Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 Dear All, Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and wanted to share with you... How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings around you with detachment ? Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? Thank you for your time Jai Maa Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 what is the right answer to this question? it is so easy, isn't it, to make some sort of superficial anser. or some other response that doesn't rise to the code of the sadhu. we have only the words of the gurus, lathaji: hold to the hem of her dress, and as she rises so will you. om! pranams! namaste! thou art that! and! as she descends, if it is at her will, so shall we! here is my faith: as you work and work and steadily work at your sadhana, detachment will come. the very principles you hold dear, consistent practice, seva, and respect for your gurus, sangha, and all others, virtually guarantees your success. we can ask "when?" but that is up to Her; we also ask, "how?" and are given these works ... and, as we watch these oceans rise and fall within her, surely, detachment will come. s , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and > wanted to share with you... > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > around you with detachment ? > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > Thank you for your time > Jai Maa > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2004 Report Share Posted August 24, 2004 I see detachment as a byproduce of protracted yogic practice. What we do over many years brings new qualities to our approach to things. , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and > wanted to share with you... > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > around you with detachment ? > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > Thank you for your time > Jai Maa > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > How does one get detached ? Detachment is from something. In this case, we are talking of detachment from material objects. The only way to detach from material world is to 'attach' oneself deeply to God (or Guru or both, whatever suits you). (Later you may outgrow that attachment too, but that is your first baby step...). > How does one view all the happenings around you with detachment ? Just as a man burning with fever has no taste while taking regular feed, or a lover pining for her boyfriend is oblivious of her sorroundings or people and focussing her mind only on her boyfriend, such is the view of a detached person vis-a-vis the external world. These simple but powerful metaphors are from Amma (paraphrased). Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Dear Latha, Others who have commented bring up the same point... that vairagya, non-attachment, comes with steady practice over time. In the Atha Kilakam Lord Siva tells us that by chanting consistently one comes to that place of "indifference to each and every object of existence." And He says that "there is no mantra, no medicine, nor anything else known by which indifference to all can be attained without repeated application." [Verses 2, 3, 4] And in his Yoga Sutras Patanjali Maharishi in The Portion on Contemplation (Book I) explains that We must steady the mental modifications that ditort our perception of out true Self, that means to do this is 2-fold: practice and non-attachment. He describes practice as any effort to steady the mind, and says that to become well established it must be attended to for a long, without any break and with heart-felt attention. [book I: vs 2,3,4,12,13,14] When he next speaks of non- attachment in verses 15 & 16, he does so in these terms: "The consciousness of self-mastery in one who is free from craving for objects seen or heard about is non-attachment. When there is non- thirst for even the gunas (the constituents of Nature) due to realization of the Purusha, the True Self, that is supreme non- attachment. So we have the issue, the struggle of self-mastery. Swamiji is always telling us that at some point it comes to that place where the Ego must be defeated, Self-conceit must surrender to the Mother. Like babies we cry out for our mamma to help us - and she does. Don't ever quit. Eventually the efforts are simply Her doing and we are free. All this to say that we need to keep at it. Stick to your practice and Maa will, step by step, take you all the way. Jai Maa. jayadeva , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and > wanted to share with you... > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > around you with detachment ? > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > Thank you for your time > Jai Maa > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 In a message dated 8/24/04 8:24:59 PM Mountain Daylight Time, lathananda writes: How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings around you with detachment ? Namaste All, It is where one (as an individual) is viewing from. This morning with a fresh cup of coffee and a basket to collect ripe tomatos from the family garden before watering the garden, a spontaneous thought to greet everything out loud with Om! Namah Sivaya (Oh! Your Name Is Siva as if surprised) came to me. Well greeting everything (plants, tomatos, trees, birds, lizards) as Siva is quite joyous. At one point during the watering a large bumble bee bumped my cheek, and in the suprise of the moment for both of us I said Oh! Your Name Is Siva and the bumble bee flew off looking for another sunflower. Shortly after that I saw a Swami in my mind that had greeted me many years ago with "Hi Siva", and me asking in good humour, "Why did you call me Siva?" He said "Gurudeva gave me this sadhana to see Siva in all by calling them Siva." And in this now Gurudeva reminded me to see Siva in all. How truly wonderful is this. Love, Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Always try to see everything from God's perspective. Especially the things that seem wildly positive or wildly negative. Realize that no matter what is happening, it is supposed to happen and it is for God's greater good that it does happen. Always set goals and act on those goals. But realize that the action is what's important, not the results of the action. In other words play your part, but don't identify with the fruit of your role. Love everyone openly. Give all. Expect nothing in return. Realize that alive is the same as dead, minus the body. Realize that every face you see is the face of God. Realize that love is not special or unique -- love is the expression of energy of God and that we all give it and we all feel it for each other all the time. Realize that no one person is any more or any less valuable than anyone else. Compare if you must, but don't contrast. Stop comparing if you can. Bri At 07:16 PM 8/24/2004, you wrote: >Dear All, > >Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and >wanted to share with you... > >How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings >around you with detachment ? > >Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > >Thank you for your time >Jai Maa >Latha > Links > > > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release 8/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release 8/24/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 You make a wonderful teacher, Brian. Thank you for your thoughts. How are Krista and the baby doing? I love you all, Ardis Brian McKee <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:50:42 -0700 Re: Question - Detachment Always try to see everything from God's perspective. Especially the things that seem wildly positive or wildly negative. Realize that no matter what is happening, it is supposed to happen and it is for God's greater good that it does happen. Always set goals and act on those goals. But realize that the action is what's important, not the results of the action. In other words play your part, but don't identify with the fruit of your role. Love everyone openly. Give all. Expect nothing in return. Realize that alive is the same as dead, minus the body. Realize that every face you see is the face of God. Realize that love is not special or unique -- love is the expression of energy of God and that we all give it and we all feel it for each other all the time. Realize that no one person is any more or any less valuable than anyone else. Compare if you must, but don't contrast. Stop comparing if you can. Bri At 07:16 PM 8/24/2004, you wrote: >Dear All, > >Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and >wanted to share with you... > >How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings >around you with detachment ? > >Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > >Thank you for your time >Jai Maa >Latha > Links > > > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release 8/11/2004 Sponsor / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release 8/24/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 I think our Chandi answer this question, In the Chapter one. Pranans to you Love kalachandra Latha Nanda <lathananda > wrote: Dear All,Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and wanted to share with you...How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings around you with detachment ?Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ?Thank you for your timeJai MaaLatha Acesso Grátis - navegue de graça com conexão de qualidade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Dear All, I like to use the word "non-attachment" versus "detachment". I'm not sure if anyone has spoken on this or not--and it may be only an important distiction for me. Detachment has a connotation for me of "not caring". Caring for others and about that which is useful in our journey is a good thing. With "non-attachment" we are saying "don't" get attached. So, then one goes to define "attached" in this context as "grasping for" or "stuck to" or "needing something", to make it simple. Nobody wants to be stuck. Yuck. That being said, I had a huge lesson in attachment on Tuesday. my son was very, very ill and as I drove him to the hospital (an hour away) I let the thought of losing his physical form run through my mind. The pain that resulted was intense, beyond description. My next thought was "this pain is caused by attachment". Attachmnet always leads to pain. My next thought was to get back to the mantra. Stop the negative thinking. And then i cried out to Mother for help in my adversity. She answered beautifully. But how in the world does one not be attached to loved ones? Is it recommended?? Who really can do this? I don't get it. Anybody out there have something on this? My son is fine now, due to lots and lots of miracles from Mother. Jai Maa!!! Blessings, Lynne , "omjayadeva" <omjayadeva> wrote: > Dear Latha, > > Others who have commented bring up the same point... that vairagya, > non-attachment, comes with steady practice over time. In the Atha > Kilakam Lord Siva tells us that by chanting consistently one comes > to that place of "indifference to each and every object of > existence." And He says that "there is no mantra, no medicine, nor > anything else known by which indifference to all can be attained > without repeated application." [Verses 2, 3, 4] And in his Yoga > Sutras Patanjali Maharishi in The Portion on Contemplation (Book I) > explains that We must steady the mental modifications that ditort > our perception of out true Self, that means to do this is 2-fold: > practice and non-attachment. He describes practice as any effort to > steady the mind, and says that to become well established it must be > attended to for a long, without any break and with heart-felt > attention. [book I: vs 2,3,4,12,13,14] When he next speaks of non- > attachment in verses 15 & 16, he does so in these terms: "The > consciousness of self-mastery in one who is free from craving for > objects seen or heard about is non-attachment. When there is non- > thirst for even the gunas (the constituents of Nature) due to > realization of the Purusha, the True Self, that is supreme non- > attachment. So we have the issue, the struggle of self-mastery. > Swamiji is always telling us that at some point it comes to that > place where the Ego must be defeated, Self-conceit must surrender to > the Mother. Like babies we cry out for our mamma to help us - and > she does. Don't ever quit. Eventually the efforts are simply Her > doing and we are free. > All this to say that we need to keep at it. Stick to your practice > and Maa will, step by step, take you all the way. Jai Maa. > jayadeva > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and > > wanted to share with you... > > > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > > around you with detachment ? > > > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > > > Thank you for your time > > Jai Maa > > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Good question. Krista and I are about 20 weeks from being parents, so I know a bit about family attachments. I also know about it because of my love for my grandmother. I've thought (and felt) about this form of attachment for a long time and I've come to some conclusions. Firstly, you can't be completely detached from anyone or anything. As you said its not healthy to not care. Secondly, you have to be attached to family, they are family and attachment comes with the territory. In the past saints and asetics would denouce their family and never see them again as a way of proving their non-attachment. I believe giving up anything to prove something proves exactly the opposite. (Think about it, its convoluded but makes sense). I believe there are two kinds of attachment, negative attachment which binds by force of will and runs on fear and anger, and positive attachment which binds by love connection and runs on caring, concern, and cooperation. And the way to tell the difference is simple. Just ask yourself the question Am I prepared to accept the consequences of this attachment? In other words, am I ready to be hurt if this person leaves for any reason (death, choice, personality change or whatever)? Do I fear being hurt? Am I ready to accept all that this person offers me, both positive and negative? Am I willing to give without expectation of return? Then there's the flip side. Once you answer yes to those questions for yourself you have to ask the person you are attaching yourself to. Does this person fear being hurt by me? If so, does this person know they have these fears? Is this person ready to lose me and experience the hurt of my loss? Is this person willing to take all I have to offer, both positive and negative? Does this person give without expectation of "payback?" These are questions a person should ask themselves before they choose a life mate. In the case of family, you get what you get and you have to choose to be the adult even when your family chooses to be immature. To summarize: be attached, but be accepting of the consequences of the attachment. Then the attachment holds nothing over you and you aren't driven by fear and the relationship can be healthy and prosperous. Brian "In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program. --- On Thu 08/26, yogalynne < omgirl > wrote: yogalynne [ omgirl] Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:44:38 -0000 Re: Question - Detachment <br>Dear All,<br>I like to use the word "non-attachment" versus "detachment". I'm <br>not sure if anyone has spoken on this or not--and it may be only an <br>important distiction for me. Detachment has a connotation for me <br>of "not caring". Caring for others and about that which is useful <br>in our journey is a good thing. With "non-attachment" we are <br>saying "don't" get attached. So, then one goes to define "attached" <br>in this context as "grasping for" or "stuck to" or "needing <br>something", to make it simple. Nobody wants to be stuck. Yuck.<br><br>That being said, I had a huge lesson in attachment on Tuesday. my <br>son was very, very ill and as I drove him to the hospital (an hour <br>away) I let the thought of losing his physical form run through my <br>mind. The pain that resulted was intense, beyond description. My <br>next thought was "this pain is caused by attachment". Attachmnet <br>always leads to pain. My next thought was to get back to the <br>mantra. Stop the negative thinking. And then i cried out to Mother <br>for help in my adversity. She answered beautifully. But how in the <br>world does one not be attached to loved ones? Is it recommended?? <br>Who really can do this? I don't get it. Anybody out there have <br>something on this?<br>My son is fine now, due to lots and lots of miracles from Mother. <br>Jai Maa!!!<br><br>Blessings, Lynne <br><br><br><br><br>--- In , "omjayadeva" <omjayadeva><br><br> wrote:<br>> Dear Latha,<br>> <br>> Others who have commented bring up the same point... that <br>vairagya, <br>> non-attachment, comes with steady practice over time. In the Atha <br>> Kilakam Lord Siva tells us that by chanting consistently one comes <br>> to that place of "indifference to each and every object of <br>> existence." And He says that "there is no mantra, no medicine, nor <br>> anything else known by which indifference to all can be attained <br>> without repeated application." [Verses 2, 3, 4] And in his Yoga <br>> Sutras Patanjali Maharishi in The Portion on Contemplation (Book <br>I) <br>> explains that We must steady the mental modifications that ditort <br>> our perception of out true Self, that means to do this is 2-fold: <br>> practice and non-attachment. He describes practice as any effort <br>to <br>> steady the mind, and says that to become well established it must <br>be <br>> attended to for a long, without any break and with heart-felt <br>> attention. [book I: vs 2,3,4,12,13,14] When he next speaks of non-<br>> attachment in verses 15 & 16, he does so in these terms: "The <br>> consciousness of self-mastery in one who is free from craving for <br>> objects seen or heard about is non-attachment. When there is non-<br>> thirst for even the gunas (the constituents of Nature) due to <br>> realization of the Purusha, the True Self, that is supreme non-<br>> attachment. So we have the issue, the struggle of self-mastery. <br>> Swamiji is always telling us that at some point it comes to that <br>> place where the Ego must be defeated, Self-conceit must surrender <br>to <br>> the Mother. Like babies we cry out for our mamma to help us - and <br>> she does. Don't ever quit. Eventually the efforts are simply Her <br>> doing and we are free.<br>> All this to say that we need to keep at it. Stick to your practice <br>> and Maa will, step by step, take you all the way. Jai Maa.<br>> jayadeva<br>> <br>> --- In , "Latha Nanda" <br><lathananda> <br>> wrote:<br>> > Dear All,<br>> > <br>> > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime <br>and <br>> > wanted to share with you...<br>> > <br>> > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings <br>> > around you with detachment ?<br>> > <br>> > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ?<br>> > <br>> > Thank you for your time<br>> > Jai Maa<br>> > Latha<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------ Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> <br>Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Companion Toolbar.<br>Now wit _____________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Swamiji says - detachment happens when attachment is to the right things - God/Guru and Sadhana. Here is something I found on the web on this topic. My thanks to Wayne Dyer. Jai Maa ============================================================= Gandhi was asked to describe in twenty-five words or less what his life mission was. He said, "I could do it in three: Renounce and enjoy." You renounce all worldly attachment to everything and enjoy what God gives you. You give away what you have inside yourself, your love. You're not concerned with whether it worked or didn't work, Whether it was right or wrong, whether you won or lost. You just constantly flow through your life without getting attached to the results. The irony is that the less attached you are, the more you get. The more you keep circulating, the more keeps coming back to you. It's a flowing system. ============================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 both swamiji's and gandhi's comments are perfect. will add for the fun of it. as per swamiji's comment, i note that the more i am seeing into god, the more the world seems to be somewhat remote. in a kind of stillness. to me that seems to be the state of being detached. detachment is a relative thing, it is not absolute [unless one is dead.] for example, i am pretty attached to my arms. i would be awfully sad to see them go. but i can look to god, more and more, and the more i do, the more petty aggravations, and the binding conditions of this world, diminish in importance. detachment seems to be more a side effect of spiritual aspiration, than a goal. i think also, one can cry, or feel anything, and still be detached. that's the state of aloofness we hear about. even one's own emotions, one sees them come and go as from a distance. it should not mean we do not feel, but that we are not wrapped up inside feelings. as we look towards god, those binding cords loosen and fall away and we becomes detached, or less attached. mind feels free and we become more aligned to space, than the weight of the earth, and the gravitational pull of self-oriented emotions. steve , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Swamiji says - detachment happens when attachment is to the right > things - God/Guru and Sadhana. > > Here is something I found on the web on this topic. My thanks to > Wayne Dyer. > > Jai Maa > > ============================================================= > > Gandhi was asked to describe in twenty-five words or less what his > life mission was. He said, "I could do it in three: Renounce and > enjoy." You renounce all worldly attachment to everything and enjoy > what God gives you. You give away what you have inside yourself, > your love. You're not concerned with whether it worked or didn't > work, Whether it was right or wrong, whether you won or lost. You > just constantly flow through your life without getting attached to > the results. The irony is that the less attached you are, the more > you get. The more you keep circulating, the more keeps coming back > to you. It's a flowing system. > > ============================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 OM NAMAH SHIVAYA Dear Shri Latha: I would like to expand upon Shri Omjaydeva comments (Message # 6170) on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali. In Book I the verses 19 through 22, Rishi Patanjali describes the different kinds of students and their "intrinsic" nature towards their practice in the pursuit of Samadhi. 1.19 bhava pratyayah videha prakriti layanam Translation Those who merely leave their physical bodies and attain the state of celestial deities, or those who get merged in Nature have rebirth. 1.20 shraddha virya smriti samadhi prajna purvakah itaresham Translation To the others, this asamprajnata samadhi could come through faith, strength, memory, contemplation or by discernment. 1.21 tivra samvega asannah Translation To the keen and intent practitioner this [samadhi] comes quickly. 1.22 mridu madhya adhimatra tatah api vishesha Translation The time necessary for success further depends on whether the practice is mild, medium or intense. Then in verses 23 through 29, Rishi Patanjali describes (in my opinion) the best and easiest way to Samadhi for those students a method that reminds me of the saying "Let Go and Let God" which is to surrender to God by the calling of His Name. Book I 1.23 ishvara pranidhana va Translation Or [smadhi} is attained by devotion with total dedication to God [ishvara]. 1.24 klesha karma vipaka ashayaih aparamristah purusha-vishesha ishvara Translation Ishvara is the supreme Purusha, unaffected by any affliction, actions, fruits of actions or by any inner impressions of desires. 1.25 tatra niratishayam sarvajna bijam Translation In Him is the complete manifestation of the seed of omniscience. 1.26 purvesham api guruh kalena anavachchhedat Translation Unconditioned by time, He is the teacher of even the most ancient teachers. 1.27 tasya vachakah pranavah Translation The Word expressed of Ishvara is the mystic sound OM. [Note: OM is God's name as well as form]. 1.28 tat japah tat artha bhavanam Translation To repeat it with reflection upon its meaning is an aid. 1.29 tatah pratyak chetana adhigamah api antaraya abhavash cha Translation >From this practice all the obstacles disappear and simultaneously dawns knowledge of the inner Self. Mantra Japa is the best method that helps to remove layers or ignorance and brings our thought inline with the divine. It purifies our mind breaking away our attachments to internal and external objects. OM NAMAH SHIVAYA Reference: Yoga Sutras of Patanjali: Translation by Sri Swami Satchidananda, ISBN 0-932040-38-1 , "omjayadeva" <omjayadeva> wrote: > Dear Latha, > > Others who have commented bring up the same point... that vairagya, > non-attachment, comes with steady practice over time. In the Atha > Kilakam Lord Siva tells us that by chanting consistently one comes > to that place of "indifference to each and every object of > existence." And He says that "there is no mantra, no medicine, nor > anything else known by which indifference to all can be attained > without repeated application." [Verses 2, 3, 4] And in his Yoga > Sutras Patanjali Maharishi in The Portion on Contemplation (Book I) > explains that We must steady the mental modifications that ditort > our perception of out true Self, that means to do this is 2-fold: > practice and non-attachment. He describes practice as any effort to > steady the mind, and says that to become well established it must be > attended to for a long, without any break and with heart-felt > attention. [book I: vs 2,3,4,12,13,14] When he next speaks of non- > attachment in verses 15 & 16, he does so in these terms: "The > consciousness of self-mastery in one who is free from craving for > objects seen or heard about is non-attachment. When there is non- > thirst for even the gunas (the constituents of Nature) due to > realization of the Purusha, the True Self, that is supreme non- > attachment. So we have the issue, the struggle of self-mastery. > Swamiji is always telling us that at some point it comes to that > place where the Ego must be defeated, Self-conceit must surrender to > the Mother. Like babies we cry out for our mamma to help us - and > she does. Don't ever quit. Eventually the efforts are simply Her > doing and we are free. > All this to say that we need to keep at it. Stick to your practice > and Maa will, step by step, take you all the way. Jai Maa. > jayadeva > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime and > > wanted to share with you... > > > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > > around you with detachment ? > > > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > > > Thank you for your time > > Jai Maa > > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 You know Lynn, I don't think anyone ever becomes completely unattached from other people. I could be wrong about this, of course, but I think loving others, particular others, is part of what we are, perhaps part of the mystery that is the Divine experiencing itself in manifestation. As with every other aspect of life, I think attachment to others changes, becomes less binding, with dawning enlightenment, but I don't think it goes away (actually, I would love to hear what Shree Maa has to say about this). I seem to recall reading the words of a master some time ago, but I can't remember for certain who, or where. I just remember being struck by the words at the time. He said something to the effect that he was able to achieve freedom from every attachment but one, attachment to those he loves. And he said it is a mystery that this is so, but it seemed to him to be Divine Mother's will. Since then, I have seen suggestions of it in the final experiences of saints I have read of, nothing blatant though. May God bless you and your son. Chris , "yogalynne" <omgirl@p...> wrote: > > Dear All, > I like to use the word "non-attachment" versus "detachment". I'm > not sure if anyone has spoken on this or not--and it may be only an > important distiction for me. Detachment has a connotation for me > of "not caring". Caring for others and about that which is useful > in our journey is a good thing. With "non-attachment" we are > saying "don't" get attached. So, then one goes to define "attached" > in this context as "grasping for" or "stuck to" or "needing > something", to make it simple. Nobody wants to be stuck. Yuck. > > That being said, I had a huge lesson in attachment on Tuesday. my > son was very, very ill and as I drove him to the hospital (an hour > away) I let the thought of losing his physical form run through my > mind. The pain that resulted was intense, beyond description. My > next thought was "this pain is caused by attachment". Attachmnet > always leads to pain. My next thought was to get back to the > mantra. Stop the negative thinking. And then i cried out to Mother > for help in my adversity. She answered beautifully. But how in the > world does one not be attached to loved ones? Is it recommended?? > Who really can do this? I don't get it. Anybody out there have > something on this? > My son is fine now, due to lots and lots of miracles from Mother. > Jai Maa!!! > > Blessings, Lynne > > > > > , "omjayadeva" <omjayadeva> > > wrote: > > Dear Latha, > > > > Others who have commented bring up the same point... that > vairagya, > > non-attachment, comes with steady practice over time. In the Atha > > Kilakam Lord Siva tells us that by chanting consistently one comes > > to that place of "indifference to each and every object of > > existence." And He says that "there is no mantra, no medicine, nor > > anything else known by which indifference to all can be attained > > without repeated application." [Verses 2, 3, 4] And in his Yoga > > Sutras Patanjali Maharishi in The Portion on Contemplation (Book > I) > > explains that We must steady the mental modifications that ditort > > our perception of out true Self, that means to do this is 2-fold: > > practice and non-attachment. He describes practice as any effort > to > > steady the mind, and says that to become well established it must > be > > attended to for a long, without any break and with heart-felt > > attention. [book I: vs 2,3,4,12,13,14] When he next speaks of non- > > attachment in verses 15 & 16, he does so in these terms: "The > > consciousness of self-mastery in one who is free from craving for > > objects seen or heard about is non-attachment. When there is non- > > thirst for even the gunas (the constituents of Nature) due to > > realization of the Purusha, the True Self, that is supreme non- > > attachment. So we have the issue, the struggle of self-mastery. > > Swamiji is always telling us that at some point it comes to that > > place where the Ego must be defeated, Self-conceit must surrender > to > > the Mother. Like babies we cry out for our mamma to help us - and > > she does. Don't ever quit. Eventually the efforts are simply Her > > doing and we are free. > > All this to say that we need to keep at it. Stick to your practice > > and Maa will, step by step, take you all the way. Jai Maa. > > jayadeva > > > > , "Latha Nanda" > <lathananda> > > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime > and > > > wanted to share with you... > > > > > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > > > around you with detachment ? > > > > > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > > > > > Thank you for your time > > > Jai Maa > > > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 I think that detachment doesn't mean not to love, but to love so much that he/she doesn't want to possess. The most relationships are selfish. In the book Before Becoming This, Shree Maa says: " We haven´t learned how to give. If each person would pratice giving to their partner, their relationships would be peacefull and harmonious..." and Swamiji say: "Having a relationship is a sadhana, a spiritual discipline" I think this is with partners, sons, friends, wife, husband....every people. In the Baghavad Gita, Krsna say about our actions, we don´t must attachment to the fruits. Love all youkalachandra> > , "Latha Nanda" > <lathananda> > > wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > > > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime > and > > > wanted to share with you...> > > > > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > > > around you with detachment ?> > > > > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ?> > > > > > Thank you for your time> > > Jai Maa> > > Latha Acesso Grátis - navegue de graça com conexão de qualidade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 , "Chris Kirner" Thank you Chris and others who responded to this post. I think you are right, Chris. At least it feels right to me that this love i have for my loved ones is something different or deeper than that I have for others. I think great saints love everyone how they need to be loved and perhaps they might not agree with my statement above. I guess it depends where you are in the journey. I do think that it is in relationships--ongoing, lifetime relationships--where our stuff gets "played out". Nobody does this thing alone. In the Chandi, when the Goddess battles with Self-Conceit in the upper atmosphere, she still brings him down to the earth plane before she slays him. Relationships and love and committment are part of this human birth. But, I guess, it's not useful to anguish over the attachment, either. Thanks again for your comments. Good points. Love, Lynne <chriskirner1956> wrote: > You know Lynn, I don't think anyone ever becomes completely unattached > from other people. I could be wrong about this, of course, but I think > loving others, particular others, is part of what we are, perhaps part > of the mystery that is the Divine experiencing itself in manifestation. > > As with every other aspect of life, I think attachment to others > changes, becomes less binding, with dawning enlightenment, but I don't > think it goes away (actually, I would love to hear what Shree Maa has > to say about this). > > I seem to recall reading the words of a master some time ago, but I > can't remember for certain who, or where. I just remember being struck > by the words at the time. He said something to the effect that he was > able to achieve freedom from every attachment but one, attachment to > those he loves. And he said it is a mystery that this is so, but it > seemed to him to be Divine Mother's will. > > Since then, I have seen suggestions of it in the final experiences of > saints I have read of, nothing blatant though. > > May God bless you and your son. > > Chris > > > , "yogalynne" <omgirl@p...> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I like to use the word "non-attachment" versus "detachment". I'm > > not sure if anyone has spoken on this or not--and it may be only an > > important distiction for me. Detachment has a connotation for me > > of "not caring". Caring for others and about that which is useful > > in our journey is a good thing. With "non-attachment" we are > > saying "don't" get attached. So, then one goes to define "attached" > > in this context as "grasping for" or "stuck to" or "needing > > something", to make it simple. Nobody wants to be stuck. Yuck. > > > > That being said, I had a huge lesson in attachment on Tuesday. my > > son was very, very ill and as I drove him to the hospital (an hour > > away) I let the thought of losing his physical form run through my > > mind. The pain that resulted was intense, beyond description. My > > next thought was "this pain is caused by attachment". Attachmnet > > always leads to pain. My next thought was to get back to the > > mantra. Stop the negative thinking. And then i cried out to Mother > > for help in my adversity. She answered beautifully. But how in the > > world does one not be attached to loved ones? Is it recommended?? > > Who really can do this? I don't get it. Anybody out there have > > something on this? > > My son is fine now, due to lots and lots of miracles from Mother. > > Jai Maa!!! > > > > Blessings, Lynne > > > > > > > > > > , "omjayadeva" <omjayadeva> > > > > wrote: > > > Dear Latha, > > > > > > Others who have commented bring up the same point... that > > vairagya, > > > non-attachment, comes with steady practice over time. In the Atha > > > Kilakam Lord Siva tells us that by chanting consistently one comes > > > to that place of "indifference to each and every object of > > > existence." And He says that "there is no mantra, no medicine, nor > > > anything else known by which indifference to all can be attained > > > without repeated application." [Verses 2, 3, 4] And in his Yoga > > > Sutras Patanjali Maharishi in The Portion on Contemplation (Book > > I) > > > explains that We must steady the mental modifications that ditort > > > our perception of out true Self, that means to do this is 2- fold: > > > practice and non-attachment. He describes practice as any effort > > to > > > steady the mind, and says that to become well established it must > > be > > > attended to for a long, without any break and with heart-felt > > > attention. [book I: vs 2,3,4,12,13,14] When he next speaks of non- > > > attachment in verses 15 & 16, he does so in these terms: "The > > > consciousness of self-mastery in one who is free from craving for > > > objects seen or heard about is non-attachment. When there is non- > > > thirst for even the gunas (the constituents of Nature) due to > > > realization of the Purusha, the True Self, that is supreme non- > > > attachment. So we have the issue, the struggle of self- mastery. > > > Swamiji is always telling us that at some point it comes to that > > > place where the Ego must be defeated, Self-conceit must surrender > > to > > > the Mother. Like babies we cry out for our mamma to help us - and > > > she does. Don't ever quit. Eventually the efforts are simply Her > > > doing and we are free. > > > All this to say that we need to keep at it. Stick to your practice > > > and Maa will, step by step, take you all the way. Jai Maa. > > > jayadeva > > > > > > , "Latha Nanda" > > <lathananda> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Here is something that I have been pondering over for sometime > > and > > > > wanted to share with you... > > > > > > > > How does one get detached ? How does one view all the happenings > > > > around you with detachment ? > > > > > > > > Any ideas , comments ? Any scriptural references ? > > > > > > > > Thank you for your time > > > > Jai Maa > > > > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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