Dear list members,

I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram on the old
Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.

1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've come
across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the Rudram chanted
today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from the other
Yajur veda samhitas?

2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've come
across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always include the
following interpolated verses.

In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following line (which
is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):

namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya tripurAntakAya
trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya sarvezvarAya
sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |

TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which consists of lines
from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg veda):
tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva
bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya oSadhISu yo rudro
vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH sviSuH
sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya rudram
namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me bhagavattaraH |
ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM pAzA mRtyo
martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave svAhA
mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi | prANAnAM
granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo rudrAya viSNave
mRtyurme pAhi |

TS 4.7.11 is followed by:

iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH sUktavAcaH
pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu vakSyAmi madhu
vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM manuSyebhyastaM mA devA
avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |

Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious literature
about these interpolated verses and why they were included into the Rudram
litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these interpolationed
verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?

Many thanks,



Harry Spier
371 Brickman Rd.
Hurleyville, New York
USA 12747

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--- In INDOLOGY@y..., "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote:
> Dear list members,
>
> I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram on
the old
> Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.
>
> 1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've
come
> across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the Rudram
chanted
> today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from
the other
> Yajur veda samhitas?
>
> 2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany I've
come
> across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always
include the
> following interpolated verses.
>
> In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following
line (which
> is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):
>
> namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya
tripurAntakAya
> trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya
sarvezvarAya
> sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |
>
> TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which consists
of lines
> from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg
veda):
> tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva
> bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya oSadhISu
yo rudro
> vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH sviSuH
> sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya
rudram
> namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me
bhagavattaraH |
> ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM pAzA
mRtyo
> martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave
svAhA
> mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi |
prANAnAM
> granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo rudrAya
viSNave
> mRtyurme pAhi |
>
> TS 4.7.11 is followed by:
>
> iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH
sUktavAcaH
> pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu vakSyAmi
madhu
> vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM
manuSyebhyastaM mA devA
> avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |
>
> Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious
literature
> about these interpolated verses and why they were included into the
Rudram
> litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these
interpolationed
> verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> Harry Spier
> 371 Brickman Rd.
> Hurleyville, New York
> USA 12747
> dear sir,
>the rudree or maharudree is normally chansted in shiva temple
onle,as it is mainly contributed to shiva.
th shukla yajurveda(madhyandin samhita,kANva samhita etc also having
this chapter.but there are some mantras of T.S are not available in
shukla Yv.actualy there are two main branches of vedas.one followed
by vaishampayanin cludes T.S ,M.S etc.also called the blck Y.V.other
branch followed the collection of yajyavalkya and his followers,also
called the white Y.V.As the blck vedas having mantras of veda and
brahman literature combined,where as in white brach,such mixing is
not allowed.the mantra:
namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya
tripurAntakAya
> trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya
sarvezvarAya
> sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |
>is not from any single veda,but a collection from
puranas,tantras,and vedas etc.
other mantras asked by you are available in other chapters of Y.V.
they are not in chapter 16th,18th[namakah,chamaka]
spsharma
spsharma
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> dear sir,
>the rudree or maharudree is normally chansted in shiva temple
only,as it is mainly contributed to shiva.
the shukla yajurveda(madhyandin samhita,kANva samhita etc also having
this chapter.but there are some mantras of T.S are not available in
shukla Yv.actualy there are two main branches of vedas.one followed
by sage vaishampayanin and his disciples it includes TatterIya
samhitA,MaitrAyanI SamhitA etc.also called the balck Yajurveda.other
branch followed the collection of sage "yajyavalkya" and his
followers,also
called the white YajurVedah.The black Yajur veda branches having
mantras of veda and
brahman literature combined together,where as in white brach,such
mixing is
not allowed.the mantra:
namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya
tripurAntakAya
> trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya
sarvezvarAya
> sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |
>is not from any single veda,but a collection from
puranas,tantras,and vedas etc.
other mantras asked by you are available in other chapters of white
Yajurveda.
2nd chapter.They are not in chapter 16th,18th[namakah,chamaka]
spsharma

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--- In INDOLOGY@y..., "sharmasp51" <sharmasp51@y...> wrote:
> --- In INDOLOGY@y..., "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote:
> > Dear list members,
> >
> > I was unable to get answers to these questions about the Rudram
on
> the old
> > Indology list so I thought I'd try once more on the new list.
> >
> > 1) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany
I've
> come
> > across are the version from the Taittiriya Samhita. Is the
Rudram
> chanted
> > today in Saivite temples (or anywhere else) in the versions from
> the other
> > Yajur veda samhitas?
> >
> > 2) All the chanting books and recordings of the Rudram litany
I've
> come
> > across are Taittiriya Samhita chapters 4.5 and 4.7 but always
> include the
> > following interpolated verses.
> >
> > In the Rudram chant TS 4.5.1 is always followed by the following
> line (which
> > is not from the vedic corpus as far as I can see):
> >
> > namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya
> tripurAntakAya
> > trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya
> sarvezvarAya
> > sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |
> >
> > TS 4.5.11 is always followed by the following verse which
consists
> of lines
> > from various different parts of the vedic texts including the Rg
> veda):
> > tryAmbakaM yajAmahe sugandhim puSTivardhanaM | urvArukamiva
> > bandhanAnmRtyormukSIya mAmRtAt | Yo rudro agnau yo apsu ya
oSadhISu
> yo rudro
> > vizvA bhuvanA viveza tasmai rudrAya namo astu | tamuSTuhi yaH
sviSuH
> > sudhanvA yo vizvasya kSayati bheSajasya | yakSvAmahe saumanasAya
> rudram
> > namobhirdevamasuraM duvasya | ayaM me hasto bhagavAnayaM me
> bhagavattaraH |
> > ayaM me vizvabheSajoya& zivAbhimarzanaH | Ye te sahasramayutaM
pAzA
> mRtyo
> > martyAya hantave | tAnyajnasyamAyayA sarvAnava yajAmahe | mRtyave
> svAhA
> > mRtyave svAha | Om namo bhagavate rudrAya viSNave mRtyurme pAhi |
> prANAnAM
> > granthirasi rudro mA vizAntakaH | tenAnnenApyAyasva | Namo
rudrAya
> viSNave
> > mRtyurme pAhi |
> >
> > TS 4.7.11 is followed by:
> >
> > iDA devahUrmanuryajnanIrbRhaspati rukthAmadAni za&siSadvizvedevaH
> sUktavAcaH
> > pRthivi mAtarmA mA hi&sIrmadhu maniSye madhu janiSye madhu
vakSyAmi
> madhu
> > vadiSyAmi madhmatIm devebhyovAcamudyAsa& zuzrUSeNyAM
> manuSyebhyastaM mA devA
> > avantu zobhAyai pitaronumadantu |
> >
> > Does anyone know if there are any references in the religious
> literature
> > about these interpolated verses and why they were included into
the
> Rudram
> > litany? Do we know when these were included? Do these
> interpolationed
> > verses appear as complete verses anywhere else?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Harry Spier
> > 371 Brickman Rd.
> > Hurleyville, New York
> > USA 12747
> > dear sir,
> >the rudree or maharudree is normally chansted in shiva temple
> onle,as it is mainly contributed to shiva.
> th shukla yajurveda(madhyandin samhita,kANva samhita etc also
having
> this chapter.but there are some mantras of T.S are not available in
> shukla Yv.actualy there are two main branches of vedas.one followed
> by vaishampayanin cludes T.S ,M.S etc.also called the blck
Y.V.other
> branch followed the collection of yajyavalkya and his
followers,also
> called the white Y.V.As the blck vedas having mantras of veda and
> brahman literature combined,where as in white brach,such mixing is
> not allowed.the mantra:
> namaste astu bhagavanvizvezvarAya mahAdevAya tryambakAya
> tripurAntakAya
> > trikAlAgnikAlAya kAlAgnirudrAya nIlakanThAya mRtyunjayAya
> sarvezvarAya
> > sadAzivAya zrIman mahAdevAya namaH |
> >is not from any single veda,but a collection from
> puranas,tantras,and vedas etc.
> other mantras asked by you are available in other chapters of Y.V.
> they are not in chapter 16th,18th[namakah,chamaka]
> spsharma
> spsharma
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Since a no. of subscribers have answered the first part of your question. Here is the answer to the second part - The verses that you see that are from other parts of vedic text are chanted because they are considered "Phala-sruti" for the Rudram. The same thing is done for Srisuktam as well (the phala-sruti for sri-suktam is longer than the sukta itself).

Also, the verse Namastestu Bhagavan Vishveshvaraya.. is only chanted during Rudra Abhisheka not during Rudra homa or any other Rudra rituals. It has a ritualistic significance in Abhisheka (you need to see this done in person to find out what it is).