Marriage matching concepts

Good post Sunilji,I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me as if both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha get cancelled if it is present in both?ThanksKiransunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: hare rama krishna , dear grp and memebrs . This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it . actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised him i will write and then do any modifications required; so here is my post ============== In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north . Then we go for papa samya lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places we see any malifics are there in above said places from LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE), some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl with

equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the horoscope, papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu finaly ketu, also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1 Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and malifics will

surely increase the effects. Main consideration while analysing---- 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering position 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do the assessments 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics 7)Then in mans horo papa(

malefics ) should b in 7th house 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly . AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage. 10)dasa santhi nirnayam see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those horoscopes shud not b matched same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its promise in the horoscope.

same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or rahu in one guru or venus and guru see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run together at one time Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same time. if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house then

santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -like this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b calculated firstly before matchting then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his experience and reasoning power . all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all are considerd good. some nimittas are bad which needs special attention seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual power ) of jyothishi) I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good amnt of astro principles . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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Hare rama krishna ,

dear kiran ji ,

 

A good point put forward by u .

if both has same dosha ,the principle is both get cancelled ,samam samena haram ( means 2 negetives make a positiv -i think Homeo medicine uses this techniq ) .suppose some one has wife death yoga ( means his wife will die and he will liv longer ) and a lady has similar yoga known as vaidhavya yoga .so how can it materialise if both charts are matched for a marriage ,As each will get cancelled each other .

 

But i heard similar to ur arguement by differrent school of thought .

 

But here we can take rishi munis vakya and our experinces and what is taught to us by our gurus esp the parampara which is unbroken and has 1000s of years knowledge behind them which is coming like river ganga from the head of Lord siva .

 

Ya still i dont think the matchting only need not gaurantee the quality of married life ( it will surely will contribute the lenght of married life and protection for kids as dasa matchting is done for 25 to 30 years ,so the eldest kid will be a earning memebr by then ) unless good happiness in chart is promised .In cases sudden death of spouce -u can see that in majority of the cases ,they were very happily married and may be even others may be jealous abt the happy couples .And suddenly the bad yoga in chart surfaces .

 

The matchting is very serious one which is not the realm of beginers and it needs high command of astro principles if u wanted to employ it fully .But u know how carelessly todays parents do it .

 

Still i dont disclose one techniq which can ascertain the total qaulity of couples chart ( physical ,mental and material attitudes of couples ) which is taught to me by sreeram sreenivas ji and i am under the oath of secrecy as its very rare techniq and i think he learned from his guru sri K N rao .

 

I find it is very useful for determining the quality of 2 partners in business also ,if u combine with dasas running after commencement of business along with the attributes showing in chart .

 

spouce is our partner in life .

Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me to add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for marriage who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic than any material or outside consideration.

 

and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam ---like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in --of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples will be protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their problems in case if any .

 

thanks for ur enthusiasm and keep up ur quest for knowledge .

 

It will deffenitly come to u .

All the best

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

 

, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> Good post Sunilji,> > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same dosha (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me as if both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha get cancelled if it is present in both?> > Thanks> Kiran> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > hare rama krishna ,> dear grp and memebrs .> This is my post long back published in another grp and now again many requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re posting it .> actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i promised him i will write and then do any modifications required;> so here is my post > ==============> In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use differnet than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one mark and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> Then we go for papa samya> lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness and sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha mangala stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th house is sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places > we see any malifics are there in above said places from LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as considered 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and girl with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th and 8th matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in the case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the horoscope,> papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most malefic is mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then sun,rahu finaly ketu,> also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also in lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means good strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust ) will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects and malifics will surely increase the effects.> Main consideration while analysing----> 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering position> 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and do the assessments > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who has two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife ) > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of malefics> 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and 8th,if a strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to one years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those horoscopes shud not b matched> same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its promise in the horoscope.> same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in another or rahu in one guru or venus and guru > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run together at one time> Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at same time.> if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya(widowhood),see the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars within two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -like this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b calculated firstly before matchting> then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is daivaanukulyam (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and omens> Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its at the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his experience and reasoning power .> all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and kumkum,somebody is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala dwani like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses all are considerd good.> some nimittas are bad which needs special attention > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing some animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended for matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( spiritual power ) of jyothishi)> > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its not a Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a good amnt of astro principles .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.>

Namaste Sunilji,

 

///Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me

to add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for

marriage who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic

than any material or outside consideration.

 

 

 

and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam --

-like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in --

of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples will

be protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their

problems in case if any .///

 

Very interesting thoughts.. when 2 people love each other equally..

they will pray for their wishes to be fulfilled...

 

What is the force that draws them so forcefully?? Past life

connections???

 

Regards

Sheevani

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna ,

>

> dear kiran ji ,

>

>

>

> A good point put forward by u .

>

> if both has same dosha ,the principle is both get cancelled ,samam

> samena haram ( means 2 negetives make a positiv -i think Homeo

medicine

> uses this techniq ) .suppose some one has wife death yoga ( means

his

> wife will die and he will liv longer ) and a lady has similar yoga

known

> as vaidhavya yoga .so how can it materialise if both charts are

matched

> for a marriage ,As each will get cancelled each other .

>

>

>

> But i heard similar to ur arguement by differrent school of

thought .

>

>

>

> But here we can take rishi munis vakya and our experinces and what

is

> taught to us by our gurus esp the parampara which is unbroken and

has

> 1000s of years knowledge behind them which is coming like river

ganga

> from the head of Lord siva .

>

>

>

> Ya still i dont think the matchting only need not gaurantee the

> quality of married life ( it will surely will contribute the lenght

of

> married life and protection for kids as dasa matchting is done for

25 to

> 30 years ,so the eldest kid will be a earning memebr by then )

unless

> good happiness in chart is promised .In cases sudden death of

spouce -u

> can see that in majority of the cases ,they were very happily

married

> and may be even others may be jealous abt the happy couples .And

> suddenly the bad yoga in chart surfaces .

>

>

>

> The matchting is very serious one which is not the realm of

beginers and

> it needs high command of astro principles if u wanted to employ it

fully

> .But u know how carelessly todays parents do it .

>

>

>

> Still i dont disclose one techniq which can ascertain the total

qaulity

> of couples chart ( physical ,mental and material attitudes of

couples )

> which is taught to me by sreeram sreenivas ji and i am under the

oath of

> secrecy as its very rare techniq and i think he learned from his

guru

> sri K N rao .

>

>

>

> I find it is very useful for determining the quality of 2 partners

in

> business also ,if u combine with dasas running after commencement of

> business along with the attributes showing in chart .

>

>

>

> spouce is our partner in life .

>

> Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me

to

> add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for

marriage

> who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic than

any

> material or outside consideration.

>

>

>

> and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam

> ---like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in

> --of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples

will be

> protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their

problems in

> case if any .

>

>

>

> thanks for ur enthusiasm and keep up ur quest for knowledge .

>

>

>

> It will deffenitly come to u .

>

> All the best

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

, Kiran R

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Good post Sunilji,

> >

> > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same

dosha

> (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me

as if

> both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha

get

> cancelled if it is present in both?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Kiran

> >

> >

> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > hare rama krishna ,

> > dear grp and memebrs .

> > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again

many

> requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re

posting it

> .

> > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i

promised

> him i will write and then do any modifications required;

> > so here is my post

> > ==============

> > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by

> matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use

differnet

> than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like

> godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree

> dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one

mark

> and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata

> ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must

> > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .

> > Then we go for papa samya

> > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness

and

> sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha

mangala

> stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th

house is

> sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places

> > we see any malifics are there in above said places from

> LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),

> > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as

considered

> 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the

> papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and

girl

> with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th

and 8th

> matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in

the

> case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family

> happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the

> horoscope,

> > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most

malefic is

> mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then

sun,rahu

> finaly ketu,

> > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also

in

> lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1

> > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means

good

> strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )

> will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects

and

> malifics will surely increase the effects.

> > Main consideration while analysing----

> > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering

> position

> > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction

> > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced

> > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and

do

> the assessments

> > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who

has

> two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )

> > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of

malefics

> > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house

> > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and

8th,if a

> strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .

> > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va

> > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya

> > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.

> > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam

> > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to

one

> years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those

> horoscopes shud not b matched

> > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its

> promise in the horoscope.

> > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in

another or

> rahu in one guru or venus and guru

> > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run

> together at one time

> > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or

> karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at

same

> time.

> > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya

(widowhood),see

> the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his

> naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars

within

> two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage

> > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house

> > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -

like

> this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b

> calculated firstly before matchting

> > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is

daivaanukulyam

> (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and

omens

> > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its

at

> the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his

> experience and reasoning power .

> > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and

kumkum,somebody

> is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples

> coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala

dwani

> like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses

all

> are considerd good.

> > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention

> > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing

some

> animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended

for

> matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam (

spiritual

> power ) of jyothishi)

> >

> > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its

not a

> Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a

good

> amnt of astro principles .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without

> download.

> >

>

Namaste Sheevani 147 madam ji,

 

Let me answer this on behalf of Mr.Sunil Nair. The answer is - Yes.

{Unless such attraction is beyond the greed of property or physical or

fatal attraction...etc...}.

 

It is in Principles of Yoga, that one should meet a person or face an

interview without any preconceived notions or thoughts, for any planning

or thoughts would create mental vibrations, which may be immediately

perceived by the other person and may react contrary to one's

expectations.

 

Hence, it is a strong recommendation by Mother of Aurobindo Ashram i.e.

Mira Alfassa to think deeply on that question asked and respond at that

moment appropriately. Those who know Mother, would know more what she

meant in those few words !!

 

The same rule applies to when meeting people.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

 

Namaste Sunilji,

 

///Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me

to add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for

marriage who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic

than any material or outside consideration.

 

 

 

and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam --

-like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in --

of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples will

be protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their

problems in case if any .///

 

Very interesting thoughts.. when 2 people love each other equally..

they will pray for their wishes to be fulfilled...

 

What is the force that draws them so forcefully?? Past life

connections???

 

Regards

Sheevani

Hare ramakrishna ,

dear shivani ji .

 

yes ,past life connections also decides .

 

I rememebr a case -one of my relatives marriage matchting 3 charts find out that can be taken for consideration and the astrologer who done the prashna pick up one chart which belongs to a poor girl who has no big education or property and and even she was not that good looking also those days except fair skin .

 

Astrologer was telling that they were couples in last birth and this girl has blessing of laxmi and which proved subsequently correct with our experience .

 

Now after 30 years of marriage every year they were rising and happy and conteneded till today .

 

A man who was having a normal job in mumbai then gone to middle east ( when he lost his mumbai job during immediately after marriage they suffered lot -it was a after marriage effect and this made him to look for a different areas in life ) .Now he a partner in a company who has branches in many cities of world and getting big share in company and the poor girl who has not even a good home in living in fully designed house which has lawns and automatic gates with security equipment and a house has swimming pool and other facilities in one of the medium city in kerala .

 

Now their worth can be speculated only .He was one of my elder cousin and now almost 30 yrs passed after marriage .

This is how astrology can help people .And the poor old astrologer is no more and his children are still in profession .I know when VV giri was indian president he visited once this astrologer during his kerala visit .

 

Even i was looking for how the astrologer find out those combinations and still dont know whether he see it tru prashna or chart

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem maha laxmai namah.

 

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Namaste Sunilji,> > ///Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me > to add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for > marriage who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic > than any material or outside consideration.> > > > and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam --> -like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in --> of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples will > be protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their > problems in case if any .///> > Very interesting thoughts.. when 2 people love each other equally.. > they will pray for their wishes to be fulfilled...> > What is the force that draws them so forcefully?? Past life > connections???> > Regards> Sheevani> > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear kiran ji ,> > > > > > > > A good point put forward by u .> > > > if both has same dosha ,the principle is both get cancelled ,samam> > samena haram ( means 2 negetives make a positiv -i think Homeo > medicine> > uses this techniq ) .suppose some one has wife death yoga ( means > his> > wife will die and he will liv longer ) and a lady has similar yoga > known> > as vaidhavya yoga .so how can it materialise if both charts are > matched> > for a marriage ,As each will get cancelled each other .> > > > > > > > But i heard similar to ur arguement by differrent school of > thought .> > > > > > > > But here we can take rishi munis vakya and our experinces and what > is> > taught to us by our gurus esp the parampara which is unbroken and > has> > 1000s of years knowledge behind them which is coming like river > ganga> > from the head of Lord siva .> > > > > > > > Ya still i dont think the matchting only need not gaurantee the> > quality of married life ( it will surely will contribute the lenght > of> > married life and protection for kids as dasa matchting is done for > 25 to> > 30 years ,so the eldest kid will be a earning memebr by then ) > unless> > good happiness in chart is promised .In cases sudden death of > spouce -u> > can see that in majority of the cases ,they were very happily > married> > and may be even others may be jealous abt the happy couples .And> > suddenly the bad yoga in chart surfaces .> > > > > > > > The matchting is very serious one which is not the realm of > beginers and> > it needs high command of astro principles if u wanted to employ it > fully> > .But u know how carelessly todays parents do it .> > > > > > > > Still i dont disclose one techniq which can ascertain the total > qaulity> > of couples chart ( physical ,mental and material attitudes of > couples )> > which is taught to me by sreeram sreenivas ji and i am under the > oath of> > secrecy as its very rare techniq and i think he learned from his > guru> > sri K N rao .> > > > > > > > I find it is very useful for determining the quality of 2 partners > in> > business also ,if u combine with dasas running after commencement of> > business along with the attributes showing in chart .> > > > > > > > spouce is our partner in life .> > > > Again i wanted to add one more line which sri sreenadh ji asked me > to> > add while discussing ,that all rishis endorses the couples for > marriage> > who are mutualy in lov and if such love is pure and platonic than > any> > material or outside consideration.> > > > > > > > and their are so many dictums like mananukulyam prathamam prasastam> > ---like ( which is known as mana : porutham -its is highest match in> > --of all matching principles ) And even rishis says such couples > will be> > protected by god if they seek devine intervention for their > problems in> > case if any .> > > > > > > > thanks for ur enthusiasm and keep up ur quest for knowledge .> > > > > > > > It will deffenitly come to u .> > > > All the best> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Kiran R> > <kiran.rama@> wrote:> > >> > > Good post Sunilji,> > >> > > I have observed that if both male and female horoscope has same > dosha> > (e.g: Kuja dosha), then it gets cancelled. This is a mystery to me > as if> > both have dosha both must suffer and have bad life. How does dosha > get> > cancelled if it is present in both?> > >> > > Thanks> > > Kiran> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > hare rama krishna ,> > > dear grp and memebrs .> > > This is my post long back published in another grp and now again > many> > requests happening in personal and grp mails i thought of re > posting it> > .> > > actualy sreenadhji was discussing abt it some days back and i > promised> > him i will write and then do any modifications required;> > > so here is my post> > > ==============> > > In kerala and what i know generaly in south india we start by> > matchting the rasi in 10 ways like rasi,rasyaadhipa(they use > differnet> > than normal frndship concept),vasyam,ganam(nature like> > godly,demonly),yoni(male /female),dinam,mahendra,stree> > dergham(dooram),rejju and vedham these are 10 and giving each one > mark> > and see if there is more marks and still rejju (ayurvedic -vata> > ,pitta,kapha-i think)and vedha a must> > > or u can use ashta koota methods prevalent in north .> > > Then we go for papa samya> > > lagana(body),2nd(family and speech),4th house (family happiness > and> > sukha stan),7th house (house of marriage ) ,8th house (deergha > mangala> > stan and maraka place and house of money of partner) and 12 th > house is> > sayana sukha stan and house of expenditure------so there is 6 places> > > we see any malifics are there in above said places from> > LAGANA,MOON(MIND) AND VENUS (INDICATOR OF MARRIAGE LIFE),> > > some people will giv equal weightage to lagna and moon (as > considered> > 2nd lagan) venus less weightage as some r of the opinion that the> > papatwa to venus cannot be remedied as a man with loose morals and > girl> > with equaly loose morals can not make good couples, they see 4th > and 8th> > matching only,Only see if too much points venus is gaining esp in > the> > case of girl,it may boost immoral tendencies or deny normal family> > happyness by giving separation or even illness--it depends on the> > horoscope,> > > papatwa is considered in decressing order 8/7/4/12/2/1.Most > malefic is> > mars(planet of aggression and sudden actions),then sani,then > sun,rahu> > finaly ketu,> > > also giv some marks like mars-4/sani-3/sun-2/rah and ketu-1 also > in> > lagana-5/2nd house2/4th house-3,7th house-4/8th house-6/12th house 1> > > Again this we hav to see exceptions ,own house debilataion ,means > good> > strenght can decrees the value and planet neecha or moudya(combust )> > will get 100% value.Only aspect of benefics can reduce the effects > and> > malifics will surely increase the effects.> > > Main consideration while analysing----> > > 1) Papa grahas should b some what equal position or countering> > position> > > 2)If malefic is benefic from bhava concerned can giv reduction> > > 3)if malefic is yoga karak again papatwa will be reduced> > > 4)see major dasa of papas has passed and see their sub period and > do> > the assessments> > > 5)If lady having widowhood in horoscope match with a person who > has> > two marriage or wife marana yaga( death of wife )> > > 6)Main considerations shud b given to 7th and 8th position of > malefics> > > 7)Then in mans horo papa( malefics ) should b in 7th house> > > 8)Even if in female horoscope papas( malefics) r in 7th and > 8th,if a> > strong benefic in 9th then it s solved automaticaly .> > > AS---- navame shubha samyukte sapape aste ashtamepi va> > > pathi putra yuta nari modate natra samsaya> > > 9)see if papa graha dasas coming immediatly after marriage.> > > 10)dasa santhi nirnayam> > > see in both horoscopes same period dasa ends within 6 months to > one> > years ends .See next dasa is maraka, or papa or weak then those> > horoscopes shud not b matched> > > same period dasa of enemy of lagna lord is happening and see its> > promise in the horoscope.> > > same period dasa of mutualy enemys like sun in and sani in > another or> > rahu in one guru or venus and guru> > > see the period of marakas in each horoscope and should not run> > together at one time> > > Also ones maraka dasa and anothers weak dasa of 7th lord or> > karaka,like papayuta,papakartari,neecha etc should not happen at > same> > time.> > > if malefics r in 8th house which can cause vaidhavya> (widowhood),see> > the 8th lord and see in whose house he attained in navamsa -in his> > naisargika dasa can giv the effects.like moon within a year,mars > within> > two year sun 50years ,guru-18th years after marriage> > > or it can giv in dasa of malefics in 8th house> > > then santana chinta (progency) and prosperity and yoga chinta -> like> > this all kinds of stuff frm two horoscopes,longitivity should b> > calculated firstly before matchting> > > then i hav see an elaborate prashna whether there is > daivaanukulyam> > (wish of god ) for this union and see all kinds of nimittas and > omens> > > Now a days nimittas can happen only in villages and in towns its > at> > the discreation of astrologer to add or deduct according to his> > experience and reasoning power .> > > all good omens like bringings of perfumes,sandal and > kumkum,somebody> > is bringing mangal sutra,gold or new dress,married ladies or couples> > coming,seeing of astamangala materials,some come singing,mangala > dwani> > like sankh(conch),bells ringing,cows coming,elephant,royals,horses > all> > are considerd good.> > > some nimittas are bad which needs special attention> > > seeing somebody puts his finger in some hole or in nose /seeing > some> > animals/birds mating --suddenly jyothishi can say not reccommended > for> > matching.(actualy i find all this depends on upasana balam ( > spiritual> > power ) of jyothishi)> > >> > > I hope it can giv some what clear idea abt matching and see its > not a> > Soft ware job .It needs a good calibre jyothishi and who learned a > good> > amnt of astro principles .> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without> > download.> > >> >>

Dear Sreenadh ji,

I quote from your file:

5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating death of wife in horoscope.

 

Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood of the lady is nullified?

 

 

 

7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in 8th house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)

 

How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life in the horoscope?

 

Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second querie may be somewhat personal..

 

thanks..

 

blessings

Renu

, sreenadh <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Kiran ji,> If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance. There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out the results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met - these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology - failing with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is well versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly - this is a point one should remember.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > Kiran R kiran.rama wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding chapters !!!> > Regards> Kiran> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> ==>> > if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > witness some negative results.> <==> True. > ==>> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> <==> I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example -> Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> (Sthri Jatakam)> Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause bad name for her family. > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "panditarjun2004" panditarjun2004@ wrote:> >> > dear kiranji> > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > witness some negative results.> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too > > have vicarious impact.> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > > > , Kiran R > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > >> > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > > conclusion> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen > > from > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars > > in > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of > > this > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results > > when > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > > carefully > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in > > speicific > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya > > yoga.> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make > > a > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman > > does > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > > positive > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man > > is > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > > specifically > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each > > other > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > > kuje, > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow > > a > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > > ancient, > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > > mangal > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if > > the > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet > > in > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > > yogas > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > > auspicious.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > .> > > > > > Sreenadh> : /> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

Well Saturn in 8th house gives a long life. --- On Fri, 1/2/08, renunw <renunw wrote:

renunw <renunw Marriage matching concepts Date: Friday, 1 February, 2008, 8:00 PM

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

I quote from your file:

5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating death of wife in horoscope.

 

Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood of the lady is nullified?

 

 

 

7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in 8th house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)

 

How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life in the horoscope?

 

Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second querie may be somewhat personal..

 

thanks..

 

blessings

Renu

ancient_indian_ astrology, sreenadh <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Kiran ji,> If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance. There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out the results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met - these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology - failing with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is well versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly - this is a point one should remember.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh > > Kiran R kiran.rama@. .. wrote:

Dear Sreenadhji,> > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not hold good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th house, it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas - The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding chapters !!!> > Regards> Kiran> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> ==>> > if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > witness some negative results.> <==> True. > ==>> > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical

> > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> <==> I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone, even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example -> Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> (Sthri Jatakam)> Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause bad name for her family. > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. If Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching

what should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone or the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic) planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you to a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you and Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "panditarjun2004" panditarjun2004@ wrote:> >> > dear kiranji> > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page > > giving an ambivalent view, the

native gets confused with the > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather > > witness some negative results.> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too > > have vicarious impact.> > > > regarding

the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for theoretical > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Kiran R > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > >> > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage - > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house -

both will > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to > > conclusion> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@ > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by

merely mars finding a > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen > > from > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars > > in > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of > > this > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results > > when > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads > > carefully > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in

> > speicific > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya > > yoga.> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make > > a > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman > > does > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a > > positive > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man > > is > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks > > specifically > > > search only for mangliks thinking

that both are made for each > > other > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame > > kuje, > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow > > a > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not > > ancient, > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik, > > mangal > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > >

> > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if > > the > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet > > in > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga > > yogas > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both > > > auspicious.> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com> > > > > .> > > >

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Dear

Renu ji,

First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas

presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor of that

file.

==>

> 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the

> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating

> death of wife in horoscope.

>

> Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood

> of the lady is nullified?

<==

I don't know - that is argument floating around and the

words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is

presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am against

thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the

results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it

matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known

horoscopes.

==>

> 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in 8th

> house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely

> death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)

>

> How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to

> untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life

> in the horoscope?

<==

Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in

8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is high. But

of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more

combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong results

should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations, Dasa,

Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because that is a

standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any result indicated by

some single combination.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > I quote from your file:> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> death of wife in horoscope.> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> of the lady is nullified?> > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in 8th> house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> in the horoscope?> > > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second querie> may be somewhat personal..> > > > thanks..> > > > blessings> > Renu> > > , sreenadh sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may> make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without> even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance. > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out the> results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met -> these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology - failing> with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is well> versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly -> this is a point one should remember.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not hold> good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th house,> it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> >> > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas -> The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> chapters !!!> >> > Regards> > Kiran> >> > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > ==>> > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > witness some negative results.> > <==> > True. > > ==>> > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> theoretical> > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > <==> > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly placed> Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics alone,> even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example -> > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > (Sthri Jatakam)> > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow; if> Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause> bad name for her family.> > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches. If> Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death> of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna> for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone or> the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you to> a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you and> Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "panditarjun2004"> panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > >> > > dear kiranji> > >> > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each page> > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend> > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then come> > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > witness some negative results.> > >> > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the> > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars in> > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts too> > > have vicarious impact.> > >> > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> theoretical> > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > >> > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > >> > > , Kiran R> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Well said Panditji....> > > >> > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage -> > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > >> > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he is> > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another girl> > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > have "Daridrathana"> > > >> > > >> > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd> > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets> > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > >> > > >> > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses> > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana? There> > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe> > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > >> > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > conclusion> > > >> > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > wrote: dear friends> > > >> > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen> > > from> > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india do> > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see mars> > > in> > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > >> > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli yoga> > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > >> > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of> > > this> > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results> > > when> > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > carefully> > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > speicific> > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars giving> > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya> > > yoga.> > > >> > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant make> > > a> > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman> > > does> > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > positive> > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the man> > > is> > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > >> > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > specifically> > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > other> > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > >> > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > kuje,> > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not allow> > > a> > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > >> > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > ancient,> > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > >> > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > >> > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > mangal> > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > >> > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > >> > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if> > > the> > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet> > > in> > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > >> > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books to> > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > yogas> > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > > > auspicious.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> >> >> >> >> > .> >> >> >> >> >> > Sreenadh> > : /> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> it now.> >>

Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,

I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation.

One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more....

==>File:> 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> death of wife in horoscope.

Question:> Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> of the lady is nullified?<== Answer by Sreenadh ji:

" I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "

I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live happyily ever after?

Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?

Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct?

Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.

Thanks...

blessings

Renu>> > Dear Renu ji,> First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor of> that file. > ==>> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> >> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <==> I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this> argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> ==>> > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> 8th> > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> >> > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > in the horoscope?> <==> Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in> 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is> high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more> combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong> results should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations,> Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because> that is a standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any> result indicated by some single combination.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > I quote from your file:> >> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> >> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> >> > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> 8th> > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> >> >> >> > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > in the horoscope?> >> >> >> > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second> querie> > may be somewhat personal..> >> >> >> > thanks..> >> >> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> > , sreenadh sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may> > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without> > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance.> > > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out> the> > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met -> > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology -> failing> > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is> well> > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly -> > this is a point one should remember.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> hold> > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th> house,> > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > >> > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas -> > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> > chapters !!!> > >> > > Regards> > > Kiran> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > ==>> > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > <==> > > True. > > > ==>> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > <==> > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> placed> > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics> alone,> > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example> -> > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow;> if> > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause> > bad name for her family.> > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches.> If> > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death> > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna> > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone> or> > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you> to> > a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you> and> > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > >> > > > dear kiranji> > > >> > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> page> > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend> > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> come> > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > >> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the> > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars> in> > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> too> > > > have vicarious impact.> > > >> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > >> > > > , Kiran R> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > >> > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage> -> > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > >> > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he> is> > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> girl> > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd> > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets> > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> houses> > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> There> > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe> > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > >> > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > conclusion> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > >> > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen> > > > from> > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> do> > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> mars> > > > in> > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > >> > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> yoga> > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > >> > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of> > > > this> > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results> > > > when> > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > carefully> > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > speicific> > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> giving> > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya> > > > yoga.> > > > >> > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> make> > > > a> > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman> > > > does> > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > positive> > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> man> > > > is> > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > >> > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > specifically> > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > other> > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > >> > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > kuje,> > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> allow> > > > a> > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > >> > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > ancient,> > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > >> > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > mangal> > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > >> > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if> > > > the> > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet> > > > in> > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books> to> > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > yogas> > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > > > > auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sreenadh> > > : /> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> Try> > it now.> > >> >>

also one more problem is what reference?in papa samya in textbooks they take diff reference points like lagna, sun and moon - and 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses from there....when u take 3 reference points, almost all houses will have malefics :)This maybe a good discussion point as wellregardskiranrenunw <renunw wrote: Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji, I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. One

second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more.... ==>File:> 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> death of wife in horoscope. Question:> Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> of the lady is nullified?<== Answer by Sreenadh ji: " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am

against thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. " I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live happyily ever after? Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that the

wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage? Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct? Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. Thanks... blessings Renu>> > Dear Renu ji,> First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor of> that file. > ==>> > 5)

If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> >> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <==> I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this> argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> ==>> > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> 8th> > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male

horoscope indicate untimely> > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> >> > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > in the horoscope?> <==> Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in> 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is> high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more> combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong> results should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations,> Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because> that is a standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any> result indicated by some single combination.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> --- In

, "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > I quote from your file:> >> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> >> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> >> > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> 8th> > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> >> >> >> > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > untimely

death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > in the horoscope?> >> >> >> > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second> querie> > may be somewhat personal..> >> >> >> > thanks..> >> >> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> > , sreenadh sreesog@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may> > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without> > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance.> > > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out> the> >

results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met -> > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology -> failing> > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is> well> > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly -> > this is a point one should remember.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> hold> > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th> house,> > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > >> >

> That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas -> > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> > chapters !!!> > >> > > Regards> > > Kiran> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > ==>> > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative results.> > > <==> > > True. > > > ==>> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made

out of it.> > > <==> > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> placed> > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics> alone,> > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example> -> > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow;> if> > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause> > bad name for her family.> > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches.> If> > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death> > of wife/husband in

its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna> > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone> or> > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you> to> > a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you> and> > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > >> > > > dear kiranji> > > >> > > > astrology in olden days even with

all these 1001 principles and> > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> page> > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend> > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> come> > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> planet> > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > witness some negative

results.> > > >> > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the> > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars> in> > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> too> > > > have vicarious impact.> > > >> > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > theoretical> > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > >> > > > , Kiran R> > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > >> > >

> > Well said Panditji....> > > > >> > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage> -> > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > >> > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he> is> > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> girl> > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd> > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that

it gets> > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> houses> > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> There> > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe> > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > >> > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > conclusion> > > > >> > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > >> > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that

too seen> > > > from> > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> do> > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> mars> > > > in> > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > >> > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> yoga> > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > >> > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of> > > > this> > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results> > > > when> > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > carefully> > > > > the entire

probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > speicific> > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> giving> > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya> > > > yoga.> > > > >> > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> make> > > > a> > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman> > > > does> > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > positive> > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> man> > > > is> > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both

are broadminded!> > > > >> > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > specifically> > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > other> > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > >> > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > kuje,> > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> allow> > > > a> > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > >> > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > ancient,> > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > >> > >

> > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > mangal> > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > >> > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > >> > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if> > > > the> > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet> > > > in> > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > astrologers have been given so

many choicest sholkas from books> to> > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > yogas> > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > > > > auspicious.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > .> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sreenadh> > > : /> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

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I will try to answer ur query .

 

Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and happiness is or was the prime concern .

 

So when the doshas r matched the event may get cancelled .

 

EVen we see wat dasa has to offer ,there are some technics which r not disclosed here also .

 

so olden time minimum 30 yrs shud tally for mutual longitivity after marriage also ,so the first kid will be a earning memebr .See we r seeing both charts ,and a good prashna for finalysations along with muhurta during the time of marriage .

 

remebr the sloka --- rakshanti staveera putrasya-Manu smriti ( sun will protect her in old age ) esp those days there is no jobs or insurance schemes or pensions .

 

And i think i will write u prvtly on some methods .( of cource which i use )

regrds sunil nair

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,> > I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any> other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation.> > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the> following a little bit more....> > > ==>File:> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> > Question:> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <==> Answer by Sreenadh ji:> > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this> argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> > I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady> destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with> a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his> horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die> prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood> indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live> happyily ever after?> > Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife> end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would> divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?> > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I> get it correct?> > Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.> > Thanks...> > blessings> > Renu> > >> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor> of> > that file. > > ==>> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > <==> > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of> this> > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere> > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > ==>> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead> to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long> life> > > in the horoscope?> > <==> > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in> > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is> > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more> > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong> > results should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations,> > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because> > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any> > result indicated by some single combination.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > I quote from your file:> > >> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > >> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > >> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead> to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long> life> > > in the horoscope?> > >> > >> > >> > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second> > querie> > > may be somewhat personal..> > >> > >> > >> > > thanks..> > >> > >> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , sreenadh sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house> may> > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations> without> > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance.> > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out> > the> > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met> -> > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology -> > failing> > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is> > well> > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly> -> > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > hold> > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th> > house,> > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > >> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas> -> > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> > > chapters !!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa> is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > <==> > > > True. > > > > ==>> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > <==> > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> > placed> > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics> > alone,> > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For> example> > -> > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow;> > if> > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may> cause> > > bad name for her family.> > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> matches.> > If> > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause> death> > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from> lagna> > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars)> alone> > or> > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you> > to> > > a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you> > and> > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear kiranji> > > > >> > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > page> > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to> spend> > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > come> > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa> is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > >> > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of> the> > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has> mars> > in> > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> > too> > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > >> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> marriage> > -> > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native> himself> > > > > >> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house -> he> > is> > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> > girl> > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad> 2nd> > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it> gets> > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > houses> > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > There> > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa> maybe> > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > > conclusion> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > >> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding> a> > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too> seen> > > > > from> > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> > do> > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > >> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> > yoga> > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis> of> > > > > this> > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> results> > > > > when> > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > > carefully> > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > > speicific> > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > giving> > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> vaidhavya> > > > > yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> > make> > > > > a> > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind> woman> > > > > does> > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > > positive> > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> > man> > > > > is> > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman> with> > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > >> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > specifically> > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > > other> > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > >> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > > kuje,> > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > allow> > > > > a> > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for> both.> > > > > >> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > > ancient,> > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > > mangal> > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and> if> > > > > the> > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic> planet> > > > > in> > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from> books> > to> > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > > yogas> > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between> both> > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh> > > > :> /> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try> > > it now.> > > >> > >> >>

Hare rama krishna .

dear kiran ji .

 

The points seen are from lagna ( self ) moon ( mind and special lagna or we cal 2nd lagna ) and then venus ( karaka for marriage ) not sun ( sun we use only for seeing logitivity and sustainence of yogas).

 

see the points along with maraka periods from concerned 7th house or karaka s also when see the dasas .as each dasa has lot of promise >Fathers death can giv a job ( ON compassionate grounds ) then can take u out of city and hence comfort of home is denied and since u r earning may giv a marriage and then again a transfer may prompt u to leav ur beautiful wife back home .so dasa has lot of promises ,see it tru karakas and lagna and sambantha with labha and bhagya lords .

 

Again i wont disclose this in grp .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> also one more problem is what reference?> > in papa samya in textbooks they take diff reference points like lagna, sun and moon - and 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses from there....> when u take 3 reference points, almost all houses will have malefics > > This maybe a good discussion point as well> > regards> kiran> > renunw renunw wrote: > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,> I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more....> > ==>File:> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> Question:> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <== > Answer by Sreenadh ji: > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live happyily ever after?> Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage? > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct?> Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. > Thanks...> blessings> Renu> > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor of> > that file. > > ==>> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > <==> > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this> > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > ==>> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > > in the horoscope?> > <==> > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in> > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is> > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more> > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong> > results should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations,> > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because> > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any> > result indicated by some single combination.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > I quote from your file:> > >> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > >> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > >> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > > in the horoscope?> > >> > >> > >> > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second> > querie> > > may be somewhat personal..> > >> > >> > >> > > thanks..> > >> > >> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , sreenadh sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may> > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without> > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance.> > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out> > the> > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met -> > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology -> > failing> > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is> > well> > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly -> > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > hold> > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th> > house,> > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > >> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas -> > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> > > chapters !!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > <==> > > > True. > > > > ==>> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > <==> > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> > placed> > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics> > alone,> > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example> > -> > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow;> > if> > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause> > > bad name for her family.> > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches.> > If> > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death> > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna> > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone> > or> > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you> > to> > > a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you> > and> > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear kiranji> > > > >> > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > page> > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend> > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > come> > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > >> > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the> > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars> > in> > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> > too> > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > >> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage> > -> > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > > >> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he> > is> > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> > girl> > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd> > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets> > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > houses> > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > There> > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe> > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > > conclusion> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > >> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen> > > > > from> > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> > do> > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > >> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> > yoga> > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of> > > > > this> > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results> > > > > when> > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > > carefully> > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > > speicific> > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > giving> > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya> > > > > yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> > make> > > > > a> > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman> > > > > does> > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > > positive> > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> > man> > > > > is> > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > >> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > specifically> > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > > other> > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > >> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > > kuje,> > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > allow> > > > > a> > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > > >> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > > ancient,> > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > > mangal> > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if> > > > > the> > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet> > > > > in> > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books> > to> > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > > yogas> > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh> > > > : /> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try> > > it now.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.>

Dear Renu ji,

The argument goes like this -

* If the male's horoscope has a combination (eg.

malefic in 7th) indicating loss of wife - then after the

event he is a widower. The combination also indicates that he will live

AFTER the death/loss of his wife.

* If the female's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic

in 7th) indicating loss of husband - then after the event she is a widow. The

combination also indicates that she will live AFTER the death/loss of his

wife.

Now the traditional argument as mentioned and supported by sunil ji

tells us that -

* If the above horoscopes are matched, (If it is about death of

husband/wife), then both above statements cannot be true. One horoscope

tells us that wife should live longer than husband, while the other tells us

that husband should live longer than wife. The logic says that -

contracting statements should cancel out and both the results should not manifest.

So the end result should be - Ether Both of them dying together or both of them

leading a long life.

Now what is the fact - I don't know; because I prefer not to follow

this line of argument; and is yet to verify the same from known horoscopes.

As per my line of thinking supported by the traditional

texts and classics - the correct logic is and should be -

* A horoscope indicating loss of husband/wife should be

matched with a horoscope indicating longevity to husband/wife. This

is the only scenario where balancing of Doshas happens and the correct result

manifests I trust. Of course you will see it reflected in family

horoscopes as well, where due to the luck of one the other survives. This

I did verified and is in support of. But in this case too if the inauspicious

result indicated by one horoscope is too strong then, even these precautionary measures

will not work and the results may manifest - but still as humans this is

the limitations upto which we can exercise our will to counter the destiny.

Now it is upto the learned group members to verify whether the

above logical conclusions are true or not; and also to verify, out of the

mutually contradicting above two arguments which one is true and is more

in tune with actual experience.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:

 

Re: Marriage matching concepts

 

Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,

I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by

any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation.

One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more....

 

 

==>File:> 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> death of wife in horoscope.

Question:> Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> of the lady is nullified?<== Answer by Sreenadh ji:

" I don't know - that is

argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in

astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some.

Personally I am against thinking that such a mere logical summersault

will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in

favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to

verify the same in known horoscopes. "

I

would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady

destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say

....with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife

in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would

die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood

indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can

live happyily ever after?

Then

if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end

up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would

divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?

Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct?

Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.

Thanks...

blessings

Renu

the second reasoning seems betterpapa samya - is a method wherein two horoscopes are matched wrt 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses from reference point (usually lagna - sometimes moon, venus - obviously if we take too many reference points, then all signs will be considered )the houses are written one below other and malefic planet Ma, Sa, Sun, Ra, Ke is noted.If male has mars in 8th house, female must also have mars in 8th house else it is dosha - of course exceptions are made that malefic planet who is exalted/in own sign is not maleficI am very uncomfortable with the above method:Simple example is if a male has bad 2nd house and bad 4th house - it means bad for wealth - if we match it with female with similar bad 2nd and 4th house - poverty is assured for bothIt is better to match the first person A who has bad 2nd and 4th house with person B who has good 2nd and 4th house - after making sure about the dasas - that the person A's misfortune

does not harm person B's fortune.I will shortly post a doc on current kuta system of matching which is bad because:i) it takes only rashi (where moon is posited): Depending on rashi varna, vasya, rashi, graha maitri (rashi lords must be friends are derived)ii) it takes only nakshatra and arrives at rajju, vedha, mahendra, gana and nadiiii) no explaination as to why different points for different kutasso it is time to take a relook at current method of kuta matching and papa samyaregardskiranSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Renu ji, The argument goes like this - * If the male's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in 7th) indicating loss of wife - then after the event he is a widower. The combination also indicates that he will live AFTER the death/loss of his wife. * If the female's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in 7th) indicating loss of husband - then after the event she is a widow. The combination also indicates that she will live AFTER the death/loss of his wife. Now the traditional argument as mentioned and supported by sunil ji tells us that - * If the above horoscopes are matched, (If it is about death of husband/wife), then both above statements cannot be true. One horoscope tells us that wife should live longer than husband,

while the other tells us that husband should live longer than wife. The logic says that - contracting statements should cancel out and both the results should not manifest. So the end result should be - Ether Both of them dying together or both of them leading a long life. Now what is the fact - I don't know; because I prefer not to follow this line of argument; and is yet to verify the same from known horoscopes. As per my line of thinking supported by the traditional texts and classics - the correct logic is and should be - * A horoscope indicating loss of husband/wife should be matched with a horoscope indicating longevity to husband/wife. This is the only scenario where balancing of Doshas happens and the correct result manifests I trust. Of course you will see it reflected in family horoscopes as well, where due to the luck of one the other

survives. This I did verified and is in support of. But in this case too if the inauspicious result indicated by one horoscope is too strong then, even these precautionary measures will not work and the results may manifest - but still as humans this is the limitations upto which we can exercise our will to counter the destiny. Now it is upto the learned group members to verify whether the above logical conclusions are true or not; and also to verify, out of the mutually contradicting above two arguments which one is true and is more in tune with actual experience. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote: Re: Marriage matching concepts Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji, I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any other

learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more.... ==>File:> 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> death of wife in horoscope. Question:> Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> of the lady is nullified?<== Answer by Sreenadh ji: " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in

astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. " I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live happyily ever after? Then if the husband's

horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage? Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct? Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. Thanks... blessings Renu

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Dear Kiran ji,

There is no confusion regarding the reference - only

ONE refernce

is considered - that is Lagna. The other references such as 1) From

Moon, 2) From House lord 3) from Karaka (here Venus and NOT sun) etc

are always considered to ensure "Dwi Tri Samvada" (Two or more points

indicating the same) OR to derive new results or clarity about

result

details. Please don't make thigs mechanical and start counting numbers

- but instead look at each of the points and see what each of them

would have to say. It is the "talking planets and placements"

which convay the results that are useful and NOT the mechanical

counting and benefic/malefic classification which is not much

useful. Hope this helps.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> also one more problem is what reference?> >

in papa samya in textbooks they take diff reference points like lagna,

sun and moon - and 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses from there....> when u take 3 reference points, almost all houses will have malefics > > This maybe a good discussion point as well> > regards> kiran> > renunw renunw wrote: > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,>

I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by

any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more....> > ==>File:> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> Question:> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <== > Answer by Sreenadh ji: >

" I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat

samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this

argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere

logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where

as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the

fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> I

would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady

destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say

....with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife

in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would

die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood

indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can

live happyily ever after?> Then if the husband's horoscope

indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that

the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the

husband can go for a second marriage? > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct?> Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. > Thanks...> blessings> Renu> > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor of> > that file. > > ==>> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > <==> > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this> > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > ==>> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > > in the horoscope?> > <==> > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in> > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is> > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more> > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong> > results should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations,> > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because> > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any> > result indicated by some single combination.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > I quote from your file:> > >> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > >> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > >> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > > in the horoscope?> > >> > >> > >> > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second> > querie> > > may be somewhat personal..> > >> > >> > >> > > thanks..> > >> > >> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , sreenadh sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may> > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without> > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his ignorance.> > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out> > the> > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met -> > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology -> > failing> > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is> > well> > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly -> > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > hold> > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th> > house,> > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > >> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas -> > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> > > chapters !!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > <==> > > > True. > > > > ==>> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > <==> > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> > placed> > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics> > alone,> > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example> > -> > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a widow;> > if> > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause> > > bad name for her family.> > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches.> > If> > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death> > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna> > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone> > or> > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you> > to> > > a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you> > and> > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear kiranji> > > > >> > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > page> > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with the> > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend> > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > come> > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > >> > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the> > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars> > in> > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just> > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> > too> > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > >> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage> > -> > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > > >> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he> > is> > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> > girl> > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd> > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets> > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > houses> > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > There> > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe> > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > > conclusion> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > >> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen> > > > > from> > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> > do> > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > >> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> > yoga> > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of> > > > > this> > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results> > > > > when> > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > > carefully> > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > > speicific> > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > giving> > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya> > > > > yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> > make> > > > > a> > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman> > > > > does> > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > > positive> > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> > man> > > > > is> > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > >> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > specifically> > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > > other> > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > >> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > > kuje,> > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > allow> > > > > a> > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > > >> > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > > ancient,> > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > > mangal> > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if> > > > > the> > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet> > > > > in> > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books> > to> > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > > yogas> > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh> > > > : /> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try> > > it now.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. 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dear sreenadhji,that is absolutely correct. thanks for clarifying reference :)mere malefic planet in house will not cause dosha - there are other things - that is what i was trying to conveyunfortunately all books on marriage matching currently including ones by PV Rayudu, BV Raman, Gayatri Vasudev treat papa samya with malefic planet in house causing dosha - which is not correctRegardskiranSreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Kiran ji, There is no confusion

regarding the reference - only ONE refernce is considered - that is Lagna. The other references such as 1) From Moon, 2) From House lord 3) from Karaka (here Venus and NOT sun) etc are always considered to ensure "Dwi Tri Samvada" (Two or more points indicating the same) OR to derive new results or clarity about result details. Please don't make thigs mechanical and start counting numbers - but instead look at each of the points and see what each of them would have to say. It is the "talking planets and placements" which convay the results that are useful and NOT the mechanical counting and benefic/malefic classification which is not much useful. Hope this helps. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> also one more problem is what reference?> > in papa samya in textbooks

they take diff reference points like lagna, sun and moon - and 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses from there....> when u take 3 reference points, almost all houses will have malefics > > This maybe a good discussion point as well> > regards> kiran> > renunw renunw wrote: > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,> I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more....> > ==>File:> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> Question:> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus

widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <== > Answer by Sreenadh ji: > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live happyily ever after?> Then if the

husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage? > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct?> Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. > Thanks...> blessings> Renu> > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the editor of> > that file. > > ==>> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such

matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > <==> > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat> > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this> > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where> > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the> > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > ==>> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male

horoscope? Would it lead to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > > in the horoscope?> > <==> > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a malefic in> > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely death is> > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two or more> > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such strong> > results should not be predicted. But the point "other combinations,> > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned because> > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to giving/confirming any> > result indicated by some single combination.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> >

>> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > I quote from your file:> > >> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with> > the> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > indicating> > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > widowhood> > > of the lady is nullified?> > >> > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather than in> > 8th> > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate untimely> > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > >> > >> > >> > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would it lead

to> > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a long life> > > in the horoscope?> > >> > >> > >> > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the second> > querie> > > may be somewhat personal..> > >> > >> > >> > > thanks..> > >> > >> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > , sreenadh sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th house may> > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations without> > > even considering the dasa and

sign; then it is simply his ignorance.> > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before speaking out> > the> > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a Yoga> > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri samvada> > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) are met -> > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in astrology -> > failing> > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes that he is> > well> > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result correctly -> > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > "Jupiter

in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This does not> > hold> > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in 12th> > house,> > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > >> > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of slokas -> > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 succeeding> > > chapters !!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the

good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > <==> > > > True. > > > > ==>> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > <==> > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely badly> > placed> > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why malefics> > alone,> > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For example> > -> > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

widow;> > if> > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon in 12th> > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women may cause> > > bad name for her family.> > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also matches.> > If> > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can cause death> > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th from lagna> > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in matching what> > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like Mars) alone> > or> > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and malefic)> > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they are> > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree with you> >

to> > > a great extend - and feel that from two different perspectives, you> > and> > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > dear kiranji> > > > >> > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 principles and> > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally learnt> > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred page> > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button and each> > page> > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with

the> > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer has to spend> > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas and then> > come> > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted benefic> > planet> > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his mahadasa is> > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if sadesathi is> > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and rather> > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > >> > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various sufferings of the> > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother has mars> > in> > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes even just>

> > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other charts> > too> > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > theoretical> > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out of it.> > > > >> > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > pandit arjun> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > >> > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for marriage>

> -> > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of marriage, 4th is> > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native himself> > > > > >> > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd house - he> > is> > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries another> > girl> > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has a bad 2nd> > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so that it gets> > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in 1,2,4,7,8,12> > houses> > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in sustana?> > There> > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet dasa maybe> > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > >> > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and come to> > > > > conclusion> > > > > >> > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > >> > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars finding a> > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that too seen> > > > > from> >

> > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states in india> > do> > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers dont see> > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native manglik.> > > > > >> > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called mangli> > yoga> > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the genesis of> > > > > this> > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives results> > > > > when> > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer reads> > > > >

carefully> > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these houses in> > > > > speicific> > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed mars> > giving> > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the vaidhavya> > > > > yoga.> > > > > >> > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two wrongs cant> > make> > > > > a> > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely blind woman> > > > > does> > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. on a> > > > > positive> > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests that the> > man> > > > > is> > > >

> > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a woman with> > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > >> > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > specifically> > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made for each> > > > > other> > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > >> > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech ashtame> > > > > kuje,> > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" does not> > allow> > > > > a> > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine for both.> > > > > >> > > >

> > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts (not> > > > > ancient,> > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another manglik,> > > > > mangal> > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and happiness.> > > > > >> > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > >> > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic mars and if> > > > >

the> > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another malefic planet> > > > > in> > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas from books> > to> > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli bhanga> > > > > yogas> > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage between both> > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > .> > >

>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh> > > > : /> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try> > > it now.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.>

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Dear Kiran ji,

==>

> Simple example is if a male has bad 2nd house and bad 4th house - it means

bad for wealth - if we match it with female with similar bad 2nd and 4th house

- poverty is assured for both

>

> It is better to match the first person A who has bad 2nd and 4th house

with person B who has good 2nd and 4th house - after making sure about the

dasas - that the person A's misfortune does not harm person B's fortune.

<==

You are right - and my thought too goes in the same direction; but

the current tradition may not be in favor of it. When we 'practice'

astrology it is not only our understanding but also the opinions of the society

which matters. So if am practicing astrology, apart from ensuring things in my

own perspective, I will also ensure that the charts will get a pass mark from

other astrologers who follow the current tradition - this is the practical way

to approach things. Lone warriors will get discarded in the forest and blamed

of ignorance and lack of humbleness; if this shouldn't happen every

practical astrologer has to compromise at some points. The astrologer is NOT

supposed to go head against the the tide of public opinion, but with it, molding

it in positive directions. Hope this helps.

> I will shortly post a doc on current kuta system of matching

Don't jump with hasty documents with such brief amount of

understanding about the same. Neither sunil ji nor me is not commenting in

detail on the same because it is a very large subject, and if went to the

details will consume much months and time. With important and basic subjects

like 7-fold system still not even covered 10%, we don't find any point in discussing

the Kuta methods etc and the logic behind in details - because all those are

not much relevant as compared to generating the basic understanding about

astrology. (If you can read malayalam, there is a book named

"Porutta Deepika" written and published by me which discusses 50

methods of matching horoscopes in detail with quotes and logic. The book is

published by Bhagya book house, Trivandrum).

Also please don't feel that it is simply matching the Nakshatras and simply

considering the Kutas. To give a brief outline -

The matching methods are broadly classified into

2 categories - Agudha and Gudha. The Agudha category contains -

* Sign related matches (Rasi related Porutams)

* Sign Lord related matches (Rasyadhipa related

Pourtams)

* Nakshatra matches (Nakshtra Porutams)

* Nakshtra related matches (Nakshtra sambandhi

pourtams)

* Different kinds of Vedha and Ranju

consideratons

* Papa samya related (machanical methods

* Dasa Sandhi

* Horoscope matching based on results indicated

by the planets

* Checking longivity and progency

etc

Gudha category contains -

* Mutual Love

* Mutual attraction (physical and mental)

* Eductaction of male and female

* Social status of both the families

* Body matching (Samudrika related)

* Palmistry related (Marks on hands

etc) etc

Such a detailed analysis is only popular when the astrologer is well popular in

the village he resides and is well familiar with both the families and couples

he is interacting with. The astrologer is like the father who thinks

about the marriage from the side of the father of the girl, and thinking for

the girl. Marriage is something for which one ancestors had given much

importance to girl - the event and related analysis is clearly female

centric as proposed by them.

Note that numerous quotes from texts are available related to all

the points mentioned by me above and on going to the details each point can

consume a months time in the group; and we don't want it. Here people have only

limited time (including me) and we want to cover the basics as soon as possible

instead of wasting time after irrelevant things due to diversions. It is

NOT because many of the members in this group cannot produce documents

regarding the same; they are NOT doing it because - more important things are

in pending. Note that many good scholars cum practical astrologers

like Madhu ji etc are also the members of this group; Well read Girija

sankar sastri ji, Durga ji; Neelam ji etc too are members of this group -

do you think they are keeping quite because they can not talk about the subject

in detail?! No, it is not so. Most possibly they might be thinking about

the effort involved and then cross verifying the same against the importance of

presenting the same in detail - and then decides that, no in such a group

spending too much time after simple Kuta and other marriage matching

concepts in not much relevant. Hope this helps.

Note:

If you think understanding marriage matching conepts is too much

important, then we can start from the very basic springing into a very

large discussion of the same checking all the corners, but notice that

this conflicts with our basic agenda; in result a diversion consuming

too much time and effort with it does not deserve. And it is due

to this very same reason that Sunil ji just abriviated the whole stuff

into a single document - NOT going to the details and clarifications.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> the second reasoning seems better> >

papa samya - is a method wherein two horoscopes are matched wrt

1,2,4,7,8,12 houses from reference point (usually lagna - sometimes

moon, venus - obviously if we take too many reference points, then all

signs will be considered )> > the houses are written one below other and malefic planet Ma, Sa, Sun, Ra, Ke is noted.>

If male has mars in 8th house, female must also have mars in 8th house

else it is dosha - of course exceptions are made that malefic planet

who is exalted/in own sign is not malefic> > I am very uncomfortable with the above method:>

Simple example is if a male has bad 2nd house and bad 4th house - it

means bad for wealth - if we match it with female with similar bad 2nd

and 4th house - poverty is assured for both> > It is

better to match the first person A who has bad 2nd and 4th house with

person B who has good 2nd and 4th house - after making sure about the

dasas - that the person A's misfortune does not harm person B's fortune.> > I will shortly post a doc on current kuta system of matching which is bad because:>

i) it takes only rashi (where moon is posited): Depending on rashi

varna, vasya, rashi, graha maitri (rashi lords must be friends are

derived)> ii) it takes only nakshatra and arrives at rajju, vedha, mahendra, gana and nadi> iii) no explaination as to why different points for different kutas> > so it is time to take a relook at current method of kuta matching and papa samya> > regards> kiran> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: > Dear Renu ji,> The argument goes like this ->

* If the male's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in 7th)

indicating loss of wife - then after the event he is a widower. The

combination also indicates that he will live AFTER the death/loss of

his wife. > * If the female's horoscope has a combination (eg.

malefic in 7th) indicating loss of husband - then after the event she

is a widow. The combination also indicates that she will live AFTER the

death/loss of his wife. > Now the traditional argument as mentioned and supported by sunil ji tells us that - >

* If the above horoscopes are matched, (If it is about death of

husband/wife), then both above statements cannot be true. One horoscope

tells us that wife should live longer than husband, while the other

tells us that husband should live longer than wife. The logic says that

- contracting statements should cancel out and both the results should

not manifest. So the end result should be - Ether Both of them dying

together or both of them leading a long life.> Now what is the

fact - I don't know; because I prefer not to follow this line of

argument; and is yet to verify the same from known horoscopes. > > As per my line of thinking supported by the traditional texts and classics - the correct logic is and should be ->

* A horoscope indicating loss of husband/wife should be matched with a

horoscope indicating longevity to husband/wife. This is the only

scenario where balancing of Doshas happens and the correct result

manifests I trust. Of course you will see it reflected in family

horoscopes as well, where due to the luck of one the other survives.

This I did verified and is in support of. But in this case too if the

inauspicious result indicated by one horoscope is too strong then, even

these precautionary measures will not work and the results may manifest

- but still as humans this is the limitations upto which we can

exercise our will to counter the destiny. > Now it is upto the

learned group members to verify whether the above logical conclusions

are true or not; and also to verify, out of the mutually contradicting

above two arguments which one is true and is more in tune with actual

experience.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> Re: Marriage matching concepts > > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,>

I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by

any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more....> > ==>File:> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> > death of wife in horoscope.> Question:> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> > of the lady is nullified?> <== > Answer by Sreenadh ji: >

" I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat

samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this

argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere

logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where

as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the

fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> I

would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady

destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say

....with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife

in his horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would

die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood

indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can

live happyily ever after?> Then if the husband's horoscope

indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that

the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the

husband can go for a second marriage? > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct?> Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. > Thanks...> blessings> Renu> > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how.>

Dear Sreenadh ji, I am a novice in this concept. But, what seems logical to me is - events like death of spouse are very serious in nature in anyone's life. I guess it happens as as a result of one's prarabdha. And, such events are a result of a 'dridha' karma from the past lives which can not be changed by our actions in this life. Only much less significant events which are destined due to 'adhridha' or 'dridhadridha' karmas could be manupulated or changed using the actions in the current life. Swami sri Yukteshwar (Guru of Shri Paramahamsa Yogananda) has said: "A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with one's individual karma. His horoscope is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and it's probable future

results…The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate—the result of past good and evil—but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he has spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure." Though this is a very powerful message in favour of 'free-will' as against 'fate', I sincerely believe that man could undo many things but not everything that he has inherited due to his own actions. That is my belief. Regards, Krishna Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Renu ji, The argument goes like this - * If the male's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in 7th) indicating loss of wife - then after the event he is a widower. The combination also indicates that he will live AFTER the death/loss of his wife. * If the female's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in 7th) indicating loss of husband - then after the event she is a widow. The combination also indicates that

she will live AFTER the death/loss of his wife. Now the traditional argument as mentioned and supported by sunil ji tells us that - * If the above horoscopes are matched, (If it is about death of husband/wife), then both above statements cannot be true. One horoscope tells us that wife should live longer than husband, while the other tells us that husband should live longer than wife. The logic says that - contracting statements should cancel out and both the results should not manifest. So the end result should be - Ether Both of them dying together or both of them leading a long life. Now what is the fact - I don't know; because I prefer not to follow this line of argument; and is yet to verify the same from known horoscopes. As per my line of thinking supported by the traditional texts and classics - the correct logic is and should be -

* A horoscope indicating loss of husband/wife should be matched with a horoscope indicating longevity to husband/wife. This is the only scenario where balancing of Doshas happens and the correct result manifests I trust. Of course you will see it reflected in family horoscopes as well, where due to the luck of one the other survives. This I did verified and is in support of. But in this case too if the inauspicious result indicated by one horoscope is too strong then, even these precautionary measures will not work and the results may manifest - but still as humans this is the limitations upto which we can exercise our will to counter the destiny. Now it is upto the learned group members to verify whether the above logical conclusions are true or not; and also to verify, out of the mutually contradicting above two arguments which one is true and is more in tune with actual experience.Love and

regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote: Re: Marriage matching concepts Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji, I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even by any other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation. One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify the following a little bit more.... ==>File:> 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it with the> horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination indicating> death of wife in horoscope. Question:> Does such matching

prevents the death of the partner and thus widowhood> of the lady is nullified?<== Answer by Sreenadh ji: " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the words "Tat samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of this argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a mere logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; where as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with the fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. " I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that a lady destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say ...with a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in his horoscope. Does

this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple can live happyily ever after? Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where would wife end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband would divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage? Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party? Did I get it correct? Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both. Thanks... blessingsRenu

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Dear Sunil ji,

 

 

" Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking

always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and

happiness is or was the prime concern . "

 

Not the slightest doubt about it...I take your word on this. Besides

even Lord Buddha....one of your revered ancestors...said.. that a

Buddha is hidden in every mother on earth. Such was his high esteem

regarding women or rather motherhood.

 

Thank you so much for your explanations.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

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>

>

> Hare ramakrishna ,

>

> dear renu ji .

>

>

>

> I will try to answer ur query .

>

>

>

> Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking

> always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and

happiness

> is or was the prime concern .

>

>

>

> So when the doshas r matched the event may get cancelled .

>

>

>

> EVen we see wat dasa has to offer ,there are some technics which r

not

> disclosed here also .

>

>

>

> so olden time minimum 30 yrs shud tally for mutual longitivity

after

> marriage also ,so the first kid will be a earning memebr .See we r

> seeing both charts ,and a good prashna for finalysations along with

> muhurta during the time of marriage .

>

>

>

> remebr the sloka --- rakshanti staveera putrasya-Manu smriti ( sun

will

> protect her in old age ) esp those days there is no jobs or

insurance

> schemes or pensions .

>

>

>

> And i think i will write u prvtly on some methods .( of cource

which i

> use )

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,

> >

> > I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or

even by

> any

> > other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your

explanation.

> >

> > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will

clarify the

> > following a little bit more....

> >

> >

> > ==>File:

> > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it

with

> > the

> > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination

> > indicating

> > > death of wife in horoscope.

> >

> > Question:

> > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus

> > widowhood

> > > of the lady is nullified?

> > <==

> > Answer by Sreenadh ji:

> >

> > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the

words " Tat

> > samya " , " Samya " etc in astro classics is presented in the favor

of

> this

> > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a

mere

> > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated;

where

> > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches

with the

> > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "

> >

> > I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that

a

> lady

> > destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say

> ...with

> > a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in

his

> > horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would

die

> > prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood

> > indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple

can

> live

> > happyily ever after?

> >

> > Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where

would

> wife

> > end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband

would

> > divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?

> >

> > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing

party? Did

> I

> > get it correct?

> >

> > Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.

> >

> > Thanks...

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas

> > > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the

> editor

> > of

> > > that file.

> > > ==>

> > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match

it

> with

> > > the

> > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination

> > > indicating

> > > > death of wife in horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus

> > > widowhood

> > > > of the lady is nullified?

> > > <==

> > > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the

words " Tat

> > > samya " , " Samya " etc in astro classics is presented in the

favor of

> > this

> > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a

mere

> > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results

indicated;

> where

> > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches

with

> the

> > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.

> > > ==>

> > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather

than

> in

> > > 8th

> > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate

> untimely

> > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)

> > > >

> > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would

it

> lead

> > to

> > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a

long

> > life

> > > > in the horoscope?

> > > <==

> > > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a

malefic in

> > > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely

death is

> > > high. But of course note that if " Dwi Tri Samvada bhava " (two

or

> more

> > > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such

strong

> > > results should not be predicted. But the point " other

combinations,

> > > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered " is not mentioned

> because

> > > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to

giving/confirming

> any

> > > result indicated by some single combination.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > , " renunw "

renunw@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > I quote from your file:

> > > >

> > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match

it

> with

> > > the

> > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination

> > > indicating

> > > > death of wife in horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus

> > > widowhood

> > > > of the lady is nullified?

> > > >

> > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather

than

> in

> > > 8th

> > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate

> untimely

> > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would

it

> lead

> > to

> > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a

long

> > life

> > > > in the horoscope?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the

second

> > > querie

> > > > may be somewhat personal..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > thanks..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , sreenadh

sreesog@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > > > > If some one interprets that the statement " Jupiter in 12th

house

> > may

> > > > make a woman a widow " - will hold good 100% in all situations

> > without

> > > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his

> ignorance.

> > >

> > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before

speaking

> out

> > > the

> > > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a

Yoga

> > > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri

> samvada

> > > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results)

are

> met

> > -

> > > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in

astrology -

> > > failing

> > > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes

that he

> is

> > > well

> > > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result

> correctly

> > -

> > > > this is a point one should remember.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow " - This

does not

> > > hold

> > > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in

12th

> > > house,

> > > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of

> slokas

> > -

> > > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2

succeeding

> > > > chapters !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kiran

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet

> > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

> mahadasa

> > is

> > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

sadesathi is

> > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and

rather

> > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > True.

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out

of

> it.

> > > > > <==

> > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely

badly

> > > placed

> > > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why

malefics

> > > alone,

> > > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For

> > example

> > > -

> > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram

> > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH

> > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)

> > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a

> widow;

> > > if

> > > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon

in

> 12th

> > > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women

may

> > cause

> > > > bad name for her family.

> > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also

> > matches.

> > > If

> > > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can

cause

> > death

> > > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th

from

> > lagna

> > > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in

matching what

> > > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like

Mars)

> > alone

> > > or

> > > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and

> malefic)

> > > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they

are

> > > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree

with

> you

> > > to

> > > > a great extend - and feel that from two different

perspectives,

> you

> > > and

> > > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear kiranji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001

principles

> and

> > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally

> learnt

> > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred

page

> > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button

and each

> > > page

> > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with

the

> > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer

has to

> > spend

> > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas

and then

> > > come

> > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted

benefic

> > > planet

> > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his

> mahadasa

> > is

> > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if

sadesathi is

> > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and

rather

> > > > > > witness some negative results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various

sufferings of

> > the

> > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother

has

> > mars

> > > in

> > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes

even just

> > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other

> charts

> > > too

> > > > > > have vicarious impact.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for

> > > > theoretical

> > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out

of

> it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Kiran R

> > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well said Panditji....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -

> > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for

> > marriage

> > > -

> > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of

marriage, 4th

> is

> > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native

> > himself

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd

house -

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries

> another

> > > girl

> > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will

> > > > > > have " Daridrathana "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has

a bad

> > 2nd

> > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so

that it

> > gets

> > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in

1,2,4,7,8,12

> > > houses

> > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in

sustana?

> > > There

> > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet

dasa

> > maybe

> > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and

come to

> > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@

> > > > > > wrote: dear friends

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars

> finding

> > a

> > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that

too

> > seen

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states

in

> india

> > > do

> > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers

dont see

> > > mars

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native

> manglik.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called

> mangli

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the

genesis

> > of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives

> > results

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer

reads

> > > > > > carefully

> > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these

houses in

> > > > > > speicific

> > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed

mars

> > > giving

> > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the

> > vaidhavya

> > > > > > yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two

wrongs

> cant

> > > make

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely

blind

> > woman

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world.

on a

> > > > > > positive

> > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests

that

> the

> > > man

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a

woman

> > with

> > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks

> > > > > > specifically

> > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made

for

> each

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the much hyped verse " lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech

> ashtame

> > > > > > kuje,

> > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut "

does not

> > > allow

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine

for

> > both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts

(not

> > > > > > ancient,

> > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:

> > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another

manglik,

> > > > > > mangal

> > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and

> happiness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet

> > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic

mars and

> > if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another

malefic

> > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas

from

> > books

> > > to

> > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli

> bhanga

> > > > > > yogas

> > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage

between

> > both

> > > > > > > auspicious.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > :

> > /

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

> Mobile.

> > > Try

> > > > it now.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

It's a bit complicated. I can't understand how the 'karma' of one

person can be wiped out by another. Isn't the 1st argument something

like that?...A native with a horoscope indicating widowhood,

marrying a native with a similar horoscope.......

 

But on the other hand...for instance if A's horoscope indicates that

she is going to be a widow shortly after marriage, wouldn't it be

better for her to marry B with a horoscope indicating good

longevity? I think this is the second argument brought out by you.

But even then A's destiny will be changed as a result of marrying B.

 

On the other hand since everything is pre-planned and depends on

one's past 'karma', however much do we try to find solutions to

prevent ill effects in a horoscope, what is destined to happen WILL

happen. The only favourable result would be that we would learn to

accept the truth and get ourselves more and more evolved.

 

I wish if anyone can provide a horoscope indicating widowhood, but

avoided it due to correct matching of the charts...based on either

of the above two arguments.

 

Thank you Sreenadh ji..you make our thinking faculties work 24/7:)

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> The argument goes like this -

> * If the male's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in

7th)

> indicating loss of wife - then after the event he is a widower.

The

> combination also indicates that he will live AFTER the death/loss

of

> his wife.

> * If the female's horoscope has a combination (eg. malefic in

7th)

> indicating loss of husband - then after the event she is a widow.

The

> combination also indicates that she will live AFTER the

death/loss of

> his wife.

> Now the traditional argument as mentioned and supported by

sunil ji

> tells us that -

> * If the above horoscopes are matched, (If it is about death of

> husband/wife), then both above statements cannot be true. One

horoscope

> tells us that wife should live longer than husband, while the other

> tells us that husband should live longer than wife. The logic says

that

> - contracting statements should cancel out and both the results

should

> not manifest. So the end result should be - Ether Both of them

dying

> together or both of them leading a long life.

> Now what is the fact - I don't know; because I prefer not to

follow

> this line of argument; and is yet to verify the same from known

> horoscopes.

>

> As per my line of thinking supported by the traditional texts

and

> classics - the correct logic is and should be -

> * A horoscope indicating loss of husband/wife should be

matched with

> a horoscope indicating longevity to husband/wife. This is the

only

> scenario where balancing of Doshas happens and the correct result

> manifests I trust. Of course you will see it reflected in family

> horoscopes as well, where due to the luck of one the other

survives.

> This I did verified and is in support of. But in this case too if

the

> inauspicious result indicated by one horoscope is too strong then,

even

> these precautionary measures will not work and the results may

manifest

> - but still as humans this is the limitations upto which we can

exercise

> our will to counter the destiny.

> Now it is upto the learned group members to verify whether the

above

> logical conclusions are true or not; and also to verify, out of the

> mutually contradicting above two arguments which one is true and

is

> more in tune with actual experience.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> Re: Marriage matching concepts

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,

>

> I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or even

by any

> other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your explanation.

>

> One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will clarify

the

> following a little bit more....

>

>

> ==>File:

> > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it

with

> the

> > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination

> indicating

> > death of wife in horoscope.

>

> Question:

> > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus

> widowhood

> > of the lady is nullified?

> <==

> Answer by Sreenadh ji:

>

> " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the

words " Tat

> samya " , " Samya " etc in astro classics is presented in the favor of

this

> argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a

mere

> logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated;

where

> as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches with

the

> fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "

>

> I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that

a lady

> destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us

say ...with

> a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in

his

> horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would die

> prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood

> indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple

can live

> happyily ever after?

>

> Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where

would wife

> end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband

would

> divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?

>

> Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing party?

Did I

> get it correct?

>

> Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.

>

> Thanks...

>

> blessings

> Renu

>

Hare ramakrishna ,

dear renu ji .

 

Thank u .yes it is the essence of our samskriti .

 

" yatra naryastu poojyanthe ramanthe tatra devathath " ( Manu smriti )

 

(where ever the woman is respected ,the gods will b happy and make that place prosperous .)

 

A good mother is the architecht of family and hence society .

 

so a mother is a illuminated soul like a budha who can only creat other budhas .

 

Thanks and regrds

sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > > "Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking > always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and > happiness is or was the prime concern ."> > Not the slightest doubt about it...I take your word on this. Besides > even Lord Buddha....one of your revered ancestors...said.. that a > Buddha is hidden in every mother on earth. Such was his high esteem > regarding women or rather motherhood.> > Thank you so much for your explanations.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > dear renu ji .> > > > > > > > I will try to answer ur query .> > > > > > > > Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking> > always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and > happiness> > is or was the prime concern .> > > > > > > > So when the doshas r matched the event may get cancelled .> > > > > > > > EVen we see wat dasa has to offer ,there are some technics which r > not> > disclosed here also .> > > > > > > > so olden time minimum 30 yrs shud tally for mutual longitivity > after> > marriage also ,so the first kid will be a earning memebr .See we r> > seeing both charts ,and a good prashna for finalysations along with> > muhurta during the time of marriage .> > > > > > > > remebr the sloka --- rakshanti staveera putrasya-Manu smriti ( sun > will> > protect her in old age ) esp those days there is no jobs or > insurance> > schemes or pensions .> > > > > > > > And i think i will write u prvtly on some methods .( of cource > which i> > use )> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,> > >> > > I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or > even by> > any> > > other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your > explanation.> > >> > > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will > clarify the> > > following a little bit more....> > >> > >> > > ==>File:> > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it > with> > > the> > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > indicating> > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Question:> > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > widowhood> > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > <==> > > Answer by Sreenadh ji:> > >> > > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the > words "Tat> > > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor > of> > this> > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a > mere> > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; > where> > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches > with the> > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> > >> > > I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that > a> > lady> > > destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say> > ...with> > > a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in > his> > > horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would > die> > > prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood> > > indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple > can> > live> > > happyily ever after?> > >> > > Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where > would> > wife> > > end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband > would> > > divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?> > >> > > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing > party? Did> > I> > > get it correct?> > >> > > Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.> > >> > > Thanks...> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > > > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the> > editor> > > of> > > > that file. > > > > ==>> > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match > it> > with> > > > the> > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > indicating> > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > widowhood> > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > <==> > > > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the > words "Tat> > > > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the > favor of> > > this> > > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a > mere> > > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results > indicated;> > where> > > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches > with> > the> > > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > > > ==>> > > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather > than> > in> > > > 8th> > > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate> > untimely> > > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > >> > > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would > it> > lead> > > to> > > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a > long> > > life> > > > > in the horoscope?> > > > <==> > > > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a > malefic in> > > > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely > death is> > > > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two > or> > more> > > > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such > strong> > > > results should not be predicted. But the point "other > combinations,> > > > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned> > because> > > > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to > giving/confirming> > any> > > > result indicated by some single combination.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" > renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > I quote from your file:> > > > >> > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match > it> > with> > > > the> > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > indicating> > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > widowhood> > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > >> > > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather > than> > in> > > > 8th> > > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate> > untimely> > > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would > it> > lead> > > to> > > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a > long> > > life> > > > > in the horoscope?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the > second> > > > querie> > > > > may be somewhat personal..> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > thanks..> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , sreenadh > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th > house> > > may> > > > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations> > > without> > > > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his> > ignorance.> > > > > > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before > speaking> > out> > > > the> > > > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a > Yoga> > > > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri> > samvada> > > > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) > are> > met> > > -> > > > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in > astrology -> > > > failing> > > > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes > that he> > is> > > > well> > > > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result> > correctly> > > -> > > > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This > does not> > > > hold> > > > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in > 12th> > > > house,> > > > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > > > >> > > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > slokas> > > -> > > > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 > succeeding> > > > > chapters !!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his> > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if > sadesathi is> > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and > rather> > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > True. > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out > of> > it.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely > badly> > > > placed> > > > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why > malefics> > > > alone,> > > > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For> > > example> > > > -> > > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > widow;> > > > if> > > > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon > in> > 12th> > > > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women > may> > > cause> > > > > bad name for her family.> > > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > > matches.> > > > If> > > > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can > cause> > > death> > > > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th > from> > > lagna> > > > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in > matching what> > > > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like > Mars)> > > alone> > > > or> > > > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and> > malefic)> > > > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they > are> > > > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree > with> > you> > > > to> > > > > a great extend - and feel that from two different > perspectives,> > you> > > > and> > > > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > "panditarjun2004"> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear kiranji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 > principles> > and> > > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally> > learnt> > > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred > page> > > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button > and each> > > > page> > > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with > the> > > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer > has to> > > spend> > > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas > and then> > > > come> > > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted > benefic> > > > planet> > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his> > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if > sadesathi is> > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and > rather> > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various > sufferings of> > > the> > > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother > has> > > mars> > > > in> > > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes > even just> > > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other> > charts> > > > too> > > > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out > of> > it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > > marriage> > > > -> > > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of > marriage, 4th> > is> > > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native> > > himself> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd > house -> > > he> > > > is> > > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries> > another> > > > girl> > > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has > a bad> > > 2nd> > > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so > that it> > > gets> > > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in > 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > > houses> > > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in > sustana?> > > > There> > > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet > dasa> > > maybe> > > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and > come to> > > > > > > conclusion> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars> > finding> > > a> > > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that > too> > > seen> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states > in> > india> > > > do> > > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers > dont see> > > > mars> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native> > manglik.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called> > mangli> > > > yoga> > > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the > genesis> > > of> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > > results> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer > reads> > > > > > > carefully> > > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these > houses in> > > > > > > speicific> > > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed > mars> > > > giving> > > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > yoga.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two > wrongs> > cant> > > > make> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely > blind> > > woman> > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. > on a> > > > > > > positive> > > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests > that> > the> > > > man> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a > woman> > > with> > > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > > > specifically> > > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made > for> > each> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech> > ashtame> > > > > > > kuje,> > > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" > does not> > > > allow> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine > for> > > both.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts > (not> > > > > > > ancient,> > > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another > manglik,> > > > > > > mangal> > > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and> > happiness.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic > mars and> > > if> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another > malefic> > > planet> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas > from> > > books> > > > to> > > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli> > bhanga> > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage > between> > > both> > > > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > :> > > /> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile.> > > > Try> > > > > it now.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

Dear Sunil ji,

" yatra naryastu poojyanthe ramanthe tatra devathath " ( Manu smriti )

(where ever the woman is respected ,the gods will b happy and make that place prosperous .)"

Thanks.......That is a very beautiful saying. If everyman lived accordingly the world will be a happier place...

blessings

Renu

 

, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > dear renu ji .> > > > Thank u .yes it is the essence of our samskriti .> > > > " yatra naryastu poojyanthe ramanthe tatra devathath " ( Manu smriti )> > > > (where ever the woman is respected ,the gods will b happy and make that> place prosperous .)> > > > A good mother is the architecht of family and hence society .> > > > so a mother is a illuminated soul like a budha who can only creat other> budhas .> > > > Thanks and regrds> > sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> >> >> > "Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking> > always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and> > happiness is or was the prime concern ."> >> > Not the slightest doubt about it...I take your word on this. Besides> > even Lord Buddha....one of your revered ancestors...said.. that a> > Buddha is hidden in every mother on earth. Such was his high esteem> > regarding women or rather motherhood.> >> > Thank you so much for your explanations.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> >> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > >> > > dear renu ji .> > >> > >> > >> > > I will try to answer ur query .> > >> > >> > >> > > Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking> > > always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and> > happiness> > > is or was the prime concern .> > >> > >> > >> > > So when the doshas r matched the event may get cancelled .> > >> > >> > >> > > EVen we see wat dasa has to offer ,there are some technics which r> > not> > > disclosed here also .> > >> > >> > >> > > so olden time minimum 30 yrs shud tally for mutual longitivity> > after> > > marriage also ,so the first kid will be a earning memebr .See we r> > > seeing both charts ,and a good prashna for finalysations along with> > > muhurta during the time of marriage .> > >> > >> > >> > > remebr the sloka --- rakshanti staveera putrasya-Manu smriti ( sun> > will> > > protect her in old age ) esp those days there is no jobs or> > insurance> > > schemes or pensions .> > >> > >> > >> > > And i think i will write u prvtly on some methods .( of cource> > which i> > > use )> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,> > > >> > > > I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or> > even by> > > any> > > > other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your> > explanation.> > > >> > > > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will> > clarify the> > > > following a little bit more....> > > >> > > >> > > > ==>File:> > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it> > with> > > > the> > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > indicating> > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > >> > > > Question:> > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > widowhood> > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > <==> > > > Answer by Sreenadh ji:> > > >> > > > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the> > words "Tat> > > > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor> > of> > > this> > > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a> > mere> > > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated;> > where> > > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches> > with the> > > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> > > >> > > > I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that> > a> > > lady> > > > destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say> > > ...with> > > > a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in> > his> > > > horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would> > die> > > > prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood> > > > indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple> > can> > > live> > > > happyily ever after?> > > >> > > > Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where> > would> > > wife> > > > end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband> > would> > > > divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?> > > >> > > > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing> > party? Did> > > I> > > > get it correct?> > > >> > > > Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.> > > >> > > > Thanks...> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > > > > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the> > > editor> > > > of> > > > > that file. > > > > > ==>> > > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match> > it> > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > > indicating> > > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > > > >> > > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > > widowhood> > > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > > <==> > > > > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the> > words "Tat> > > > > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the> > favor of> > > > this> > > > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a> > mere> > > > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results> > indicated;> > > where> > > > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches> > with> > > the> > > > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > > > > ==>> > > > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather> > than> > > in> > > > > 8th> > > > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate> > > untimely> > > > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > > >> > > > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would> > it> > > lead> > > > to> > > > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a> > long> > > > life> > > > > > in the horoscope?> > > > > <==> > > > > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a> > malefic in> > > > > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely> > death is> > > > > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two> > or> > > more> > > > > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such> > strong> > > > > results should not be predicted. But the point "other> > combinations,> > > > > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned> > > because> > > > > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to> > giving/confirming> > > any> > > > > result indicated by some single combination.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > , "renunw"> > renunw@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I quote from your file:> > > > > >> > > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match> > it> > > with> > > > > the> > > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > > indicating> > > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > > > >> > > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > > widowhood> > > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > > >> > > > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather> > than> > > in> > > > > 8th> > > > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate> > > untimely> > > > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would> > it> > > lead> > > > to> > > > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a> > long> > > > life> > > > > > in the horoscope?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the> > second> > > > > querie> > > > > > may be somewhat personal..> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks..> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , sreenadh> > sreesog@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th> > house> > > > may> > > > > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations> > > > without> > > > > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his> > > ignorance.> > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before> > speaking> > > out> > > > > the> > > > > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a> > Yoga> > > > > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri> > > samvada> > > > > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results)> > are> > > met> > > > -> > > > > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in> > astrology -> > > > > failing> > > > > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes> > that he> > > is> > > > > well> > > > > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result> > > correctly> > > > -> > > > > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This> > does not> > > > > hold> > > > > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in> > 12th> > > > > house,> > > > > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > > slokas> > > > -> > > > > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2> > succeeding> > > > > > chapters !!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his> > > mahadasa> > > > is> > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if> > sadesathi is> > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and> > rather> > > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > True. > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out> > of> > > it.> > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely> > badly> > > > > placed> > > > > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why> > malefics> > > > > alone,> > > > > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For> > > > example> > > > > -> > > > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > > widow;> > > > > if> > > > > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon> > in> > > 12th> > > > > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women> > may> > > > cause> > > > > > bad name for her family.> > > > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > > > matches.> > > > > If> > > > > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can> > cause> > > > death> > > > > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th> > from> > > > lagna> > > > > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in> > matching what> > > > > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like> > Mars)> > > > alone> > > > > or> > > > > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and> > > malefic)> > > > > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they> > are> > > > > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree> > with> > > you> > > > > to> > > > > > a great extend - and feel that from two different> > perspectives,> > > you> > > > > and> > > > > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > > "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear kiranji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001> > principles> > > and> > > > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally> > > learnt> > > > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred> > page> > > > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button> > and each> > > > > page> > > > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with> > the> > > > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer> > has to> > > > spend> > > > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas> > and then> > > > > come> > > > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted> > benefic> > > > > planet> > > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his> > > mahadasa> > > > is> > > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if> > sadesathi is> > > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and> > rather> > > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various> > sufferings of> > > > the> > > > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother> > has> > > > mars> > > > > in> > > > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes> > even just> > > > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other> > > charts> > > > > too> > > > > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out> > of> > > it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > > > marriage> > > > > -> > > > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of> > marriage, 4th> > > is> > > > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native> > > > himself> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd> > house -> > > > he> > > > > is> > > > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries> > > another> > > > > girl> > > > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has> > a bad> > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so> > that it> > > > gets> > > > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in> > 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > > > houses> > > > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in> > sustana?> > > > > There> > > > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet> > dasa> > > > maybe> > > > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and> > come to> > > > > > > > conclusion> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars> > > finding> > > > a> > > > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that> > too> > > > seen> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states> > in> > > india> > > > > do> > > > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers> > dont see> > > > > mars> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native> > > manglik.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called> > > mangli> > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the> > genesis> > > > of> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > > > results> > > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer> > reads> > > > > > > > carefully> > > > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these> > houses in> > > > > > > > speicific> > > > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed> > mars> > > > > giving> > > > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > > yoga.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two> > wrongs> > > cant> > > > > make> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely> > blind> > > > woman> > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world.> > on a> > > > > > > > positive> > > > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests> > that> > > the> > > > > man> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a> > woman> > > > with> > > > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > > > > specifically> > > > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made> > for> > > each> > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech> > > ashtame> > > > > > > > kuje,> > > > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut"> > does not> > > > > allow> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine> > for> > > > both.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts> > (not> > > > > > > > ancient,> > > > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another> > manglik,> > > > > > > > mangal> > > > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and> > > happiness.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic> > mars and> > > > if> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another> > malefic> > > > planet> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas> > from> > > > books> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli> > > bhanga> > > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage> > between> > > > both> > > > > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > :> > > > /> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile.> > > > > Try> > > > > > it now.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

Dear Renu ji,

 

You said:

 

" It's a bit complicated. I can't understand how the 'karma' of one

person can be wiped out by another. "

 

I totally agree with your statement. Even Karma of a person can be

altered by the actions of the same person to some extent only. And,

Karma of one person can not alter the Karma of another person! I

think it is toally against the Karma theory.

 

Many people believe that by marrying a certain person their luck

changes or when a new baby arrives, it brings good or bad luck to the

parents. And even such new arrivals in the family can bring death to

some family members. According to me this is absurd. What I feel is

that if a child's horoscope indicates early death of father, it only

means that the child is destined to grow up without its own father.

As a result, the child will be born to such a father who whould die

early. And, the death comes from native's own karma. It is nothing to

do with the child. Child's horoscope only acts as a thermometer for

its parents. A thermometer indicates that the native has fever and it

does not cause the fever by itself!

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> It's a bit complicated. I can't understand how the 'karma' of one

> person can be wiped out by another. Isn't the 1st argument

something

> like that?...A native with a horoscope indicating widowhood,

> marrying a native with a similar horoscope.......

>

> But on the other hand...for instance if A's horoscope indicates

that

> she is going to be a widow shortly after marriage, wouldn't it be

> better for her to marry B with a horoscope indicating good

> longevity? I think this is the second argument brought out by you.

> But even then A's destiny will be changed as a result of marrying

B.

>

> On the other hand since everything is pre-planned and depends on

> one's past 'karma', however much do we try to find solutions to

> prevent ill effects in a horoscope, what is destined to happen WILL

> happen. The only favourable result would be that we would learn to

> accept the truth and get ourselves more and more evolved.

>

> I wish if anyone can provide a horoscope indicating widowhood, but

> avoided it due to correct matching of the charts...based on either

> of the above two arguments.

>

> Thank you Sreenadh ji..you make our thinking faculties work 24/7:)

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

Dear Krishna ji,

 

I totally agree with you. There are instances when parents give away

their new born baby to be brought out by foster parents, for being

wrongly advised by the family astrologer that the child would bring

bad luck/death to the family/parents. This is absurd. What has that

poor child got to do with parents' destiny? May be the child is not

destined to be brought out by such foolish parents.

 

Even in a marriage if husband/wife dies prematurley the blame goes

to the surviving partner's horoscope. Especially if it is the

husband who died, the society looks down upon that widow as if she

is devil herself come to kill that 'poor and innocent' husband. It

is so unfair. Why can't one realize that one has to leave this world

when one's karma attributable to the present life is over? If at all

anyone can change one's karma it is only oneself can do it depending

on the nature of the karma.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

, " krishna_1998 "

<krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> You said:

>

> " It's a bit complicated. I can't understand how the 'karma' of one

> person can be wiped out by another. "

>

> I totally agree with your statement. Even Karma of a person can be

> altered by the actions of the same person to some extent only.

And,

> Karma of one person can not alter the Karma of another person! I

> think it is toally against the Karma theory.

>

> Many people believe that by marrying a certain person their luck

> changes or when a new baby arrives, it brings good or bad luck to

the

> parents. And even such new arrivals in the family can bring death

to

> some family members. According to me this is absurd. What I feel

is

> that if a child's horoscope indicates early death of father, it

only

> means that the child is destined to grow up without its own

father.

> As a result, the child will be born to such a father who whould

die

> early. And, the death comes from native's own karma. It is nothing

to

> do with the child. Child's horoscope only acts as a thermometer

for

> its parents. A thermometer indicates that the native has fever and

it

> does not cause the fever by itself!

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > It's a bit complicated. I can't understand how the 'karma' of

one

> > person can be wiped out by another. Isn't the 1st argument

> something

> > like that?...A native with a horoscope indicating widowhood,

> > marrying a native with a similar horoscope.......

> >

> > But on the other hand...for instance if A's horoscope indicates

> that

> > she is going to be a widow shortly after marriage, wouldn't it

be

> > better for her to marry B with a horoscope indicating good

> > longevity? I think this is the second argument brought out by

you.

> > But even then A's destiny will be changed as a result of

marrying

> B.

> >

> > On the other hand since everything is pre-planned and depends on

> > one's past 'karma', however much do we try to find solutions to

> > prevent ill effects in a horoscope, what is destined to happen

WILL

> > happen. The only favourable result would be that we would learn

to

> > accept the truth and get ourselves more and more evolved.

> >

> > I wish if anyone can provide a horoscope indicating widowhood,

but

> > avoided it due to correct matching of the charts...based on

either

> > of the above two arguments.

> >

> > Thank you Sreenadh ji..you make our thinking faculties work

24/7:)

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

Dear Renu ji, I will argue that a Buddha is hidden in every father as well - women's favoritism I can't bear!! Ok. In our current age and condition it is better to believe that a Buddha's father and Mother is present in every Man and Women respectively - than Buddha himself. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > > "Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking > always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and > happiness is or was the prime concern ."> > Not the slightest doubt about it...I take your word on this. Besides > even Lord Buddha....one of your revered ancestors...said.. that a > Buddha is hidden in every mother on earth. Such was his high esteem > regarding women or rather motherhood.> > Thank you so much for your explanations.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > dear renu ji .> > > > > > > > I will try to answer ur query .> > > > > > > > Dont feel that woman will b a looser .Our ancestrers were thinking> > always lady as pivotal point in matchting and her comfort and > happiness> > is or was the prime concern .> > > > > > > > So when the doshas r matched the event may get cancelled .> > > > > > > > EVen we see wat dasa has to offer ,there are some technics which r > not> > disclosed here also .> > > > > > > > so olden time minimum 30 yrs shud tally for mutual longitivity > after> > marriage also ,so the first kid will be a earning memebr .See we r> > seeing both charts ,and a good prashna for finalysations along with> > muhurta during the time of marriage .> > > > > > > > remebr the sloka --- rakshanti staveera putrasya-Manu smriti ( sun > will> > protect her in old age ) esp those days there is no jobs or > insurance> > schemes or pensions .> > > > > > > > And i think i will write u prvtly on some methods .( of cource > which i> > use )> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji & Sunil ji,> > >> > > I wouldn't mind getting a logical answer by either of you or > even by> > any> > > other learned memeber. Anyway thanks so much for your > explanation.> > >> > > One second please, I am not yet over....Hope Sunil ji will > clarify the> > > following a little bit more....> > >> > >> > > ==>File:> > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match it > with> > > the> > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > indicating> > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > >> > > Question:> > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > widowhood> > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > <==> > > Answer by Sreenadh ji:> > >> > > " I don't know - that is argument floating around and the > words "Tat> > > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the favor > of> > this> > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a > mere> > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results indicated; > where> > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches > with the> > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes. "> > >> > > I would like to repeat the question to Sunil ji. It is said that > a> > lady> > > destined to be widow should be matched with a male or let us say> > ...with> > > a gentleman ..having a horoscope indicating the death of wife in > his> > > horoscope. Does this mean on such an occasion ..the wife would > die> > > prematurely leaving the husband as a widower? OR...does widowhood> > > indication in both the horoscopes cancel out so that the couple > can> > live> > > happyily ever after?> > >> > > Then if the husband's horoscope indicates 2 marriages...where > would> > wife> > > end up? Does that mean that the wife would die first or husband > would> > > divorce her and then the husband can go for a second marriage?> > >> > > Whatever the condition ..ultimately wife will be the losing > party? Did> > I> > > get it correct?> > >> > > Kindly explain this to me...Sunil ji or Sreenadh ji or both.> > >> > > Thanks...> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > First things first - the file is NOT mine but the ideas> > > > presented/posted by Sunil Nair ji in the group - I am just the> > editor> > > of> > > > that file. > > > > ==>> > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match > it> > with> > > > the> > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > indicating> > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > widowhood> > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > <==> > > > I don't know - that is argument floating around and the > words "Tat> > > > samya", "Samya" etc in astro classics is presented in the > favor of> > > this> > > > argument by some. Personally I am against thinking that such a > mere> > > > logical summersault will help in reducing the results > indicated;> > where> > > > as Sunil ji is in favor of it. To be sure whether it matches > with> > the> > > > fact - we need to verify the same in known horoscopes.> > > > ==>> > > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather > than> > in> > > > 8th> > > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate> > untimely> > > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > >> > > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would > it> > lead> > > to> > > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a > long> > > life> > > > > in the horoscope?> > > > <==> > > > Not irrespective of other combinations - but still if a > malefic in> > > > 8th and the said dasa is coming then the chance of untimely > death is> > > > high. But of course note that if "Dwi Tri Samvada bhava" (two > or> > more> > > > combinations indicating the same result) is not there - such > strong> > > > results should not be predicted. But the point "other > combinations,> > > > Dasa, Transit etc also should be considered" is not mentioned> > because> > > > that is a standard rule to be followed prior to > giving/confirming> > any> > > > result indicated by some single combination.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" > renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > I quote from your file:> > > > >> > > > > 5) If a lady having a horoscope indicating widowhood, match > it> > with> > > > the> > > > > horoscope of a person who has two marriages or a combination> > > > indicating> > > > > death of wife in horoscope.> > > > >> > > > > Does such matching prevents the death of the partner and thus> > > > widowhood> > > > > of the lady is nullified?> > > > >> > > > > 7) In male horoscope malefics should be in 7th house rather > than> > in> > > > 8th> > > > > house (mainly 8th house malefics in male horoscope indicate> > untimely> > > > > death, while in female horoscope indicate death of husband)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > How bad is malefics in 8th house in a male horoscope? Would > it> > lead> > > to> > > > > untimely death irrespective of other good combinations for a > long> > > life> > > > > in the horoscope?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Excuse my ignorance and kindly explain to me....though the > second> > > > querie> > > > > may be somewhat personal..> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > thanks..> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , sreenadh > sreesog@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > If some one interprets that the statement "Jupiter in 12th > house> > > may> > > > > make a woman a widow" - will hold good 100% in all situations> > > without> > > > > even considering the dasa and sign; then it is simply his> > ignorance.> > > > > > > > > There is no need to say each and every time that before > speaking> > out> > > > the> > > > > results one should ensure that the result is Dridha (i.e. a > Yoga> > > > > supported by Dasa and Transit as well) and also that Dwi-Tri> > samvada> > > > > bhava (2 or more combinations pointing to the same results) > are> > met> > > -> > > > > these two the primary and very very basic lessons in > astrology -> > > > failing> > > > > with even if one knows 1000 slokas or even if he assumes > that he> > is> > > > well> > > > > versed in astrology he cannot predict even a single result> > correctly> > > -> > > > > this is a point one should remember.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > Kiran R kiran.rama@ wrote: Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > "Jupiter in 12th house may make a woman a widow" - This > does not> > > > hold> > > > > good if Jupiter is in own house or exalted - and even if in > 12th> > > > house,> > > > > it can cause widowhood only in its dasa.> > > > > >> > > > > > That is the problem today with mechanical interpretation of> > slokas> > > -> > > > > The exceptions are usually in a sloka at the end of 2 > succeeding> > > > > chapters !!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Arjun ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > if a native has an exalted benefic planet> > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his> > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if > sadesathi is> > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and > rather> > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > True. > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out > of> > it.> > > > > > <==> > > > > > I agree with you. But still would say that definitely > badly> > > > placed> > > > > Malefics will give inauspicious results for sure. Why > malefics> > > > alone,> > > > > even natural benefics can give many inauspicious results. For> > > example> > > > -> > > > > > Ande gurur hi Vidhavam, dinakrit daridram> > > > > > Chandro dhana vyayakara kuladam cha rahuH> > > > > > (Sthri Jatakam)> > > > > > Meaning, if Jupiter is in 12th house the woman may become a> > widow;> > > > if> > > > > Sun is in 12th house the woman may become penniless; if Moon > in> > 12th> > > > > there could be much expence; if Rahu in 12th house the women > may> > > cause> > > > > bad name for her family.> > > > > > Note that all these results manifest ONLY IF the dasa also> > > matches.> > > > If> > > > > Jupiter in 7th in Capricorn for Cancer lagna, the same can > cause> > > death> > > > > of wife/husband in its dasa. If Jupiter or Venus is in 8th > from> > > lagna> > > > > for an women the chances for abortion is high. So in > matching what> > > > > should be considered - the position of the malefics (like > Mars)> > > alone> > > > or> > > > > the specific results indicated by the various (benefic and> > malefic)> > > > > planets? This is the point one should meditate upon if they > are> > > > > approaching astrology sincerely and systematically. I agree > with> > you> > > > to> > > > > a great extend - and feel that from two different > perspectives,> > you> > > > and> > > > > Sunil ji are presenting one and the same point.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > "panditarjun2004"> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear kiranji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > astrology in olden days even with all these 1001 > principles> > and> > > > > > > exceptions used to be a simple job for the traditionally> > learnt> > > > > > > people but with the computer revolution making a hundred > page> > > > > > > comprehensive astro analysis at the click of a button > and each> > > > page> > > > > > > giving an ambivalent view, the native gets confused with > the> > > > > > > conflicting reports from each section. the astrologer > has to> > > spend> > > > > > > lot of time in seeing, checking, overseeing all areas > and then> > > > come> > > > > > > to a cohesive conclusion. if a native has an exalted > benefic> > > > planet> > > > > > > in su or swasthana with no negative affliction and his> > mahadasa> > > is> > > > > > > running, the native shall get good results but if > sadesathi is> > > > > > > running, the native does not enjoy the good results and > rather> > > > > > > witness some negative results.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > once i could not find any reason for the various > sufferings of> > > the> > > > > > > native and then i asked him to check whether his brother > has> > > mars> > > > in> > > > > > > the 8th house and then he confirmed it. so sometimes > even just> > > > > > > checking the individual chart is not sufficient as other> > charts> > > > too> > > > > > > have vicarious impact.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regarding the mangal dosha, the mail i wrote was only for> > > > > theoretical> > > > > > > knowledge of the members as to how the hype was made out > of> > it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Well said Panditji....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > samya will not work in all cases -> > > > > > > > Samya is usually done for 1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 houses for> > > marriage> > > > -> > > > > > > logic being 7th is spouse, 8th is sustenance of > marriage, 4th> > is> > > > > > > sukha, 2nd is kutumba, 12th is pleasure and 1st is native> > > himself> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Suppose X has 2nd lord in dustana and malefic in 2nd > house -> > > he> > > > is> > > > > > > going to have problems in earned wealth - if he marries> > another> > > > girl> > > > > > > with 2nd lord in dustana/malefic in 2nd house - both will> > > > > > > have "Daridrathana"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think it makes sense logically for a person who has > a bad> > > 2nd> > > > > > > house to look to marry someone with good 2nd house so > that it> > > gets> > > > > > > cancelled - and same logic to all houses as well> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regarding doshas, mere presence of malefic in > 1,2,4,7,8,12> > > > houses> > > > > > > does not cause papatwa - what if the house lord is in > sustana?> > > > There> > > > > > > can be benefic aspecting the house? the malefic planet > dasa> > > maybe> > > > > > > over? the malefic maybe lord of two sustanas...etc> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So maybe a better idea to judge all the houses and > come to> > > > > > > conclusion> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > wrote: dear friends> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this mangal dosha is purportedly caused by merely mars> > finding> > > a> > > > > > > > place in 1,2,4,7,8,12 houses (half of the houses) that > too> > > seen> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > lagna, moon and some say even from venus. some states > in> > india> > > > do> > > > > > > > not reckon 2nd house and similarly some astrologers > dont see> > > > mars> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > these houses from chandra and sukra to brand a native> > manglik.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > there are more than a dozen rules where this so called> > mangli> > > > yoga> > > > > > > > gets nullified through a mangli bhang yoga.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > no ancient classic has any yoga by this name and the > genesis> > > of> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > yoga lies in the individual narration of how mars gives> > > results> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > placed in the houses 1,4,7,8,12. if any astrologer > reads> > > > > > > carefully> > > > > > > > the entire probable dispositions of mars in these > houses in> > > > > > > speicific> > > > > > > > relation to marriage, we find only 7,8,12 house placed > mars> > > > giving> > > > > > > > some problems and not the other houses especially the> > > vaidhavya> > > > > > > yoga.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > logically kiranji's observation is valid that two > wrongs> > cant> > > > make> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > right. a completely blind man marrying a completely > blind> > > woman> > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > not remove their blindness and let them see the world. > on a> > > > > > > positive> > > > > > > > side, if the mars placement in a male chart suggests > that> > the> > > > man> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > a womaniser, he would find good company in marrying a > woman> > > with> > > > > > > > similar yoga in her chart as both are broadminded!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > in all matrimonial websites and advertisements mangliks> > > > > > > specifically> > > > > > > > search only for mangliks thinking that both are made > for> > each> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > or both are best compatible to each other.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the much hyped verse "lagne vyayecha patale jamitrech> > ashtame> > > > > > > kuje,> > > > > > > > kanya bhartru vinashaya, bharta kanya vinashakrut" > does not> > > > allow> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > manglik to marry another manglik as it is internecine > for> > > both.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > but two more verses appeared in modern astrology texts > (not> > > > > > > ancient,> > > > > > > > not even medieval) that says as follows:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > kuja doshvatri deya kuja doshavate kila:> > > > > > > > nadista dosho na chanista dampatyo sukhavardhana.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this verse says that if one manglik marries another > manglik,> > > > > > > mangal> > > > > > > > does not do any evil and rather both enjoy love and> > happiness.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > bhauma tulyo yada bhauma, paapo va tadvasho bhavet> > > > > > > > udvaha subhada prokta chiraayu putra pautrada.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this verse says that if a man's chart has a malefic > mars and> > > if> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > woman's chart has similar malefic mars or another > malefic> > > planet> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > equal proportion, marriage between both is auspicious.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > astrologers have been given so many choicest sholkas > from> > > books> > > > to> > > > > > > > first fix a native manglik, check the dozens of mangli> > bhanga> > > > > > > yogas> > > > > > > > and then find another manglik and make the marriage > between> > > both> > > > > > > > auspicious.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > :> > > /> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile.> > > > Try> > > > > it now.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>