Advaitha is SUN

[Guest guest]

Why arguement with Dvaitins, who even were not beleiving Lord Ganesha till later years. Because now they feel that it is shame on them they started some show-off by worshipping Ganesha as a formality. So when they do not worship/beleive Lord Ganesha, then its mere waste of time educating them. Let all advaitins consider them as knowledgeless kids and allow them to play there way. Madhwa matha is only limited to some part of karnataka. I have travelled round INDIA and have hardly came across people who know about MADHWA matha. And as far as Raghavendra Swamy is concerned let us not pull the great scholar becuase they (dvaitins) do so. Raghavendra Swamy was a very strict follower of saivism and performed prayer(thapas) for 12 years in kurnool on Lord Siva, any traveller can see this even today in the place called PANCHAMUKHI.

 

One last example which is common across INDIA is any unknown elederly person by mistake happens to touch any other person from his LEG, then irrespective to age factor they say apology in a typical INDIAN style as they do for GOD. This shows there is GOD in any living being which is Advaitha.

 

-sharma

[Guest guest]

every living being is part of god, not that every living being is god..

 

if you were god, you were never affected by maya and forgetful of your divine condition

 

advaita is sun if it is reconciled with dvaita through acynthia beda abeda tattva (we and god are inconcevaibly different in "quantity(supremacy)" and the same in quality")

 

dvaita and advaita alone are not sufficient to explain the existence

[Guest guest]

Yes, Advaitha means that. Non-Dual means visibility there are two but in reality it is one, which is not different from the other. You may call Sun and Sunlight as two but in reality SUN can't be seperated from SUNLIGHT nor vice versa. And as you said dvaita and advaita alone may not be sufficient to explain the existence of GOD for those who find this path difficult. The meaning of whole advaitha philosophy is to drive the human being to a better side by making him think that each and every minute particle in this universe is not-different from the Supreme Allmighty.

 

-sharma

[Guest guest]

You may call Sun and Sunlight as two but in reality SUN can't be seperated from SUNLIGHT nor vice versa.

••you are right.. but these two realities are also separated. If in your room enters the sunlight or the sun there's a big difference

 

And as you said dvaita and advaita alone may not be sufficient to explain the existence of GOD for those who find this path difficult.

••not necessarily... dvaita is not complete because does not explain why there's some energy (us) who does not belong to god, and advaita does not explain why i am not now conscious to be the whole. So the most intelligent and logic thing is that i am essentially like the supreme lord without the supremacy

 

The meaning of whole advaitha philosophy..

••...is to give a path of advancement even to those are not humble to recognize the supremacy of the lord. If you follow the ultimate instructions of sri shankara acharya, you simply give up all his stuff and surrender to govinda, the supreme lord, the param brahman.. (bhaja govindam.. mudha mate..)

[Guest guest]

"your room" = this whole living space

Therefore no difference really regarding the sun and sunlight.

 

First learn to comprehend that there is life without going after supremacy and or with a false assumption of what it takes to become supremacy. First learn to comprehend that there is possibility of life without greed.

 

Next regarding your humbleness, please learn to accept krishna as krishna and not a demi-god with saguna form to please your instincts and desires. Don't degrade krishna to saguna from nirguna, and adultrate the perfection of sat-chit-ananda in him. Shankaracharya includes vaishnavas as he appeals to vaishnavas as well bhaja govindam.. mudha mate..

[Guest guest]

"your room" = this whole living space

••whole means that there's parts and sections, space means that there's distance, living means that there's dynamism... so there's sun and sun rays. Simultaneously the same thing and different things

 

First learn to comprehend that there is life without going after supremacy

••there's no need to fantasize like that. If we have supremacy in the relative, there's also supremacy in the absolute.. i am not supreme, you are not supreme because your life has the same features as mine, god is supreme

 

First learn to comprehend that there is possibility of life without greed.

••greed is only in material environment.. in spiritual plane everyone and everything is sat(eternal) cit(all knowing) ananda (blissful).. so there's no space for greedyness

 

please learn to accept krishna as krishna

••yes.. Bhagavan Sri Krsna.. the one who possess all opulences including supremacy. The one who says "leave all other duties surrender to me and i will free you from karmic reactions.."

 

Shankaracharya includes vaishnavas as he appeals to vaishnavas as well bhaja govindam.. mudha mate..

••true vaishnavas are already worshipping govinda knowing that he's saguna (full of qualities), nirguna (with no material squalifications), bhagavan (full of opulences), param brahman (supreme). suresvara (god of all gods).

 

Mudha are others, absurd mental speculators, who do not recognize it

 

 

[Guest guest]

What do vaishnavas know as the clarity obtained from Jnana (knowledge), if there is nonsensical euphoria on ignorant thoughts such as "simultaneously the same thing & different thing" considering these as great evolution in thinking.

 

You simultaneously recognize the greed-free spiritual plane of sat-chit-ananda and the supremacy of X and also the lack-of supremacy of you & me..etc

 

How can one recognise whether you surrender to Krishna considering him as Demigod (as saguna & form features) to fulfill all your individual desires including the desire to free from karmic reactions.

 

If you truely surrender, then you would renounce all desires and might be in a position to consider krishna as krishna, the nirguna & formless as claimed by him in BG. And with the renouncing of desires you might be able to understand BG to learn & perform actions without any karmic reaction at all. And whatever imperfections in actions caused through the sincere pursuit, would be pardoned by krishna anyways.

 

bhaja govindam.. mudha mate. is applicable for worshippers of demi-gods for fulfilling their personal desires. This includes the vaishnavas, who worship krishna as demi-god thus degrading the all mighty lord krishna, the sat-chit-ananda in perfection.

[Guest guest]

ignorant thoughts such as "simultaneously the same thing & different thing" considering these as great evolution in thinking

--it is the only possibility.. you are one with the lord but you are also different, otherwise you were now perfectly conscious to be the whole.

 

How can one recognise whether you surrender to Krishna considering him as Demigod (as saguna & form features) to fulfill all your individual desires including the desire to free from karmic reactions.

---demi god means someone who's half god. And Krsna is for you an half-god if you do not think that he's transcendental also in his saguna or bhagavan aspect. So krsna is FULL GOD... brahman, paramatma and bhagavan.

The fact that i can approach krsna for egoistic motivations does not means that krsna is not the one who gives liberation. Actually everyone has mixed or corrupted reasons to approach religion, someone like you is for example, intensely struggling to concoct a philosophy where he's the supreme without any need to surrendering

 

If you truely surrender, then you would renounce all desires..

---yes.. you are right. A good start is to recognize krsna as he is, bhagavan, full of opulences. Then worshipping him, the devotion will be pure, free by pesonal interest, and the only desire will be giving him pleasure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Look at this wicked tact of vaishnavas:

->Initial step: Prove that krishna is supreme.

->Later step: Then elevate to the personal desire in which the vaishnava is giving the pleasure to krishna.

->Final position: So one is subtly supposed to understand who is really the supreme thereafter, is it the vaishnav who is renounced, or is it Lord krishna who is taking the pleasure from the vaishnav.

 

These wicked tacts to prove that the individual vaishnav is the supreme god.

 

Your definition of Demi-god is nonsense, as one can see for oneself the definition of demi-god from BG as stated by krishna.

[Guest guest]

So one is subtly supposed to understand who is really the supreme thereafter, is it the vaishnav who is renounced, or is it Lord krishna who is taking the pleasure from the vaishnav.

--that's stupid... no one says that bhakta does not receive pleasure. Bhakta receives pleasure because god is ananda, bliss, but he is not eager to serve for pleasure's purpose..

 

so god has no interest, because he cannot be egoist.. and bhakta has no interest otherwise it is not bhakti, love... but both have great pleasure by this relationship

 

spiritual environment is made of pleasure..

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Your definition of Demi-god is nonsense

--it is language... "demi" means "half".......... and if you think that god is only nirguna, or without material features and not bhagavan, full of spiritual opulences, you are thinking of an half-god..

 

all us we have some opulences (wealth, beauty and so on) and god is without opulences?

 

illogic..