ShegavichaRana 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2003 On taking into account last one thousand years history of India, it is seen that, India and Indians have suffered terribly due to the foreign rule. How can one account for the destruction of temples, mutts, killing of holy men, cows? Is there anything called a collective Karma of a country or a land? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaurasundara 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2003 Yogananda spoke of it in his autobiography. I haven't heard of this idea as official doctine, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonehearted 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2003 This idea was suggested twenty or so years ago by my friend Drutatkarma das when he wrote an essay called "The Myth of the Innocent Citizen." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted October 31, 2003 I personally don't believe in it. I see all karma as individual. It appears to be collective as it seems the gods will assemble a number of individuals together for a certain disaster. But if we look closer we see that within that collective each persons experience was still unique. Just yesterday I saw a story of the current fires in southern California. We can say that all those in that area had some collective fire karma but yet the story I saw was of one house in a neighborhood that was still standing while all those around it, including directly on each side of it, were burnt to the ground. Why the difference? Just my speculations. No shastra to offer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Priitaa 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2003 IMHO its both, collective and individual. Nothing happens by chance, so groups of people will gather together because they have something in common, including karma. They are often like-minded at least in some ways and will recieve their good and bad karmic reactions collectively yet on an individual level. Just my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 31, 2003 that question needs to be clarified, asking if a country recieves karma ,good or bad , is not really a very definite question. A country is not a conscious entity, it does not make decisions or create karma good or bad, it is not possible for a non sentient entity to have any kind of reciprocal relationship with Maya that will result in some kind of action/reaction. The people in the country are enjoying or suffering the results of fruitive activity based on their desire to lord it over this mundane energy,or the material world, their relative enjoyment or non enjoyment is relative to the quality of their fruitive endeavor and subsequent decisions and motivations/reactions. All of this is taking p[lace within the sphere of influence of Maya-shakti, the material energy of God, what history rolls out is not haphazard or a spontaneous karmic reality, it is as Krishna states working under His direction,His plan, the destiny of planets,countries, or individuals is all under strict supervision and following a pre planned script, So what may appear to some as collective Karma of a country,is in fact more like a play,following the direction of it's director,with the actors each with his own specific role. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tarun 6 Report post Posted October 31, 2003 Right now many Brooklyn Pakistanis r being held sans bail, sans charges. Most r totally innocent, insofar USA Immigration Law is concerned. Still, due to their passport they have to go through this. Something collective, something individual, nicht wahr? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
