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Brian,

 

A very lovely article. I write with alot of passion so I hope this

comes accross correctly..It's nice to see yogi's with knowledge

of psychology. In my experience, not very many have much knowlegde

about the subject and have prefered to cling to overly simple

ideologies that stem from religion. By religion, I mean the

superficial fundamentals that God will take all the pain away and we

only need to focus on God. Well, that is a good thing to do, don't

get me wrong but we have to be careful not to fall into the Pollyanna

Complex...

 

LOVE brings up anything unlike itself to be healed. This is the part

that I have witnessed most spritual practitioners or yogi's/yogini's

to ignore, deny or supress. The material that comes up in the

process of self reflection and in finding self love again can be

overwhelming especially when our 'Ego's'' and our 'Yogi Ego's' want

so badly to appear perfect. In the beginnning we believe Spiritual

people are supposed to be centered and grounded and so we try and

look like that so we can be spiritual...however that is all

appearances. The material coming up most likely is a Gem from Ma in

answering our prayers to pull us closer... and most I have witnessed

who do not have emotional knowledge seem to think the proper burial

of this material is more Godly, when in fact it's Fear. I've seen

the most revered people in communities bury, repress, supress and

then oppress others because they will not let the process of

purification unfold because of what 'It Looks Like' especially when

they are leading others. What we suppress and repress in ourselves,

we will start to oppress in others and this is violence... albeit

unconscious, but violent behavior thru unawareness.

 

You mention "The Truth hurts". I've always found the opposite to be

true. The Truth heals, it's the wound that hurts and the wound is

very open in the beginning. The truth is the knife that slices the

Lie open to be revealed for what it is...a Lie. Usually this is when

the emotional material comes up to wash away the infection (tears).

The Truth when embraced continues to heal the wound. Eventually,

with Understanding, one can relax into the Truth and then be High on

love all the time. You mentioned Love is to be attained to... When

we embrace the Truth, WE ARE LOVE just as GOD IS. In my path, the

True Healing of separation is what is to be worked toward so we can

uncover the Truth that is already there and that is, We Are Love.

 

Have you noticed in relationships that the more love and safety there

is, the more unhealed material arises to be healed? It's a

purification process when all our relationships are divine. People

are always on their best behavior when there is no safety, since we

fear judgement. Once we feel emotionally safe, our guards come down

and the purification comes and we should embrace it even though it

feels horrible at times. These are gifts to be embraced to help us

transform. We cannot transform something we are in denial of. This

will also teach us surrendering.

 

The very thing to be healed is the belief of separation and death.

This is the Lie. If you notice our relationships with others are

reflections of our relationships with the Divine. Look closely. How

often do we create a co-dependant relationship with God? We mirror

the same dynamics with God that we do our parents and lovers. Our

parents ARE GOD to us when we are infants and what they do forms our

beliefs about who we are. Once we learn of God when we can

communicate, then becomes the dysfunction of what our parents and

sunday school teachers taught and we have to admit, most of us were

taught by people who's lives and relationships were a mess and who

had very distorted views of what God is or how we should relate to

God. This all needs to be healed if we are to attain the Highest.

 

For me the Truth Heals and feels Gooooood and We Are Love. Om Tat

Sat. Namaste.

Kelly

 

 

, "btmckee1967" <brian@s...> wrote:

> Swamiji has asked me to start a discussion on the nature of love.

>

> Seeing as how English is horrible at discussing anything of an

> emotional nature (I think because its created by people of an

> intelectual nature), I'm going to have to introduce to you the

> language I have developed for myself to relate my feelings into

> English. The best way I know to do that is to talk about my two

> favorite subjects: love and co-dependence.

>

> Why this discussion?

>

> I think the nature of love is the biggest misunderstanding of

> humanity. By misunderstanding I don't mean at a mental level, I

mean

> at the level of our being or at least at the level of the being

that

> projects itself into reality. It is important that I separate mind

> and emotion and set them as equals because many people today are of

> the opinion that one or the other is better or more correct. That

> simply isn't true in my experience. Mind and emotions are different

> aspects of who we are, just as is our physical body, but they are

> merely vehicles which transports our consciousness and allows it to

> interact with reality. ("reality" is the biggest misnomer in the

> language, maya is much more accurate).

>

> I don't know sanskrit but I suspect this is all very well explained

> in Sanscrit. It's good that I only know English though because that

> way I have to figure out a way to explain myself, thus I have to

> connect more strongly with my feelings and thoughts to express them

> in words.

>

> Love is the most misunderstood principal of humanity because of one

> simple half truth that we all were taught. They say that love is

the

> ultimate of human experience, and that's true, but then they tell

us

> how to go out and get love, how to make love, how to earn love, and

> how to offer love. The how part is the lie. The full truth is: love

> is attainable within ourselves and there is absolutely no need to

> interact with anyone in reality to feel / receive / express love.

>

> Love only has one form. If someone tells you that they know

> the "highest" form of love, you can safely ignore them, because

they

> are trying to sell you something, and chances are you won't like

the

> cost.

>

> Love's form is uncompromising, it is eternal and absolute. It is

> free, infinitely available and can be obtained directly from the

> source (we call her Maa). When we receive love from Goddess or from

> any individualized aspect of her (aka each other), then we feel it

> as if it were directly from her, the only difference is that when

> given by another we see a reflection of the goddess in them, not

the

> goddess herself (this is subjective love, still pure, and

> differentiated only by the aspect presenting it).

>

> Love is given without attachment, without any demand for anything

in

> return. Love is given without expectation. Anything given to you by

> someone with expectation, attachment, need, desire, thought, or

> feeling, can be called something else, but it cannot be called

Love.

> I choose to call it co-dependence because it suits my understanding.

>

> There is one striking theme among humanity, it is explained very

> well in a book called, "The Celestine Prophesy," by James Redfield.

> However his solution is somewhat fanciful and impractical in my

> opinion because it doesn't deal with the intense emotions that have

> been born out of the theme.

>

> We are taught from day one that love is the ultimate goal (truth),

> and then they add, "if you aren't loved you aren't worth anything."

> (lie). This is not verbally stated, but is actually showed to us by

> the example of our parents, close family, and society at large.

>

> From this "affliction" <- my term, we have one of two reactions

> which, as infants we have zero control over. Our natures and our

> parents natures determine our reaction and until we are old enough

> to gain some consciousness we cannot stop ourselves from carrying

> this affliction and acting unconsciously on it.

>

> The interplay of the unconscious (personality #2 according to Jung,

> I prefer to think of it as the light of god[dess], or my soul), is

> to force us to act on these false beliefs, to cause us to prove,

> within reality, to ourselves that love is not something that can be

> found in reality (life's irony). And we are driven by that innner

> truth to witness it, to acknowledge it, to realize it.

>

> The reactions we have to that unconscious desire to witness the

> truth are what the world see as co-dependence. There are two

> extremes. The first is: introvertedness, where we go into our heads

> and hide from the world and hope that someone will come and love us

> to save us from ourselves. The second is extrovertedness, where we

> go out into the world and try to find the love we think we need to

> fill the void created by the lie.

>

> Each reaction is a form of denial. The simple fact is: the truth

> hurts. We really don't want to know how messed up we are so we deny

> the truth, and seek ways to distract ourselves from it. All you

have

> to do is watch your daily activities to witness distractions in

> action.

>

> There are obvious ones like TV, music, games, drugs, alcohol, etc.

>

> But there are many not-so-obvious ones. Some people even use God to

> hide from the truth.

>

> Don't get me wrong, anything can be utilized for our good or used

> for our distraction (notice the similarity between that word and

the

> word destruction). Some have more benefit than others. We can do

> anything with consciousness and learn from it, likewise we can do

> anything seeking distraction and make it useless to us.

>

> Those who are not on a spirtual mission in this life will not have

> any problems denying the truth. Some of them call

> themselves "normal," and call those of us who are driven to

> distraction, "abnormal." I am not very fond of the way those kind

of

> people think, but luckily I don't meet many of them.

>

> Those not on a spiritual mission will allow themselves to fit very

> nicely with their main affliction and will spend their entire life

> unconsciously trying to satisfy their needs. They will be driven by

> their needs to use people to acquire the things they think they

need

> to survive, to be happy, to become "magically" whole. They will

> however, never find wholeness (holiness) unless they face the

truth.

> The sociopaths in our society, the ones who never formed an

> emotional bond with their parents, themselves, or the source will

> feel no remorse over using others and will find denial almost as

> easy as breathing.

>

> I could continue to expand outward to all the outer effects of

> humanity's core affliction, but I best stick to the subject.

>

> Love, by my definition, exterminates all affliction. Love is truth,

> truth is love and love of truth is the highest activity we can

> perform as seva to goddess. However, those who would recognize

> truths about others in deference to recognizing their inner truth

> have found yet another distraction. Truth is an internal expression

> of unity with god. Affliction is the condition by which we are

> separated from the truth. And it exists only because we are taught

> that its real and thus because we believe it, it is.

>

> A few years ago I made a commitment to myself. I decided

consciously

> (as consciously as I could) that I would find a way to love

> everything the way that god loves me.

>

> Before you think, "oh that's obvious," realize that I KNOW (now)

> WHAT IT MEANS. Do you?

>

> It means that you cannot hate anyone for any reason no matter what

> they've done.

>

> It means that you cannot dislike anyone for any reason no matter

> what they've done.

>

> It means that you have to love yourself, ALL OF YOURSELF, even the

> parts you don't like and don't want to admit you have.

>

> It means that no matter how badly you feel in any given moment of

> the day, no matter what you've experienced, no matter how many of

> your "buttons," have been pushed, no matter how horrible everyone

> has been treating you, no matter how badly your karmic fruit has

> been pouring down on your head, you must love everyone as god loves

> you.

>

> That means that if a person deliberately cuts you off on the road,

> or unconsciously pulls a bone head maneuver that almost gets you

> killed, you can only love them you are not allowed to express

toward

> them anything but that love.

>

> THINK ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS.

>

> THINK ABOUT THE FEELINGS YOU'LL HAVE RAGING INSIDE YOU.

>

> When I made that decision I really didn't know what I had done.

>

> And now I'm really just begining to get it.

>

> When someone through misjudgement, error, or just downright

> negativity decides to be unkind to me, I have to stop my reactions

> to their activity and let myself feel the emotions of the pain of

> the affliction that equates their actions to my lack of self esteem.

>

> I was taught -- by example -- that if someone treats me badly, then

> it must be my fault. Another word to describe it is guilt.

>

> My reaction is to go inward and blame myself.

>

> The opposite reaction is to project outward and blame the person.

>

> Neither reaction is healthy. In fact the only healthy reaction is

NO

> reaction.

>

> Committing yourself to a path of Love is a committment to truth and

> to behaving like everyone around you is god and loving them just

> like god loves us.

>

> Its also about loving yourself like god loves you. A lot of people

> can love others but find it hard to accept and love themselves at

> face value. They think "oh if only I was ..." or "oh if only I

> wasn't ..." That isn't self love. The only way to begin to grow

into

> our soul, or as I like to say express our soul into reality is to

> admit all of our faults and foibles, to accept them and to love

them

> and ourselves anyway. It is only through that admition of truth

that

> we can consciously take control of them, incorporate them back into

> our beings and find out where they came from and what they were

> before we bent them into unhealthy shapes.

>

> I have learned that loving others without loving yourself first is

> just another form of co-dependence, because even if you don't know

> it, when you give love to others without having first filled

> yourself up, without connecting with yourself and at least

accepting

> yourself for where you are, you are giving love with expectation.

> The expectation is: they won't hurt me with the truth about myself.

>

> This is already way too long. I can't find any way to distill this

> subject matter because its so very complex. Its amazing how our

> minds will make something complex to avoid seeing it in full light.

> As if the truth could be twisted around enough to cast enough

shadow

> so that not all of it would be illumined by the light of wisdom.

>

> What I'm describing here is what we've done to ourselves to avoid

> seeing how little love we actually feel in our day to day lives.

>

> My next topic will be Buttons, how to not react, how to disconnect

> and how to utilize them for consciousness.

>

> Please contribute, ask for clarification, argue, what ever. I like

> fleshing out my ideas and feelings. Ultimately my ideas and

feelings

> are given to me by my soul and by life as the ultimate

> representation of my becoming whole with God(dess).

>

> *hugs* for my Devi Mandir family,

>

> Brian

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Wonderful reply, thank you. My comments are inserted...

 

At 03:38 AM 9/24/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Brian,

>

>A very lovely article. I write with alot of passion so I hope this

>comes accross correctly..It's nice to see yogi's with knowledge

 

I'm not a Yogi. I'm an engineer and a house holder. Well maybe I am, I

guess I'll have to ask Swamiji what a Yogi is.

 

I just keep thinking, "Hey Boo Boo! Why don't you help me round up a pica'

nick basket?"

>of psychology. In my experience, not very many have much knowlegde

>about the subject and have prefered to cling to overly simple

>ideologies that stem from religion. By religion, I mean the

>superficial fundamentals that God will take all the pain away and we

>only need to focus on God. Well, that is a good thing to do, don't

>get me wrong but we have to be careful not to fall into the Pollyanna

>Complex...

>

>LOVE brings up anything unlike itself to be healed. This is the part

 

This is the best way I've seen it described, thank you very much.

>that I have witnessed most spritual practitioners or yogi's/yogini's

>to ignore, deny or supress. The material that comes up in the

>process of self reflection and in finding self love again can be

>overwhelming especially when our 'Ego's'' and our 'Yogi Ego's' want

>so badly to appear perfect. In the beginnning we believe Spiritual

>people are supposed to be centered and grounded and so we try and

>look like that so we can be spiritual...however that is all

>appearances. The material coming up most likely is a Gem from Ma in

>answering our prayers to pull us closer... and most I have witnessed

>who do not have emotional knowledge seem to think the proper burial

>of this material is more Godly, when in fact it's Fear. I've seen

>the most revered people in communities bury, repress, supress and

>then oppress others because they will not let the process of

>purification unfold because of what 'It Looks Like' especially when

>they are leading others. What we suppress and repress in ourselves,

>we will start to oppress in others and this is violence... albeit

>unconscious, but violent behavior thru unawareness.

 

I totally understand this. People react to the feelings and thoughts that

are brought up by consciousness with fear and that reaction slows the

healing process. The thrust themselves deeper into denial to be something

that they are not. They deny the part of themselves that need healing,

giving it only one outlet, the unconscious.

 

>You mention "The Truth hurts". I've always found the opposite to be

>true. The Truth heals, it's the wound that hurts and the wound is

>very open in the beginning. The truth is the knife that slices the

 

This is a very good point. I was writing the "truth hurts" from the

perspective of the reluctant student -- people who don't want to feel the

hurt. The truth really just makes us aware of the wound, its like removing

a flesh colored, Novocaine bandage from a festering wound. Hell yeah its

going to hurt, but it needs to hurt to heal. The analogy I tell people form

time to time is: emotion is like the blood of the emotional body, and

likewise thought is the blood of the mind. In our bodies when we are cut,

the cut bleeds to allow the healing to begin and the wound hurts to tell us

to be gentle with the area and to tell our bodies where to send the healing

energy. Emotions and thoughts are exactly the same thing for our emotional

and mental bodies. If we have an emotion or a thought its goal is to heal

us of some abrasion.

 

But most people don't see it that way. They think feelings are irrational

and that thoughts are rational and logical. They think that just because a

thought can lead logically to another thought that the thought is somehow

better for them than the emotion, and worse than that they suppress their

emotions and try to develop their thoughts. This of course throws the

workings of the lower bodies out of balance and you end up with

intellectuals (people who have underdeveloped emotional bodies and over

developed / wounded mental bodies.)

>Lie open to be revealed for what it is...a Lie. Usually this is when

>the emotional material comes up to wash away the infection (tears).

>The Truth when embraced continues to heal the wound. Eventually,

>with Understanding, one can relax into the Truth and then be High on

>love all the time. You mentioned Love is to be attained to... When

>we embrace the Truth, WE ARE LOVE just as GOD IS. In my path, the

>True Healing of separation is what is to be worked toward so we can

>uncover the Truth that is already there and that is, We Are Love.

 

I think we are more than love, but I certainly understand the sentiment.

For me love is energy and like Swamiji taught me about the greeting

"Namaste," with all my energy and consciousness I bow to the divinity

within you. I believe we are energy and consciousness.

 

I think its important to realize that there is a higher mind that is just

as important as Love (with a capital L).

 

>Have you noticed in relationships that the more love and safety there

>is, the more unhealed material arises to be healed? It's a

 

Yes. And have you noticed how people who want to stay in denial require

others to accept their co-dependent behavior as normal and healthy all the

while they are just playing out a reoccurring drama that they learned in

childhood?

 

The issues come to the surface because they must. An unconscious individual

will not question the feelings, but will instead react to them in the way

they are accustomed to do so. For example, an angry person will project the

anger outward causing either anger or aloofness in those around them.

Either way the person feels emotionally comfortable and is pacified of

their internal fears and hurts. They don't have to face them because they

can put the blame on someone else. "I'm in a crappy mood because so and so

did this to me," or "geez I'm just trying to share what a crappy day I'm

having and so and so got angry over nothing."

 

To stand up to the negativity and the old patterns and stop the reaction

within the seeker, the power of love along with the power of consciousness

must be present, you have to have both to confront the darkness within

people or yourself because consciousness brings you to awareness of what is

really happening and love is the tool by which consciousness is transmitted

and healing accomplished. Once the reaction is stopped, the desired

feedback is not given, the transmitter of the negative emotion (whether

within us or a person separate from us) is not qualified with the feelings

he or she expects and is left confused. That confusion is where

consciousness can slip in and where love from the seeker can expose the

wound the negative person is concealing. If the wound is internal, healing

will begin as soon as the pain is felt. The pitfall is to react to the pain

with negativity. "I don't deserve this!" or "Why can't I just let go of it

all NOW!"

>purification process when all our relationships are divine. People

>are always on their best behavior when there is no safety, since we

>fear judgement. Once we feel emotionally safe, our guards come down

>and the purification comes and we should embrace it even though it

>feels horrible at times. These are gifts to be embraced to help us

 

Almost no one I know will allow themselves to believe this. Its the core of

my understanding. Just because you feel horrible, doesn't mean you are

horrible. And just because your feel crazy or think crazy thoughts doesn't

mean you are crazy, its just part of the healing process and everyone goes

through something completely unique to them. It is not possible for one

person to be normal and another to be abnormal, we are all unique.

>transform. We cannot transform something we are in denial of. This

 

Exactly.

>will also teach us surrendering.

>

>The very thing to be healed is the belief of separation and death.

>This is the Lie. If you notice our relationships with others are

>reflections of our relationships with the Divine. Look closely. How

>often do we create a co-dependant relationship with God? We mirror

 

Exactly! People expect God to do things for them, thus they don't Love God,

they are in codependence with god. And god doesn't do codependence, she

can't so she just loves us and hopes that we'll see that we are the only

thing limiting our relationship with her.

>the same dynamics with God that we do our parents and lovers. Our

>parents ARE GOD to us when we are infants and what they do forms our

>beliefs about who we are. Once we learn of God when we can

>communicate, then becomes the dysfunction of what our parents and

>sunday school teachers taught and we have to admit, most of us were

>taught by people who's lives and relationships were a mess and who

>had very distorted views of what God is or how we should relate to

>God. This all needs to be healed if we are to attain the Highest.

 

And that is the spiritual path from my perspective. Connecting with the

truth that is our true nature.

 

>For me the Truth Heals and feels Gooooood and We Are Love. Om Tat

 

And consciousness too!

 

Thanks much Kelly. Good conversation.

 

Jai Maa,

 

Brian

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Yogi Brian:) Namaste.

 

I can't tell you how wonderful it was last night

to read your comments back to me. It's not often

I come across people who are knowledgable of the

emotional body and what heals it.

 

Sometimes I see the emotional body like the undertow

in the ocean. The unconsious emotions we bury and unquestioned

beliefs we call our own are the undertow and run the main currents in

our life. They are what truely run our thoughts and lives. The

surface waters I see are the emotions influenced

by action and reaction. The surface is a very small part of the power

of the emotional body. When the undertow is healed by diving deep

into buried material, that undertow can become a huge force for Love

and consciousness that assists us in becoming loving, aware beings.

 

Thank you for your analogies. Since my work is emotional healing

thru Rebirthing, your analogy of emotions being the blood of the

emotional body and so forth were great. If you don't mind, I'm going

to use that in my practice.

 

And if you ask me, you are a Yogi. You think beyond the obvious in

order to understand so that your awareness is united in union, so you

are Yogi..

 

Blessings to you. Have a good day. Namaste.

Kelly

 

 

 

, Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote:

> Wonderful reply, thank you. My comments are inserted...

>

> At 03:38 AM 9/24/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >Brian,

> >

> >A very lovely article. I write with alot of passion so I hope this

> >comes accross correctly..It's nice to see yogi's with knowledge

>

> I'm not a Yogi. I'm an engineer and a house holder. Well maybe I

am, I

> guess I'll have to ask Swamiji what a Yogi is.

>

> I just keep thinking, "Hey Boo Boo! Why don't you help me round up

a pica'

> nick basket?"

>

> >of psychology. In my experience, not very many have much knowlegde

> >about the subject and have prefered to cling to overly simple

> >ideologies that stem from religion. By religion, I mean the

> >superficial fundamentals that God will take all the pain away and

we

> >only need to focus on God. Well, that is a good thing to do, don't

> >get me wrong but we have to be careful not to fall into the

Pollyanna

> >Complex...

> >

> >LOVE brings up anything unlike itself to be healed. This is the

part

>

> This is the best way I've seen it described, thank you very much.

>

> >that I have witnessed most spritual practitioners or

yogi's/yogini's

> >to ignore, deny or supress. The material that comes up in the

> >process of self reflection and in finding self love again can be

> >overwhelming especially when our 'Ego's'' and our 'Yogi Ego's' want

> >so badly to appear perfect. In the beginnning we believe Spiritual

> >people are supposed to be centered and grounded and so we try and

> >look like that so we can be spiritual...however that is all

> >appearances. The material coming up most likely is a Gem from Ma

in

> >answering our prayers to pull us closer... and most I have

witnessed

> >who do not have emotional knowledge seem to think the proper burial

> >of this material is more Godly, when in fact it's Fear. I've seen

> >the most revered people in communities bury, repress, supress and

> >then oppress others because they will not let the process of

> >purification unfold because of what 'It Looks Like' especially when

> >they are leading others. What we suppress and repress in

ourselves,

> >we will start to oppress in others and this is violence... albeit

> >unconscious, but violent behavior thru unawareness.

>

> I totally understand this. People react to the feelings and

thoughts that

> are brought up by consciousness with fear and that reaction slows

the

> healing process. The thrust themselves deeper into denial to be

something

> that they are not. They deny the part of themselves that need

healing,

> giving it only one outlet, the unconscious.

>

>

> >You mention "The Truth hurts". I've always found the opposite to

be

> >true. The Truth heals, it's the wound that hurts and the wound is

> >very open in the beginning. The truth is the knife that slices the

>

> This is a very good point. I was writing the "truth hurts" from the

> perspective of the reluctant student -- people who don't want to

feel the

> hurt. The truth really just makes us aware of the wound, its like

removing

> a flesh colored, Novocaine bandage from a festering wound. Hell

yeah its

> going to hurt, but it needs to hurt to heal. The analogy I tell

people form

> time to time is: emotion is like the blood of the emotional body,

and

> likewise thought is the blood of the mind. In our bodies when we

are cut,

> the cut bleeds to allow the healing to begin and the wound hurts to

tell us

> to be gentle with the area and to tell our bodies where to send the

healing

> energy. Emotions and thoughts are exactly the same thing for our

emotional

> and mental bodies. If we have an emotion or a thought its goal is

to heal

> us of some abrasion.

>

> But most people don't see it that way. They think feelings are

irrational

> and that thoughts are rational and logical. They think that just

because a

> thought can lead logically to another thought that the thought is

somehow

> better for them than the emotion, and worse than that they suppress

their

> emotions and try to develop their thoughts. This of course throws

the

> workings of the lower bodies out of balance and you end up with

> intellectuals (people who have underdeveloped emotional bodies and

over

> developed / wounded mental bodies.)

>

> >Lie open to be revealed for what it is...a Lie. Usually this is

when

> >the emotional material comes up to wash away the infection (tears).

> >The Truth when embraced continues to heal the wound. Eventually,

> >with Understanding, one can relax into the Truth and then be High

on

> >love all the time. You mentioned Love is to be attained to... When

> >we embrace the Truth, WE ARE LOVE just as GOD IS. In my path, the

> >True Healing of separation is what is to be worked toward so we can

> >uncover the Truth that is already there and that is, We Are Love.

>

> I think we are more than love, but I certainly understand the

sentiment.

> For me love is energy and like Swamiji taught me about the greeting

> "Namaste," with all my energy and consciousness I bow to the

divinity

> within you. I believe we are energy and consciousness.

>

> I think its important to realize that there is a higher mind that

is just

> as important as Love (with a capital L).

>

>

> >Have you noticed in relationships that the more love and safety

there

> >is, the more unhealed material arises to be healed? It's a

>

> Yes. And have you noticed how people who want to stay in denial

require

> others to accept their co-dependent behavior as normal and healthy

all the

> while they are just playing out a reoccurring drama that they

learned in

> childhood?

>

> The issues come to the surface because they must. An unconscious

individual

> will not question the feelings, but will instead react to them in

the way

> they are accustomed to do so. For example, an angry person will

project the

> anger outward causing either anger or aloofness in those around

them.

> Either way the person feels emotionally comfortable and is pacified

of

> their internal fears and hurts. They don't have to face them

because they

> can put the blame on someone else. "I'm in a crappy mood because so

and so

> did this to me," or "geez I'm just trying to share what a crappy

day I'm

> having and so and so got angry over nothing."

>

> To stand up to the negativity and the old patterns and stop the

reaction

> within the seeker, the power of love along with the power of

consciousness

> must be present, you have to have both to confront the darkness

within

> people or yourself because consciousness brings you to awareness of

what is

> really happening and love is the tool by which consciousness is

transmitted

> and healing accomplished. Once the reaction is stopped, the desired

> feedback is not given, the transmitter of the negative emotion

(whether

> within us or a person separate from us) is not qualified with the

feelings

> he or she expects and is left confused. That confusion is where

> consciousness can slip in and where love from the seeker can expose

the

> wound the negative person is concealing. If the wound is internal,

healing

> will begin as soon as the pain is felt. The pitfall is to react to

the pain

> with negativity. "I don't deserve this!" or "Why can't I just let

go of it

> all NOW!"

>

> >purification process when all our relationships are divine. People

> >are always on their best behavior when there is no safety, since we

> >fear judgement. Once we feel emotionally safe, our guards come

down

> >and the purification comes and we should embrace it even though it

> >feels horrible at times. These are gifts to be embraced to help us

>

> Almost no one I know will allow themselves to believe this. Its the

core of

> my understanding. Just because you feel horrible, doesn't mean you

are

> horrible. And just because your feel crazy or think crazy thoughts

doesn't

> mean you are crazy, its just part of the healing process and

everyone goes

> through something completely unique to them. It is not possible for

one

> person to be normal and another to be abnormal, we are all unique.

>

> >transform. We cannot transform something we are in denial of.

This

>

> Exactly.

>

> >will also teach us surrendering.

> >

> >The very thing to be healed is the belief of separation and death.

> >This is the Lie. If you notice our relationships with others are

> >reflections of our relationships with the Divine. Look closely.

How

> >often do we create a co-dependant relationship with God? We mirror

>

> Exactly! People expect God to do things for them, thus they don't

Love God,

> they are in codependence with god. And god doesn't do codependence,

she

> can't so she just loves us and hopes that we'll see that we are the

only

> thing limiting our relationship with her.

>

> >the same dynamics with God that we do our parents and lovers. Our

> >parents ARE GOD to us when we are infants and what they do forms

our

> >beliefs about who we are. Once we learn of God when we can

> >communicate, then becomes the dysfunction of what our parents and

> >sunday school teachers taught and we have to admit, most of us were

> >taught by people who's lives and relationships were a mess and who

> >had very distorted views of what God is or how we should relate to

> >God. This all needs to be healed if we are to attain the Highest.

>

> And that is the spiritual path from my perspective. Connecting with

the

> truth that is our true nature.

>

>

> >For me the Truth Heals and feels Gooooood and We Are Love. Om Tat

>

> And consciousness too!

>

> Thanks much Kelly. Good conversation.

>

> Jai Maa,

>

> Brian

>

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any demand for anything in>return. Love is given without expectation.

Anything given to you by>someone with expectation, attachment, need,

desire, thought, or>feeling, can be called something else, but it

cannot be called Love.>I choose to call it co-dependence because it

suits my understanding.>>There is one striking theme among humanity,

it is explained very>well in a book called, "The Celestine Prophesy,"

by James Redfield.>However his solution is somewhat fanciful and

impractical in my>opinion because it doesn't deal with the intense

emotions that have>been born out of the theme.>>We are taught from

day one that love is the ultimate goal (truth),>and then they add,

"if you aren't loved you aren't worth anything.">(lie). This is not

verbally stated, but is actually showed to us by>the example of our

parents, close family, and society at large.>>From this "affliction"

<- my term, we have one of two reactions>which, as infants we have

zero control over. Our natures and our>parents natures determine our

reaction and until we are old enough>to gain some consciousness we

cannot stop ourselves from carrying>this affliction and acting

unconsciously on it.>>The interplay of the unconscious (personality

#2 according to Jung,>I prefer to think of it as the light of

god[dess], or my soul), is>to force us to act on these false beliefs,

to cause us to prove,>within reality, to ourselves that love is not

something that can be>found in reality (life's irony). And we are

driven by that innner>truth to witness it, to acknowledge it, to

realize it.>>The reactions we have to that unconscious desire to

witness the>truth are what the world see as co-dependence. There are

two>extremes. The first is: introvertedness, where we go into our

heads>and hide from the world and hope that someone will come and

love us>to save us from ourselves. The second is extrovertedness,

where we>go out into the world and try to find the love we think we

need to>fill the void created by the lie.>>Each reaction is a form of

denial. The simple fact is: the truth>hurts. We really don't want to

know how messed up we are so we deny>the truth, and seek ways to

distract ourselves from it. All you have>to do is watch your daily

activities to witness distractions in>action.>>There are obvious ones

like TV, music, games, drugs, alcohol, etc.>>But there are many

not-so-obvious ones. Some people even use God to>hide from the

truth.>>Don't get me wrong, anything can be utilized for our good or

used>for our distraction (notice the similarity between that word and

the>word destruction). Some have more benefit than others. We can

do>anything with consciousness and learn from it, likewise we can

do>anything seeking distraction and make it useless to us.>>Those who

are not on a spirtual mission in this life will not have>any problems

denying the truth. Some of them call>themselves "normal," and call

those of us who are driven to>distraction, "abnormal." I am not very

fond of the way those kind of>people think, but luckily I don't meet

many of them.>>Those not on a spiritual mission will allow themselves

to fit very>nicely with their main affliction and will spend their

entire life>unconsciously trying to satisfy their needs. They will be

driven by>their needs to use people to acquire the things they think

they need>to survive, to be happy, to become "magically" whole. They

will>however, never find wholeness (holiness) unless they face the

truth.>The sociopaths in our society, the ones who never formed

an>emotional bond with their parents, themselves, or the source

will>feel no remorse over using othe

rs and will find denial almost as>easy as breathing.>>I could continue

to expand outward to all the outer effects of>humanity's core

affliction, but I best stick to the subject.>>Love, by my definition,

exterminates all affliction. Love is truth,>truth is love and love of

truth is the highest activity we can>perform as seva to goddess.

However, those who would recognize>truths about others in deference

to recognizing their inner truth>have found yet another distraction.

Truth is an internal expression>of unity with god. Affliction is the

condition by which we are>separated from the truth. And it exists

only because we are taught>that its real and thus because we believe

it, it is.>>A few years ago I made a commitment to myself. I decided

consciously>(as consciously as I could) that I would find a way to

love>everything the way that god loves me.>>Before you think, "oh

that's obvious," realize that I KNOW (now)>WHAT IT MEANS. Do you?>>It

means that you cannot hate anyone for any reason no matter

what>they've done.>>It means that you cannot dislike anyone for any

reason no matter>what they've done.>>It means that you have to love

yourself, ALL OF YOURSELF, even the>parts you don't like and don't

want to admit you have.>>It means that no matter how badly you feel

in any given moment of>the day, no matter what you've experienced, no

matter how many of>your "buttons," have been pushed, no matter how

horrible everyone>has been treating you, no matter how badly your

karmic fruit has>been pouring down on your head, you must love

everyone as god loves>you.>>That means that if a person deliberately

cuts you off on the road,>or unconsciously pulls a bone head maneuver

that almost gets you>killed, you can only love them you are not

allowed to express toward>them anything but that love.>>THINK ABOUT

THE RAMIFICATIONS.>>THINK ABOUT THE FEELINGS YOU'LL HAVE RAGING

INSIDE YOU.>>When I made that decision I really didn't know what I

had done.>>And now I'm really just begining to get it.>>When someone

through misjudgement, error, or just downright>negativity decides to

be unkind to me, I have to stop my reactions>to their activity and

let myself feel the emotions of the pain of>the affliction that

equates their actions to my lack of self esteem.>>I was taught -- by

example -- that if someone treats me badly, then>it must be my fault.

Another word to describe it is guilt.>>My reaction is to go inward and

blame myself.>>The opposite reaction is to project outward and blame

the person.>>Neither reaction is healthy. In fact the only healthy

reaction is NO>reaction.>>Committing yourself to a path of Love is a

committment to truth and>to behaving like everyone around you is god

and loving them just>like god loves us.>>Its also about loving

yourself like god loves you. A lot of people>can love others but find

it hard to accept and love themselves at>face value. They think "oh if

only I was ..." or "oh if only I>wasn't ..." That isn't self love. The

only way to begin to grow into>our soul, or as I like to say express

our soul into reality is to>admit all of our faults and foibles, to

accept them and to love them>and ourselves anyway. It is only through

that admition of truth that>we can consciously take control of them,

incorporate them back into>our beings and find out where they came

from and what they were>before we bent them into unhealthy shapes.>>I

have learned that loving others without loving yourself first is>just

another form of co-dependence, because even if you don't know

>it, when you give love to others without having first filled>yourself

up, without connecting with yourself and at least accepting>yourself

for where you are, you are giving love with expectation.>The

expectation is: they won't hurt me with the truth about myself.>>This

is already way too long. I can't find any way to distill this>subject

matter because its so very complex. Its amazing how our>minds will

make something complex to avoid seeing it in full light.>As if the

truth could be twisted around enough to cast enough shadow>so that

not all of it would be illumined by the light of wisdom.>>What I'm

describing here is what we've done to ourselves to avoid>seeing how

little love we actually feel in our day to day lives.>>My next topic

will be Buttons, how to not react, how to disconnect>and how to

utilize them for consciousness.>>Please contribute, ask for

clarification, argue, what ever. I like>fleshing out my ideas and

feelings. Ultimately my ideas and feelings>are given to me by my soul

and by life as the ultimate>representation of my becoming whole with

God(dess).>>*hugs* for my Devi Mandir

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e. They are what truely run our thoughts and lives. The surface waters

I see are the emotions influencedby action and reaction. The surface

is a very small part of the powerof the emotional body. When the

undertow is healed by diving deep into buried material, that undertow

can become a huge force for Love and consciousness that assists us in

becoming loving, aware beings.Thank you for your analogies. Since my

work is emotional healing thru Rebirthing, your analogy of emotions

being the blood of the emotional body and so forth were great. If you

don't mind, I'm going to use that in my practice.And if you ask me,

you are a Yogi. You think beyond the obvious in order to understand

so that your awareness is united in union, so you are Yogi..Blessings

to you. Have a good day. Namaste.KellyNo banners. No pop-ups. No

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My humble salutations,

 

 

As many would say that it is imposible to define love, I think we first

must try to define it and come to the conclusion ourself by having such a

wonderfull disscussion like this... Her I am rtying to join in the fun of the

Leela (divine play)

 

First I asked myself how did I know what is love. I realised that what I

define as Love is what I perceive Love to be. And also realised that what one

person perceive cannot be the same as the way it is perceived by another.

 

According to Swami -ji Maharaj, in his explanations of the Kashyapa

Suutra, Suutra #6 "Jiivasaubhaagyam Prakaashanam"

Maharaj explained that there are three modes of preception: Preception through

the senses (organs of knowladge), Preceptions of conceptions and the preceptions

of intuition, illumination, feeling, emotion, or beyond. Since love is what we

perceive it to be then there are three levels or modes of this preception.

 

This can conclude that none of the defination of love can be said wrong

because it depends on what mode of preception you are looking love at. But if we

are talking about Supreme Love (parama prema) then that is a different matter

all togather. Some call it unconditional love but I think that unconditionalling

love is a condition by itself. Supreme Love here means not intense love but the

the deepest possible one. Its a point wher it is very difficult to explain

because ist a point where it is nor a shelfish love nor a unselfish love. We

love for the sake of love.

 

Lets talk about the love for God... First we would say that I love God

so I acknowlagde that there is " I " , something called " Love " and "

God "

then we move to a state where the relationship is understood and where it

cannot be defined by the mind but there is still a sense of I. Then we will move

on where we would realise that only God exsits and all the rest is a reflection

of "that". And we begin to love all the reflections of God the same deepest

possible way as we love God no matter what you call Him and Her. The easiest way

to start is to start loving God with sincerity and honesty and all the rest will

come. Love sincerity will show you the way to Supreme Love.

Please correct me if I am wrong...

 

My Humble Salutation to Swami-ji Maharaj

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