Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2006 , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda Self-realization is the process of identifying (attaching to) our true nature, and therby discarding (detaching from) our false identification (s). Will there be a final answer from Swamiji? . Jai Ma! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2006 If it can be described in words it could only be "neti neti". How can one describe something endless and infinite? Pranams, Surya - Nanda Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:34 PM Swamiji asks a question .... Dear friends, Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... "Can you define Self-Realization?" JAI SWAMIJI Nanda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2006 My understanding is that Self-realization is God-realization. When the little i falls away and we recognize the big I that is in fact one with God and all creation. It is that state of experiential understanding of the truth of Oneness, not just intellectual understanding. Om,Sadhumaa , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2006 namaste dear friends, self-realization is the sure knowledge, that I am nothing and God is everything ! may the Devi bless and protect you all with pranams srikutir Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2006 To Love. JAI SWAMIJI, Henny , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2006 Swamiji Thank you for asking. Begging your tolerane to read a long answer. As spiritual warriors we pierce the ever-moving heart and mind directly. Our word-arrows must be true. They are not a shield to hide behind. We are naked. Realization is our arrow of truth to engage this never-ending battle you referred to. The arrow is the same one you use to mark the sand and say "what then, is beyond this line?" As a young man I walked across a long field on a narrow road. "How is it I appear here as a being with 2 legs, standing here? Existence in this way seems impossible, yet I appear to experience being here." Later, after he studies a bit, he has the destination of North, and now all readings on his compass point away from where he actually is. He can't go anywhere. He did set out to the pole, he is not wandering around on the equator. Is realization the effort, or the grace? The biggest fiasco in spiritual life is the concept of a permanent state of realization. We fall asleep at the wheel again, we lay down our arms. We forget it is a constant battle and think we won, or thought we were on vacation. Nothing works, over and over again, nothing is true. Perhaps our own desire, that which seemed ar first to be untrue, is what is true. I have an idea, or read something about realization. Some guru says he knows what it is. The mind then, projects this concept into the complete unknown. Like the mars probe, we have to wait for an answer. I cannot define it, despite a lifetime of contemplation and study. I can talk about it, but cannot reach into the mind of anyone and pull it out, like mining a gem in the sand. This self-limitation, this constant relativity, this cannot be the end, we think. A-U-M. Realization and Suffering weave in and out like some infinite cloth. Pranams. steve , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2006 Swamiji/Mataji, in my humble opinion; Self Realization: Towards [self-actualizing] in the spiritual life personality comes to a point to realize that the, "I" in lesser ego as self comes to fruition in and with the action of the greater "Self". After realizing this Self, the lesser ego in affect dies to this Self (Atman), and subsequently becomes the play, the drama, in that the I in "Self" Realizes that the celestial life is the projection of never ending state of Pure Intelligence as Self witnessing Self in all things. Therefore, in the spontaneity of soul interaction, the Higher nature then simply unfolds its true identity in the life course. And what the little (self), having the opportunity to "Actualize" into the purity of true soul and as witness of (Atman) the lesser self identity comes to Realize its true nature. The Self is Realized as it recognizes and becomes aware of Self in all things, as Sat Chit Ananda; Truth, Intelligence and Bliss Absolute. Edward - Kala Chandra Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:59 PM Re: Swamiji asks a question .... Jai Swamiji! I think Self Realization is: I to know always, every time, I am That, I am all being and all being is I.Nanda <chandimaakijai > escreveu: Dear friends, Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... "Can you define Self-Realization?" JAI SWAMIJI Nanda __ Messenger com voz - Instale agora e faça ligações de graça. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2006 spiritual warriors we pierce the ever-moving heart and minddirectly. Our word-arrows must be true. They are not a shield to hidebehind. We are naked.Realization is our arrow of truth to engage this never-ending battleyou referred to. The arrow is the same one you use to mark the sandand say "what then, is beyond this line?"As a young man I walked across a long field on a narrow road. "How isit I appear here as a being with 2 legs, standing here? Existence inthis way seems impossible, yet I appear to experience being here."Later, after he studies a bit, he has the destination of North, andnow all readings on his compass point away from where he actuallyis. He can't go anywhere. He did set out to the pole, he is notwandering around on the equator. Is realization the effort, or the grace?The biggest fiasco in spiritual life is the concept of a permanentstate of realization. We fall asleep at the wheel again, we laydown our arms. We forget it is a constant battle and think we won, orthought we were on vacation.Nothing works, over and over again, nothing is true. Perhaps our owndesire, that which seemed ar first to be untrue, is what is true.I have an idea, or read something about realization. Some guru says heknows what it is. The mind then, projects this concept into thecomplete unknown. Like the mars probe, we have to wait for an answer.I cannot define it, despite a lifetime of contemplation and study. Ican talk about it, but cannot reach into the mind of anyone and pullit out, like mining a gem in the sand.This self-limitation, this constant relativity, this cannot be theend, we think. A-U-M. Realization and Suffering weave in and out likesome infinite cloth.Pranams.steve, Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote:>> Dear friends,> Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive andwell-reasoned responses ...> > "Can you define Self-Realization?"> > JAI SWAMIJI> Nanda> Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2006 Swamiji: No, I cannot define self-realization. Definitions are mind-stuff used to bolster our ego. Otherwise, at best; definitions may serve as guideposts in giving directions. dan , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 13, 2006 Beloved Swamiji, Pranams. I do not think that self-realization can really be defined but they are a few songs sung by Beloved ShreeMaa, which to me give a very good idea of that reality. Songs like - I am That (not This not That) , Krishna's flute , My Lord and Divine Mother of Bliss. Thanks for this opportunity Swamiji. Pranams , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 14, 2006 I agree with my sister Kaliananda that it cannot be defined. I was just recently speaking to another sister about "absolute ideas" that are shot down the minute we have them. What I mean is that we so often try to hold on to an idea of what something is or what "right" is and when we do we have deformed it with our little minds. Gauri , "kaliananda_saraswati" <kaliananda_saraswati wrote: > > > Beloved Swamiji, > > Pranams. > > I do not think that self-realization can really be defined but they > are a few songs sung by Beloved ShreeMaa, which to me give a very > good idea of that reality. Songs like - I am That (not This not > That) , Krishna's flute , My Lord and Divine Mother of Bliss. > > Thanks for this opportunity Swamiji. > > Pranams > > > , Nanda <chandimaakijai@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and > well-reasoned responses ... > > > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > > > JAI SWAMIJI > > Nanda > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 14, 2006 Gauri if they get shot down the minute you have them, you are doing pretty good! pity the disciplined fool who holds on to them for year after year. steve , "gabilu27" <gabilu27 wrote: > > I agree with my sister Kaliananda that it cannot be defined. I was > just recently speaking to another sister about "absolute ideas" that > are shot down the minute we have them. What I mean is that we so > often try to hold on to an idea of what something is or what "right" > is and when we do we have deformed it with our little minds. > > Gauri > > , "kaliananda_saraswati" > <kaliananda_saraswati@> wrote: > > > > > > Beloved Swamiji, > > > > Pranams. > > > > I do not think that self-realization can really be defined but > they > > are a few songs sung by Beloved ShreeMaa, which to me give a very > > good idea of that reality. Songs like - I am That (not This not > > That) , Krishna's flute , My Lord and Divine Mother of Bliss. > > > > Thanks for this opportunity Swamiji. > > > > Pranams > > > > > > , Nanda <chandimaakijai@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive > and > > well-reasoned responses ... > > > > > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > > > > > JAI SWAMIJI > > > Nanda > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2006 Revered Maharaj, To define Self realization, I would turn to Sri Ramakrishna, who, quoting from a song, sang, "When shall I be free? When 'I' shall cease to be". To me, it is the naked Truth---Digambara---left standing eternally when all of the all-to-human has been stripped away. With eternal pranams, Tanmaya , Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2006 Self-Realization?" JAI SWAMIJI Nanda MailUse Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2006 "Can you define Self-Realization?" Jai Maa, beloved Swamiji and all, i have struggled and struggled to begin to answer this question...but everytime i start to type, i freeze. But here is a very feeble attempt: "Self" Realization is waking up..to be completely dissolved in the Unity of Wisdom..."Isness"..Pure Consciousness. This description is still very weak, i know, and is but a mere reflection at best. i love the story Thakur Ramakrishna tells about the "Salt Doll" who went to measure the depth of the Ocean. Who was there left to describe the experience? :<) i bow to those who are Realized and those who are striving to realize. Your sister slowly dissolving, muktimaa , Nirmalananda Saraswati <nirmalananda1008 wrote: > > Dear Swami Ji, > > I cannot. > It is the goal which I hope to attain. I think this is the goal of the ENTIRE path. Self Realization is the priceless jewel, rare and difficult to find. May all of us, your devotees and diciples, find it! > > Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > Dear friends, > Here is a question from Swamiji... Please post your intuitive and well-reasoned responses ... > > "Can you define Self-Realization?" > > JAI SWAMIJI > Nanda > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 16, 2006 > "Can you define Self-Realization?" Namaste' Swamiji... I believe Self-Realization to be when the illusion of separation dissolves and One is all there is. OM Shanti Morningsong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 9:13:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, zyyyillions writes: self-realization is our true nature, it's the simplest of the simplest, we just have to wake up to it... Namaste Swamiji, It is a simple expression and not the ramified nature that we experience. Om Namah Sivaya Love Kanda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
