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In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into deeper

contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

controlled by worldly attachments.

 

How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows them

to assume control?

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Swamiji,

 

It appears that, whatever we contemplate, that we truly become, in

that we then become limited by that thing, and engage all our other

thoughts about that thing, in relation to anything else we can think

about.

 

It is so that, our contemplation is a sort of a spire of thought

that situates us, and limits us, within the unlimited reality.

 

Anything will do; a car; a woman, my watch; a house; an entire realm

of associations, emotions, neurological sensations, all gather

together, like the ego's army, to support and defend any attachment,

to the extent of changing form as the ego did, from a buffalo, to a

man, etc.

 

Pranams, thank you for bringing up this for consideration.

 

Steve Connor

 

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into

deeper

> contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

> controlled by worldly attachments.

>

> How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows

them

> to assume control?

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Swamiji's question brought to mind a story that we read in "Shree

Maa, The Life of a Saint." The story 'One Friend with a Prostitute

and the Other in the Temple', ends with these words: "God looks to

the mind, not where you are, but with what quality of mind you are

there. God receives the expressions of the heart."

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into

deeper

> contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

> controlled by worldly attachments.

>

> How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows

them

> to assume control?

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"> How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows

them

> to assume control?"

 

Even the word bhavana (meditation, contemplation, mental discipline)

contains the root: bhu-"to become, to exist".

When we contemplate something, becoming absorbed in it,we give life

to that thing. "Consciousness (citta) is connected with the life

force indwelling in all beings. Like a bird tied to a string (so is

the mind) (Yoga-Shikha-Upanishad)". Our prana follows our

attention...so that which we contemplate, we give power to.

 

 

sadhvi

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It wasn't actually his contemplation of the loss of his wealth that

intensified his attachment, but rather, his complete identification

with the loss.

 

Verse twelve says, "Then his contemplations were overcome with

egotism and attachment..." The combination of egotism, ("This is who

I am, a kingdomless king), and attachment (I hate my current

circumstances and greatly desire that which was) served to constrict

his mind to the point where all he could see was his pain over his

loss. This is one-pointed meditation. It is no wonder his pain

intensified.

 

Had the King contemplated his egotism within the context of a lower

level of attachment, he might have been able to discern that he is

more than this King who appears to have lost something. At the least,

he could have recognized his commonality with humanity as a whole,

and realized, though he lost a great deal, he still possessed more

than many, his health for instance. At best, he could have realized

himself as indistinguishable from pure consciousness itself, and

therefore at loss for nothing.

 

Had the King been able to contemplate his attachment with a more

open, more inclusive ego, he might have been able to see that

everything in life is transitory, subject to birth and death. Even

his loss of everything he had was inevitable, as he surely would have

lost it upon his death.

 

Contemplation in either of these veins, rather than constricting the

mind, expands it. Indeed, as the story continues, we see that as he

begins to focus his attention on the troubles of the businessman and

off of himself he becomes more stable, more awake to truth, until he

is able to ask in verse forty-one, "My reflections are without

control and give much pain to my mind. I have great attachment to the

kingdom and to every aspect of the status that has gone from me."

 

It was not the contemplation, per se, that was his problem, but its

negative nature. As I was reading today in the Tripura

Rahasya, "Negative thought feeds the ego," and "For lack of positive

thought, people perform their duties and remain caught in the snare

of delusion; thus they become victims of innumerable miseries."

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into

deeper

> contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

> controlled by worldly attachments.

>

> How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows them

> to assume control?

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Namaste Everybody

 

Swamiji says that we demonstrate our love by paying attention, and as our

attention

grows, our love grows. It is God's Grace. We give and receive. We sow and

reap. But

it is our choice.. to cultivate love for God or worldly attachments. Certainly

if we give

attention only to worldly attachments, we will love only worldly attachments.

But it is

also true that if we strive to love only God, we will succeed! Jai Maa!

 

My sister made a bookmark for me, and a bit of Buddha's wisdom is written on it.

Buddha says: The thought manifests as the word, the word manifests as the deed,

the deed develops into habit and habit hardens into character. So watch the

thought

and its way with care and let it spring from love born out of concern for all

beings.

 

> In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into deeper

> contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

> controlled by worldly attachments.

>

> How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows them

> to assume control?

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Dwelling upon loss can certainly lodge the unwary in the prison house

of heartbreak hotel. There is a remedly and her name is Durga. Puja

to her relieves our difficulties. Continued Chandi practice can

become our refuge as it grows our detachment to past mishaps.

Eventually it can bring about our complete restoration. More than

that, it can make things better than ever. Chandi encompasses much,

including ever.

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into

deeper

> contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

> controlled by worldly attachments.

>

> How is it that the contemplation of worldly attachments allows them

> to assume control?

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I think this answer is in the Bhagavad Gita, chapter 2:62, 63. " The

man who medites upon any idea cutivate attachment. From attachement

comes desire, and from desire comes anger." "From anger comes

ignorance, from ignorance confusion of memory. From confusion of

memery the intellect is destroyed, and when the intellect is

destroyed one is lost"

 

 

 

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In Chandi Chapter One, verse 16, when Good Thoughts went into deeper

contemplation of the loss of his wealth, his thoughts became

controlled by worldly attachments.How is it that the contemplation of

worldly attachments allows them to assume control? Messenger -

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I really liked Kalachandra's answer to Swamiji's question. She

backed it up with a spiritual source - The Bhagavad Gita.

 

What is the power in wordly contemplations that allows us to get

consumed by them ?

 

I have been thinking of this ever since Swamiji's question.

 

The answer came to me while reading Chandi ,Chapter 8 this week.

 

Wordly thoughts are those that are created by Seeds of Desire. And

the property of Raktabija or Seed of Desire is that for every drop

of his blood that touched the ground, several more such thoughts

manifested , ALL EQUALLY VALIANT, EQUALLY STRONG AND EQUALLY FIERCE.

 

In Chapter 8, Verse 52 , Swamiji translates "...the thoughts born of

the Seed of Desire pervaded the entire perceivable universe and the

Gods became frightened.."

 

And Raktabija could only be killed was when Kali drank every drop of his's blood

BEFORE IT FELL ON THE EARTH.

Swamiji says, the only way to quell wordly thoughts is to catch them before they

manifest.

 

For if and when a wordly thought manifests, it sure brings in its

friends and cousins and relatives and consumes all our attention ...

 

JAI MAA !

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Wonderful!

 

Also keep in mind that the gravity pulling the desires toward the ground (toward

manifestation) is our lack of awareness.

 

And also that Kali has the ability to slow time around the desire to give us

more time to let it go, to let her swallow it up.

 

She is the ultimate in compassion.

 

Brian

 

"In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very

angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch

Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program.

 

--- On Mon 06/14, Latha Nanda < lathananda > wrote:

Latha Nanda [ lathananda]

Mon, 14 Jun 2004 08:34:46 -0000

Re: Question from Swamiji for the group

 

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OM NAMAH SIVAYA

 

i agree with you Ardis. Guru under this context, as in GOD, Guru,

Self are One, everything we learn is thru the grace of the Guru. on

the otherhand, if a Guru is a person with a personality, i would say

that much can be learned without a Guru. it seems we shouldn't

limit ourselves to the disposition that we have only one Guru.

everything that comes across our path is the Guru. its all GOD.

 

JAI MA

 

, Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...>

wrote:

>

> Since the Guru is the Supreme Divinity all that we learn is

through the grace

> of that Divinity.

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Agreeing with both Ardis and EC...where is the Guru not manifest?

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Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:57 PM

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OM NAMAH SIVAYAi agree with you Ardis. Guru under this context, as in

GOD, Guru, Self are One, everything we learn is thru the grace of the

Guru. on the otherhand, if a Guru is a person with a personality, i

would say that much can be learned without a Guru. it seems we

shouldn't limit ourselves to the disposition that we have only one

Guru. everything that comes across our path is the Guru. its all

GOD.JAI MA, Ardis Jackson

<anandamama@e...> wrote:> > Since the Guru is the Supreme Divinity

all that we learn is through the grace> of that Divinity.

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When I look back through my current life of 64 years, there are so many

experiences that can only be explained by the grace of the Guru. All the

blessings, all the wonderful teachers and teachings. Om namo bhagavate Sri

Guru namo namah.

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When I first went to the Devi Mandir I was surprised that there were

two gurus. I remember asking one of the disciples if she felt a

confusion of loyalties having two gurus. She looked at me with a look

of total surprise and disbelief. It wasn’t until I studied the

Guru Gita that I began to see the Guru as the Supreme Divinity and to

see Shree Maa and Swamiji as One.

OM NAMAH SIVAYA

i agree with you Ardis. Guru under this context, as in GOD, Guru,

Self are One, everything we learn is thru the grace of the Guru. on

the otherhand, if a Guru is a person with a personality, i would say

that much can be learned without a Guru. it seems we shouldn't

limit ourselves to the disposition that we have only one Guru.

everything that comes across our path is the Guru. its all GOD.

JAI MA

, Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...>

wrote:

>

> Since the Guru is the Supreme Divinity all that we learn is

through the grace

> of that Divinity.

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Brian,

 

Good answer. Mustn't forget the other side of the relationship.

 

Chris

 

 

, "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote:

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> Is it through the grace of Guru that I learned that I am of no

value unless I please people, that I am merely a person, merely a

husband, merely a son, or merely an engineer?

>

> I speak of the things I learned that were simply not true.

>

> Is it guru who spreads falsehoods?

>

> I feel that guru only brings truth. So when I learn untruths, it is

not guru who is teaching me, it is maya tricking me into a false belief.

>

> Guru is he who iluminates darkness, not she who casts shadows, also

known as Maha Maya.

>

> So yes, I have learned things not from Guru, and I spent the better

part of my life recognizing the folly of those beliefs.

>

> But, from the ultimate perspective, it is she who is all who

directed all of those experiences. And there is no difference between

he who dispells shadow and she who casts shadow.

>

> The answer to this question varies depending on who I am.

>

> --- On Tue 11/09, Latha Nanda wrote:

> Latha Nanda [ lathananda]

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> Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:27:11 -0000

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The Guru is Everywhere and in Everything Through and Through. And

There We are One. Where there is difference and duality the Guru will

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