Faithful and True

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REVELATION 19.11

 

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

 

"heaven opened" - from the spiritual world

"behold a white horse" - the one who wins.

 

19.12 His eyes were as flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

 

"on his head were many crowns" - it is a lot of spiritual feats and victories.

 

19.13 And he was clothed with a westure dipped in blood; and his name is called Word of God.

 

"his name is called Word of God." - the preacher.

 

19.14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, ciothed in fine linen, white and clean.

 

19.15 And out of his mouth goet a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

"And out of his mouth goet a sharp sword" - It is the sermon.

"rod of iron" - The instructions sastra.

"he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." - accelerates of anger of the God on ateists.

 

19.16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

"And he hath on his vesture ... a name written" - on his vesture a name written of God.

"KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" - it is name "Krisna".

 

19.19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on horse, and against his army.

 

20.2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.

 

"Devil, and Satan" - Kali yuga.

"thousand" - It is a lot of, period.

 

20.4 ... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the withness of Jesus, and for the word of God...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

One thousand years will live here sacred and believers in Consciousness ërisna. ( Christ, Krista, Krisna. )

 

20.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finised. ...

 

Other (non-believers) at this time will not be born.

 

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Faithful - on sanskrit is bhakti.

 

True - veda or vedanta - final true.

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19.16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

"And he hath on his vesture ... a name written" - on his vesture a name written of God.

"KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" - it is name "Krisna".

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Kalki

 

20.2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.

 

"Devil, and Satan" - Kali yuga.

"thousand" - It is a lot of, period.

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"a thousand years" - next krita yuga or next 3 yugas.

 

20.4 ... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the withness of Jesus, and for the word of God...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

One thousand years will live here sacred and believers in Consciousness ërisna. ( Christ, Krista, Krisna. )

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"These are the 64 Keys that were shown to me by Enoch and Metatron, to unite the nations for the coming of the Melchizedek Brotherhood and to make ready the final preparation for the descent of the 144,000 ascended Masters who will redeem the meek and righteous of the earth for the new life stations of universal intelligence in the higher Kingdoms of the Father."

 

20.5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finised. ...

 

Other (non-believers) at this time will not be born.

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They are the souls not to be upgraded who have to wait next cycles of 4 yugas.

 

---- My personal view

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**Kalki

 

"his name is called Word of God." (?)

 

And out of his mouth goet a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall RULE ( in satya yuga? with a rod of iron) them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

 

"And out of his mouth (?) goet a sharp sword"

 

**"a thousand years" - next krita yuga or next 3 yugas.

 

It is no possible because then discribe Lord Brahma. It is pralaya in toghether Lord Brahma some souls come in spiritual world in his karma. Am not now books for citation.

 

"KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS"

it is name "Krisna".

 

sarva carana caranam

 

Faithful and True

 

It is Prabhupada.

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20.3

 

...and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

The ambassador the satan will be released(let off) again.

 

20.5

 

...This is first ressurection.

 

All who will live in this one thousand years, will receive clearing.

 

20.10 - 20.11 Lord Brahma, book of life - book karma (...according to their works)

 

20.15

 

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Not for ever. The satan will be thrown in fire for ever (remain in the material world). But about the stayed here souls is not told that they will stay here for ever.

 

Everyone, who to not return during gold century, will stay here probably up to the end of life installed. And in the end there will be a terrible court ( court above all installed ), when Lord Brahma will leave, everyone, who has small chance will leave together with Him.

 

Because having lost the human form of life, the person similar can not receive her(it) already up to the end of life installed or having missed a case to receive clearing the following case will be only already in the end.

 

Therefore all events after gold century ( thousand years ) are not considered any more.

 

Kalki will moksa all at once.

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These are mentioning "next cycles" as well. In order to avoid literal interpretations, please refer to Persian doctrines & EII on "the interaction of 2 worlds".

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**Persian doctrines

 

What for? All is clearly stated. Can quote, if there is a desire.

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Revelation

20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

Esdras2

5:42 He said to me, "I shall liken my judgment to a circle; just as for those who are last there is no slowness, so for those who are first there is no haste."

 

Matthew

19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.

20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.

20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.

20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

 

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Advice on economy

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Don't expend too much potency for sustaining a high increment in economy. You know & I know that you are used to adopt short-term policies.

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

Good post kailasa.

[ethos 0]

We tolerate this stuff so as not to be sectarian. We know God and His various religious manifestations have their purpose according to time and circumstances.

 

But is this scriptural reference significant dialogue for the Vaisnava? Who here can make any sense out of this?

 

Come on, does any Vaisnava really feel any empathy for this mumbo–jumbo?

 

Respond as your conscience dictates, but respond as a political correct democracy. Right?

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

I think it makes a lot of sense in fact I have wondered what John was actually seeing in his head many times. I as a Vaisnava think this is a very plausible explanation of the events described in his vision.

[ethos 0]

Prabhupada felt aghast at John and ran from him and his activities while staying as his guest at his mansion.

 

Anyway, please explain your understanding in common dialogue so we can all understand it. Don't just cop out with saying you know. Explain it for the layman.

[Guest guest]

 

 

I thought it was Yoko he was running from?

[ethos 0]

He ran from John. John played a new song about frustration and drug jonesing to Prabhupada on a tape (can't remember the name) when the event happened.

 

He had a general comment that Yoko did not like the Krsna's because it would take John's attention away from her.

 

But let's not get off the subject. Show your expertise and understanding.

 

But you won't.

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

I don't blame him for running from John. I liked a lot of his songs but the guy was ultimately an impersonalist.

[ethos 0]

You are dodging (like I knew you would).

[Guest guest]

 

 

I am not an expert in Christianity nor am I a Christian but I think it is possible that Revelations was actually a vision from God and it is written down in poetic language to try and convey the vision. I do think Christ was a representative of Krishna and knew about Krishna.

[Guest guest]

 

 

 

Actually I was trying to be humorous. You know Prabhupada running from Yoko. Vaisnavas are supposed to avoid the association of women. Hahahaha Get it. ( I knew you would)

[ethos 0]

Well that's just great. But where do you find the practicality if you can't even express what you understand about Christian scripture?

 

You understand or believe or whatever but you can't formulate a cohesive thought?

 

That happens sometimes. It's just not very useful for understanding important existential concepts.

[Guest guest]

 

 

Lighten up bro. Just because you are a Hare Krishna doesn't mean you can't develop a sense of humor.

[ethos 0]

I have a good sense of humor. I cut jokes and laugh––even at people here. I just think bluffing and showing other disregard for important evidence is foolish.

 

Do you mean triviality or humor?

 

For example, this world is so silly and negligent that people––including Christians––may know who won the world series, but not who God is.

[Guest guest]

 

 

Where is your important evidence that refutes what kailasa was saying? I was merely stating that I could understand what kailasa was saying. I am not the one who put forth these arguments in the first place and you came in here and denounced everything kailasa said without putting forth any proof contrary to kailasa's assertions about the Book of Revelation.

[ethos 0]

No, you misunderstand me as alot of people here do.

 

I didn't refute what was said above. I simply asked you to explain it in layman's terms so that the meaning is more evident.

 

Where is the confusion? Calm down and re–read the posts. Then make your professed explanations about this religious scriptural dialogue. (But you won't)

[Guest guest]

 

 

My apologies I thought you said something to the effect that what use is this to a Vaisnava and who can understand this mumbo jumbo? Kailasa was trying to say that the Book of Revelations is pointing to an incarnation of the Lord.

[Guest guest]

 

 

To me an incarnation of the Lord would be relevant to a Vaisnava but who am I to determine what is relevant to a Vaisnava.

[Guest guest]

 

 

Do you think it is possible that the Devil and Satan is a metaphor for the Kali-Yuga? That is one of the things Kailasa is suggesting. He is also equating Karma with being judged for their works. He is suggesting the King of Kings and Lord of Lords is Krishna. That sounds like an apt description of Krishna. Who knows what John was thinking for sure but I wouldn't call what Kailasa has put forth mere mumbo jumbo. In my mind it is possible that John was using metaphors to describe an incarnation of the Lord.