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I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru

initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I

continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing

pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja

is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I

take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If

disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree

doing Chandi and Rudri.

 

, Srinath Ram Atreya

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> Srinath Ram Atreya <srinath_atreya> wrote:Fri, 26 Sep

2003 12:04:10 +0100 (BST)

> Srinath Ram Atreya

> Shree dhurgA sapthaShathi paaraayaNa kramam (Part 1)

> goddessdurga

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> mantra_tantra, srilalitha

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> || Jai Sadguru Dutta ||

>

>

>

> jayanthee mangalA kAlee Bhadhrakalee kapAlinee |

>

> dhurgA kShamA shivA DhAthree swAhA swaDhA namOsthuthE ||

>

>

>

> Navaraathri is the most auspicious time for dEvee upaasanam. Japam

of "dhurgaa or chandee navAkShari mantra" (the 9 lettered

mantra of

durgA) and paaraayaN of "sapthaShathi" (a text containing 700

verses)

is widely practiced. In mantra shAstra, "dhurgaa

sapthaShathi" is

highly revered. It is said that every "shloka" (verse) in

itself is

a "kalpa-vrksha", capable of fulfilling one's wishes.

Following are

some of the rules that has to be adhered to in order to get benefited

from the chanting of "sapthaShathi" :

>

>

>

> One should have been initiated into "navaakShri mantra"

by a

Guru. Without initiation, results might be disastarous. Also, one

should have completed chanting this mantra atleast 1 lakh times

(ideally 9 lakh times) before starting the PaaraayaNam of

sapthaShathi.

> All women – young or old should be treated as one's own

mother.

Those who fail in this aspect are said to earn Mother's wrath and

would fall in the "raurava naraka" (the cruelest of all

hells) after

death.

> "praayaSchittha thaamboolam" and "Guru

thaamboolam" should be

given to braahmans and one's own Guru (or Guru peeTas) before

starting the paaraayaNam. Consumption of "Pancha gavya" is

highly

beneficial for any sadhana. It frees us from our sins.

> The paaraayaNam should be started with appropriate

"sankalpa"

and "nyaasa"s.

> Every single second is auspicious during these 9 days. Hence the

mantra should be chanted as many times as possible. The 3

"sandhyaa"

(twilight) periods are best for paaraayaNam. However, it is also

highly auspicious to do the 4th paaraayaNam during late night (so as

to conclude just before 12'O clock).

> The sadhak should practice strict Celibecy in mind and body and

should not sleep during day time. Only light, "sAthwik" food

should

be partaken. Consuming only cow's milk helps attaining

"manthra

siddhi"

> After the preliminary rituals and Guru-Ganapathi prayers, A lamp

ignited with ghee (clarified butter) should be installed and

worshipped with "jvaalaa-maalinee manthra" . It is good to

have 5

wicks in the lamp. Once installed, it should not be disturbed for any

reason whatsoever until the paaraayaNam is over.

> A book containing the 700 verses should be necessarily used for

chanting, even if one has memorized all of them. Without the book,

the ritual won't bear fruits.

> The book should be wrapped in a piece of silk cloth and should

be treated sacredly. It should never be placed on the floor or

touched by others.

> One should never chant while holding the book in his hands.

The `X' shaped stand called "Vyaasa peeTam" should be

used.

> First, the book should be worshipped by invoking the Mother into

it in the form of "sapthaShathi saraswathi" by the mantra:

>

>

>

> "Om namah pishaacha nikarankini thrishoola Khadga hasthE

sinhaarooDhE EhyEhi, AgaChcha AgaChcha, imAm poojAm grNha grNha swAha

| "

>

> and the 5 "upachaara"s should be offered mentally and the

Divine

Mother should be offered salutions by displaying the "yOni

mudrA" in

the forehead. It is worthwhile to note here that the entire ritual is

emotional in nature – "BhAva praDhAna"

>

> The "sapthaShathi" should never be chanted mentally. One

should

chant it loudly and clearly. But the "navAkShari" should be

chanted

only mentally.

> Scratching, eating, drinking, thinking about others, yawning,

changing the place, shaking the body, laughing, crying etc should not

be done amidst the paaraayaNam. If due to some reason the chanting is

stopped in the middle, then shAnthi mantras and aparaadha kShamaapana

should be chanted and the paaraayaNam should be started afresh.

> Chanting uthkeelana mantra 21 times, chandika shApOdDhAra mantra

7 times and the navAkShari 108 times at the beginning and at the end

of each chapter is highly beneficial. The following

"sankalpa" should

be uttered at the beginning of each chapter:

>

> "mama iSta sidDhi prathibanDhaka dhOSha nivrthyarTham pATAdau

thaThA pATAnthE Ekavinshathi vAram uthkeelana mantram, sapthavAram

chadikA shapOdDhAra mantram taThA ashTOththara vAram navArNa manthra

japam aham kariShyE || "

>

> 15. At the end of every chapter, "kSheera tharpaNam" (milk

oblations) should be given with the moola manthra, over a lemon held

in the right hand with "ardha yOni mudrA". THE WORD

"ITHI" SHOULD NOT

BE UTTERED WHILE CONCLUDING A CHAPTER. INSTEAD "SWASTHI"

SHOULD BE

USED. For example: " swasthi shree mArkanDEya purANE soorya

sAvarNikE

manvantharE, dhEvee mAhAthmyE, maDhu-kaiTabha vaDhO nAma

praThamODhyAyah | shree jagadhambaarpaNamasthu || ".

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Namaste,

 

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same experience

chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my health

deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships

broke apart...

 

Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my

doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply

was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine

so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any

chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me

in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego,

etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day.

 

It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or

not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface

to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of

suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer

really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up

process.

 

With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough

times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some

karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though

truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone

all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human

shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.

 

Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated!

 

AUM

 

 

, "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote:

> I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru

> initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I

> continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing

> pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja

> is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I

> take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If

> disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady

tree

> doing C

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ers of our lower bodies to allow the goddess to come in through the

most appropriate channel. That's why everyone who reads the Chandi

has a different experience. The most remarkable thing about the

Chandi for me is how it is a manual of reality. Reality does the same

thing to us as the Chandi does. Maya herself is a form of Chandi Maa

and she provides us with a totally different path for blasting

through our outer walls. People, places, and things in nature

contrive to teach us about ourselves by sliding in through the cracks

in our walls. Most people (especially those who aren't spiritual)

think, "oh my gosh, I have a hole in my protective wall!" and they

get some brick and morter and patch up the holes that the light is

shining through. But mother Maya will find another opening and she

will show us the truth about our walls and what it is we're really

blocking out. And once we accept that she is teaching us, not only

will we let her break down the wall, but we'll begin clawing at it

from the inside and meet her half way.Sincerely,Brian--- On Fri

09/26, Rolando Santos < sivadancer > wrote:Rolando

Santos [ sivadancer ]To:

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:03:21

-0000 Re: Fwd: Shree dhurgA sapthaShathi

paaraayaNa kramam (Part 1)Namaste,I can't tell if you're being

sarcastic, but I had the same experience chanting from Kali Puja and

Shiva Puja without initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for

schooling fell apart, my relationships broke apart...Greatly

troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts

about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply was

somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine so

initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any

chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me

in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through.

Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego,

etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day.It is my

understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or not,

basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface to

be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of suffering

through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer really badly

through one or two more as a result of the speeding up process. With

a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough

times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some

karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though

truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone

all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human

shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.Any insights into this

matter of initiation are greatly appreciated!AUM--- In

, "rudran2" wrote:> I started doing the

Chandi four years ago without any guru > initiation, and yes some

diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > continue. My tech stocks

are close to worthless. While not doing > pujas from the Devi Mandir

books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > is the best thing that has

even come my way. It is something that I > take confort in. I hope to

puja my way right into the grave. If > disaster is still looking for

me, it can find me under the shady tree > doing

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ChrisRolando Santos <sivadancer > wrote:

Namaste,I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same

experience chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without

initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell

apart, my relationships broke apart...Greatly troubled, I remember

e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts about the efficacy

of chanting without initiation. The reply was somwthing to the effect

that you don't need it, that we are divine so initiation isn't

necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any chanting or puja I

have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me in the right

direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. Don't get me

wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, etc., but truly

it all seems to get better every day.It is my understanding that

chanting and puja, whether

initiated or not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to

the surface to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead

of suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer

really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up

process. With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through

the tough times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on

some karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" --

though truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with

everyone all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an

actual human shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.Any

insights into this matter of initiation are greatly

appreciated!AUM, "rudran2"

<stechiekov> wrote:> I started doing the Chandi four years ago

without any guru >

initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I >

continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing >

pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja >

is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I >

take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If >

disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree

> doing CTo from this group, send an email

to:Your use of

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I started with Ma and Ma only. We always initiate ourselves, but I do

have to admit, with Ma so gloriously haunting me, calling me, I could

not have survived what I did. When I began my worship, it was not

puja. It was all night tears and her name, not understanding why I

was so taken, but tears and prayers and more tears. I got so sick,

almost lost my job, moved out of my paternal house so that I could

cry and pray in my own privacy. My parents thought I had lost it.

How could Ma not hear me? I did not care what it looked like. I was

not superstitious about how to do it right. I only prayed for her. I

only wanted the highest and who was I to put a title on that? My

prayers had no words at times..... Did I need a Guru at this time?

Maa was my Guru the whole time. Eventually I was shown some amazing

breathing techniciques, meditation and chants and from there was

introduced to my Guru who is not in a body then or now. Still, my

sadhana was at times all night long, sleeping only 3-4 hours a night,

which is very easy when your doing alot of sadhana since the body wont

let you sleep. And this was without the aid of a physical Guru. Ma

taught me all on her own, although it was turbulent at times..

Recently I receieved a mantra from a physical Guru and that was

neccessary at the time, however, I was not used to Guru coming from

one person. That too has been a lesson. Maa keeps teaching me with

or without a Physical Guru. If your sincere, She is your Guru and

she will Hand Feed you, you can bet on it. She knows where we are at

and she provides fast if we are sincere. She is the MahaGuru and she

is the one driving this whole thing...when my life

gets turbulent after a prayerful time...then I know she is rocking my

world to teach me something and it's a total High, albeit the older I

get I sometimes say, "Again?? Did I pray for that? Maa! Easy!"

teehee...

But don't get me wrong on the need for Guru to come thru Swami's and

teachers and people and animals and EVERYTHING. That is how Guru

has always worked...for me:)

Guru comes thru all these emails from all of you.

I was actually told by a devotee that without getting a mantra from a

Guru that my puja's would 'Have No Power'... I noticed that after

diksa I started getting 'mental' about my worship and how it looked

and how it was perfect and how to this and how to that, that my

devotion was completely dry and ..... 'powerless'.... Had to let that

idea go....

My only advice... be sincere with God and circumspect about

superstition...it's a fetter to someone who is emotionally natured.

Ma has all sorts of Children:)

Glad to be among these wonderful devotee's who have lovely devotion

and experience to relate to. Thank you Maaa!!!! I am blessed!!!

Namaste everyone. Happy Navaratri:)

Rolando Santos <sivadancer > wrote:

Namaste,I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same

experience chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without

initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell

apart, my relationships broke apart...Greatly troubled, I remember

e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts about the efficacy

of chanting without initiation. The reply was somwthing to the effect

that you don't need it, that we are divine so initiation isn't

necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any chanting or puja I

have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me in the right

direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. Don't get me

wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, etc., but truly

it all seems to get better every day.It is my understanding that

chanting and puja, whether

initiated or not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to

the surface to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead

of suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer

really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up

process. With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through

the tough times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on

some karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" --

though truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with

everyone all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an

actual human shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.Any

insights into this matter of initiation are greatly

appreciated!AUM, "rudran2"

<stechiekov> wrote:> I started doing the Chandi four years ago

without any guru >

initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I >

continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing >

pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja >

is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I >

take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If >

disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree

> doing CTo from this group, send an email

to:Your use of

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Hi Rudran!

I'm curious: have you received guru initiation yet?

 

Are you really scavenging & picking cans?

 

Have you tried manipulating the Maya to better your lot?

 

Have you had your Vedic chart done?

 

Astraea

 

 

, "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote:

> I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru

> initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I

> continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing

> pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja

> is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I

> take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If

> disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady

tree

> doing Chandi and Rudri.

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Hi Rolando!

I've heard this too that sadhana accelerates karma. And that once you

start on your "true" spiritual path, things can change profoundly in

your life -- livelihood, relationships, life style, etc. That the

Shakti forcibly moves you into your "true" place. And sometimes that

means your life looks like it's falling apart at the seams.

 

It seems to me that chanting mantras can act as a shield to deflect

the worst of your karma. Things seem to go better if you're chanting.

 

Astraea

 

, "Rolando Santos"

<sivadancer> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same

experience

> chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my

health

> deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships

> broke apart...

>

> Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about

my

> doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply

> was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are

divine

> so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret

any

> chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead

me

> in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go

through.

> Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego,

> etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day.

>

> It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or

> not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the

surface

> to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of

> suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer

> really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up

> process.

>

> With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the

tough

> times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some

> karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" --

though

> truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone

> all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human

> shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.

>

> Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated!

>

> AUM

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Brian,

It's true that until you have mastery you can't control everything,

but you can control some things. Mastering the techniques for control

is not easy, but I believe it can be done.

 

I agree that there is no separation between what is happening in

one's outer life and what's happening in one's inner life. The Maya

is a mirror. The chief difficulty is gaining control of one's own

mind -- the "drunken monkey".

 

It's interesting to me that you think experiencing one's karma fully

is necessary. Homas, yagnas, rituals of various sorts, mantras,

gemstones, yantras can all be used to mitigate one's karma.

 

Astraea

 

, "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote:

".... So the trick to dealing with hardship is to realize that we

can't stop it from happening, but we can control how we react to

it..... People, places, and things in nature contrive to teach us

about ourselves by sliding in through the cracks in our walls. Most

people (especially those who aren't spiritual) think, "oh my gosh, I

have a hole in my protective wall!" and they get some brick and

morter and patch up the holes that the light is shining through."

 

Brian

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Hi Astraea

 

Comments are inserted.

 

At 08:55 AM 10/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Brian,

>It's true that until you have mastery you can't control everything,

>but you can control some things. Mastering the techniques for control

>is not easy, but I believe it can be done.

>

>I agree that there is no separation between what is happening in

>one's outer life and what's happening in one's inner life. The Maya

>is a mirror. The chief difficulty is gaining control of one's own

>mind -- the "drunken monkey".

 

I actually don't think its really a drunken or babbling monkey, it just

appears that way. I think the thoughts are really the minds process of

healing itself and when it experiences all the "wound" or "affliction"

based thoughts to their full completion it will be healed and not need to

experience more thoughts. I think the reason we have problems with our

minds is that we react to that healing process much in the same way we

react to emotional healing, or even sometimes to physical healing.

 

I have learned that my drunken monkey will continue babbling and may

continue babbling for the rest of my life, but it doesn't matter because I

am not my drunken monkey. I am something much bigger than that and by

keeping my focus on myself and not on the lower four bodies, they are free

to do as they please and from my perspective that is to heal.

 

>It's interesting to me that you think experiencing one's karma fully

>is necessary. Homas, yagnas, rituals of various sorts, mantras,

>gemstones, yantras can all be used to mitigate one's karma.

 

I'm being very frank here and not intending be harsh. I can feel your

sincerity and this is not meant to upset you, I'm just presenting my strong

opinions on the subject.

 

There is no mitigation. Period. The karma must be fulfilled. Even when a

master takes your karma for you there is karma to the master.

 

The rituals don't actually eliminate the karma, they just deliver it to us

internally so it can do its work directly on us, instead of having it

appear in our lives as prarabda it appears within us directly modifying us

and making us more whole and conscious. Doing the work outside is the same

as doing the work inside.

 

I feel people wish to mitigate their karma because modern man has fallen

under the spell that negative things are bad and positive things are good.

Or sometimes that negative things are good and that positive things are bad.

 

In reality there is no judgement on who we are by god and we should have no

judgement on what happens to us. We are destined to have many things happen

to us, we signed up for it when we accepted this life as our own, and to

think that karma is bad or good is a judgement on god for the rules of the

universe.

 

Karma exists, just like god exists. And the sooner we accept that karma

happens, the sooner we can begin allowing it to heal us and make us whole.

It is part of the grand spiritual scheme created by god. And to wish to

sidestep it makes no sense to me. Karma is not bad it is not good, it just is.

 

This is of courses just my perspective. And you are the person who sparked

the discussion.

 

Thanks.

 

*hugs*

 

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No I have not recieved guru diksha. Yes I do collect aluminum,

platic bottles and even some glass bottles in parks.

 

Maya tends to manipulate me. If anything, puja is likely to better my

lot, but I do like to seva.

 

Some years back I had a Vedic chart done. It indicates long life. The

Nasdaq chart of these opening years of the 21st century has been

brutal. They are enough to drive me to almost daily Chandi and on

some days multiple Chandies. I really feel good at the completion

of Chandi pujas.

 

 

 

 

, "astraea2003" <astraea2003>

wrote:

> Hi Rudran!

> I'm curious: have you received guru initiation yet?

>

> Are you really scavenging & picking cans?

>

> Have you tried manipulating the Maya to better your lot?

>

> Have you had your Vedic chart done?

>

> Astraea

>

>

> , "rudran2" <stechiekov>

wrote:

> > I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru

> > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I

> > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing

> > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans.

Puja

> > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that

I

> > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If

> > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady

> tree

> > doing Chandi and Rudri.

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