Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2010 Namaste. Chanting of Vishnu Sahasranama, Bhagavati Gita etc. (as sung by pujya mami MS) is from Mahabharata which can be chanted by any person irrespective of any caste / gender. Smt MS Mamiji was a disciple of Mahaswamigal and acted upon the directions of His Holiness. Mami didn't perform homas, rudra parayana, etc. as you mentioned and she was in " her limits " . Once again i repeat: tasmAt shAstram pramAnam te kAryAkAryavyavasthitau; JnAtA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi. Trust the authority of the scriptures in determining what ought to be done and what ought not to be done. Having known what is said in the ordinance of the scriptures, act as per that. God is pleased when you obey His Command (shruti & smriti) and NOT BY FLATTERING HIM. It is just as simple. Your boss in office is pleased when you act as per his command and do your duty as per the boss's command. Your boss is not pleased if you throw your work to winds and stand by his side praising him!!! Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri used to warn the disciples saying that why do you do the acts that have not been prescribed to you. Do what is said & prescribed as in vedas. DO YOUR JOB THAT IS ORDAINED BY VEDA. With this i close this thread and i don't want to engage in this topic. regs, sriram advaitin , " laksmikantam " <laksmikantam wrote: > > namaste, > > I have also heard: > > 1. only brahmins may enter temples and recite the mantras > 2. women should not recite the rudram > 3. women should not do homams > 4. when a woman has a husband, it is sufficient if he does the pujas > 4. women should not repeat the pranava mantra - OM > > I think M.S. Subbalakshmi and others put these myths to rest by chanting them openly. > > E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e in our three japam groups has had amazing miracles, both spiritual and material happen since they started chanting God's name. What Lord Shiva is looking for is a loving heart, brimming with devotion for him. Like a parent will pick up his child no matter how dirty the child is, so also with Lord Shiva. > > with regards, > lk > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2010 --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri used to warn the disciples saying that why do you do the acts that have not been prescribed to you. Do what is said & prescribed as in vedas. DO YOUR JOB THAT IS ORDAINED BY VEDA.--- I have a different question here then. If this is so, rightly as pointed out by Baghavan Bhashyakara as well (in the context of even a Mumukshu that nothing special karma is there for a mumukshu) - Does this mean that other than doing Nitya Karmas like Sandha vandana etc. if one is a brahmachari - then one need not do shiva puja or panchayatana puja etc.. because these are no srauta karma (nor smartha karma)... I learn that not apasthamba but it is bodayana who mentions about panchayatana puja for grihastas. Hence brahmacharis need to do only Sandhya and their samita daana...nothing else right. Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Sriram, I have read that your illustrious ancestor Kavya Kantha Muni held a different view from that of the Acharya on whether non-dvijas were entitled to study the vedas. So how can we assert what is the correct interpretation when such very learned persons differ? Best wishes, S.N.Sastri advaitin , " Venkata Sriram " <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > Once again i repeat: > > tasmAt shAstram pramAnam te kAryAkAryavyavasthitau; > JnAtA shAstravidhAnoktam karma kartumihArhasi. > > Trust the authority of the scriptures in determining what ought to be done and what ought not to be done. Having known what is said in the ordinance of the scriptures, act as per that. > regs, > sriram Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2010 Namaste. Paramapujya Sastri-mahodaya, I am not learned as you are and also does not have the authority to stand before you. But still, some childish blabber. Kanchi Mahaperiyaval though he was fond of Ganapati Muni, had certain reservations against him regarding the dilution of varna ashrama dharma. Both Swamigal & Ganapati Muni had difference of opinions on certain aspects. Mahaswamigal questioned the rebellious attitude of Ganapati Muni on certain aspects of varna dharma and veda adhikara to stris. Ganapati muni had some strong opinions and clung to karma and probably that was the reason Bhagavan Ramana commented that nayana had strong vasanas of tapas and mantra japa. Opinion of Muni: *********************** Shri Ganapati Muni says that if we have the capacity to initiate the non-dwijas into gayatri japa and take their karmic effects upon themselves, then they can be initiated. Only the great tapasvins should take the responsibility of these initiations who can dissolve the sin by performing tapas. Infact, some of the harijans were initiated in Gayatri Japa and invested with sacred thread by Shri Muni. This rebellious act irked the then mutthadhipatis and even periyaval. So, only handful of such great tapasvins like Ganapati Muni who has the power to transmit spiritual power can take the dynamic task of initiating non-dwijas into vedic upasana. Others should not. Whatever may be the reason, we have 2 stallwarts before us. One rooted to sanatana dharma and sampradaya and the one rooted also to sanatana dharma having the broad-vision of vedic rishis. Amnaya Mutts like Sringeri and Kanchi have strictly forbidden the women & non-dvijas from chanting the pranava. Current pithadhipati of Sringeri during his anugraha bhashya warned of certain health consequences when women chant the veda & pranava. It effects their uterus and their reproductive cycle. Anyways, it is up to decide which way to go. BTW, by the grace of Shri Goda Venkateshwara Sastrigal, i have got xerox copy of " Dahara Vidya Prakasika " . It is about 20-25 pages. I would scan and send it to you or moderators. Kinly upload them. Regs, Sriram advaitin , " snsastri " <sn.sastri wrote: > > Dear Sriram, > I have read that your illustrious ancestor Kavya Kantha Muni held a different view from that of the Acharya on whether non-dvijas were entitled to study the vedas. So how can we assert what is the correct interpretation when such very learned persons differ? > Best wishes, > S.N.Sastri > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Namaste. Brahmacharis does not require Panchayatana as the panchayatana represents pancha-paka-yajnas which is essential for grihasthas. Importance of panchayatana is explained as: sandhyAmbikA dEvahavirdinAdhipah piturmanuShyasyacha viShnurIritah brahmEshwaro bhUtabalirgaNAdhipo yajnEshwarA ssUryajanIyadEvatAh viShnustapahpUrtikarassa karmaNAm sAkShI ravirmantramayI manonmani dhyAtu ssa vighnArtihridambikAsUno jnAnaprada sshambhuritIryatE budhaih Ambika is Sandhya rupa; Surya is Devata Havir rupa; Vishnu is Pitru Kavih rupa; Shiva is Brahma (pradhAna ritvik) rupa; Ganapati is Bhuta Bali rupa. Hence, all the 5 deities represent Sandhya, Deva Yajna, Pitr yajna, yajamAn, bhuta bali which are the Pancha Yajnas. The panchayatana is the performance of 5 yajnas respectively. Moreover, Vishnu is Karma Phala Pradata; Surya is Karma Sakshi; Ambika is Mantra Swarupini; Ganapati is vighna nashaka; Shiva is Jnana prada. And hence, Panchayatana is a MUST for every Smarta Grihastha which in a way represents Pancha Paka Yajnas. For brahmacharis, veda parayana, gayatri anushtana and agni karya is prescribed by the shruti. That is what is followed by brahmacharis in Sringeri Veda Pathasala. With regards, sriram advaitin , Venkata Subramanian <venkat_advaita wrote: > > > --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri used to warn the disciples saying that why do you do the acts that have not been prescribed to you. Do what is said & prescribed as in vedas. DO YOUR JOB THAT IS ORDAINED BY VEDA. > --- > I have a different question here then. > > If this is so, rightly as pointed out by Baghavan Bhashyakara as well (in the context of even a Mumukshu that nothing special karma is there for a mumukshu) - Does this mean that other than doing Nitya Karmas like Sandha vandana etc. if one is a brahmachari - then one need not do shiva puja or panchayatana puja etc.. because these are no srauta karma (nor smartha karma)... > > I learn that not apasthamba but it is bodayana who mentions about panchayatana puja for grihastas. Hence brahmacharis need to do only Sandhya and their samita daana...nothing else right. > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2010 where is the sloka from and this explanation from.... --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Re: tasmAt shAstram pramANam...advaitin Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 11:14 AM Namaste. Brahmacharis does not require Panchayatana as the panchayatana represents pancha-paka- yajnas which is essential for grihasthas. Importance of panchayatana is explained as:sandhyAmbikA dEvahavirdinAdhipahpiturmanuShyasyacha viShnurIritahbrahmEshwaro bhUtabalirgaNAdhipoyajnEshwarA ssUryajanIyadEvatAhviShnustapahpUrtika rassa karmaNAmsAkShI ravirmantramayI manonmanidhyAtu ssa vighnArtihridambikA sUnojnAnaprada sshambhuritIryatE budhaihAmbika is Sandhya rupa; Surya is Devata Havir rupa; Vishnu is Pitru Kavih rupa; Shiva is Brahma (pradhAna ritvik) rupa; Ganapati is Bhuta Bali rupa. Hence, all the 5 deities represent Sandhya, Deva Yajna, Pitr yajna, yajamAn, bhuta bali which are the Pancha Yajnas. The panchayatana is the performance of 5 yajnas respectively.Moreover, Vishnu is Karma Phala Pradata; Surya is Karma Sakshi; Ambika is Mantra Swarupini; Ganapati is vighna nashaka; Shiva is Jnana prada.And hence, Panchayatana is a MUST for every Smarta Grihastha which in a way represents Pancha Paka Yajnas.For brahmacharis, veda parayana, gayatri anushtana and agni karya is prescribed by the shruti. That is what is followed by brahmacharis in Sringeri Veda Pathasala. With regards,sriramadvaitin@ s.com, Venkata Subramanian <venkat_advaita@ ...> wrote:>> > --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:> > > > > > > > Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri used to warn the disciples saying that why do you do the acts that have not been prescribed to you. Do what is said & prescribed as in vedas. DO YOUR JOB THAT IS ORDAINED BY VEDA.> --- > I have a different question here then.> > If this is so, rightly as pointed out by Baghavan Bhashyakara as well (in the context of even a Mumukshu that nothing special karma is there for a mumukshu) - Does this mean that other than doing Nitya Karmas like Sandha vandana etc. if one is a brahmachari - then one need not do shiva puja or panchayatana puja etc.. because these are no srauta karma (nor smartha karma)...> > I learn that not apasthamba but it is bodayana who mentions about panchayatana puja for grihastas. Hence brahmacharis need to do only Sandhya and their samita daana...nothing else right.> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Panchayatana Prashashtya of Sadachara Samgraha - abhinava gupta published in 1893. try ur luck...... advaitin , Venkata Subramanian <venkat_advaita wrote: > > where is the sloka from and this explanation from.... >  > --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > > Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > Re: tasmAt shAstram pramANam... > advaitin > Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 11:14 AM > > >  > > > > Namaste. > > Brahmacharis does not require Panchayatana as the panchayatana represents pancha-paka- yajnas which is essential for grihasthas. > > Importance of panchayatana is explained as: > > sandhyAmbikA dEvahavirdinAdhipah > piturmanuShyasyacha viShnurIritah > brahmEshwaro bhUtabalirgaNAdhipo > yajnEshwarA ssUryajanIyadEvatAh > > viShnustapahpUrtika rassa karmaNAm > sAkShI ravirmantramayI manonmani > dhyAtu ssa vighnArtihridambikA sUno > jnAnaprada sshambhuritIryatE budhaih > > Ambika is Sandhya rupa; Surya is Devata Havir rupa; Vishnu is Pitru Kavih rupa; Shiva is Brahma (pradhAna ritvik) rupa; Ganapati is Bhuta Bali rupa. Hence, all the 5 deities represent Sandhya, Deva Yajna, Pitr yajna, yajamAn, bhuta bali which are the Pancha Yajnas. The panchayatana is the performance of 5 yajnas respectively. > > Moreover, Vishnu is Karma Phala Pradata; Surya is Karma Sakshi; Ambika is Mantra Swarupini; Ganapati is vighna nashaka; Shiva is Jnana prada. > > And hence, Panchayatana is a MUST for every Smarta Grihastha which in a way represents Pancha Paka Yajnas. > > For brahmacharis, veda parayana, gayatri anushtana and agni karya is prescribed by the shruti. That is what is followed by brahmacharis in Sringeri Veda Pathasala. > > With regards, > sriram > > advaitin@ s.com, Venkata Subramanian <venkat_advaita@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri used to warn the disciples saying that why do you do the acts that have not been prescribed to you. Do what is said & prescribed as in vedas. DO YOUR JOB THAT IS ORDAINED BY VEDA. > > --- > > I have a different question here then. > >  > > If this is so, rightly as pointed out by Baghavan Bhashyakara as well (in the context of even a Mumukshu that nothing special karma is there for a mumukshu) - Does this mean that other than doing Nitya Karmas like Sandha vandana etc. if one is a brahmachari - then one need not do shiva puja or panchayatana puja etc.. because these are no srauta karma (nor smartha karma)... > >  > > I learn that not apasthamba but it is bodayana who mentions about panchayatana puja for grihastas. Hence brahmacharis need to do only Sandhya and their samita daana...nothing else right. > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 29, 2010 Oh thanks. I asked it since I have never read in any traditional source (Acaryal / shankara krupa etc.) this meaning brought below, equating Panchayatana puja with the pancha yagnya..... venkat.--- On Thu, 28/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote: Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi Re: tasmAt shAstram pramANam...advaitin Date: Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 8:22 PM Panchayatana Prashashtya of Sadachara Samgraha - abhinava gupta published in 1893.try ur luck......advaitin@ s.com, Venkata Subramanian <venkat_advaita@ ...> wrote:>> where is the sloka from and this explanation from....>  > --- On Thu, 28/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:> > > Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi > Re: tasmAt shAstram pramANam...> advaitin@ s.com> Thursday, 28 January, 2010, 11:14 AM> > >  > > > > Namaste. > > Brahmacharis does not require Panchayatana as the panchayatana represents pancha-paka- yajnas which is essential for grihasthas. > > Importance of panchayatana is explained as:> > sandhyAmbikA dEvahavirdinAdhipah> piturmanuShyasyacha viShnurIritah> brahmEshwaro bhUtabalirgaNAdhipo> yajnEshwarA ssUryajanIyadEvatAh> > viShnustapahpUrtika rassa karmaNAm> sAkShI ravirmantramayI manonmani> dhyAtu ssa vighnArtihridambikA sUno> jnAnaprada sshambhuritIryatE budhaih> > Ambika is Sandhya rupa; Surya is Devata Havir rupa; Vishnu is Pitru Kavih rupa; Shiva is Brahma (pradhAna ritvik) rupa; Ganapati is Bhuta Bali rupa. Hence, all the 5 deities represent Sandhya, Deva Yajna, Pitr yajna, yajamAn, bhuta bali which are the Pancha Yajnas. The panchayatana is the performance of 5 yajnas respectively.> > Moreover, Vishnu is Karma Phala Pradata; Surya is Karma Sakshi; Ambika is Mantra Swarupini; Ganapati is vighna nashaka; Shiva is Jnana prada.> > And hence, Panchayatana is a MUST for every Smarta Grihastha which in a way represents Pancha Paka Yajnas.> > For brahmacharis, veda parayana, gayatri anushtana and agni karya is prescribed by the shruti. That is what is followed by brahmacharis in Sringeri Veda Pathasala. > > With regards,> sriram> > advaitin@ s.com, Venkata Subramanian <venkat_advaita@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > --- On Wed, 27/1/10, Venkata Sriram <sriram_sapthasathi wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal of Sringeri used to warn the disciples saying that why do you do the acts that have not been prescribed to you. Do what is said & prescribed as in vedas. DO YOUR JOB THAT IS ORDAINED BY VEDA.> > --- > > I have a different question here then.> >  > > If this is so, rightly as pointed out by Baghavan Bhashyakara as well (in the context of even a Mumukshu that nothing special karma is there for a mumukshu) - Does this mean that other than doing Nitya Karmas like Sandha vandana etc. if one is a brahmachari - then one need not do shiva puja or panchayatana puja etc.. because these are no srauta karma (nor smartha karma)...> >  > > I learn that not apasthamba but it is bodayana who mentions about panchayatana puja for grihastas. Hence brahmacharis need to do only Sandhya and their samita daana...nothing else right.> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> >> > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mekanagaraj 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2010 Dear Sri Sriramji, Namaskaram. I have gone through some of your expositions on Panchayatana Puja. I would like to know wher Sri Skanda is to be seated in the panchayatana order because there is no corner left. And further in what form traditionally he can be worshiped along with the five moorthis. Kanagaraj Easwaran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mekanagaraj 0 Report post Posted September 1, 2010 Dear all, Namaskaram to all. I happen to come across the interesting discussion going on the universal access to Vedic Scriptures irrespective of gender, caste etc. I am not a Vedic scholar but I strongly believe in the authority of Vedic Wisdom and adhere to veda paramparyam. I donot understand when Sri Saraswati has Vedas in her hand, when Gayathri is Veda mata, there are women vedic rishis why vedic knowledge is denied to women. When Ma Parvati performs Shiva Pooja and japa with Rudhraksha how come they be denied to women. In same vein, I would like to ask the advocates of restricted access of Vedic wisdom to only the men born in the top three Varnas(BKV). When there are Vedic Rishis whose parentage was unknown, how come you deny the people of the other varna the access of great vedic wisdom. When a thief Valmiki could become a great Maharishi with chant of Rama Nama, how come vedic wisdom be denied to the others. Dear all we are in a crucial stage. Today we have to protect and promote Veda dharma, anushtana in a united way. Let all join together and have an inclusive framework of Sanatana dharma. We have to remember the western vedic Scholars like Sri Max Muller, today Pt. Vamadeva sastri have done a lot. I feel exclusion of Millions of people from chanting Gayathri and other veda mantras will not promote our dharma. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
