doubts about hell

[Guest guest]

... I don't have the name of the book where Bhaktivinode Thakur made his comments.

 

By the way, the book that you referred to in your last post ... have you had a chance to read it? That book may be the one but since I haven't read it, I can't tell for sure.

[Guest guest]

everybody seem's so sure that there the one's who understand Bhaktivanode thakur's philosophical meaning's, example, has anybody read Srila Bhaktisadanta Sarasvati Thakur's translation on the Brahma Samhita?

 

If yes then do you fully comprehend or can you grapple with his spiritual intellect, chance's are 99.9 percent can't, that is to say fully understand. He could memorize entire encyclopedia's etc, if you read his biography.

 

It is good to remember and praise previous archrya's for there accomplishment's in lord cyhaitanya's movement,

 

but for philosophical understanding of the absolute truth we have been given Prabhupada by krishna to teach us in a way we can understand through his experiance with westerner's, in a "language" we can understand so to speak otherwise then why would krishna send him.

 

All glorie's to all the archrya's

 

somebody said speculation is required otherwise were like robot's, ok then if your a spiritual philosopher then were is the evidence that it is required and you should know it has to be backed by sadhu,guru and shastra, qoute an archrya or sloka from shastra that back's your claim of the necessity of spiritual speculation.

 

There is a difference between speculation and inquiry into the absolute truth.

 

Seek out a guru and inquire submisively, bhagavad gita chapter 4

 

There is no speculation in spiritual life only truth, how is truth robotic, truth is not robotic, speculation is robotic any speculation, if not qoute something otherwise or stop being guru and teaching people to speculate.

 

Knowledge comes from krishna through a disciplic succession of truth passed down not speculation.

 

So phlosophicaly defeat this argument with sadhu,guru and shastra otherwise your opinion has no validity to the spiritualy informed.

 

to many chief's not enough indian's etc, is a phrase not to be taken literally obviously duh!!!

 

in understandable term's for the stupid to many fake guru's not enough real one's, people who pose as the wise but haven't any knowledge just speculation to teach people.

 

No speculation does not mean blind faith, only to the ill informed, one just has to know were to go for the truth, thus the disciplic succession, but one has to make up his or her own mind wether or not to believe what is being said and through there own intelligence decide wether or not the knowledge is truth and what source it is coming from so how is that robotic or blind faith, it is your decision i beleive yes or no, robot's don't have a choice, just obey a command.

 

Jaya Srila Prabhupada for preaching "AS IT IS"

 

[Guest guest]

Guest: everybody seem's so sure that there the one's who understand Bhaktivanode thakur's philosophical meaning's, example, has anybody read Srila Bhaktisadanta Sarasvati Thakur's translation on the Brahma Samhita?

 

If yes then do you fully comprehend or can you grapple with his spiritual intellect, chance's are 99.9 percent can't, that is to say fully understand. He could memorize entire encyclopedia's etc, if you read his biography.

 

It is good to remember and praise previous archrya's for there accomplishment's in lord cyhaitanya's movement,

 

but for philosophical understanding of the absolute truth we have been given Prabhupada by krishna to teach us in a way we can understand through his experiance with westerner's, in a "language" we can understand so to speak otherwise then why would krishna send him.

 

All glorie's to all the archrya's

 

And all glories to everyone who knows how to spell and make a real sentence, as well as to those who know when to use a spelling checker.

[Guest guest]

You know AS IT IS you can only hold those sphincter muscles tight for so long then you learn to loosen up......hopefully

-----------------

 

Bombay

21 January, 1972

72-01-21

 

 

 

My Dear Chaturbhus,

Please accept my blessings. I am happy to receive your nice letter of January 10, 1972, and I am pleased to note that you are asking very intelligent questions. that is natural position for the neophyte devotee who is sincerely seeking to understand what is the Absolute Truth. So I am very much engladdened to hear that you are very intelligent boy, like your father, and that your whole family is advancing in Krishna Consciousness. May Krishna give you all blessings.

Lord Caitanya met Moulana in Sara, U.P., not at Allahabad. His process was to take a quotation from the Koran and convince the Moulana that Krishna Consciousness or pure love of Godhead in mood of selfless devotional service is the ultimate goal of life.

 

As for the difference between mental speculation and philosophical speculation, we take it that everything is known by the psychological action of the mind, so that philosophical speculation is the same as mental speculation if it is merely the random or haphazard activity of the brain to understand everything and making theories, "if's" and "maybe's." But if philosophical speculation is directed by Sastra and Guru, and if the goal of such philosophical attempts is to achieve Visnu, then that philosophical speculation is not mental speculation. It is just like this: Krishna syas in Bhagavad-gita that "I am the taste of water." Philosophical speculation in the accepted sense then means to try to understand, under the direction of Sastra and Guru, just how Krishna is the taste of water. The points of Bhagavad-gita, though they are simple and complete, can be understood from unlimited angles of vision. So our philosophy is not dry, like mental speculation. The proper function of the brain or psychological activity is to understand everything through Krishna's perspective or point-of-view, and so there is no limit to that understanding because Krishna is unlimited, and even though it can be said that the devotee who knows Krishna, he knows everything (15th Chapter), still, the philosophical process never stops and the devotee continues to increase his knowledge even though he knows everything. Try to understand this point, it is a very good question.

 

Lord Caitanya may have long hair in his early grhastha life, but that does not mean that we should imitate Lord Caitanya. Caitanya also had shaven head and sikha. The important thing is that we follow the regulative guidelines as laid down by great saints and acaryas in our line, and so it is recommended that we wear clean-shaven heads. but there is no hard and fast rule in this respect. If it is practical to grow hairs out, that can be done. But it is not that we may imitate Lord Caitanya by growing big hairs.

Hoping this will meet you in good health and happy mood. Your father is serving nicely in Delhi by printing our books and magazines in Hindi language, and I am very much pleased with him also. Now you protect your good mother and brothers and sisters, help them to advance more and more in Krishna Consciousness by holding chanting in your house regularly daily and by having altar. If you become very serious to have the ultimate satisfaction of life, then I think that you will practice this KC process very enthusiastically and be successful in all respects.

Your ever well-wisher,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

[Guest guest]

loosen up your sphinkter muscles? you seem a little lost in spiritual philosophy here.

 

seplilng croretlcy is not the gaol of lfie.

 

You have not proven philosophical speculation is required from shastric injuction or what verse, just your own opinion, so prove it know it all, with shastra.

 

Were's the qoute from prabhupada philosophical speculation is required?

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

any speculation is if or maybe

[Guest guest]

Source: Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

 

 

speculation

 

n 1: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence [syn: guess, conjecture, supposition, surmise, surmisal, hypothesis] 2: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence);

 

so if krishna says i am the taste in water then were is the guessing or supposition? shastra is not about guessing.

 

 

[Guest guest]

bimala prasada?

[Guest guest]

prabhupada says in the accepted sense we accept it

[Guest guest]

Ok i admit defeat

 

So when philosophical speculation is under the guidance of shastra and guru it is accepted but philosophical speculation without shastra or guru is the same as mental speculation, thank's to prabhupada the neophyte like me can be corrected, thankyou, all glories to the vaishnava's and all glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

Jaya Prabhupada !!!!!!!!

 

back to the topic THE HELLISH PLANET'S

[Guest guest]

Of course I was not in a contest to defeat you. Simply I had read this letter before you that's all.

 

Defeated we all are. Thoughly and completely by maya. The struggle is to face that and admit it to ourselves.

 

My OPINION is that while those particular descriptions of hell may have been put forward to scare the populace into adhering to right conduct the idea of hellish worlds existing in the cosmos must be factually true.

 

It's all relative. As someone said above our planet may be a hellish planet to those in heaven.

 

But we cannot chide the Christians for believing in hell where people suffer unfairly forever and then turn around and teach basically the same thing and quote 5th canto as proof.

[Guest guest]

yes i agree but we do have more precise explanation than the bible, like eternal hell is false, what do think?

[Guest guest]

The Bible may not even say that it is the way these "Christians" interpret everything that is so out of whack. There is not enough information in the Bible to draw any specfic conclusions in any rate.

 

The Bhagavatam is just rich in eternal truths. Now I am speaking as a born again Christian. Fortunately by the grace of the Lord I got acquainted with Bhagvatam before the Bible.

 

Christians will not be able to make sense of any of these things until they accept transmigration of the soul.

 

There is a verse in the SB somewhere about how people who enter the hellish worlds are seldom seen to return but this idea needs to be fleshed out. I'll see if I can find that verse. Hopefully you or someone knows it and can post it first.

[Guest guest]

I am neither qualified to fully comprehend Bhaktivinode Thakurs writings (I havent read any of his books, to be honest) nor that of Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakur. With that in view, I cannot say for sure what Bhaktivinode Thakur really meant by saying hell can be taken as symbolic or why he said that.

 

But your post makes perfect sense, and I couldn't agree more.