc,e it began> in the atimasa. The succeeding new moon comes in the month of margasira. It> is therefore, on the sukla Ekadasi day of this month, that the war was> fought. Sukla Ekadasi , with krittika nakshatra falls on Friday, November> 22,3067 bce."> > regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/16/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> >> > Dear Kishore ji,> > First of all, let me say that, I don't have any idea who is this> > 'great astrologer talking on Mahabharat' you are mentioning about.> > Please make the statements clear by mentioning the name.> > Second, since people follow differnt Ayanamsas (since people are> > different opinian about, what should be considered as the beginning> > point of Meshadi/Aswinyadi) there are differnt opinians about Ayanamsa> > and I have no idea which Ayanamsa opinion the said individual is> > following. You should clarify it before proceeding further.> > Thirdly, if we agree that we are speaking about Mooladhara Ayanamsa> > (alias Chandrahari Ayanamsa inherent in Surya Siddhanta), then -> >> > Ayanamsa for the year 1975 = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees = (1975 -238)/71.55> > => >> > => > 24.276729559748427672955974842767> >> > = 24 degree> > 16.6 min.> >> > The minus OK, since what we want to say is that the equinox is 24 deg> > 16.6 min behind Meshadi/Aswinyadi.> >> > The statement you quoted reads - ""In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or> > the equinox was at minus 23.4°> > My statement would read - ""In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or the> > equinox was at minus 24.2767°> >> > There is a difference of around 52 min approx. between these two> > statements which indicate that the other person was using/referring to> > some other ayanamsa , possibly something like Lahari Ayanamsa or True> > Chitra paksha Ayanamsa.> >> > This is my understanding - I could be wrong since I am not an expert> > in such matters.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > - In <%40>,> > "kishore patnaik"> > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh,> > >> > > Can you please check with the following statement by one of a great> > > astrologer who was talking on Mahabharat : "In 1975, Vasanta rtu's> > beginning> > > or the equinox was at minus 23.4°."> > >> > > Both your statements are actually contradictory.> > >> > > best,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > This mail and response happened between Kishore ji and Me in our> > private> > > > mail. But I think the group also can benefit from this mail.> > Therefore I am> > > > forwarding it to the group.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, sreenadh sreesog@* wrote:> > > >> > > > sreenadh sreesog@> > > > Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox> > > > "kishore patnaik" kishorepatnaik09@> > > >> > > > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:03 PM> > > >> > > > Dear Kishore ji,> > > >> > > > As per True Ayanamsa (Surya Siddhanta/Chandra Hari):> > > >> > > > Ayanamsa for the year (Y) = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees.> > > > Where 238 is the Zero Ayanamsa year and 71.55 is the heart beat> > speed> > > > (the connection ratio between the rhythm of the solar system and the> > human> > > > body).> > > > [Note that it is a very simple and straight formula and that> > therefore it> > > > is very easy to calculate ayanamsa for any year based on this> > formula]> > > > Therefore,> > > > Ayanamsa for the year 2009 (Y=2009) = (2009 - 238) / 71.55 Degrees => > > > 24.751921733053808525506638714186 Degrees.> > > >> > > > That meas that, in the year AD 2009, Vernal Equinox was 24.7519> > degrees> > > > away from the beginning of Meshadi/Aswinyadi. OR in other words> > Vernal> > > > Equinox is 95.248 Degrees away from Moola Star.> > > >> > > > Hope this clarifies.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > *Sreenadh*> > > >> > > > --- On *Wed, 1/14/09, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09@* wrote:> > > >> > > > kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09@> > > > Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox> > > > "sreenadh" sreesog@> > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:47 PM> > > >> > > > Can you please tell me where is the Vasanta rtu's beginning or the> > equinox> > > > in 2009> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Kishore patnaik> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

typo 72.5 years per degreeKishore patnaik On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kishore ji, ==>> Average of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5° per

degree. <== What kind of calculation is that!!!!! Even the beginner students of astrology know that the annual precession is around 50 seconds per year. Ofcourse there occurs very slight variation the precision value every year. Even for 100 years this variation is very minute. Then how he is getting/assuming that the precision value is 72.5? That too " per degree " and not " per year " ?!!! What kind of absurd maths he is using?! If his basic premise itself is wrong, how can his other statements or conclutions be correct? - I wonder. So what ever be the arguments of the said Prof Raja, it does not hold any value or water. It is better to just ignore it and move on - why waste our time after him?

Love and regards,Sreenadh , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>> Dear Sreenadh,> > Thanks for the reply. Really speaking no one is an expert. We are only> trying to embetter ourselves> all the time - eternal students, so to say.

> > Here, it is mentioned by Dr Upinder Singh in her book on Delhi that one> professor Raja has calculated the date of Mbh to be 3067 bce.> > While I do not agree with the conclusions, I have given one piece of

> information given by the professor.> > Let me reproduce:> > (it is not copy and paste: I have typed it)> > " > > Prof Raja, a participant in the Vidur Ashram seminar, is of the opinion

> that the war was fought on November 22,3067 bce.> > > > The learned professor has calculated this date on the basis of the position> of certain stars and the position of the sun in the zodiac. He says that

> when Yudhistara performed the rajasuya yaga on the New Moon day with jyestha> and moola nakshatra the sun was at 240.2° Just before the commencement of> the war with amavasya and nakshatra the sun's position was 224.75° After

> three lunation the sun was at 312.06° in the zodiac. Sun's position on sukla> astami in the month of magha was 318.6° and the moon was at a distance of> 90° ie in the Rohini nakshatra. Therefore at the commence of the vasanta

> rtu, the equinox was at 46.5° Now in 1975, vasanta rtu's beginning or the> equinox was at minus 23.4° Hence, the equinox has slipped by 69.9° Average> of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5° per degree.

> Calculation of the equinox is 72.5°. Calculating the interval between the> MBh war and 1975 on this basis , we arrive at 5068 years or 3093 bce.> Another astronomical feature mentioned in the Udyoga parva is that on

> Jyestha day, Jupiter and Saturn were in the constellation of Rohini; while> Sun, moon and Rahu were in Jyestha, causing solar eclipse. Calculations on> the basis of this observation would lead to the date October 13, 3067 bce as

> the date of the war. Sarad rtu began on this day when the sun was at 224.> 75°. Amavasya preceded the commencement of the Saradrtu and henc,e it began> in the atimasa. The succeeding new moon comes in the month of margasira. It

> is therefore, on the sukla Ekadasi day of this month, that the war was> fought. Sukla Ekadasi , with krittika nakshatra falls on Friday, November> 22,3067 bce. " > > regards,>

> Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/16/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >> >> > Dear Kishore ji,> > First of all, let me say that, I don't have any idea who is this> > 'great astrologer talking on Mahabharat' you are mentioning about.

> > Please make the statements clear by mentioning the name.> > Second, since people follow differnt Ayanamsas (since people are> > different opinian about, what should be considered as the beginning

> > point of Meshadi/Aswinyadi) there are differnt opinians about Ayanamsa> > and I have no idea which Ayanamsa opinion the said individual is> > following. You should clarify it before proceeding further.

> > Thirdly, if we agree that we are speaking about Mooladhara Ayanamsa> > (alias Chandrahari Ayanamsa inherent in Surya Siddhanta), then -> >> > Ayanamsa for the year 1975 = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees = (1975 -238)/71.55

> > => >> > => > 24.276729559748427672955974842767> >> > = 24 degree> > 16.6 min.> >> > The minus OK, since what we want to say is that the equinox is 24 deg

> > 16.6 min behind Meshadi/Aswinyadi.> >> > The statement you quoted reads - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or> > the equinox was at minus 23.4°> > My statement would read - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or the

> > equinox was at minus 24.2767°> >> > There is a difference of around 52 min approx. between these two> > statements which indicate that the other person was using/referring to> > some other ayanamsa , possibly something like Lahari Ayanamsa or True

> > Chitra paksha Ayanamsa.> >> > This is my understanding - I could be wrong since I am not an expert> > in such matters.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >

> > - In <%40>,

> > " kishore patnaik " > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh,> > >> > > Can you please check with the following statement by one of a great

> > > astrologer who was talking on Mahabharat : " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's> > beginning> > > or the equinox was at minus 23.4°. " > > >> > > Both your statements are actually contradictory.

> > >> > > best,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > This mail and response happened between Kishore ji and Me in our> > private> > > > mail. But I think the group also can benefit from this mail.

> > Therefore I am> > > > forwarding it to the group.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, sreenadh sreesog@* wrote:

> > > >> > > > sreenadh sreesog@> > > > Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox> > > > " kishore patnaik " kishorepatnaik09@

> > > >> > > > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:03 PM> > > >> > > > Dear Kishore ji,> > > >> > > > As per True Ayanamsa (Surya Siddhanta/Chandra Hari):

> > > >> > > > Ayanamsa for the year (Y) = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees.> > > > Where 238 is the Zero Ayanamsa year and 71.55 is the heart beat> > speed> > > > (the connection ratio between the rhythm of the solar system and the

> > human> > > > body).> > > > [Note that it is a very simple and straight formula and that> > therefore it> > > > is very easy to calculate ayanamsa for any year based on this

> > formula]> > > > Therefore,> > > > Ayanamsa for the year 2009 (Y=2009) = (2009 - 238) / 71.55 Degrees => > > > 24.751921733053808525506638714186 Degrees.> > > >

> > > > That meas that, in the year AD 2009, Vernal Equinox was 24.7519> > degrees> > > > away from the beginning of Meshadi/Aswinyadi. OR in other words> > Vernal> > > > Equinox is 95.248 Degrees away from Moola Star.

> > > >> > > > Hope this clarifies.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > *Sreenadh*> > > >> > > > --- On *Wed, 1/14/09, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09@* wrote:

> > > >> > > > kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09@> > > > Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox> > > > " sreenadh " sreesog@> > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:47 PM

> > > >> > > > Can you please tell me where is the Vasanta rtu's beginning or the> > equinox> > > > in 2009> > > >> > > > regards,

> > > >> > > > Kishore patnaik> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >

> >>

Yes 1 degree 0.18 " in 72 years at the rate of 50.2 " per annum.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> typo 72.5 years per degree

>

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Kishore ji,

> > ==>

> > > Average of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is

72.5° per

> > degree.

> > <==

> > What kind of calculation is that!!!!! Even the beginner students of

> > astrology know that the annual precession is around 50 seconds per

year.

> > Ofcourse there occurs very slight variation the precision value

every year.

> > Even for 100 years this variation is very minute. Then how he is

> > getting/assuming that the precision value is 72.5? That too " per

degree " and

> > not " per year " ?!!! What kind of absurd maths he is using?! If his

basic

> > premise itself is wrong, how can his other statements or conclutions

be

> > correct? - I wonder. So what ever be the arguments of the said Prof

Raja, it

> > does not hold any value or water. It is better to just ignore it and

move on

> > - why waste our time after him?

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > , " kishore patnaik "

> > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the reply. Really speaking no one is an expert. We are

only

> > > trying to embetter ourselves

> > > all the time - eternal students, so to say.

> > >

> > > Here, it is mentioned by Dr Upinder Singh in her book on Delhi

that one

> > > professor Raja has calculated the date of Mbh to be 3067 bce.

> > >

> > > While I do not agree with the conclusions, I have given one piece

of

> > > information given by the professor.

> > >

> > > Let me reproduce:

> > >

> > > (it is not copy and paste: I have typed it)

> > >

> > > "

> > >

> > > Prof Raja, a participant in the Vidur Ashram seminar, is of the

opinion

> > > that the war was fought on November 22,3067 bce.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The learned professor has calculated this date on the basis of the

> > position

> > > of certain stars and the position of the sun in the zodiac. He

says that

> > > when Yudhistara performed the rajasuya yaga on the New Moon day

with

> > jyestha

> > > and moola nakshatra the sun was at 240.2° Just before the

commencement of

> > > the war with amavasya and nakshatra the sun's position was

224.75° After

> > > three lunation the sun was at 312.06° in the zodiac. Sun's

position on

> > sukla

> > > astami in the month of magha was 318.6° and the moon was at a

distance of

> > > 90° ie in the Rohini nakshatra. Therefore at the commence of

the vasanta

> > > rtu, the equinox was at 46.5° Now in 1975, vasanta rtu's

beginning or the

> > > equinox was at minus 23.4° Hence, the equinox has slipped by

69.9°

> > Average

> > > of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5°

per degree.

> > > Calculation of the equinox is 72.5°. Calculating the interval

between the

> > > MBh war and 1975 on this basis , we arrive at 5068 years or 3093

bce.

> > > Another astronomical feature mentioned in the Udyoga parva is that

on

> > > Jyestha day, Jupiter and Saturn were in the constellation of

Rohini;

> > while

> > > Sun, moon and Rahu were in Jyestha, causing solar eclipse.

Calculations

> > on

> > > the basis of this observation would lead to the date October 13,

3067 bce

> > as

> > > the date of the war. Sarad rtu began on this day when the sun was

at 224.

> > > 75°. Amavasya preceded the commencement of the Saradrtu and

henc,e it

> > began

> > > in the atimasa. The succeeding new moon comes in the month of

margasira.

> > It

> > > is therefore, on the sukla Ekadasi day of this month, that the war

was

> > > fought. Sukla Ekadasi , with krittika nakshatra falls on Friday,

November

> > > 22,3067 bce. "

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 1/16/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kishore ji,

> > > > First of all, let me say that, I don't have any idea who is this

> > > > 'great astrologer talking on Mahabharat' you are mentioning

about.

> > > > Please make the statements clear by mentioning the name.

> > > > Second, since people follow differnt Ayanamsas (since people are

> > > > different opinian about, what should be considered as the

beginning

> > > > point of Meshadi/Aswinyadi) there are differnt opinians about

Ayanamsa

> > > > and I have no idea which Ayanamsa opinion the said individual is

> > > > following. You should clarify it before proceeding further.

> > > > Thirdly, if we agree that we are speaking about Mooladhara

Ayanamsa

> > > > (alias Chandrahari Ayanamsa inherent in Surya Siddhanta), then -

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa for the year 1975 = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees = (1975

-238)/71.55

> > > > =

> > > >

> > > > =

> > > > 24.276729559748427672955974842767

> > > >

> > > > = 24 degree

> > > > 16.6 min.

> > > >

> > > > The minus OK, since what we want to say is that the equinox is

24 deg

> > > > 16.6 min behind Meshadi/Aswinyadi.

> > > >

> > > > The statement you quoted reads - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's

beginning or

> > > > the equinox was at minus 23.4°

> > > > My statement would read - " " In 1975, Vasanta rtu's beginning or

the

> > > > equinox was at minus 24.2767°

> > > >

> > > > There is a difference of around 52 min approx. between these two

> > > > statements which indicate that the other person was

using/referring to

> > > > some other ayanamsa , possibly something like Lahari Ayanamsa or

True

> > > > Chitra paksha Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > > This is my understanding - I could be wrong since I am not an

expert

> > > > in such matters.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > - In

> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > " kishore patnaik "

> > > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please check with the following statement by one of a

great

> > > > > astrologer who was talking on Mahabharat : " In 1975, Vasanta

rtu's

> > > > beginning

> > > > > or the equinox was at minus 23.4°. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Both your statements are actually contradictory.

> > > > >

> > > > > best,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kishore patnaik

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:32 PM, sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > This mail and response happened between Kishore ji and Me in

our

> > > > private

> > > > > > mail. But I think the group also can benefit from this mail.

> > > > Therefore I am

> > > > > > forwarding it to the group.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, sreenadh sreesog@* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sreenadh sreesog@

> > > > > > Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox

> > > > > > " kishore patnaik " kishorepatnaik09@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:03 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kishore ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per True Ayanamsa (Surya Siddhanta/Chandra Hari):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ayanamsa for the year (Y) = (Y-238)/71.55 degrees.

> > > > > > Where 238 is the Zero Ayanamsa year and 71.55 is the heart

beat

> > > > speed

> > > > > > (the connection ratio between the rhythm of the solar system

and

> > the

> > > > human

> > > > > > body).

> > > > > > [Note that it is a very simple and straight formula and that

> > > > therefore it

> > > > > > is very easy to calculate ayanamsa for any year based on

this

> > > > formula]

> > > > > > Therefore,

> > > > > > Ayanamsa for the year 2009 (Y=2009) = (2009 - 238) / 71.55

Degrees

> > =

> > > > > > 24.751921733053808525506638714186 Degrees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That meas that, in the year AD 2009, Vernal Equinox was

24.7519

> > > > degrees

> > > > > > away from the beginning of Meshadi/Aswinyadi. OR in other

words

> > > > Vernal

> > > > > > Equinox is 95.248 Degrees away from Moola Star.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope this clarifies.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > *Sreenadh*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Wed, 1/14/09, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09@*

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09@

> > > > > > Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox

> > > > > > " sreenadh " sreesog@

> > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:47 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please tell me where is the Vasanta rtu's beginning

or the

> > > > equinox

> > > > > > in 2009

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kishore patnaik

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

You are right in seeing the inaccuracy, because it is an average value and not the exact value. For e/g, Sreenadh proposed 71.55 years per degree but the correct number of years may be fargreater in fact - around 73.15 or so.

However, since my knowledge is limited, I am not able to say anything in this thing. regards,Kishore patnaik On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 5:31 PM, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is actually slightly less than 72 years per degree. 72.5 is a bit inaccurate and might introduce an error of about 35 years in calculation of 5000-5200 years (in the back-calculation of MBH time).

Am I missing something?

Sreenadh <sreesog

Saturday, January 17,

2009 3:28:38 PM Re: Vasanta rtu's beginning or the equinox (Ayanamsa)

 

Dear Kishore ji, ==>> Average of the slip or technically the precision of equinox is 72.5° per

degree. <== What kind of calculation is that!!!!! Even the beginner students of astrology know that the annual precession is around 50 seconds per year. Ofcourse there occurs very slight variation the precision value every year. Even for 100 years this variation is very minute. Then how he is getting/assuming that the precision value is 72.5? That too " per degree " and not " per year " ?!!! What kind of absurd maths he is using?! If his basic premise itself is wrong, how can his other statements or conclutions be correct? - I wonder. So what ever be the arguments of the said Prof Raja, it does not hold any value or water. It is better to just ignore it and move on - why waste our time after him?

Love and regards,Sreenadh