"Solomon's Song of Songs"

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Solomon's Song of Songs.

 

1

 

Solomon (queen) -

2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-

for your love is more delightful than wine.

 

3 Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes;

your name is like perfume poured out.

No wonder the maidens love you!

 

4 Take me away with you-let us hurry!

Let the king bring me into his chambers.

We rejoice and delight in you ;

we will praise your love more than wine.

How right they are to adore you!

 

5 Dark am I, yet lovely,

O daughters of Jerusalem,

dark like the tents of Kedar,

like the tent curtains of Solomon.

 

6 Do not stare at me because I am dark,

because I am darkened by the sun.

My mother's sons were angry with me

and made me take care of the vineyards;

my own vineyard I have neglected.

 

7 Tell me, you whom I love, where you graze your flock

and where you rest your sheep at midday.

Why should I be like a veiled woman

beside the flocks of your friends?

 

Friends

 

8 If you do not know, most beautiful of women,

follow the tracks of the sheep

and graze your young goats

by the tents of the shepherds.

 

Lord

 

9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare

harnessed to one of the chariots of Pharaoh.

10 Your cheeks are beautiful with earrings,

your neck with strings of jewels.

11 We will make you earrings of gold,

studded with silver.

12 While the king was at his table,

my perfume spread its fragrance.

 

Queen

 

13 My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh

resting between my breasts.

14 My lover is to me a cluster of henna blossoms

from the vineyards of En Gedi.

 

Lord

 

15 How beautiful you are, my darling!

Oh, how beautiful!

Your eyes are doves.

 

Queen

 

16 How handsome you are, my lover!

Oh, how charming!

And our bed is verdant.

17 The beams of our house are cedars;

our rafters are firs.

 

Song of Solomon 2

 

Queen

1 I am a rose of Sharon,

a lily of the valleys. [one of many, in valleys is a lot of lilies]

 

Lord

2 Like a lily among thorns

is my darling among the maidens.

 

Queen

3 Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest

is my lover among the young men.

I delight to sit in his shade,

and his fruit is sweet to my taste.

4 He has taken me to the banquet hall,

and his banner over me is love.

5 Strengthen me with raisins,

refresh me with apples,

for I am faint with love. [losing feelings]

 

[in dream]

6 His left arm is under my head,

and his right arm embraces me.

 

Lord

7 Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you

by the gazelles and by the does of the field:

Do not arouse or awaken love

until it so desires.

 

Queen

8 Listen! My lover!

Look! Here he comes,

leaping across the mountains,

bounding over the hills.

9 My lover is like a gazelle or a young stag.

Look! There he stands behind our wall,

gazing through the windows,

peering through the lattice.

 

10 My lover spoke and said to me,

"Arise, my darling,

my beautiful one, and come with me.

11 See! The winter is past;

the rains are over and gone.

12 Flowers appear on the earth;

the season of singing has come,

the cooing of doves

is heard in our land.

13 The fig tree forms its early fruit;

the blossoming vines spread their fragrance.

Arise, come, my darling;

my beautiful one, come with me."

 

Lord

14 My dove in the clefts of the rock,

in the hiding places on the mountainside,

show me your face,

let me hear your voice;

for your voice is sweet,

and your face is lovely.

 

Queen

15 Catch for us the foxes,

the little foxes [all that the slyness prevents their love]

that ruin the vineyards,

our vineyards that are in bloom.

16 My lover is mine and I am his;

he browses among the lilies.

17 Until the day breaks

and the shadows flee,

turn, my lover,

and be like a gazelle

or like a young stag

on the rugged hills.

 

Song of Solomon 3

 

Solomon about a spiritual life -

 

1 All night long on my bed

I looked for the one my heart loves;

I looked for him but did not find him.

2 I will get up now and go about the city,

through its streets and squares;

I will search for the one my heart loves.

So I looked for him but did not find him.

 

3 The watchmen found me

as they made their rounds in the city.

"Have you seen the one my heart loves?"

[the widespread allegory - "city" this body, "guards" - feelings]

 

4 Scarcely had I passed them [material feelings or a material life]

when I found the one my heart loves.

I held him and would not let him go

till I had brought him to my mother's house,

to the room of the one who conceived me. [in heart]

5 Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you

by the gazelles and by the does of the field:

Do not arouse or awaken love

until it so desires. [fidelities to the God]

 

6 Who is this coming up from the desert

like a column of smoke,

perfumed with myrrh and incense

made from all the spices of the merchant?

[arising love to the God, arisen in "desert" - a material life.]

 

Glory of king Solomon -

 

7 Look! It is Solomon's carriage,

escorted by sixty warriors,

the noblest of Israel,

8 all of them wearing the sword,

all experienced in battle,

each with his sword at his side,

prepared for the terrors of the night.

9 King Solomon made for himself the carriage;

he made it of wood from Lebanon.

10 Its posts he made of silver,

its base of gold.

Its seat was upholstered with purple,

its interior lovingly inlaid

by the daughters of Jerusalem.

11 Come out, you daughters of Zion,

and look at King Solomon wearing the crown,

the crown with which his mother crowned him

on the day of his wedding,

the day his heart rejoiced.

 

["Carriage" this empire of king Solomon and His spiritual life. Also it is famous empire! "Carriage" to mean that Solomon leaves the material empire, accepting "wedding" - following the love to the God. Here the context as that all His riches is love to the God. And thus He has all best - " look, daughters Zion!"]

 

Song of Solomon 4

 

Solomon about belief -

 

1 How beautiful you are, my darling!

Oh, how beautiful!

Your eyes behind your veil are doves.

Your hair is like a flock of goats

descending from Mount Gilead.

2 Your teeth are like a flock of sheep just shorn,

coming up from the washing.

Each has its twin;

not one of them is alone.

3 Your lips are like a scarlet ribbon;

your mouth is lovely.

Your temples behind your veil

are like the halves of a pomegranate.

4 Your neck is like the tower of David,

built with elegance;

on it hang a thousand shields,

all of them shields of warriors.

5 Your two breasts are like two fawns,

like twin fawns of a gazelle

that browse among the lilies.

6 Until the day breaks

and the shadows flee,

I will go to the mountain of myrrh

and to the hill of incense.

7 All beautiful you are, my darling;

there is no flaw in you.

 

8 Come with me from Lebanon, my bride,

come with me from Lebanon.

Descend from the crest of Amana,

from the top of Senir, the summit of Hermon,

from the lions' dens

and the mountain haunts of the leopards.

[from everywhere, love or religion covers all or the appeal to all becomes believers from a dangerous material life " dens lion's "]

 

9 You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride;

you have stolen my heart

with one glance of your eyes,

with one jewel of your necklace.

10 How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride!

How much more pleasing is your love than wine,

and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!

11 Your lips drop sweetness as the honeycomb, my bride;

milk and honey are under your tongue. [a spiritual life]

The fragrance of your garments is like that of Lebanon.

["Lebanon" then - similar to paradise]

 

12 You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride;

you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain.

[the spiritual life is latent, protected, but-]

 

13 Your plants are an orchard of pomegranates

with choice fruits,

with henna and nard,

14 nard and saffron,

calamus and cinnamon,

with every kind of incense tree,

with myrrh and aloes

and all the finest spices.

15 You are a garden fountain,

a well of flowing water

streaming down from Lebanon.

 

Queen

16 Awake, north wind,

and come, south wind!

Blow on my garden,

that its fragrance may spread abroad.

Let my lover come into his garden

and taste its choice fruits.

 

Song of Solomon 5

 

Solomon about doubts-

 

Lord

1 I have come into my garden, my sister, my bride;

I have gathered my myrrh with my spice.

I have eaten my honeycomb and my honey;

I have drunk my wine and my milk.

 

Friends

Eat, O friends, and drink;

drink your fill, O lovers.

 

Queen

2 I slept but my heart was awake.

Listen! My lover is knocking:

"Open to me, my sister, my darling,

my dove, my flawless one.

My head is drenched with dew,

my hair with the dampness of the night."

 

3 I have taken off my robe-

must I put it on again?

I have washed my feet-

must I soil them again? [doubts]

 

4 My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening;

my heart began to pound for him.

5 I arose to open for my lover,

and my hands dripped with myrrh,

my fingers with flowing myrrh,

on the handles of the lock.

 

6 I opened for my lover,

but my lover had left; he was gone.

My heart sank at his departure.

I looked for him but did not find him.

I called him but he did not answer.

 

7 The watchmen found me

as they made their rounds in the city.

They beat me, they bruised me;

they took away my cloak,

those watchmen of the walls!

 

["watchmen" - material feelings which destroy a spiritual life and will wound soul. The essence in that that without the God religion or fidelity cannot exist. If the God "leaves" from for doubts for example material feelings at once will wound belief.

 

But as here one more spiritual context - " the God leaves " means that at devotee already there is a certain spiritual experience. "Absence" of the God, this certain spiritual experience. It is the certain spiritual maturity. It as not necessarily means that the God was present before He has left. Quite obviously that Solomon far from being beginning believer, He has a mature spiritual life. Therefore " the God has left ", but He has left only what to strengthen fidelity Solomon -]

 

8 O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-

if you find my lover,

what will you tell him?

Tell him I am faint with love.

 

Girls of Jerusalem-

 

9 How is your beloved better than others,

most beautiful of women?

How is your beloved better than others,

that you charge us so?

 

[what woman does not count itself the finest? /images/graemlins/smile.gif) But here it is true, because such feelings a part of fidelity. As in life Solomon the man and thus the person tests happiness, having accepted eventually the natural position. As "finest" it is true, as everyone is spiritually unique, therefore this quite correct offer.

 

There is also one more context why Solomon writes so about itself - because the spiritual beauty on infinity surpasses material, therefore Solomon emphasizes here it. This phrase proceeds from usual terrestrial girls of Jerusalem who having seen spiritual beauty, at once recognize her as "finest".

 

As it is not necessary to forget that Solomon is king who was recognized by the God for His reign - " 1.12 While the king [solomon] was at his table, my perfume spread its fragrance. " And as the God has already erected Her in a rank of the tsarina - " 1.9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare harnessed to one of the chariots of Pharaoh. " King Solomon it is real one of queens of the pharaon - the Lord. Thus Solomon has received so much recognitions, that it is quite obvious to all.]

 

Queen

 

10 My lover is radiant and ruddy,

outstanding among ten thousand.

11 His head is purest gold;

his hair is wavy

and black as a raven.

12 His eyes are like doves

by the water streams,

washed in milk,

mounted like jewels.

13 His cheeks are like beds of spice

yielding perfume.

His lips are like lilies

dripping with myrrh.

14 His arms are rods of gold

set with chrysolite.

His body is like polished ivory

decorated with sapphires.

15 His legs are pillars of marble

set on bases of pure gold.

His appearance is like Lebanon,

choice as its cedars.

16 His mouth is sweetness itself;

he is altogether lovely.

This is my lover, this my friend,

O daughters of Jerusalem.

 

Song of Solomon 6

 

Repentance Solomon

 

Girls of Jerusalem-

[Girls of Jerusalem having heard the description of the Lord too have wanted to see Him is -]

 

1 Where has your lover gone,

most beautiful of women?

Which way did your lover turn,

that we may look for him with you?

 

Queen

2 My lover has gone down to his garden,

to the beds of spices,

to browse in the gardens

and to gather lilies.

3 I am my lover's and my lover is mine;

he browses among the lilies.

 

Queen

[solomon about fidelity or as it is possible to see the God -]

 

4 You are beautiful, my darling, as Tirzah,

lovely as Jerusalem,

majestic as troops with banners.

5 Turn your eyes from me;

they overwhelm me.

Your hair is like a flock of goats

descending from Gilead.

6 Your teeth are like a flock of sheep

coming up from the washing.

Each has its twin,

not one of them is alone.

7 Your temples behind your veil

are like the halves of a pomegranate.

8 Sixty queens there may be,

and eighty concubines,

and virgins beyond number;

9 but my dove, my perfect one, is unique,

the only daughter of her mother,

the favorite of the one who bore her. [at heart]

The maidens saw her and called her blessed;

the queens and concubines praised her.

 

Friends

10 Who is this that appears like the dawn,

fair as the moon, bright as the sun,

majestic as the stars in procession? [devotion]

 

Devotion -

11 I went down to the grove of nut trees

to look at the new growth in the valley,

to see if the vines had budded

or the pomegranates were in bloom.

[whether there is a fruit?]

 

Solomon

12 Before I realized it,

my desire set me among the royal chariots of my people.

 

[Here probably incorrect translation on russian it is translated so-]

 

12 I do not know what for my soul attracted me to chariots of rich people?

 

I allow the comment on this case -

 

[if the religion so is fine also the God so is fine. Here Solomon admits the sin. His regret is very silent, because is deep. It is very short, because it is hard for Him to admit it. We have not overlooked - He king and such recognition does His mistakes obvious to others. To us His such experience can be not absolutely clear. But it as is more connected to His relation Lord, than with a sin as with those. Anyhow Solomon understands that the certain connections contradict a spiritual life. Pious king! He was more pious than His citizens! And as can see as far as the level of morals then and now is various. Here as there is a moment that Solomon preaches and having described once again beauty the Lord and - He in the end speaks religions to himself repenting - " I do not know, how my soul attracted me to chariots of notable my people. "]

 

Song of Solomon 7

 

Solomon about religion

 

13 Come back, come back, O Shulammite;

come back, come back, that we may gaze on you!

Why would you gaze on the Shulammite

as on the dance of Mahanaim?

 

1 How beautiful your sandaled feet,

O prince's daughter!

Your graceful legs are like jewels,

the work of a craftsman's hands.

2 Your navel is a rounded goblet

that never lacks blended wine.

Your waist is a mound of wheat

encircled by lilies.

3 Your breasts are like two fawns,

twins of a gazelle.

4 Your neck is like an ivory tower.

Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon

by the gate of Bath Rabbim.

Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon

looking toward Damascus.

5 Your head crowns you like Mount Carmel.

Your hair is like royal tapestry;

the king is held captive by its tresses.

6 How beautiful you are and how pleasing,

O love, with your delights!

7 Your stature is like that of the palm,

and your breasts like clusters of fruit.

8 I said, "I will climb the palm tree;

I will take hold of its fruit."

May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine,

the fragrance of your breath like apples,

9 and your mouth like the best wine.

 

Religion \ Solomon

 

May the wine go straight to my lover,

flowing gently over lips and teeth.

10 I belong to my lover,

and his desire is for me.

11 Come, my lover, let us go to the countryside,

let us spend the night in the villages.

12 Let us go early to the vineyards

to see if the vines have budded,

if their blossoms have opened,

and if the pomegranates are in bloom-

there I will give you my love.

13 The mandrakes send out their fragrance,

and at our door is every delicacy,

both new and old,

that I have stored up for you, my lover. [Lord]

 

Song of Solomon 8

 

Solomon to the Lord -

 

1 If only you were to me like a brother,

who was nursed at my mother's breasts!

Then, if I found you outside,

I would kiss you,

and no one would despise me.

2 I would lead you

and bring you to my mother's house-

she who has taught me.

I would give you spiced wine to drink,

the nectar of my pomegranates.

3 His left arm is under my head

and his right arm embraces me.

4 Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you:

Do not arouse or awaken love

until it so desires.

 

Friends

5 Who is this coming up from the desert

leaning on her lover? [spiritual love]

 

Love addressing to Solomon -

 

Under the apple tree I roused you;

there your mother conceived you,

there she who was in labor gave you birth.

6 Place me like a seal over your heart,

like a seal on your arm;

for love is as strong as death,

its jealousy unyielding as the grave.

It burns like blazing fire,

like a mighty flame.

7 Many waters cannot quench love;

rivers cannot wash it away.

If one were to give

all the wealth of his house for love,

it would be utterly scorned.

[as it is offensive, and even having given all riches it is impossible to find love]

 

Love -

8 We have a young sister,

and her breasts are not yet grown.

What shall we do for our sister

for the day she is spoken for?

["sister" - related religion, it is possible new.]

 

9 If she is a wall,

we will build towers of silver on her.

If she is a door,

we will enclose her with panels of cedar.

[for example it is possible to decorate a wall, but material efforts cannot help anything with a spiritual life]

 

New religion ("wall") about itself -

 

10 I am a wall,

and my breasts are like towers.

Thus I have become in his [Lord] eyes

like one bringing contentment.

11 Solomon had a vineyard in Baal Hamon;

he let out his vineyard to tenants.

Each was to bring for its fruit

a thousand shekels of silver.

["Vineyard" fidelity and sermon Solomon]

 

12 But my own vineyard is mine to give;

the thousand shekels are for you, O Solomon,

and two hundred are for those who tend its fruit.

[Anyhow as "tenants" Solomon pay to Him on one thousand this religion offers Him as one thousand. As here there is a moment that "tenants" Solomon pay to Him for fruits, but Solomon in him does not pay anything, but this religion pays and Solomon and to the watchmen.]

 

Reference Solomon -

13 You who dwell in the gardens

with friends in attendance,

let me hear your voice!

 

Solomon

14 Come away, my lover,

and be like a gazelle

or like a young stag

on the spice-laden mountains.

 

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Obviously that Solomon almost does not identify itself with Solomon- king. Even religiousness as such somewhat not strongly interests Him "8.11 Solomon had a vineyard in Baal Hamon; "

 

Solomon it is more absorbed by the relations with Lord, than the common religiousness and an empire. Therefore He enough is discharged describes the "carriage", somewhat speaking about all it as about dead for him already. ["bier" - in russian]

 

" 60 strong around of him [solomon] " - is a strong empire. Everything are ready to serve him, but He is discharged. Solomon actually it is not so much "denial", how many it is adhered to the God. Therefore motive of renunciation very faded as what it is necessary "to renounce" him simply does not interest.

 

Certainly, if we to what that are adhered, then our renunciation is very grandiose in that case. A great victim! /images/graemlins/smile.gif)) If we are REALLY ADHERED (not denial) in this case "renouncing" the person simply changes object of attachment as a matter of fact from anything not renouncing. For example the empire and a sensual life can be exchanged simply for glory "renouncing" in what as a matter of fact renunciation as such and is not present.

 

But such does not concern in any way to Solomon and in it there are no doubts. Therefore He describes the empire as strong (it is His duty that it would be such). But he describes himself in the third party 3.7-10 with the same attributes renouncing and to himself. And only the description of "wedding" 3.11 it is valid His happiness and He executed this spiritual happiness calls all to look at His true glory! -

 

11 Come out, you daughters of Zion,

and look at King Solomon wearing the crown,

the crown with which his mother crowned him

on the day of his wedding,

the day his heart rejoiced.

 

He is not attract empire (" Look! It is Solomon's carriage, "). He is not attract certain last sermon (" Solomon had a vineyard in Baal Hamon; "). Even a recognition of His empire the God (!) - (" 12 While the king was at his table, my perfume [people] spread its fragrance. "), do not involve Solomon. He is involved with the God! All poem is filled only with it.

 

There is one more very interesting moment. Solomon does not consider the reign as that became a source of His love - "If one were to give

all the wealth of his house for love,

it would be utterly scorned. . "

 

And though the Lord has recognized His reign, nevertheless for Solomon in His relations with Lord, such recognition as is not attractive. Solomon it is filled with direct fidelity. Therefore such recognition of the Lord - " While the king was at his table, my perfume [people] spread its fragrance. " He perceives as concerned even to whom that to another, but not to Him, therefore He besides writes about himself in the third party. Even the promise of the God to make for queen precious spiritual (!) gifts, not too involve Her! Queen answers all these offers to the Lord -

 

"My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh

resting between my breasts. "

 

On what the Lord immediately reciprocates-

 

"About, you are fine, beloved mine, you are fine! "

 

And further Solomon, superb describes a great celebration of their love which is not having limits-

 

"roofs of our houses - cedars, our ceilings - cypresses. "

 

All material world Solomon repeatedly describes as desert....

 

Thus Solomon glorifies the "crown" good luck at 3.11 and in great happy, but with some small sneer or some call, in my opinion, stops all rest - "daughters of Zion, and look at King Solomon ".

 

Solomon possessing huge material riches, simply sneers here at those who see His external riches which for Itself Solomon does not represent value and do not see His true riches. Therefore He describes the empire and riches as "bier" - a place of death and speaks all materialists -

 

11 Come out, you daughters of Zion,

and look at King Solomon wearing the crown,

the crown with which his mother crowned him

on the day of his wedding,

the day his heart rejoiced.

 

The true king Solomon! And He in happiness describes the spiritual identity-

 

"I am a rose of Sharon, a lily of the valleys. "

 

And how Solomon has found a spiritual life? -

 

" He has taken me to the banquet hall,

and his banner over me is love. "

[vanamali 1]

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[theist 1]

The explanations really helped open up to me many things I never noticed before, nor likely to ever notice.

[kailasa 0]

Thanks. I am be very surprised himself read this great poem. Real christianity.

[anadi 0]

song of SAH-lo-muhn

 

Authorship and Origin:

Solomon is named in the book itself as the author in version 1:1. This would be around 970 - 930 B.C..

Overview and Significant sections

This is a very unique book in the Old Testament, and it makes no direct theological statements, although some believe some may be implied or allegorical. It speaks of the love between a man (the lover) and a women (the beloved). It was probably put in the Hebrew canon because it's author was Solomon, and was frequently read during the Passover. There is a great debate over how to understand or interpret this book. Some see it as allegorical to God's relationship to Israel.

 

Later Christian interpreters applied it to the relationship between Christ and the Church.

There is however no objective way of interpreting the literal meanings of these words. Another approach is to view the book as a celebration of love as God intended it to be experienced between a man and a women.

 

To others it is just a collection of love poems. It was probably written by Solomon while traveling in Israel's northern villages to a local village girl, whom he later comes back to and carries to Jerusalem to be one of his wives.

Source:

http://netministries.org/Bbasics/BBSong.htm

 

what says guru shastra sadhu?

 

Who is the "Lord" in that poem that the Queen is addressing?

Is it the unknown Allmighty? Is it Krishna? And is the Queen Srimati Radharani?

Or is Salomon as Caitanya Mahaprabhu and the unknown God as Krishna?

I expect some speculations and their pramana.

[Guest guest]

***Who is the "Lord" in that poem that the Queen is addressing? Is it the unknown Allmighty?

 

It is Lord Narayana, it is Dvaraka. Solomon is Queen Dvaraka -

 

"Lord

9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare

harnessed to one of the chariots of Pharaoh. "

 

But some text point on Krisna too -

 

"7 Tell me, you whom I love, where you graze your flock

and where you rest your sheep at midday.

Why should I be like a veiled woman

beside the flocks of your friends? "

 

***Or is Salomon as Caitanya Mahaprabhu and the unknown God as Krishna?

 

May be know.

[Kulapavana 0]

I agree. Madhurya rasa is rarely exhibited outside the innermost Vaishnava circles, especially prior to Lord Caitanya's appearance. Devotees tend to read too much into this type of writings. There may be glimpses of madhurya rasa in the writings of St.John of the Cross, but that is about the most advanced mysticism found in Christian writings.

 

why do we not read the tons of "madhurya rasa" poems written by our own Vaishnava sahajya folks? Because they are not considered pure enough. I'm not at all suggesting that King Salomon was a sahajya. I'm just pointing out that when it comes to madhurya rasa we should be very, very careful with our influences.

[theist 1]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Mahaprabhu would be reminded of Govardhana hill by simple ordinary hills.

 

Even in pop songs one can hear separation. Ever hear Elvis sing Kentucky Rain?

 

That doesn't mean we should all go study under Elvis Presley of course. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Guest guest]

I am inclined to agree with both Anadi and Kula. We are trying too hard to see the 'vaisnava' spirit in semitic people that we often miss the greatness of our own vedic seers and poets. Who the hell cares whether there were enlightened people in the semitic religions, let's thnk of krishna and vedas, for a change. I see too much nonsense about jesus, mohamed and other semites I am beginnign to wonder if this is a vaisnava forum at all. The things people do under the pretext of open-mindedness!!

[theist 1]

I reject all attempts to make the word Vaisnava indicative of a sectarian concept.

 

Someone posts something nice from a source outside of someone else's bubble and some people become agitated. Just ignore it if you don't like it.

 

Some while claiming the label vaisnava are the first to run over and piss on someone else's sacrifical fire. All the while forgeting to keep their own fire feed with ghee.

[AncientMariner 0]

The Urantia Book

 

 

"Religous peace -brotherhood- can never exist unless all religions are willing to divest themselves of all ecclesiastical authority and fully surrender all concept of spiritual sovereignty. God alone is spirit sovereign."

 

"You cannot have equality among religions (religous liberty) without having religous wars unless all religions consent to the transfer of all religous sovereignty to some superhuman level, to God himself."

 

"The kingdom of heaven in the hearts of men will create religous unity (not necessarily uniformity) because any and all religous groups composed of such religous believers will be free from all notions of ecclesiastical authority - religous sovereignty."

 

"God is spirit, and God gives a fragment of his spirit self to dwell in the heart of man. Spiritually, all men are equal. The kingdom of heaven is free from castes, classes, social levels, and economic groups. You are all brethren."

 

"But the moment you lose sight of the spirit sovereignty of God the Father, some one religion will begin to assert its superiority over other religions; and then, instead of peace on earth and good will among men, there will start dissensions, recriminations, even religous wars, at least wars among religionists."

 

"Freewill beings who regard themselves as equals, unless they mutually acknowledge themselves as subject to some supersovereignty, some authority over and above themselves, sooner or later are tempted to try out their ability to gain power and authority over other persons and groups. The concept of equality never brings peace except in the mutual recognition of some overcontrolling influence of supersovereignty."

[Guest guest]

Some while claiming the label vaisnava are the first to run over and piss on someone else's sacrifical fire. All the while forgeting to keep their own fire feed with ghee."

 

Are you trying to be funny? Because it is working...

[Guest guest]

***Because they are not considered pure enough. I'm not at all suggesting that King Salomon was a sahajya.

 

No. He is write pure. It is real spiritual emotion.

[Guest guest]

Many religions has madhurya emotion it is not prerogative GV.

[Kulapavana 0]

"No. He is write pure. It is real spiritual emotion"

 

please forgive my doubts, but I'll stick with what our acharyas recommended

[theist 1]

 

Some while claiming the label vaisnava are the first to run over and piss on someone else's sacrifical fire. All the while forgeting to keep their own fire feed with ghee."

 

Are you trying to be funny? Because it is working...

 

 

I'm a natural smart ass kinda guy. We must all guard our little fires well. You never know when someone is going to jump out the bushes and... Sometimes these shapeshifters even take on the form of raging elephants. No fire can withstand that sort of deluge.

 

[Guest guest]

Haribol, folks. I write here simply because of the nectar I have received in the active appreciation I have had for this Great historical personality. The ancient manuscript called "Kebra Nagast", the teachings of the Angel Gabriel to Solomon and Mekeda, is the source of much of my appreciation, as is this song of solomon.

 

Without shame, excuse, or need to justify to asnyone, I regard SWolomon to be Saktivesa Avatar. In fact, the combination of Mekeda and Solomon is quite similar to the position of Queen Arci and King Prthu, King and Queen without justifiable comparison. I regard the song of solomon to be a discourse between Mekeda and Solomon, an actual demonstration for the world the sweetness of madurya rasa, repleat with joining as well as separation.

 

(Note: King Prthu is accepted as saktivesa Avatar, but is not considered Visnu Tattwa, rather an empowered jiva to act as God by Lord Krsna Himself)

 

In praise of the Song of Solomon, I tell this story, adapted from Kebra Nagast:

 

 

King Solomon and the Bee

 

by mahaksadasa, 2001

 

King Solomon is reknowned for his wealth and wisdom, his beauty and his power, and everlasting fame as the rightful ruler of the entire world. His greatest possession in the culmination of full receipt of these opulences is the ability to acknowledge the actual Source of all these gifts and to teach the world of the vanity of maintaining false identification of the material frame and circumstances as the actual self. The saintly nature of King Solomon can be shown in a simple story of how the topmost being enlists the service of the very least amongst us to attain the highest goal of life, the reciprocation of spiritual love. Such reciprocation is not only felt by the principal actors, but for all who facillitate such joining without regard to social or natural status. This is the story of King Solomon and the Bee.

 

One day, King Solomon was taking a midday rest in his palace greenhouse. The atmosphere of such a place cannot be adequately described, but there is indication that no place can be compared to it outside the Spiritual Kingdom of Lord Jahovia Himself. The fragrances, the mists, the flavors, the utter comfort made any person who entered able to fulfill all desires at once. The drowsy would become enlivened, the weary would fall asleep, hunger, thirst, and pain would be eliminated simply by the aromas of the herbs, flowers and fruit trees. The floor was solid emerald and the marble walls were gold leafed by the world's finest artisans. The sounds of the birds and insects were as pleasing as the finest music from the palace minstrels.

 

King Solomon had just received tribute from every kingdom from the orient as well as the island kingdoms of the west. He had greeted the entire arrangement of the world's nobility, who gladly presented their treasuries in recognition of his righteous and just rule. All world war had ceased, and King Solomon was in deserved deep sleep. All of a sudden, a little honey bee landed on his nose. When King Solomon brushed the bee with his hand, the bee accidentally stung the sleeping king.

 

King Solomon awoke enraged. He spoke every language of the world fluently, including the language of the beasts, birds, and insects. He immediately summoned every insect of the royal city to come before him. From the earth, sea, and sky, all the flying insects and crawling bugs came to the beaconing of the king, eager to end his suffering and take his perfect combination of justice and mercy. King Solomon's nose was swollen and bright red as he spoke gravely, "Who has viciously attacked your innocent king while in sleep?" Of the billions of creatures assembled in the greenhouse, the little honey bee came forward without fear, in full expectation of the king's righteousness.

 

"My dear king", the little bee prayed, "I have made a serious mistake. I am very young and impetuous, and have not yet learned the art of collecting pollens for the royal apiary. My untrained senses lead me from one sweet flower to the next, and when I alighted upon your nose, I just thought it was but another flower. I was startled by the sudden movement of your hand and while attempting to fly away, my stinger inadvertantly got stuck in your skin. Please, my dear king, forgive my youthful and terrible offense."

 

King Solomon was greatly moved by the honesty and bravery of the little honey bee, and, full of compassion, forgave him at once. He gave all the insects his royal blessings and they continued their normal duties. The little bee, however, remained, and gave King Solomon a benediction, saying, "My Dear King, your justice and mercy are unfathomable. I will repay your kindness by coming to you when you do not ask, and will arrange for your greatest happiness." The swelling had subsided and the king rested comfortably, quite pleased as well as amused by the entire incident, which was soon forgotten.

 

A year had passed, and, to the south, in the Kingdom of Abyssinia, Queen Makeda, of the House of Sheeba, became eligible for marriage. Makeda was the most beautiful maiden, and her wisdom and grace was well known throughout the world. Since she was a child, she vowed to give her attention entirely to worship and devotion to the One God of Creation. Every thought, word, and deed reflected such unalloyed love of Lord Jahovia, so when it came time for her to marry, she naturally asked for spiritual guidance. The Angel Gabriel appeared to her in a dream, and helped her devise a plan to find a husband specifically arranged for and approved by Lord Jahovia Himself. She would only agree to marry one who could solve a series of puzzles, using not only strenght, wealth, beauty, fame and wisdom, but also using humility to indicate devotion to Lord Jahovia equal to her own.

 

King Solomon desired to include the oppulent Afar Region of Abyssinia in his kingdom. He heard of Queen Makeda and her vows, and knew she would only marry one approved by Lord Jahovia. He sent a messenger to her, inviting her to his kingdom. When she arrived with her entourage, King Solomon immediately forgot all desire of expanding his kingdom and only thought of her love, her light and her Lord Jahovia. She agreed that he was indeed eligible to take the test of her puzzles. One after another, King Solomon solved with ease any riddle brought before him. Puzzles involving constellations, cloud movements, mathmatical calculations, word puzzles in all languages, all were solved with relative ease. The king had proved worthiness in all respects and the fulness of all opulences was assured. Queen Makeda had only one puzzle left to submit to him, the test of humility and renunciation.

 

The Queen summoned one hundred of her maidservants into the greenhouse, windows closed due to the chilly winter breezes. The exotic princesses each held a bouquet of the finest flowers imaginable, fragrant and delicately arranged. Queen Makeda spoke to King Solomon the rules of the game. "Dear Sir, you may walk the five aisles of twenty maidens and examine the quality of their bouquets. You may smell, touch and judge as you wish, then you must stand by my side. You will then take a moment, but then you must select only one bouquet. There is only one bouquet made from actual flowers from my homeland, the other ninety-nine are hand made by expert artists. If you can select the genuine from the artificial, then you have honestly demonstrated your love for me, and I will accept you as my very self."

 

King Solomon examined the bouquets for hours, carefully touching and smelling each one. Each bouquet was so perfectly constructed that there were no signs of artificiality whatsoever. Even pinching the stems produced sap, even rubbing the whorls left pollens of sweet taste and aroma on his fingers. Each bouquet was different beyond comparison. After his close examination of all one hundred bouquets, King Solomon stood next to Queen Makeda with great sadness in his heart. Suddenly, a movement outside the closed window caught the king's attention, a little bee was anxiously trying to enter. King Solomon asked his servant to open the window, and the bee flew in, unnoticed by all except the king. The little bee flew directly to a Nubian Princess dressed in gold robes and diamond headdress, holding a bouquet of red, green, and yellow flowers. The king, without hesitation selected the bouquet much to the pleasure and excitement of Queen Makeda.

 

Queen Makeda announced with great joy, "My King Solomon, although no one will ever surpass you in wealth and wisdom, you are able to take instruction from the least among you. Recognizing true wisdom by your humility, you are able to teach the world to know reality from the artificial. You have passed all my tests, thus may the Lord Jahovia be pleased to combine us in His service." The King and Queen were duly married, and their union produced the keeper of the Ark of the Covenant, the noble King Menyalek.

 

 

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Hope yall enjoyede this story of my hero, the lion of Judah, the last great and righteous ruler of the world.

 

All glories to mekeda and solomon, ys, mahaksadasa

[Guest guest]

***please forgive my doubts, but I'll stick with what our acharyas recommended

 

Hristianity it Brahma sampradaya.

[Kulapavana 0]

"Hristianity it Brahma sampradaya"

 

in a way, yes. Abraham literally means: "son of Brahma". some Vaishnava acharyas concluded that Jews actually worshipped Lord Brahma and that Jesus of Nazareth was an incarnation of Brahma who appeared in order to elevate his followers to the worship of Lord Vishnu.

[theist 1]

Then that would mean he is the same personality although in a different incarnation, that many vaisnava's trace their own sampradaya from. And whom they also adore and try to follow as Haridas Thakur.

[Guest guest]

***some Vaishnava acharyas concluded that Jews actually worshipped Lord Brahma and that Jesus of Nazareth was an incarnation of Brahma who appeared in order to elevate his followers to the worship of Lord Vishnu.

 

Yes I am agree. But christianity not only worshipping Visnu. They has some vatsalya rasa and some madhurya rasa as pray Solomon and in catolics too.

[Guest guest]

Lord Iesus come for preach for Lord Caitanya. Iesus is distribute his parampara for all world for make most easy movement Lord Caitanya.