Guest guest Report post Posted February 4, 1999 Harsha List, here is the second forwarded post. Gemini [currwamp] Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:57 PM Shaivism [shaivism] Re: Sutras: Dos "Gemini" <currwamp Madhya, Ha! Good to see a little levity in the middle of some heavy understandings...the simplistic innocence(not naivete)of a child and a sense of humor are two of the greatest attributes of humans...you touched home on some important issues that do indeedy affect the mainstream of seekers, and all of us at one time or another. The road traveled to understand that emotions, intellect, ego, and finite brain activity are merely structures, not the immutable Self, is a bumpy(probably hilly) one at best. It takes courage indeed to realize that true realization is not something to experience, but is actually the only non-experience that will ever be...by experiencing nothing, Self is found. What the hell is old Marcus talking about some may ask? Well step right up, take three tries at understanding for a quarter. If you win here's a cupie doll. The first thing that has to be done in order to learn what your true nature is, is to learn what your true nature is not, that is, what is simply a structure or construct to operate in the world, and what isn't. Fistly, since we know what we do have--senses, emotions, intellect, ego, finite mind--we must still these in order to find out what is left. This is simple, not to be confused with easy...one must first learn the dicipline of the thoughtless state, i.e. sitting for prolonged periods (15-60minutes) without the endless mind-chatter of jumbled, non-connected thoughts. This can be accomplished by learning to focus attention, not thinking, but attention, on a singular object or thought. For me it was focusing on the Shabda, or inner sound...once this has been mastered, and by the time it has been, one will already sense "something else", then the experient can learn to sit in stillness, without the aid of focused awareness...this is complete mind stillnes. the mind, and all of its constructs are completely still...what is found in the individual is what I have found, what Martin has found, and what Madhya has found...this is where we(humans) are all the same. What is found is absolutely nothing--no senses, no emotions, no intellect, no ego, no mind with its associated thoughts...no point of referance, no time, no space, no thoughts, no elation....only pure, undifferentiated awareness...absolute bliss(not the emotional bliss of the finite experient, but rather the universal bliss of Spanda, the action of divine will). This is unmesa--the realization of divine unity in Self, and simultaneously nimesa--dissolution of maya and of diversity in the objective world...this meditative state is known as Samadhi...it is the unspeakable, because it must be experienced, and not told of...I must point out that if the individual experient feels elation or awe during this experience, then by this very statement it is not Samadhi...for the mind is at play...only upon coming out from under the meditative state can one say "that was the unbelievable experience". Even memory cannot properly put this into perspective though, because this would imply a thinking state during the experience...it is more appropriate to state that the individual experient brings back "residual awareness" of samadhi...this is why it is called the only non-experience...there is nothing active of the mind during this state of pure undifferentiated awareness. As one goes deeper into samadhi, one realizes that that the divine nature, or divine Self is unceasingly active--not just a void--this is spanda, the divine creative pulsation...so it is, that one must let go, must cease all activity, to find true Self. True Self is the backdrop--the omniscient, all pervading source of everything...it is then that the experient realizes that all thought states, be it waking, dreaming, deep sleep, whatever--are all of this never changing Self...the experient begins to see that all things are only Shakti--Siva's creative, dynamic aspect--and that there is only Siva--nothing else. In Truth Marcus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
