Guest guest Report post Posted September 24, 2009 Dear All, Adiyen does not know { & would like to be enlightened} as to what is the pramanam for all these classifications & part permissions. Saastras specify that One should do 96 Tharpanams every year. This number may vary by 1 02 if we interpolate an English Calender Period of 365 days into a Lunar Calender Year of 365 days. But, adiyen would like an advice - how & since when the performance of only 4 Sankramana Tharpanams in a year was allowed. An unintended offshoot is that some or many Karthas have assumed that it is enough to do 4 AMavaasyai Tharpanams also. Again, adiyen would like to be enlightened of the Pramanams to say " if yo do so & so Sankramana Tharpanam, you need not do that month's Amavaasyai Tharpanam " . As far as adiyen can see & study the Pramanams, there are NO Exceptions - Sankramana Tharpanam, Amavaasyai Tharpanam have to be done one after the other. There are occasions when we do 3 tharpanams on the same day - if Vaithruthi OR Vyaddeepaadam OR one of the Manwadhi Tharpanams also fall on the same day. Swamins - “Deva Pithru Karyaabyaam na Pramathithavyam” ordains the Taittriopanishath – the concluding parts of Krishna Yajur Vedam – in Sheekshavalli. Means that Deva Kaaryams & Pithru Kaaryams should be performed without break & that we must never waver from performing either Deva Kaaryams & Pithru Kaaryams. " Please spare 16-18 minutes per day at least on those 24 {Amaavaasyai & Sankramana Tharpanams} +16 Mahalaya Paksham days - barest minimum. September 16 - was such an auspicious day! October 16 will be one more such super auspicious day. MAY ACHARYAS BLESS ALL SEVARTHIS DAASAN RR ________________________________ On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Venkatesan Ramaswamy <venksmyths wrote: adiyen 1 ) for those who perofrm tharpanam only four times in a year ( Mesham, Katakam, Thulam and Makaram ) Sankaramana srardham , and all amavasyas, then these set of people will perform only Thula sankaraman srardham this year on Thula Ravi This is applicable for other three sankaraman srarthams also, if amavasai coincide then 2 ) For those who perform sankaramana srardham for all 12 months of the tamil year, they will also as usual do only thula sankaramam and will skip amavasai tharpanam on Thula Ravi 3 ) When amavasai coincide with other Tamil Months ( apart from the above four ) also like Vrichika Ravi and Amavasai happen on same day etc , then First category people will perform Amavasai tharpanam on Vrichika Ravi day etc Second category will perform Vrichika masa tharpanam, since they perform this for all months ( they need not do amavasai tharpanam on that day ) and etc adiyen venkatesan vaasudevan srinivasan <svaasudevanandavan Monday, 21 September, 2009 1:09:28 AM Tharpanam Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha,This year Thularavi & Amavasai falls on the same day of Depavali i.e 17th October 2009.So we should do THARPANAM for Thularavi or Amavasai ?AdiyenS.Vaasudevan Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. -- Heartfelt thanks & Warmest RegardsRR___________________________R Rajagopal,Managing Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033. INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office 9144 2249 1971 - Factory 9144 2484 0468 - Fax 9193850 50002 - Mobile, 9194440 57848 - Mobile ___________________________Please visit us at: http://www.eyetex.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2009 Swamins,I would like to add a small note to this. While 96 shrAdhams are specified by shAshtrAs, the shrAdhams fall into 3 broad categories:1. Nityam2. Naimittikam3. KaamyamOut of these Nitya and Naimittika shrAdhAs are mandated by shAshtrAs and if one skips them they accrue sin. Whereas, kAmya shrAdhams such as yugadi, manvadi, arthodaya, mahodaya shrAdhams are performed with some result in mind and hence they become optional for people who are not interested in those fruits. The references for this can be found in multiple texts including pitrumedhasaaram, srivaishnava sadaachaara nirnayam etc... Since sankramana, uparAgAs, ashtakas, mahAlaya fall under naimittika/ nitya shrAdhams they are not really optional. Some people traditionally do sankramana only for vishuva punya kaalams (4 in a year) and this seems more of a practice having a wide followership and acceptance, rather than having a support of pramaanaas (at least I haven't come across texts which state that people need to at least do only vishuva punya kAla shrAdhams). dAsan,SudarsananOn Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Venkatesan Ramaswamy <venksmyths wrote: dasan my writting is based on my discussions with so many scholors on the subject. Even Narasimhapriya has explained this very clearlyin the last two issues if i am informed by Periavarkal corretely ,we do not perform two or three tharpanams on a single day, each one for differnt occassions coinciding on the same day. practically to speak not all and every Sri Vashnavits perform 96 tharpanams in a year. leave alone all the sankaramana tharpanams and amavasai tharpanams The clarificaiton provided covers vide sect of people following only four sankaramana tharpanams in a year /and second set who perform all amavasai, 12 months sankarama tharpanams and also Ashtaka and anvashtaka srartham + graha tharpanam adiyen venkatesan RR <shrirrandavan Thursday, 24 September, 2009 11:05:02 AMRe: Tharpanam Dear All, Adiyen does not know { & would like to be enlightened} as to what is the pramanam for all these classifications & part permissions. Saastras specify that One should do 96 Tharpanams every year. This number may vary by 1 02 if we interpolate an English Calender Period of 365 days into a Lunar Calender Year of 365 days. But, adiyen would like an advice - how & since when the performance of only 4 Sankramana Tharpanams in a year was allowed. An unintended offshoot is that some or many Karthas have assumed that it is enough to do 4 AMavaasyai Tharpanams also. Again, adiyen would like to be enlightened of the Pramanams to say " if yo do so & so Sankramana Tharpanam, you need not do that month's Amavaasyai Tharpanam " . As far as adiyen can see & study the Pramanams, there are NO Exceptions - Sankramana Tharpanam, Amavaasyai Tharpanam have to be done one after the other. There are occasions when we do 3 tharpanams on the same day - if Vaithruthi OR Vyaddeepaadam OR one of the Manwadhi Tharpanams also fall on the same day. Swamins - “Deva Pithru Karyaabyaam na Pramathithavyam” ordains the Taittriopanishath – the concluding parts of Krishna Yajur Vedam – in Sheekshavalli. Means that Deva Kaaryams & Pithru Kaaryams should be performed without break & that we must never waver from performing either Deva Kaaryams & Pithru Kaaryams. " Please spare 16-18 minutes per day at least on those 24 {Amaavaasyai & Sankramana Tharpanams} +16 Mahalaya Paksham days - barest minimum. September 16 - was such an auspicious day! October 16 will be one more such super auspicious day. MAY ACHARYAS BLESS ALL SEVARTHIS DAASAN RR ____________ _________ _________ __ On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Venkatesan Ramaswamy <venksmyths (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: adiyen 1 ) for those who perofrm tharpanam only four times in a year ( Mesham, Katakam, Thulam and Makaram ) Sankaramana srardham , and all amavasyas, then these set of people will perform only Thula sankaraman srardham this year on Thula Ravi This is applicable for other three sankaraman srarthams also, if amavasai coincide then 2 ) For those who perform sankaramana srardham for all 12 months of the tamil year, they will also as usual do only thula sankaramam and will skip amavasai tharpanam on Thula Ravi 3 ) When amavasai coincide with other Tamil Months ( apart from the above four ) also like Vrichika Ravi and Amavasai happen on same day etc , then First category people will perform Amavasai tharpanam on Vrichika Ravi day etc Second category will perform Vrichika masa tharpanam, since they perform this for all months ( they need not do amavasai tharpanam on that day ) and etc adiyen venkatesan vaasudevan srinivasan <svaasudevan@ gmail.com>andavan@ .com Monday, 21 September, 2009 1:09:28 AM Tharpanam Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha,This year Thularavi & Amavasai falls on the same day of Depavali i.e 17th October 2009.So we should do THARPANAM for Thularavi or Amavasai ?AdiyenS.Vaasudevan Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2009 Dear Swamins & Ms Jayashree, All postings are carefully noted. Adiyen totally regrets his inability to engage in a free wheeling discussion about the efficacy OR correctness OR advisability of performing more than ONE Tharpanam in a given day. This is NOT a Sadas to decide which system is correct. Let each Kartha follow what he thinks {or is advised} as the best. Adiyen has been attempting Shannavathi for the past 8 years - without 100% success - at least, 2-3 miss out due to circumstances beyond adiyen's control. Last year was the peak of inability - both the elder Brother & the Matha passed away - six tharpanams got cut. Adiyen notes Sri Sudarsanam's quotes - again no arguments. Adiyen got his Niyamanam from HH, then the Srikaryam Swami & consulted the various books by Sarva Shri Rajagopala Ganapatigal, consulted Ganapati Govindachariar - Principal - Srimath Andavan Veda Patasala at Vaduvur before embarking on this Himalayan attempt. ADiyen stands by his views formed after talikg & getting advised by the abovesaid Gnaanis. Both Vaideeka Sri & Asthika Seva Samaj publish the calendars/ panchangams listing all the Shannavathi Tharpanams - date, Sankalapams etc., Those who want to believe the Periyavaals they consulted may follow their advice & perform 4 or 12 or whatever number of Tharpanams as they are advised. No issue at all!! 17-10-2009 is another huge opportunity for adiyen: Ayippasi Maasa Pirappu, Amavaasyai & Vaithruthi - in that order - Adiyen is fully aware of the Gnaanis & well read Scholars advising against performing 2 or 3 per day. With all humility, adiyen does NOT accept this inference - those who want to follow that advice may follow & perform as many Tharpanams as they are advised. Daasan RR ______________________ On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Jayashree <jayashree_n_b wrote: RR Maama, You are perfectly right in your advice about tarpanams as all sastras and puranas also dictates the same. If our generation people start performing 4, then you can imagine next generation people will zeroin on it. There is still no unity in our Srivaishnavas itself... 1000 people set rules and regulations... There should be one person to unite all Srivaishnavas together. Our sampradayams are truly under threat... Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya || Jai Shree Krishna. Jayashree--- On Thu, 24/9/09, Venkatesan Ramaswamy <venksmyths wrote: Venkatesan Ramaswamy <venksmyths Re: Tharpanamandavan Date: Thursday, 24 September, 2009, 3:39 PM dasan my writting is based on my discussions with so many scholors on the subject. Even Narasimhapriya has explained this very clearlyin the last two issues if i am informed by Periavarkal corretely ,we do not perform two or three tharpanams on a single day, each one for differnt occassions coinciding on the same day. practically to speak not all and every Sri Vashnavits perform 96 tharpanams in a year. leave alone all the sankaramana tharpanams and amavasai tharpanams The clarificaiton provided covers vide sect of people following only four sankaramana tharpanams in a year /and second set who perform all amavasai, 12 months sankarama tharpanams and also Ashtaka and anvashtaka srartham + graha tharpanam adiyen venkatesan RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com>andavan@ .comThursday, 24 September, 2009 11:05:02 AM Re: Tharpanam Dear All, Adiyen does not know { & would like to be enlightened} as to what is the pramanam for all these classifications & part permissions. Saastras specify that One should do 96 Tharpanams every year. This number may vary by 1 02 if we interpolate an English Calender Period of 365 days into a Lunar Calender Year of 365 days. But, adiyen would like an advice - how & since when the performance of only 4 Sankramana Tharpanams in a year was allowed. An unintended offshoot is that some or many Karthas have assumed that it is enough to do 4 AMavaasyai Tharpanams also. Again, adiyen would like to be enlightened of the Pramanams to say " if yo do so & so Sankramana Tharpanam, you need not do that month's Amavaasyai Tharpanam " . As far as adiyen can see & study the Pramanams, there are NO Exceptions - Sankramana Tharpanam, Amavaasyai Tharpanam have to be done one after the other. There are occasions when we do 3 tharpanams on the same day - if Vaithruthi OR Vyaddeepaadam OR one of the Manwadhi Tharpanams also fall on the same day. Swamins - “Deva Pithru Karyaabyaam na Pramathithavyam” ordains the Taittriopanishath – the concluding parts of Krishna Yajur Vedam – in Sheekshavalli. Means that Deva Kaaryams & Pithru Kaaryams should be performed without break & that we must never waver from performing either Deva Kaaryams & Pithru Kaaryams. " Please spare 16-18 minutes per day at least on those 24 {Amaavaasyai & Sankramana Tharpanams} +16 Mahalaya Paksham days - barest minimum. September 16 - was such an auspicious day! October 16 will be one more such super auspicious day. MAY ACHARYAS BLESS ALL SEVARTHIS DAASAN RR ____________ _________ _________ __ On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Venkatesan Ramaswamy <venksmyths (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: adiyen 1 ) for those who perofrm tharpanam only four times in a year ( Mesham, Katakam, Thulam and Makaram ) Sankaramana srardham , and all amavasyas, then these set of people will perform only Thula sankaraman srardham this year on Thula Ravi This is applicable for other three sankaraman srarthams also, if amavasai coincide then 2 ) For those who perform sankaramana srardham for all 12 months of the tamil year, they will also as usual do only thula sankaramam and will skip amavasai tharpanam on Thula Ravi 3 ) When amavasai coincide with other Tamil Months ( apart from the above four ) also like Vrichika Ravi and Amavasai happen on same day etc , then First category people will perform Amavasai tharpanam on Vrichika Ravi day etc Second category will perform Vrichika masa tharpanam, since they perform this for all months ( they need not do amavasai tharpanam on that day ) and etc adiyen venkatesan vaasudevan srinivasan <svaasudevan@ gmail.com>andavan@ .com Monday, 21 September, 2009 1:09:28 AM Tharpanam Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha,This year Thularavi & Amavasai falls on the same day of Depavali i.e 17th October 2009.So we should do THARPANAM for Thularavi or Amavasai ?AdiyenS.Vaasudevan Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. 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