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Hi Larry,

Glad to hear of your progress. Go to the publications on the shaivism

site and I believe you will find a componant that will let you download the

ShivaSutras. Sutra literally means thread, and a sutra must be as concise

and with the fewest words possible...it's shivism in a nutshell...As for the

ears, listen intently on only one tone at time. what ever the sound may be.

You must focus on it with undivided attention...that means both ears...go

deeper into it...in hours, days, or month, another tone or tones will

present themselves to you. Go with the one that is the most intuitive to

you...It may not be the loudest...the important thing is too give undivided

attention to the sound that you are focusing on...in time you will not only

hear it in one ear, but both...you will merge with it...it will resonate

throughout your whole body...Do not be suprised if you even feel your head

vibrating in time...this is good...go with it...it is a sign that you are

one with the sound...I must stress that this vibrating feeling is not

necessary, but sometimes happens in a certain percentage of people.

Light

Marcus

 

laurence beyer <larbeyer9

< >

Monday, February 08, 1999 9:28 PM

Meditation on the inner sound

 

>laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>

>

>Hello Marcus,

>

>Thanks for turning us on to the inner sound meditation. I've been

>using it for a couple of days and it seems to be going quite well.

>The Web sites you suggested last Friday are superb! Much thanks!

>

>I've been working on the inner sound at the later part of my sadhana,

>where and when I'm most focused and most centered. I've got a few

>questions. I seem to be experiancing inner sounds in both ears and

>they are quite different. Many years ago I was told that we should

>tune in to one side more than the other, and that this had something

>to do with our being predominately right or left handed. Also the

>inner sound seems to be very easy for me to hear, it seems to permeate

>my entire sadhana, even when I'm working with mantra. I can easily

>tune in to it during the day. My feeling on this , is that I'm either

>doing something right, or I'm way out in left field. I am enjoying

>the discussion on the sutras very much. At this juncture I feel that

>I don't have much to contribute in that I am just learning. I am

>digesting John Hughes , article on Mosksa and the means of its

>attainment, very slowly, it's wonderful. If you could share any

>information or steer in a direction it would be most appreciated.

>Thanks for all the information so far!

>

>Sat Nam

>

>Larry

>

>

>

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Hello Marcus,

 

Thanks for turning us on to the inner sound meditation. I've been

using it for a couple of days and it seems to be going quite well.

The Web sites you suggested last Friday are superb! Much thanks!

 

I've been working on the inner sound at the later part of my sadhana,

where and when I'm most focused and most centered. I've got a few

questions. I seem to be experiancing inner sounds in both ears and

they are quite different. Many years ago I was told that we should

tune in to one side more than the other, and that this had something

to do with our being predominately right or left handed. Also the

inner sound seems to be very easy for me to hear, it seems to permeate

my entire sadhana, even when I'm working with mantra. I can easily

tune in to it during the day. My feeling on this , is that I'm either

doing something right, or I'm way out in left field. I am enjoying

the discussion on the sutras very much. At this juncture I feel that

I don't have much to contribute in that I am just learning. I am

digesting John Hughes , article on Mosksa and the means of its

attainment, very slowly, it's wonderful. If you could share any

information or steer in a direction it would be most appreciated.

Thanks for all the information so far!

 

Sat Nam

 

Larry

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Gloria,

A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

Light

Marcus

 

Gloria Greco <lodpress

< >

Cc: heartzen <heartzen

Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

Re: Meditation on the inner sound

 

>Gloria Greco <lodpress

>

>Gloria Greco shares:

> A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

>during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of any

>kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and the

>creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

>ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

>sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me out

>of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when it

>comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature related

>to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

> This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and sound,

>as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we are

>suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running through

>us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is also

>the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and have

>our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests in

>us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related to

>this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

> One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

>experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked does

>this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

>what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things, nothing

>seems to exist or bother you.

> This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

>center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can be

>certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

>

>laurence beyer wrote:

>>

>> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>>

>> Hello Marcus,

>>

>> Thanks for turning us on to the inner sound meditation. I've been

>> using it for a couple of days and it seems to be going quite well.

>> The Web sites you suggested last Friday are superb! Much thanks!

>>

>> I've been working on the inner sound at the later part of my sadhana,

>> where and when I'm most focused and most centered. I've got a few

>> questions. I seem to be experiancing inner sounds in both ears and

>> they are quite different. Many years ago I was told that we should

>> tune in to one side more than the other, and that this had something

>> to do with our being predominately right or left handed. Also the

>> inner sound seems to be very easy for me to hear, it seems to permeate

>> my entire sadhana, even when I'm working with mantra. I can easily

>> tune in to it during the day. My feeling on this , is that I'm either

>> doing something right, or I'm way out in left field. I am enjoying

>> the discussion on the sutras very much. At this juncture I feel that

>> I don't have much to contribute in that I am just learning. I am

>> digesting John Hughes , article on Mosksa and the means of its

>> attainment, very slowly, it's wonderful. If you could share any

>> information or steer in a direction it would be most appreciated.

>> Thanks for all the information so far!

>>

>> Sat Nam

>>

>> Larry

>>

>> ------

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>> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

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>

>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

>Gloria Joy Greco

> e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>&

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

>Hope you enjoy them!

>

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Gloria,

I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the non-duality of

Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the left,

then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by John

Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up after you

have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it. You seem

to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and it would

not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands of years

of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in contemplation

and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually advance

without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will elucidate

later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It is an

absolute pleasure to meet you.

Much Light

Marcus

p.s. I am on central standard time.

 

Gloria Greco <lodpress

< >

Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

Re: Meditation on the inner sound

 

>Gloria Greco <lodpress

>

>currwamp wrote:

>>

>> "currwamp" <currwamp

>>

>> Gloria,

>> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

>> Light

>> Marcus

>

>Gloria:

> My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

>immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you Marcus.I

>am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice to

>make the connection.

>

>>

>> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> < >

>> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

>> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

>> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>>

>> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >

>> >Gloria Greco shares:

>> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

>> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of any

>> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and the

>> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

>> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

>> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me out

>> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when it

>> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature related

>> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

>> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and sound,

>> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we are

>> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running through

>> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is also

>> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and have

>> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests in

>> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related to

>> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

>> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

>> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked does

>> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

>> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things, nothing

>> >seems to exist or bother you.

>> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

>> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can be

>> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

>> >

>> >laurence beyer wrote:

>> >>

>> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>> >>

>> >>

>

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Gloria Greco shares:

A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of any

kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and the

creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me out

of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when it

comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature related

to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and sound,

as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we are

suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running through

us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is also

the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and have

our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests in

us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related to

this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked does

this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things, nothing

seems to exist or bother you.

This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can be

certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

 

laurence beyer wrote:

>

> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>

> Hello Marcus,

>

> Thanks for turning us on to the inner sound meditation. I've been

> using it for a couple of days and it seems to be going quite well.

> The Web sites you suggested last Friday are superb! Much thanks!

>

> I've been working on the inner sound at the later part of my sadhana,

> where and when I'm most focused and most centered. I've got a few

> questions. I seem to be experiancing inner sounds in both ears and

> they are quite different. Many years ago I was told that we should

> tune in to one side more than the other, and that this had something

> to do with our being predominately right or left handed. Also the

> inner sound seems to be very easy for me to hear, it seems to permeate

> my entire sadhana, even when I'm working with mantra. I can easily

> tune in to it during the day. My feeling on this , is that I'm either

> doing something right, or I'm way out in left field. I am enjoying

> the discussion on the sutras very much. At this juncture I feel that

> I don't have much to contribute in that I am just learning. I am

> digesting John Hughes , article on Mosksa and the means of its

> attainment, very slowly, it's wonderful. If you could share any

> information or steer in a direction it would be most appreciated.

> Thanks for all the information so far!

>

> Sat Nam

>

> Larry

>

> ------

> To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription

> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

 

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Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

Gloria Joy Greco

e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

&

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

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currwamp wrote:

>

> "currwamp" <currwamp

>

> Gloria,

> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

> Light

> Marcus

 

Gloria:

My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you Marcus.I

am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice to

make the connection.

>

> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> < >

> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>

> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >

> >Gloria Greco shares:

> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of any

> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and the

> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me out

> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when it

> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature related

> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and sound,

> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we are

> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running through

> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is also

> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and have

> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests in

> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related to

> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked does

> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things, nothing

> >seems to exist or bother you.

> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can be

> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

> >

> >laurence beyer wrote:

> >>

> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

> >>

> >>

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Gloria,

You may be dead on about the initiation or ritual aspect. The heat on

the top of your head was most likely Saktipat--the descent of divine shakti.

It doesn't literally descend, but rather manifests itself at the crown then

downward. This could very well be the unfoldment, or unmesa of Divine

counciousness--the move toward unity. This is accompanied by the vimesa,

dissapearance of illusion of difference. The veil of Maya possesses five

kancucas or coverings:

Kala--Reduces the omnipotence of Shiva to the empirical individual.

Vidya--Reduces the omnicience of Shiva to limited knowledge.

Raga--reduces the fullness of Siva to desire for particular things.

Kala--reduces eternity to limitation in respect of time.

Niyati--reduces the all pervasiveness of Svatantra(Absolute Free Will) to

limitation in respect to space and cause.

This is brought about by the three Mala's of Maya Shakti:

Anava mala--Primal limiting condition which reduces universal counsciousness

to a Jiva (empirical experient).

mayiya Mala--Limitation due to Maya which gives to the soul its gross and

subtle body, and brings about a sense of difference.

Karma Mala--limitation due to karma(sense of doing good and bad--limited

experient)

It is actually very possible that this(experience) is symbolic of the

process of cancelation of these energies by their counterparts:

Kriya Shakti--Energy of action

Jnana Shakti--Energy of knowledge.

Iccha Shakti--Energy of will.

--All sentient beings possess the energy of kriya Shakti.

--By individual effort we come into realization of Jnana Shakti

--By Divine Grace only do we realize Iccha Shakti

I believe you have much grace in store for the future if you remain

ever vigilant.

Much Light

Marcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gloria Greco <lodpress

< >

Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:08 AM

Re: Meditation on the inner sound

 

>Gloria Greco <lodpress

>

>currwamp wrote:

>

>Hi Marcus,

> Thank you for the site, it is interesting. Yes, I know it is something

>that simply is natural for me. I've pretty much been brought up

>recognizing that my purpose was to assimilate both east and west. I seem

>to have as many eastern experiences with eastern dieties as I do those

>of Christian with Christ and Mother Mary.

> Just this last week I had a powerful experience where I was going

>through an ancient ritual which was the marriage of the ancient dieties,

>Divine Mother...who I knew as Manapura with the Divine Father, which was

>almost pronouced the same way but slightly different, Milapreda. Both

>where ancient. The Male diety was sitting in the classic posture with a

>large knot on the Crown Chakra. The women was beautiful and very old.

>The male was sitting in my crown area birthing in the womb of the Crown

>a male diety. I woke up in this midst of the experience and then went

>right back into it, Milapreda said we must wait for the perfect moment

>for the birth of the jewel from the Crown, who was actually a being

>manifest through the marriage. It was slightly behind the 7th center but

>related to the Knot at the Top of the Head and above. This was

>definitely a Tandra experience because my head was illuminated and hot

>with energy just pouring forth from the top of the head. It was more

>like an intiation then a dream.

> The next morning I picked up the Golden Flower and opened it up to the

>experience underway. What do you know of this? Gloria

>>

>> "currwamp" <currwamp

>>

>> Gloria,

>> I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

>> http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the non-duality of

>> Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the left,

>> then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by John

>> Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up after

you

>> have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

>> non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it. You

seem

>> to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and it

would

>> not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands of

years

>> of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in

contemplation

>> and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually

advance

>> without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will

elucidate

>> later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It is an

>> absolute pleasure to meet you.

>> Much Light

>> Marcus

>> p.s. I am on central standard time.

>>

>> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> < >

>> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

>> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>>

>> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >

>> >currwamp wrote:

>> >>

>> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

>> >>

>> >> Gloria,

>> >> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

>> >> Light

>> >> Marcus

>> >

>> >Gloria:

>> > My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

>> >immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you Marcus.I

>> >am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice to

>> >make the connection.

>> >

>> >>

>> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> < >

>> >> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

>> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

>> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>> >>

>> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >

>> >> >Gloria Greco shares:

>> >> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

>> >> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of

any

>> >> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and

the

>> >> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

>> >> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

>> >> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me

out

>> >> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when

it

>> >> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature

related

>> >> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

>> >> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and

sound,

>> >> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we are

>> >> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running

through

>> >> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is

also

>> >> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and

have

>> >> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests

in

>> >> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related

to

>> >> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

>> >> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

>> >> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked

does

>> >> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

>> >> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things,

nothing

>> >> >seems to exist or bother you.

>> >> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

>> >> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can

be

>> >> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

>> >> >

>> >> >laurence beyer wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >

>> >------

>> >To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription

>> >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

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>>

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>

>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

>Gloria Joy Greco

> e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>&

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

>Hope you enjoy them!

>

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currwamp wrote:

 

Hi Marcus,

Thank you for the site, it is interesting. Yes, I know it is something

that simply is natural for me. I've pretty much been brought up

recognizing that my purpose was to assimilate both east and west. I seem

to have as many eastern experiences with eastern dieties as I do those

of Christian with Christ and Mother Mary.

Just this last week I had a powerful experience where I was going

through an ancient ritual which was the marriage of the ancient dieties,

Divine Mother...who I knew as Manapura with the Divine Father, which was

almost pronouced the same way but slightly different, Milapreda. Both

where ancient. The Male diety was sitting in the classic posture with a

large knot on the Crown Chakra. The women was beautiful and very old.

The male was sitting in my crown area birthing in the womb of the Crown

a male diety. I woke up in this midst of the experience and then went

right back into it, Milapreda said we must wait for the perfect moment

for the birth of the jewel from the Crown, who was actually a being

manifest through the marriage. It was slightly behind the 7th center but

related to the Knot at the Top of the Head and above. This was

definitely a Tandra experience because my head was illuminated and hot

with energy just pouring forth from the top of the head. It was more

like an intiation then a dream.

The next morning I picked up the Golden Flower and opened it up to the

experience underway. What do you know of this? Gloria

>

> "currwamp" <currwamp

>

> Gloria,

> I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

> http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the non-duality of

> Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the left,

> then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by John

> Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up after you

> have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

> non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it. You seem

> to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and it would

> not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands of years

> of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in contemplation

> and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually advance

> without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will elucidate

> later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It is an

> absolute pleasure to meet you.

> Much Light

> Marcus

> p.s. I am on central standard time.

>

> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> < >

> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>

> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >

> >currwamp wrote:

> >>

> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

> >>

> >> Gloria,

> >> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

> >> Light

> >> Marcus

> >

> >Gloria:

> > My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

> >immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you Marcus.I

> >am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice to

> >make the connection.

> >

> >>

> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> < >

> >> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

> >>

> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >

> >> >Gloria Greco shares:

> >> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

> >> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of any

> >> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and the

> >> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

> >> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

> >> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me out

> >> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when it

> >> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature related

> >> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

> >> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and sound,

> >> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we are

> >> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running through

> >> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is also

> >> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and have

> >> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests in

> >> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related to

> >> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

> >> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

> >> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked does

> >> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

> >> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things, nothing

> >> >seems to exist or bother you.

> >> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

> >> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can be

> >> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

> >> >

> >> >laurence beyer wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >

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Gloria,

Interesting. Let me proffer you this. The three lower chakras belong to

Shakti--the Divine creative feminine aspect--the Divine Mother...The crown,

brow and throat chadras belong to Shiva--pure, undifferentiated

awareness--the male aspect that conceives of the universe. Shakti rises and

Shiva descends; they meet and merge in the human heart chakra--called

hyrdya, which literally means: heart; the central counsciousness which is

the substratum of all manifestation, citprakasa...Cit means the absolute;

foundational counsciousness; the consciousness that is the unchanging

principle of all changes...Prakasa means Light, the principle of

Self-revelation; consciousness; the principle by which every thing is known.

Light

Marcus

 

Gloria Greco <lodpress

< >

Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:15 PM

Re: Meditation on the inner sound

 

>Gloria Greco <lodpress

>

>Gemini wrote:

>>

>> "Gemini" <currwamp

>

>Gloria,

> Yes, it is a continuation of the union. It started in my early twenties

>with the awakening to Christ Consciousness through the third eye, with

>one word...Awake! This was through Jesus with the Crown of Thorns, the

>face was burned into my third eye, I thought my heart and head would

>burst with this one. And it has been ongoing since that time. I am now

>53. Just days after this initial command I was touched again on my third

>eye during an initiation from a master that put me in the hospital for

>ten days with a full kundalini explosion, this time it knocked me out

>through the crown chakra. That one was Saktipat, as was the other. Over

>the years I have had many such touches. In the past few years I have had

>the Eastern dieties as Divine Mother and Shiva as Divine Father. It is

>certainly grace all around. I have been shown a great deal as to why it

>has happened in this fashion. It is time.

>>

>> Gloria,

>> You may be dead on about the initiation or ritual aspect. The heat

on

>> the top of your head was most likely Saktipat--the descent of divine

shakti.

>> It doesn't literally descend, but rather manifests itself at the crown

then

>> downward. This could very well be the unfoldment, or unmesa of Divine

>> counciousness--the move toward unity. This is accompanied by the vimesa,

>> dissapearance of illusion of difference. The veil of Maya possesses five

>> kancucas or coverings:

>> Kala--Reduces the omnipotence of Shiva to the empirical individual.

>> Vidya--Reduces the omnicience of Shiva to limited knowledge.

>> Raga--reduces the fullness of Siva to desire for particular things.

>> Kala--reduces eternity to limitation in respect of time.

>> Niyati--reduces the all pervasiveness of Svatantra(Absolute Free Will) to

>> limitation in respect to space and cause.

>> This is brought about by the three Mala's of Maya Shakti:

>> Anava mala--Primal limiting condition which reduces universal

counsciousness

>> to a Jiva (empirical experient).

>> mayiya Mala--Limitation due to Maya which gives to the soul its gross and

>> subtle body, and brings about a sense of difference.

>> Karma Mala--limitation due to karma(sense of doing good and bad--limited

>> experient)

>> It is actually very possible that this(experience) is symbolic of

the

>> process of cancelation of these energies by their counterparts:

>> Kriya Shakti--Energy of action

>> Jnana Shakti--Energy of knowledge.

>> Iccha Shakti--Energy of will.

>> --All sentient beings possess the energy of kriya Shakti.

>> --By individual effort we come into realization of Jnana Shakti

>> --By Divine Grace only do we realize Iccha Shakti

>> I believe you have much grace in store for the future if you remain

>> ever vigilant.

>> Much Light

>> Marcus

>>

>>

>> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> < >

>> Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:08 AM

>> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>>

>> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >

>> >currwamp wrote:

>> >

>> >Hi Marcus,

>> > Thank you for the site, it is interesting. Yes, I know it is something

>> >that simply is natural for me. I've pretty much been brought up

>> >recognizing that my purpose was to assimilate both east and west. I seem

>> >to have as many eastern experiences with eastern dieties as I do those

>> >of Christian with Christ and Mother Mary.

>> > Just this last week I had a powerful experience where I was going

>> >through an ancient ritual which was the marriage of the ancient dieties,

>> >Divine Mother...who I knew as Manapura with the Divine Father, which was

>> >almost pronouced the same way but slightly different, Milapreda. Both

>> >where ancient. The Male diety was sitting in the classic posture with a

>> >large knot on the Crown Chakra. The women was beautiful and very old.

>> >The male was sitting in my crown area birthing in the womb of the Crown

>> >a male diety. I woke up in this midst of the experience and then went

>> >right back into it, Milapreda said we must wait for the perfect moment

>> >for the birth of the jewel from the Crown, who was actually a being

>> >manifest through the marriage. It was slightly behind the 7th center but

>> >related to the Knot at the Top of the Head and above. This was

>> >definitely a Tandra experience because my head was illuminated and hot

>> >with energy just pouring forth from the top of the head. It was more

>> >like an intiation then a dream.

>> > The next morning I picked up the Golden Flower and opened it up to the

>> >experience underway. What do you know of this? Gloria

>> >>

>> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

>> >>

>> >> Gloria,

>> >> I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

>> >> http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the non-duality

of

>> >> Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the

left,

>> >> then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by John

>> >> Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up

after

>> you

>> >> have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

>> >> non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it.

You

>> seem

>> >> to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and it

>> would

>> >> not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands of

>> years

>> >> of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in

>> contemplation

>> >> and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually

>> advance

>> >> without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will

>> elucidate

>> >> later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It is

an

>> >> absolute pleasure to meet you.

>> >> Much Light

>> >> Marcus

>> >> p.s. I am on central standard time.

>> >>

>> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> < >

>> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

>> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>> >>

>> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >

>> >> >currwamp wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Gloria,

>> >> >> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

>> >> >> Light

>> >> >> Marcus

>> >> >

>> >> >Gloria:

>> >> > My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

>> >> >immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you

Marcus.I

>> >> >am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice

to

>> >> >make the connection.

>> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >> < >

>> >> >> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

>> >> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

>> >> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Gloria Greco shares:

>> >> >> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

>> >> >> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of

>> any

>> >> >> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change

and

>> the

>> >> >> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my

right

>> >> >> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness

for

>> >> >> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes

me

>> out

>> >> >> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously,

when

>> it

>> >> >> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature

>> related

>> >> >> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

>> >> >> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and

>> sound,

>> >> >> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we

are

>> >> >> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running

>> through

>> >> >> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This

is

>> also

>> >> >> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live

and

>> have

>> >> >> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally

manifests

>> in

>> >> >> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly

related

>> to

>> >> >> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and

through.

>> >> >> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to

have

>> >> >> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she

asked

>> does

>> >> >> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can

understand

>> >> >> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things,

>> nothing

>> >> >> >seems to exist or bother you.

>> >> >> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the

heart

>> >> >> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you

can

>> be

>> >> >> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >laurence beyer wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >

>> >>

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>> >--

>> >

>> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

>> >Gloria Joy Greco

>> > e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>> >&

>> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

>> >Hope you enjoy them!

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>Gloria Joy Greco

> e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>&

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

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Gemini wrote:

>

> "Gemini" <currwamp

 

Gloria,

Yes, it is a continuation of the union. It started in my early twenties

with the awakening to Christ Consciousness through the third eye, with

one word...Awake! This was through Jesus with the Crown of Thorns, the

face was burned into my third eye, I thought my heart and head would

burst with this one. And it has been ongoing since that time. I am now

53. Just days after this initial command I was touched again on my third

eye during an initiation from a master that put me in the hospital for

ten days with a full kundalini explosion, this time it knocked me out

through the crown chakra. That one was Saktipat, as was the other. Over

the years I have had many such touches. In the past few years I have had

the Eastern dieties as Divine Mother and Shiva as Divine Father. It is

certainly grace all around. I have been shown a great deal as to why it

has happened in this fashion. It is time.

>

> Gloria,

> You may be dead on about the initiation or ritual aspect. The heat on

> the top of your head was most likely Saktipat--the descent of divine shakti.

> It doesn't literally descend, but rather manifests itself at the crown then

> downward. This could very well be the unfoldment, or unmesa of Divine

> counciousness--the move toward unity. This is accompanied by the vimesa,

> dissapearance of illusion of difference. The veil of Maya possesses five

> kancucas or coverings:

> Kala--Reduces the omnipotence of Shiva to the empirical individual.

> Vidya--Reduces the omnicience of Shiva to limited knowledge.

> Raga--reduces the fullness of Siva to desire for particular things.

> Kala--reduces eternity to limitation in respect of time.

> Niyati--reduces the all pervasiveness of Svatantra(Absolute Free Will) to

> limitation in respect to space and cause.

> This is brought about by the three Mala's of Maya Shakti:

> Anava mala--Primal limiting condition which reduces universal counsciousness

> to a Jiva (empirical experient).

> mayiya Mala--Limitation due to Maya which gives to the soul its gross and

> subtle body, and brings about a sense of difference.

> Karma Mala--limitation due to karma(sense of doing good and bad--limited

> experient)

> It is actually very possible that this(experience) is symbolic of the

> process of cancelation of these energies by their counterparts:

> Kriya Shakti--Energy of action

> Jnana Shakti--Energy of knowledge.

> Iccha Shakti--Energy of will.

> --All sentient beings possess the energy of kriya Shakti.

> --By individual effort we come into realization of Jnana Shakti

> --By Divine Grace only do we realize Iccha Shakti

> I believe you have much grace in store for the future if you remain

> ever vigilant.

> Much Light

> Marcus

>

>

> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> < >

> Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:08 AM

> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>

> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >

> >currwamp wrote:

> >

> >Hi Marcus,

> > Thank you for the site, it is interesting. Yes, I know it is something

> >that simply is natural for me. I've pretty much been brought up

> >recognizing that my purpose was to assimilate both east and west. I seem

> >to have as many eastern experiences with eastern dieties as I do those

> >of Christian with Christ and Mother Mary.

> > Just this last week I had a powerful experience where I was going

> >through an ancient ritual which was the marriage of the ancient dieties,

> >Divine Mother...who I knew as Manapura with the Divine Father, which was

> >almost pronouced the same way but slightly different, Milapreda. Both

> >where ancient. The Male diety was sitting in the classic posture with a

> >large knot on the Crown Chakra. The women was beautiful and very old.

> >The male was sitting in my crown area birthing in the womb of the Crown

> >a male diety. I woke up in this midst of the experience and then went

> >right back into it, Milapreda said we must wait for the perfect moment

> >for the birth of the jewel from the Crown, who was actually a being

> >manifest through the marriage. It was slightly behind the 7th center but

> >related to the Knot at the Top of the Head and above. This was

> >definitely a Tandra experience because my head was illuminated and hot

> >with energy just pouring forth from the top of the head. It was more

> >like an intiation then a dream.

> > The next morning I picked up the Golden Flower and opened it up to the

> >experience underway. What do you know of this? Gloria

> >>

> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

> >>

> >> Gloria,

> >> I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

> >> http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the non-duality of

> >> Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the left,

> >> then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by John

> >> Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up after

> you

> >> have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

> >> non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it. You

> seem

> >> to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and it

> would

> >> not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands of

> years

> >> of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in

> contemplation

> >> and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually

> advance

> >> without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will

> elucidate

> >> later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It is an

> >> absolute pleasure to meet you.

> >> Much Light

> >> Marcus

> >> p.s. I am on central standard time.

> >>

> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> < >

> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

> >>

> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >

> >> >currwamp wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

> >> >>

> >> >> Gloria,

> >> >> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

> >> >> Light

> >> >> Marcus

> >> >

> >> >Gloria:

> >> > My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

> >> >immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you Marcus.I

> >> >am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice to

> >> >make the connection.

> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >> < >

> >> >> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

> >> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

> >> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

> >> >>

> >> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Gloria Greco shares:

> >> >> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that manifest

> >> >> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from annoyance of

> any

> >> >> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change and

> the

> >> >> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my right

> >> >> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness for

> >> >> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes me

> out

> >> >> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously, when

> it

> >> >> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature

> related

> >> >> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

> >> >> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and

> sound,

> >> >> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality" we

are

> >> >> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running

> through

> >> >> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This is

> also

> >> >> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live and

> have

> >> >> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally manifests

> in

> >> >> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly related

> to

> >> >> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and through.

> >> >> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to have

> >> >> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she asked

> does

> >> >> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can understand

> >> >> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things,

> nothing

> >> >> >seems to exist or bother you.

> >> >> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the heart

> >> >> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the eyebrows you can

> be

> >> >> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >laurence beyer wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >

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> >Gloria Joy Greco

> > e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

> >&

> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

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Gemini wrote:

>

> "Gemini" <currwamp

 

Gloria:

Yes, I wrote about this in my second book on kundalini. This is how I

have described it the Holy Spirit comes down through the crown and meets

up with Kundalini rising from the three lower chakra, they meet in the

heart center which is the awakening to Christ Consciousness. This has

been my experience for many years, it is actually something I have

lived. This union now taking place has to do with the birth of the

Buddha consciousness which manifests as the jewel in the lotus and

actually extends consciousness to another level. My awareness tells me

that it relates to the chakra's above the head, in fact the three

chakra's above the head. Gloria

>

> Gloria,

> Interesting. Let me proffer you this. The three lower chakras belong to

> Shakti--the Divine creative feminine aspect--the Divine Mother...The crown,

> brow and throat chadras belong to Shiva--pure, undifferentiated

> awareness--the male aspect that conceives of the universe. Shakti rises and

> Shiva descends; they meet and merge in the human heart chakra--called

> hyrdya, which literally means: heart; the central counsciousness which is

> the substratum of all manifestation, citprakasa...Cit means the absolute;

> foundational counsciousness; the consciousness that is the unchanging

> principle of all changes...Prakasa means Light, the principle of

> Self-revelation; consciousness; the principle by which every thing is known.

> Light

> Marcus

>

> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> < >

> Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:15 PM

> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>

> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >

> >Gemini wrote:

> >>

> >> "Gemini" <currwamp

> >

> >Gloria,

> > Yes, it is a continuation of the union. It started in my early twenties

> >with the awakening to Christ Consciousness through the third eye, with

> >one word...Awake! This was through Jesus with the Crown of Thorns, the

> >face was burned into my third eye, I thought my heart and head would

> >burst with this one. And it has been ongoing since that time. I am now

> >53. Just days after this initial command I was touched again on my third

> >eye during an initiation from a master that put me in the hospital for

> >ten days with a full kundalini explosion, this time it knocked me out

> >through the crown chakra. That one was Saktipat, as was the other. Over

> >the years I have had many such touches. In the past few years I have had

> >the Eastern dieties as Divine Mother and Shiva as Divine Father. It is

> >certainly grace all around. I have been shown a great deal as to why it

> >has happened in this fashion. It is time.

> >>

> >> Gloria,

> >> You may be dead on about the initiation or ritual aspect. The heat

> on

> >> the top of your head was most likely Saktipat--the descent of divine

> shakti.

> >> It doesn't literally descend, but rather manifests itself at the crown

> then

> >> downward. This could very well be the unfoldment, or unmesa of Divine

> >> counciousness--the move toward unity. This is accompanied by the vimesa,

> >> dissapearance of illusion of difference. The veil of Maya possesses five

> >> kancucas or coverings:

> >> Kala--Reduces the omnipotence of Shiva to the empirical individual.

> >> Vidya--Reduces the omnicience of Shiva to limited knowledge.

> >> Raga--reduces the fullness of Siva to desire for particular things.

> >> Kala--reduces eternity to limitation in respect of time.

> >> Niyati--reduces the all pervasiveness of Svatantra(Absolute Free Will) to

> >> limitation in respect to space and cause.

> >> This is brought about by the three Mala's of Maya Shakti:

> >> Anava mala--Primal limiting condition which reduces universal

> counsciousness

> >> to a Jiva (empirical experient).

> >> mayiya Mala--Limitation due to Maya which gives to the soul its gross and

> >> subtle body, and brings about a sense of difference.

> >> Karma Mala--limitation due to karma(sense of doing good and bad--limited

> >> experient)

> >> It is actually very possible that this(experience) is symbolic of

> the

> >> process of cancelation of these energies by their counterparts:

> >> Kriya Shakti--Energy of action

> >> Jnana Shakti--Energy of knowledge.

> >> Iccha Shakti--Energy of will.

> >> --All sentient beings possess the energy of kriya Shakti.

> >> --By individual effort we come into realization of Jnana Shakti

> >> --By Divine Grace only do we realize Iccha Shakti

> >> I believe you have much grace in store for the future if you remain

> >> ever vigilant.

> >> Much Light

> >> Marcus

> >>

> >>

> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> < >

> >> Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:08 AM

> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

> >>

> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >

> >> >currwamp wrote:

> >> >

> >> >Hi Marcus,

> >> > Thank you for the site, it is interesting. Yes, I know it is something

> >> >that simply is natural for me. I've pretty much been brought up

> >> >recognizing that my purpose was to assimilate both east and west. I seem

> >> >to have as many eastern experiences with eastern dieties as I do those

> >> >of Christian with Christ and Mother Mary.

> >> > Just this last week I had a powerful experience where I was going

> >> >through an ancient ritual which was the marriage of the ancient dieties,

> >> >Divine Mother...who I knew as Manapura with the Divine Father, which was

> >> >almost pronouced the same way but slightly different, Milapreda. Both

> >> >where ancient. The Male diety was sitting in the classic posture with a

> >> >large knot on the Crown Chakra. The women was beautiful and very old.

> >> >The male was sitting in my crown area birthing in the womb of the Crown

> >> >a male diety. I woke up in this midst of the experience and then went

> >> >right back into it, Milapreda said we must wait for the perfect moment

> >> >for the birth of the jewel from the Crown, who was actually a being

> >> >manifest through the marriage. It was slightly behind the 7th center but

> >> >related to the Knot at the Top of the Head and above. This was

> >> >definitely a Tandra experience because my head was illuminated and hot

> >> >with energy just pouring forth from the top of the head. It was more

> >> >like an intiation then a dream.

> >> > The next morning I picked up the Golden Flower and opened it up to the

> >> >experience underway. What do you know of this? Gloria

> >> >>

> >> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

> >> >>

> >> >> Gloria,

> >> >> I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

> >> >> http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the non-duality

> of

> >> >> Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the

> left,

> >> >> then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by John

> >> >> Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up

> after

> >> you

> >> >> have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

> >> >> non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it.

> You

> >> seem

> >> >> to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and it

> >> would

> >> >> not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands of

> >> years

> >> >> of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in

> >> contemplation

> >> >> and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually

> >> advance

> >> >> without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will

> >> elucidate

> >> >> later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It is

> an

> >> >> absolute pleasure to meet you.

> >> >> Much Light

> >> >> Marcus

> >> >> p.s. I am on central standard time.

> >> >>

> >> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >> < >

> >> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

> >> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

> >> >>

> >> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >> >

> >> >> >currwamp wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Gloria,

> >> >> >> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

> >> >> >> Light

> >> >> >> Marcus

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Gloria:

> >> >> > My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

> >> >> >immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you

> Marcus.I

> >> >> >am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is nice

> to

> >> >> >make the connection.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >> >> < >

> >> >> >> Cc: heartzen <heartzen

> >> >> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

> >> >> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Gloria Greco shares:

> >> >> >> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that

manifest

> >> >> >> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from

annoyance of

> >> any

> >> >> >> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency change

> and

> >> the

> >> >> >> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound in my

> right

> >> >> >> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of awareness

> for

> >> >> >> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much takes

> me

> >> out

> >> >> >> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time obviously,

> when

> >> it

> >> >> >> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in nature

> >> related

> >> >> >> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

> >> >> >> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is light and

> >> sound,

> >> >> >> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality"

we are

> >> >> >> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is running

> >> through

> >> >> >> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life. This

> is

> >> also

> >> >> >> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move and live

> and

> >> have

> >> >> >> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally

> manifests

> >> in

> >> >> >> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly

> related

> >> to

> >> >> >> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and

> through.

> >> >> >> > One of the people I have worked with for years is beginning to

> have

> >> >> >> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye, she

> asked

> >> does

> >> >> >> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can

> understand

> >> >> >> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about things,

> >> nothing

> >> >> >> >seems to exist or bother you.

> >> >> >> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When the

> heart

> >> >> >> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the

eyebrows you

> can

> >> be

> >> >> >> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child home.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >laurence beyer wrote:

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >------

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> >> >> >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and

> >> >> >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >>

> >> ------

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> >> >> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

> >> >

> >> >--

> >> >

> >> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

> >> >Gloria Joy Greco

> >> > e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

> >> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

> >> >&

> >> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

> >> >Hope you enjoy them!

> >> >

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> >> >

> >>

> >> ------

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> >> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

> >

> >--

> >

> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

> >Gloria Joy Greco

> > e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

> >&

> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

> >Hope you enjoy them!

> >

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Gloria,

Our words are different, but the beauty is the same...you are right on

in what is going on...tell me, was the writing of the books exhausting, or

exhilarating, or both?

Love and Light

Marcus

 

Gloria Greco <lodpress

< >

Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:08 AM

Re: Meditation on the inner sound

 

>Gloria Greco <lodpress

>

>Gemini wrote:

>>

>> "Gemini" <currwamp

>

>Gloria:

> Yes, I wrote about this in my second book on kundalini. This is how I

>have described it the Holy Spirit comes down through the crown and meets

>up with Kundalini rising from the three lower chakra, they meet in the

>heart center which is the awakening to Christ Consciousness. This has

>been my experience for many years, it is actually something I have

>lived. This union now taking place has to do with the birth of the

>Buddha consciousness which manifests as the jewel in the lotus and

>actually extends consciousness to another level. My awareness tells me

>that it relates to the chakra's above the head, in fact the three

>chakra's above the head. Gloria

>>

>> Gloria,

>> Interesting. Let me proffer you this. The three lower chakras belong

to

>> Shakti--the Divine creative feminine aspect--the Divine Mother...The

crown,

>> brow and throat chadras belong to Shiva--pure, undifferentiated

>> awareness--the male aspect that conceives of the universe. Shakti rises

and

>> Shiva descends; they meet and merge in the human heart chakra--called

>> hyrdya, which literally means: heart; the central counsciousness which is

>> the substratum of all manifestation, citprakasa...Cit means the absolute;

>> foundational counsciousness; the consciousness that is the unchanging

>> principle of all changes...Prakasa means Light, the principle of

>> Self-revelation; consciousness; the principle by which every thing is

known.

>> Light

>> Marcus

>>

>> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> < >

>> Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:15 PM

>> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>>

>> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >

>> >Gemini wrote:

>> >>

>> >> "Gemini" <currwamp

>> >

>> >Gloria,

>> > Yes, it is a continuation of the union. It started in my early twenties

>> >with the awakening to Christ Consciousness through the third eye, with

>> >one word...Awake! This was through Jesus with the Crown of Thorns, the

>> >face was burned into my third eye, I thought my heart and head would

>> >burst with this one. And it has been ongoing since that time. I am now

>> >53. Just days after this initial command I was touched again on my third

>> >eye during an initiation from a master that put me in the hospital for

>> >ten days with a full kundalini explosion, this time it knocked me out

>> >through the crown chakra. That one was Saktipat, as was the other. Over

>> >the years I have had many such touches. In the past few years I have had

>> >the Eastern dieties as Divine Mother and Shiva as Divine Father. It is

>> >certainly grace all around. I have been shown a great deal as to why it

>> >has happened in this fashion. It is time.

>> >>

>> >> Gloria,

>> >> You may be dead on about the initiation or ritual aspect. The

heat

>> on

>> >> the top of your head was most likely Saktipat--the descent of divine

>> shakti.

>> >> It doesn't literally descend, but rather manifests itself at the crown

>> then

>> >> downward. This could very well be the unfoldment, or unmesa of Divine

>> >> counciousness--the move toward unity. This is accompanied by the

vimesa,

>> >> dissapearance of illusion of difference. The veil of Maya possesses

five

>> >> kancucas or coverings:

>> >> Kala--Reduces the omnipotence of Shiva to the empirical individual.

>> >> Vidya--Reduces the omnicience of Shiva to limited knowledge.

>> >> Raga--reduces the fullness of Siva to desire for particular things.

>> >> Kala--reduces eternity to limitation in respect of time.

>> >> Niyati--reduces the all pervasiveness of Svatantra(Absolute Free Will)

to

>> >> limitation in respect to space and cause.

>> >> This is brought about by the three Mala's of Maya Shakti:

>> >> Anava mala--Primal limiting condition which reduces universal

>> counsciousness

>> >> to a Jiva (empirical experient).

>> >> mayiya Mala--Limitation due to Maya which gives to the soul its gross

and

>> >> subtle body, and brings about a sense of difference.

>> >> Karma Mala--limitation due to karma(sense of doing good and

bad--limited

>> >> experient)

>> >> It is actually very possible that this(experience) is symbolic of

>> the

>> >> process of cancelation of these energies by their counterparts:

>> >> Kriya Shakti--Energy of action

>> >> Jnana Shakti--Energy of knowledge.

>> >> Iccha Shakti--Energy of will.

>> >> --All sentient beings possess the energy of kriya Shakti.

>> >> --By individual effort we come into realization of Jnana Shakti

>> >> --By Divine Grace only do we realize Iccha Shakti

>> >> I believe you have much grace in store for the future if you

remain

>> >> ever vigilant.

>> >> Much Light

>> >> Marcus

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> < >

>> >> Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:08 AM

>> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>> >>

>> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >

>> >> >currwamp wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >Hi Marcus,

>> >> > Thank you for the site, it is interesting. Yes, I know it is

something

>> >> >that simply is natural for me. I've pretty much been brought up

>> >> >recognizing that my purpose was to assimilate both east and west. I

seem

>> >> >to have as many eastern experiences with eastern dieties as I do

those

>> >> >of Christian with Christ and Mother Mary.

>> >> > Just this last week I had a powerful experience where I was going

>> >> >through an ancient ritual which was the marriage of the ancient

dieties,

>> >> >Divine Mother...who I knew as Manapura with the Divine Father, which

was

>> >> >almost pronouced the same way but slightly different, Milapreda. Both

>> >> >where ancient. The Male diety was sitting in the classic posture with

a

>> >> >large knot on the Crown Chakra. The women was beautiful and very old.

>> >> >The male was sitting in my crown area birthing in the womb of the

Crown

>> >> >a male diety. I woke up in this midst of the experience and then went

>> >> >right back into it, Milapreda said we must wait for the perfect

moment

>> >> >for the birth of the jewel from the Crown, who was actually a being

>> >> >manifest through the marriage. It was slightly behind the 7th center

but

>> >> >related to the Knot at the Top of the Head and above. This was

>> >> >definitely a Tandra experience because my head was illuminated and

hot

>> >> >with energy just pouring forth from the top of the head. It was more

>> >> >like an intiation then a dream.

>> >> > The next morning I picked up the Golden Flower and opened it up to

the

>> >> >experience underway. What do you know of this? Gloria

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Gloria,

>> >> >> I have an interestin site for you. Check this out

>> >> >> http://www.ksf.org/home.htm It is an introduction to the

non-duality

>> of

>> >> >> Kashmir Shaivism. Once you get there, click on introduction on the

>> left,

>> >> >> then scroll down and read 'Moksha and its Means of Attainment' by

John

>> >> >> Hughes, a student of Swami Laksmanjoo's until his death. Scroll up

>> after

>> >> you

>> >> >> have read this and download Swami Laksman Joo's pdf file. This is

>> >> >> non-dualistic philosophy at its best...I believe you will enjoy it.

>> You

>> >> seem

>> >> >> to be one of the rarefied people that are intuitive to Grace, and

it

>> >> would

>> >> >> not suprise me at all if your essence has had hundreds of thousands

of

>> >> years

>> >> >> of experience. It is common for people with a rich history in

>> >> contemplation

>> >> >> and devotion to have spontaneous awakenings, or to be spirirtually

>> >> advance

>> >> >> without knowing the technical terms. This is interesting, I will

>> >> elucidate

>> >> >> later. Read this and let me know(if I am not being to forward). It

is

>> an

>> >> >> absolute pleasure to meet you.

>> >> >> Much Light

>> >> >> Marcus

>> >> >> p.s. I am on central standard time.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >> < >

>> >> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:51 AM

>> >> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >currwamp wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> "currwamp" <currwamp

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Gloria,

>> >> >> >> A wonderful description of the Spanda principle.

>> >> >> >> Light

>> >> >> >> Marcus

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Gloria:

>> >> >> > My goodness, talk about clicking it out and having it returned

>> >> >> >immediately. You must be on at the same time. Nice to meet you

>> Marcus.I

>> >> >> >am not all that familiar with some of the eastern terms so it is

nice

>> to

>> >> >> >make the connection.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >> >>

< >

>> >> >> >> Cc: heartzen

<heartzen

>> >> >> >> Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:12 AM

>> >> >> >> Re: Meditation on the inner sound

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >Gloria Greco <lodpress

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >Gloria Greco shares:

>> >> >> >> > A lot of people have asked about the ongoing sounds that

manifest

>> >> >> >> >during awakening. One must become quite detached from

annoyance

of

>> >> any

>> >> >> >> >kind since we naturally become more attuned to frequency

change

>> and

>> >> the

>> >> >> >> >creative sound. I have for years heard the creative sound

in my

>> right

>> >> >> >> >ear 24 hours a day. It is never gone, it is a state of

awareness

>> for

>> >> >> >> >sure, when the sound moves into my left ear it pretty much

takes

>> me

>> >> out

>> >> >> >> >of my body. This sound is not with me all of the time

obviously,

>> when

>> >> it

>> >> >> >> >comes however, it is always for purpose and specific in

nature

>> >> related

>> >> >> >> >to moving consciousness from one focus to another.

>> >> >> >> > This is a natural part of the union with God. God is

light and

>> >> sound,

>> >> >> >> >as we lose that connection to the "I, me, mine mentality"

we

are

>> >> >> >> >suddenly made very aware of the current of life which is

running

>> >> through

>> >> >> >> >us and is essentially the universal sound maintaining life.

This

>> is

>> >> also

>> >> >> >> >the high frequency sound of divine will, in it we move

and live

>> and

>> >> have

>> >> >> >> >our being. As one puts God first in all things it literally

>> manifests

>> >> in

>> >> >> >> >us and through us, the no thought state of mind is directly

>> related

>> >> to

>> >> >> >> >this constant manifestation of consciousness flowing in and

>> through.

>> >> >> >> > One of the people I have worked with for years is

beginning to

>> have

>> >> >> >> >experience in the minior soma center above the third eye,

she

>> asked

>> >> does

>> >> >> >> >this feel like this or that. The next thing she said I can

>> understand

>> >> >> >> >what you have been saying, in this you can't think about

things,

>> >> nothing

>> >> >> >> >seems to exist or bother you.

>> >> >> >> > This is true, the centers of union are in the head. When

the

>> heart

>> >> >> >> >center has moved into the heavenly heart between the

eyebrows

you

>> can

>> >> be

>> >> >> >> >certain God has taken the major step to take his/her child

home.

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >laurence beyer wrote:

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> laurence beyer <larbeyer9

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >>

>> >------

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subscription

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>> >> >> >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left.

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>> >> >>

>> >>

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>> >> >

>> >> >--

>> >> >

>> >> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

>> >> >Gloria Joy Greco

>> >> > e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>> >> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>> >> >&

>> >> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

>> >> >Hope you enjoy them!

>> >> >

>> >>

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>> >

>> >--

>> >

>> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

>> >Gloria Joy Greco

>> > e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>> >http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>> >&

>> >http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

>> >Hope you enjoy them!

>> >

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>

>--

>

>Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.

>Gloria Joy Greco

> e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at:

>http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/

>&

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/

>Hope you enjoy them!

>

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Gemini wrote:

>

> "Gemini" <currwamp

>

> Gloria,

> Our words are different, but the beauty is the same...you are right on

> in what is going on...tell me, was the writing of the books exhausting, or

> exhilarating, or both?

> Love and Light

> Marcus

 

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Agreed. Words can't define the essence, but spirit can. The books have

not been difficult at all, just going with the flow in the moment. When

I write it is because it is in the flow and there is no effort

whatsoever.

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