RE: Hey

[Guest guest]

Guys wake up,all books are written,there is no proof that so and so is bigger and better than so and so god,dont glorify ur fav god and put down other gods by saying only so and so is good.

This is all fantasy stuff.There might be a god and there might not be a god,no one among us knows for sure.Is there proof?

[Guest guest]

Do you have proof your father is your real father?

 

Do you have proof your great grandfather really existed?

 

Do you have proof that whatever you learn in school is correct?

 

First of all..........are you qualified to know all this?

 

Dont be a smart ass by making look all the literature look like it is a FANTASY!

 

At the same time, dont follow BLINDLY.

 

You have brain, use scientific methods you believe to enquire into the Vedic phenomenon.

 

Albert Eintein accepted the Bhagavad Gita!

 

Enisten was one of the greatest scientist, are you telling me you know something more in science than Einstein and you are better in scientific inquiry than Albert Eisntien?

 

If Einstein has no problem and has accepted the Gita and the Vedic science, who on earth are you to come in here and talk as if you know!

 

DONT MAKE A JOKE OF YOURSELF!

 

anand

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention, I dont need Einstein to validate the Vedic science.

 

But, bone heads like you will not understand or accept the Vedic science unless we provide Material PROOF and that is why I used Einstein as an example 'cos he accepted the Gita!

 

Ofcourse, there are scientists at NASA who use vedic references for their scientific research. Again, man doesnt have to validate God!

 

I feel sorry for you!

 

anand

[Sephiroth]

Anyone gives you proof (by personal experience) - you deny it by saying this is illusion and things like that.

 

Anyone gives you proof by literature - you deny it by saying this was written by this person and that.

 

You deny logic itself by all kind of stupid theories and rules and regulations which restrains your mind and logic.

 

You deny the truth in your face as something not worthy to think twice.

 

In the end, you are just wasting everyone's time. Everyone - lets do something useful with our time instead of entertaining foolish atheists. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

PS : With you people register please ... I don't know who is writing to who here.

[Guest guest]

Do you have proof your father is your real father?

>>Yes i do have proof?Hav eu ever known DNA Testing

Do you have proof your great grandfather really existed?

>Yes i do cause my grandfather saw him

Do you have proof that whatever you learn in school is correct?

>>Probably not,just because of thats wrong this doesnt look correct.

First of all..........are you qualified to know all this?

>>Are you qualified to know all this urself

Dont be a smart ass by making look all the literature look like it is a FANTASY!

>Quit using abusing words u moron.

 

At the same time, dont follow BLINDLY.

>Ur the one who is following it blidnly.

 

You have brain, use scientific methods you believe to enquire into the Vedic phenomenon.

 

Albert Eintein accepted the Bhagavad Gita!

So what,if he accepted doesnt mean everyone should

 

Enisten was one of the greatest scientist, are you telling me you know something more in science than Einstein and you are better in scientific inquiry than Albert Eisntien?

 

Doesnt mean i should be a bigger scientist to question u guys faith.

U guys dont have real faith,that is y u r losing ur cool and calling me all this..

 

If Einstein has no problem and has accepted the Gita and the Vedic science, who on earth are you to come in here and talk as if you know!

 

DONT MAKE A JOKE OF YOURSELF!

 

 

I never did,ur doing it..have u seen god,if u guys know so much then y havent u guys seen god urself.

anand

 

[Guest guest]

OK Plain and simple,i may be a fool and u guys may be the biggest devotees on earth,but y is ur god not showing himself to u as much he is hiding from a aethist like me?

Y is there no concrete proof of how he looks like,

Agreed i might be not having the same faith that u guys have but y havent u all have seen him or got his grace.

Dont tell me u all have his grace,if u do y r u all struggling and suffering every day?

Dont tell me that im a fool,u dont know me as much as i dont know u guys,u guys r fanatics who just follow for the heck of following it and think u ll get all benefits..

 

Look at u,u got nothing after all these yrs of following..ur just in thesame shoes as someone who hasnt followed it.

[Guest guest]

Y do u guys feel sorry for me?In what way are u guys better than me can anyone please explain me that?

Eienstein might have accepted it,doesnt mean i should or u all should kiss his ass,he might have laughed when u guys call Vishnu went and retrieved the earth under the ocean.ya right if earth was under the ocean then where was the ocean in?

All moronic stories and belive in so many gods,all religions r man made and nothign comes out of it except fake faith that lets people down every day...

Dont u guys gonna die one day?

Dont u guys have problems?

Dont u guys have unfulfiled wishes as anyone else has?

 

Quit cheating urself and calling others fool,think for urself,if these stories are not fantasies then its u guys who need ur heads checked and felt sorry for and not me.

[Guest guest]

Ok....obviously from your reply, i can see your juvenile attitude and delinquent attitude.

 

First of all, you come among a group of people and have no respect for other people and just call everyone's beliefs as fanstasies. This is very rude and mean and i am in rights to call you a smart ass.

 

May be you are correct, may be it is all fantasy, even then didnt your mama teach you respect to others, apparantly not!!

 

Your replies are so 5th grade mentality- i am assuming you have no clue of how MODERN SCIENCE is conducted. Do you even know how modern science research is done - the fundamentals of scientific research. That is why you could not appreciate Albert Einsteins reference.

 

First, you have to build your hypothesis, then your conceptual framework, then your research design, then your sample or study area, then data collection and analysis and finally conclusion.

 

Any type of research has to follow the above components.

 

Now, you come here and claim all this is fantasy which means the burden of proof lies on you.

 

So, your hyposthesis-God is a Fantasy. So the way to go is to disprove your Null-Hypothesis- you disprove your statment that God does not exist. Then we can have an equal level debate.

 

I can do a qualitative research inquiry and break your backbone to say God exists, can you do the same qualitative or quantitive or for that matter mixed and prove God does not exist.

 

Merely giving statements does not suffice anymore in this day and age, you disprove the existance of God and I will accept , till then shut your pie-hole and go back home.

 

Now, your replies to DNA-testing, father saw grandfather and you make a big assumption that everyone here have problems in life, all this has no grounds.

 

While DNA testing is valid, it is still not 100% fool proof and cannot be considered and your father seeing grandfather-again is nonsense 'cos that is not PROOF.

 

Then, i can also say, my Guru saw God, my sister saw God, my neighbor saw God and so He exists, is that enough for proof.

 

So, iam asking proof that whether you know 100% and have seen and done it yourself PROOF of your father existance and grandfather existance. For that matter, i can ask, have you have proof of moon-landing. Dont give me that i can show video on TV as proof, then i will show Krishna or God on video-will you accept?

 

You show me proof- study done by you personally that your father and grandfather are true and you conduct research yourself and disprove the existance of GOD.Dont use or tell there are scientific tools to show the existance of this and that. Even if it exists, you do the study, take that proof and bring it here, if not..you know what to do- go home!

 

On the other hand, like i mentioned before, i can show qualitative and quantitive proof done by ME that GOD exists-study done not by others- i used other peoples references but i did the analysis using my own head and that is how i say i have proof. I dont think you qualify cos you are a juvenile delinquent for me to show my hard-work of God's existance.

 

If you are man-enough to do your own study to disprove Godis existance through VALID scientific inquiry, i will accept Iam in FANTASY, till then BYE BYE.

 

anand

[Guest guest]

"Null-Hypothesis- you disprove your statment that God does not exist"

 

Iam sorry- the Null hypothesis should be - YOU DISPROVE THAT GOD EXISTS -

 

anand

[Guest guest]

In the matter of prooving God, even Einstein is no better than you or me. One cannot proove God using subjective or relative phenomena. He is the absolute, the one without a second. God is both within and without. He is all that exists. So how does that which is all appear establish a presence ? Through devotion as it is said in the Gita.We call God in various names and worship him in various forms and in various moods. That God, appears us to he who seeks in whatever way He is worshipped.

By the same token, we cannot pull someone by the ear and say " here is God, u idiot.But it can be intuitively felt that, God is the first cause, or the fire in the equation as Stephen hawkings says it.

 

[Guest guest]

Hari OM

 

Experience is what you are interested for yourself, while Proof is what you want to show Others.

 

So God should be Experienced by yourself and not tried to be Prooved to Others, who is refusing to experience the God by himself (either due to laziness or arrogance)

 

And also all the "proofs" depend on some beliefs (at least one belief) , only science calls it with different name - "Assumptions"

 

 

BTW, many people are using Advaitha very superficially without understanding the meaning

 

For example you had quoted the Advaithic concept-

 

"He is the absolute, the one without a second"

 

And then proceed to talk about others, proof etc.,

 

But if you understand the above statement, then WHO is going to Proove WHAT to WHOM? even if one "W" is answered then you are moving out of Advaith.

 

[Guest guest]

See the onus lies on people who say these so called fantasy gods exist.God may be there and may not be there,but wher eis the proof,the things like neighbours say or sister saw is all BS.Did u c it?No u didnt.Did ur sister have a proof that god was with her?No it cant be questioned right?Y cant ur god give a glimpse of himself to u or ur sister and hand over a small proof.Is it that hard for a hardcore devotee like u?

[Guest guest]

Agreed i might be lazy or arrogant and not felt god,what about u guys did u guys ever see god..dont tell me u felt him in sleep or felt him with his grace..y not see him in flehs and all the decorations u have in his moorthis?

[Guest guest]

Hari OM

 

The previous poster is too much fanatic so can be ignored safely.

 

For your case you have a problem with the God or his Moorthy? i dont want see God when i realize I am God.

 

The Hinduism may be at the worst case look foolish with Idol Worship and Polytheism (that is when the worshippers forget about the principle behind it)

 

However the so-called reformist religions (Christianity, Islam ,etc.,) which came with the purpose of destroying these "evils" had succeded in some extent, but it had introduced much greater evils (like anger, fear, hatred, original/duplicate sins, judgement reserved/day...).

 

They had created much worse problems than they solved, so i am happy worshipping God through a moorthy even if it looks foolishness to you.

 

God is a very great creator, out of the zillions of life, he is not worried/cared if one of them is atheist, worships him in formless form or masculine form or feminine form or with flower or gold or water, etc., etc.,

 

He does not feel disturbed or happy by any of your actions , He has no likes and dislikes (unlike other religions which assume God inherently has a bias and works out of it, Gita tells there is none dear or hateful to Him).

 

Inspite of knowing "it is the Karma alone which functions" why we are devoted to God--- only for one reason to break away from the chain of Karma, since whatever we "DO" to break Karma will be a Karma by itself, here this Chain can be broken down only by a third party viz., God. You may ask people are worshipping Him for material benefits, God does not condemn them in Gita, but accepts them and depending on their intentions moves them up the scale towards the final goal.

 

Just create a Game theory with God Not exist/exist/ formless/ with form and Yourself as an atheist/ form worshipper and formless worshipper. You can see of all the "IF....THEN" cases, you being a "worshipper of God with Form" is the simplest and safest "case" irrespective on which case God IS

[Guest guest]

Let me put it even easier..

If the world is such a bad place that the ultimate goal is to never come here and break the chain of birth then y create the world in the first place?

Do we really have free will or everything is will of god?

Agreed god might not hate or love anyone with prejudice then y bother worshipping if the karmic destiny is going to be unaltered?If it is altered then that means god does love the person who worships him(like a politician who helps people fall in his feet)and ignores others who will continue this cycle?

So u mean to say ur god urself and dont care to see god in person..so y call lord krishna god?

Where is LORD KRISHNA Or VISHNU right now anyway?

[Guest guest]

dude.........read the Bhagavad Gita as it is by Srila Prabhupada! You will understand!

 

Dont ask where is Lord Krishna?

 

Ask if you are qualified enough to see Lord Krishna?

 

Just like.......no ordinary man on the road can see president Bush when he or she pleases, but if you are qualified...say the prime-minsiter of another country or head of state of another country...then..you can see him when you please.

 

To see a human being instantly.....we need qualification.....you think you have the qualification to see KRISHNA (the MASTER of the UNIVERSE) face to face?????

 

Only qualified people...that is....people who have dedicated their lives for Krishna....can see Krishna.

 

So...first you dedicate your entire life...meaning....sacrifice your life for KRISHNA.....then He will appear.

 

Just like....for sage Dhurvasa....Lord Krishna appeared.....Prahlad Maharaj.......Lord Krishna appeared.......in the recent past.......Srila Prabhupada has witnessed Lord Krishna with Balaram.......all these people dedicated their entire lives for sake of Krishna.......then they saw........they just did not see.....

 

so why dont you start of by doing something for GOD and may be one day you can see HIM........

 

dont ask questions.......Krishna is not an object in the market where you can buy and show it to you.....Right now.......He lives in Goloka Vrndavan and to get a ticket to Vrndavan.......you have to first be a devotee......

 

if you dont believe all this.......just leave the forum and engage in forums where there are like-minded people

 

Haribol!

 

anand

[Guest guest]

Hari OM

 

 

Basically you are making your own assumptions and trying to show as if you defeated my logic by showing your assumption , Type-IV arguer as per Nyaya Shastra (the science of arguments)

 

"Let me put it even easier.."

 

For Whom?

 

"If the world is such a bad place that the ultimate goal is to never come here and break the chain of birth then y create the world in the first place?"

 

Who told World is a bad place? As per Vedas this world is an intermediate Loka and there are better lokas than this.

 

 

"Do we really have free will or everything is will of god?"

 

As already stated God has no Will or Wish

 

 

"Agreed god might not hate or love anyone with prejudice then y bother worshipping if the karmic destiny is going to be unaltered?If it is altered then that means god does love the person who worships him(like a politician who helps people fall in his feet)and ignores others who will continue this cycle?"

 

Not heard of some thing called "Karmic destiny" it is just that your destiny is made by your Past and Present Karma (i.e., choices)

 

So when you do good at this moment then your destiny next moment slightly higher than if you do bad and this goes on and on until you stop doing Karma.

 

In the same Gita in addition to stating there is no loving or hateful to him, He also says "He stands revealed in the heart of his devotees"-- what does this mean

 

When you become a devotee then He stands revealed means, Dharma stands revealed to you so every moment you know what is Dharma and Adharma and all of your actions you can align to Dharma and progress , however He does not take away your free will still , you are still free to Do Adharma and sink further, but unlike ignorant or non-devotees who do Adharma because of confusion what is Adharma, you know do it with full revleation

 

I do wish to see God in Personal form but i am taking steps to make myself eligble for that, i am not making the up-side down argument that if and only if i see God in person i will start acting as per Dharma (as childish argument as saying only after seeing the destination I will start the travel)

 

Where is Krishna? a mystery if you solve that then your goal in life is accomplished. He stands afar and very near too.... i can give you only a hint, the thing which seperates you and Krishna is not SPACE or TIME, but it is Ignorance (and ego born of ignorance) , if you shed that you can "SEE" him right now and right before your eyes.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mine is not a childish argument,u guys r cheating urself and try to cheat others..Y do u all have this big egos to begin with and say o u gotta be qualified,o ur argument is childish etc...how can u say that when u urself r not different than me?

Doesnt ur lord say have no EGO of ME or I and all that?

Well in Mahabaratha period even Duryodana and others say krishna in flesh and blood,were they qualified?

As far as not able to see the president and comparing that with the lord?So u mean to say the lord has a price too?The president can be met if i become special,so the lord can be met if i become special to him?What difference it makes?Where is the mercy that u associate him with?

So u guys claim in childish and since ur not childish how come u have all not seen him yet?

As far not travelling without knowing the destination?

Dont u think its absurd to travel if the destination u want to go doesnt even exist?

Before judging me answer what i ask for?If u dont know the answer then say so,dont pass on judgement and boost ur ego and make urself look like a person who doesnt follow ur gods words..

[Guest guest]

U said

 

Where is Krishna? a mystery if you solve that then your goal in life is accomplished. He stands afar and very near too.... i can give you only a hint, the thing which seperates you and Krishna is not SPACE or TIME, but it is Ignorance (and ego born of ignorance) , if you shed that you can "SEE" him right now and right before your eyes.

 

O so its the EGO and ignorance that stops me to see him?Then what stops u guys to see him?Its thesame ego right?Then y do u think ur qualified to answer.what differnet r u and me then?

Who created this ego anyway?

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hari OM

 

"what differnet r u and me then?"

 

There is no difference in a strict sense between you, me, the God and the Dog all the life are "made" of a single, immutable substance called "Soul".

 

And you are very true that it is the same ego and ignorance which prevents me seeing God. i acknowledge that, understand and trying to correct it.

 

Please ask all of your questions below to a egoless, ignorance less person when you find one and let me know the answer if possible.

[Guest guest]

Havent u ever thought there can be no person without EGO.

I mean look at the puranas(who didnt have EGO) and by the way who told anyone that god will appear or reveal or ull realise when u get rid of EGO..

How can there be no EGO.What is so bad about it that god avoids a man with EGO.

I think its a easy way to keep one shut,its like say make the sun rise in the opposite direction that it does now and ill show u god.

[Guest guest]

Dont u know the story in which vishnu and brahma out of sheer EGO couldnt find the shiva lingas lenght...then where is the question of we humans not have EGO..and in such a acase r we eternally submitted to not be with god?

[Guest guest]

Hari OM

 

Read the full story not the part which suits you.

 

After the episode the story continues like appologies for ego and then realizing the Truth.

 

If you forget/ shut out that to support your logic, sorry i can't do anything.