Manifestation and the wisdom of nature

November 6, 2003

In CHAPTER 1 of the Chandi the Busines man and the King are

discussing how even with wisdom and understanding they still feel

pain and attachment. They ask the Rishi what is it that causes this

ignorance?

The Rishi replies in Verse 47-58.

Briefly he tells them that the Supreme Goddess, the Great Measurement

of Consciousness, attracts the perceiving capapcity af all sensible

beings with such force as to thrust them into the ignorance of

egotistic attachment. She is the cause of Liberation of Consciousness

and She is the cause of the bondage of Consciousness to objects and

their relationships.

Recently I was reading the Way of Illumination by Hazrat Inayat Khan

which seems to address this question.

First a story:

The soul was frightened when it was commanded to enter the body of

clay; it was most unwilling not from pride, but from fear. The soul,

whose nature is freedom, whose dwelling place is heaven, whose

comfort it is to be free and to dwell in all spheres of existence,

for that soul to dwell in a house of clay it was most terrifying.

Then God asked the angels to play and sing and the ecstacy that was

produced in the soul by hearing the music made the oule enter the

body of clay where it became captive to death.

The interpretation of this idea is that the soul which is pure

intelligence and angelic in its being, had not the least interest in

dwelling in the physical plane, which robs it of its freedom and

makes it limited. But what interested the soul, and made it come into

the body, is what the physical world offers to the senses; and this

produces such intoxication that it takes away for the moment the

thought of heaven from the soul and so the soul becomes captive in

the physical body.

A brief explanation:

When the soul is born on earth its first expression is a cry. Why

does it cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is all

strange to it. It finds itself in captivity. Every person, every

object is new, and is something foreign to this soul, but soon the

condition passes away. Soon the senses of the infant become aquainted

with the outer life which so continually attracts its attention. It

first becomes interested in breathing the air of the world, then in

hearing the sounds, and then in seeing the objects before it; then in

touching them, and then its taste develops. The more familiar the

soul becomes with this physical world the more interested it becomes;

though sometimes it shows homesickness in its fits of crying that it

so oftens has during infancy. It is not always that it is crying for

things outside. No doubt, as it grows it longs for things itself, but

it often cries from the feeling of having been removed from a place

which was more pleasant and comfortable, and having come to a foreign

land of which it knows so little. It is this which causes the infant

to have fits of crying.

The wisdom of nature is perfect; and there is no better

vision of the spendour of the divine wisdom for the thinker than a

child in its infancy. If the senses of an infant were developed as

are the senses of a grown up person, it would lose its reason from

the sudden pressure of the physical world falling instantly upon it.

Its delicate senses would not have been able to stand the pressure of

so many various and intense functions of this world. How marvellously

the wisdom behind it works, the wisdom which is the evidence of the

divine protector, Father, Mother, Creator, the support and protection

of all so that the senses of the child develop gradually as it

becomes familiar with life. The more it knows the more its mind

expands, and it cannot know more than the mind can grasp. So that in

every way an infant is protected in both mind and body.

Note: Shree Maa is one of the rare souls who did not cry at birth.

She was completely established within her soul at birth and knew who

she was.

May Divine Mother bless us all with eternal remembrance.

November 7, 2003

A brief explanation:When the soul is born on earth its first

_expression is a cry. Why does it cry? Because it finds itself in a

new place which is all strange to it. It finds itself in captivity.

Is something any normal person would assume in witnessing a birth. A

person seeing birth thru the eye's of unconscious birth trauma feels

that the body is captivity. The very process of enlightenment and

eventual transmutation of the physical realm (siddhar path) heals

this very perception. It is not the truth of embodiment. Some

souls, like mine, felt very sad to be away from the bliss of

unembodied consciousness, but at the same time very excited to be of

service to humanity in any way we could. I remember the trauma of

coming from 'Heaven' and I remember the trauma of 'Birth'. These are

conscious realizations and conscious memories that a person has when

going into the very depths of transformation and the transformation

of birth trauma into birth bliss. As spiritual aspirants, 99.9% want

so badly to believe 'captivity' is a bound or negative place, or to

beleive that the phsical is less than.

Most spiritual aspirants, due to the very nature of wanting God in the

first place, embodied to assist humanity. The consciousness of

embodiment was also a choice, but one realizes this when they go thru

Rebirthing or other sadhana, very deep places of transformation, the

transformation that effects cell and dna level's, consciousness on

ALL LEVELS, not just the mental and emotional.

Birth is traumatic because not very many know how to make birth

consciously blissful and humanity is learning slowly as Rebirthing

becomes prevalent, doula birthing, water birthing, natural birthing,

midwivery, Pre and Peri Natal Psychology which came prevalent at the

time Rebirthing did - it's all here to make parents conscious that

they are giving birth to God. Babies don't cry when they are birthed

correctly with consciousness that they are God. They learn to breath

without having the cord cut immediately. When the cord is cut, the

infant looses it's 'source' and goes into shock and then usually

someone startles the baby by hitting them or a slap to get them to

cry. This is the reason for crying: "VIOLENCE". When more of

humanity gets eveolved enough to stop the violence, not cut the cord

immediately, to not turn the child upside down, or hit the child or

probe the childs throat, then we will have souls

incarnating who understand truly what it means to be emodied. The

souls coming in now are very highly aware children and the more

parents who have conscious birth, the more enlightened children we

will have on the planet.

The very idea that we are trapped is part of our problem and denial

system. It's our blame game to avoid accepting responsibilty for the

divine vehicle we truly inhabit. When the Masters pass the stories

down the line that are not truthful, I will point that out. Just

because a Master renounced the world or read all the scripture

doesn't mean he's Mastered it. Just because it's a belief, doesn't

mean it's TRUE. Babies cry because it's done violently. Babies who

don't cry are proving it to the world when the Parents have enough

love to Birth Consciously.

Read Birth Without Violence by Fredrick Leboyer. A must have for any

Rebirther, Holotrophic Breathworker, Pre and Perinatal Psychologist

or Master.

A rebirthers work is never done:) Too much birth trauma in the world from all levels:)

parvati_saraswati <parvati_saraswati > wrote:

In CHAPTER 1 of the Chandi the Busines man and the King are discussing

how even with wisdom and understanding they still feel pain and

attachment. They ask the Rishi what is it that causes this

ignorance?The Rishi replies in Verse 47-58.Briefly he tells them that

the Supreme Goddess, the Great Measurement of Consciousness, attracts

the perceiving capapcity af all sensible beings with such force as to

thrust them into the ignorance of egotistic attachment. She is the

cause of Liberation of Consciousness and She is the cause of the

bondage of Consciousness to objects and their relationships.Recently

I was reading the Way of Illumination by Hazrat Inayat Khan which

seems to address this question.First a story: The soul was

frightened when it was commanded to enter the body of clay; it was

most unwilling

not from pride, but from fear. The soul, whose nature is freedom,

whose dwelling place is heaven, whose comfort it is to be free and to

dwell in all spheres of existence, for that soul to dwell in a house

of clay it was most terrifying.Then God asked the angels to play and

sing and the ecstacy that was produced in the soul by hearing the

music made the oule enter the body of clay where it became captive to

death. The interpretation of this idea is that the soul which is

pure intelligence and angelic in its being, had not the least

interest in dwelling in the physical plane, which robs it of its

freedom and makes it limited. But what interested the soul, and made

it come into the body, is what the physical world offers to the

senses; and this produces such intoxication that it takes away for

the moment the thought of heaven from the soul and so the soul

becomes captive in the physical body.A brief

explanation:When the soul is born on earth its first expression is a

cry. Why does it cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is

all strange to it. It finds itself in captivity. Every person, every

object is new, and is something foreign to this soul, but soon the

condition passes away. Soon the senses of the infant become

aquaintedwith the outer life which so continually attracts its

attention. It first becomes interested in breathing the air of the

world, then in hearing the sounds, and then in seeing the objects

before it; then in touching them, and then its taste develops. The

more familiar the soul becomes with this physical world the more

interested it becomes; though sometimes it shows homesickness in its

fits of crying that it so oftens has during infancy. It is not always

that it is crying for things outside. No doubt, as it grows it longs

for things itself, but it often cries from the feeling of having been

removed from a place which was more pleasant and comfortable, and

having come to a foreign land of which it knows so little. It is this

which causes the infant to have fits of crying. The wisdom of

nature is perfect; and there is no better vision of the spendour of

the divine wisdom for the thinker than a child in its infancy. If the

senses of an infant were developed as are the senses of a grown up

person, it would lose its reason from the sudden pressure of the

physical world falling instantly upon it. Its delicate senses would

not have been able to stand the pressure of so many various and

intense functions of this world. How marvellouslythe wisdom behind it

works, the wisdom which is the evidence of the divine protector,

Father, Mother, Creator, the support and protection of all so that

the senses of the child develop gradually as it becomes familiar with

life. The more it knows the

more its mind expands, and it cannot know more than the mind can

grasp. So that in every way an infant is protected in both mind and

body. Note: Shree Maa is one of the rare souls who did not

cry at birth. She was completely established within her soul at birth

and knew who she was.May Divine Mother bless us all with eternal

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November 7, 2003

Thank you Kelly for sharing in such depth about the birth process.

I became pregnant after seven years of prayer and meditation. Not

because I was not capable physically of conceiving, because my

husband was not ready emotionally or spiritually to become a father.

When he finally was ready, he prepared a place for me in the

wilderness of Zion National Park, a place he found sacred. He

blindfolded me and lovingly led me to the place. It was amazing.

Incredible jagged mountain peaks, silvered by the light of the full

moon. The experience we shared was not sexual. We were immersed in

prayer and meditation. I conceived immediately. I prayed for a pure

soul. I prayed to Swamiji, although I had never met him on the

physical plane. Our daughter bears the name Ananda Mae, closest I

could come intuitively to Ananda Mayi.

My whole pregnancy was a preparation for her birth. I meditated for

hours daily. I hiked and backpacked and ate a healthy diet. (All

the time teaching school full-time). I had to fight the medical

establishment to have a natural birth and to have my husband in the

delivery room. This was in 1969. I would have loved to have had a

water birth, but LeBoyer's work was not available at that time in my

area. Ananda did not cry at birth. She was totally awake and aware.

Her lower lip trembled a little until I started speaking to her; then

she smiled.

I have witnessed other births where the baby did not cry and seemed

perfectly peaceful and aware and interested in their surroundings.

I did not cry when I was born. I do not feel that it is such a rare

thing. I was two months premature. The doctor who delivered me was

a very spiritual man. I only weighed 3 lbs. This was in 1940. I was

put in a totally dark, warm incubator. My father picked up mother's

milk for me from a woman's organization and delivered it to the

hospital every day after work for two months. They wouldn't let him

hold me. My mother never visited me. I wasn't even held by the

nurses. The incubator had sleeves through which the nurses could

bottle feed me. They did not expect me to survive. Only my doctor

and my father believed that I would survive. I am very grateful to

them... two gentlemen from West Virginia.

My husband left me and our daughter when she was 3 yrs old (after 12

yrs of marriage). It brought up abandonment issues that went all the

way back to the incubator days and to childhood abuse by my mother.

When I came to the Devi Mandir, it was hard for me to accept Mother's

love and discipline. It was much easier to relate to Swamiji who

reminded me of my loving, peaceful father (who I see as my first guru

in this lifetime). But with time I was able to see Maa's discipline

as a form of selfless love. Her music and her incredible deep

meditative states and her instruction all revealed Her Divinity. I

feel grateful beyond measure for both of them.

Ardis

Kelly Leeper <blissnout >

Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:27:52 -0800 (PST)

Re: Manifestation and the wisdom of nature

Parvati, Namaste:) Being a Rebirthing it's my divine calling to

educate even the Masters of the trauma's of birth. Please don't take

this personally:) Your quote:

A brief explanation:

When the soul is born on earth its first _expression is a cry. Why

does it cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is all

strange to it. It finds itself in captivity.