A complete what ?

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Yes, Shiva is known to be living amongst the Ganas, ghosts, etc applying ash all over his body. He has been portrayed as someone who does not have any power of his own but of his consort.In one of the languages in India he is described as "Pithan" meaning crazy. His abode is described as more or less similar to that of a cremation ground. Naturally no system ever would have existed but the last of any mortal body get altered at a similar place for good so peace prvails.

 

Having said that we go on to pray two human beings one of which killed a non-enemy hiding behind trees and the other goes about lying all his life, fomenting problems to meet his power hunger(blame it on mother - see below), lolling about women to be portrayed by lesser beings as great. Mind that both were of flesh and blood and died too. Vishnu always had an agenda, else probably He would not have existed(!?), to take different Avatars to proscribe to people - whether by stories dished out or not - that good always prevail over evil.

 

I think we are heading in the right direction in trying to esatblish which system is best as rightly described in one of the great yarns of yesteryears and destroying our own belief - which is our own life. Go ahead but we will survive with all our fallacies. As described in the myth great many years ago mother Earth wanted to have Her sons play a power game that in the process she wanted to reduce her load. We were delivered with manipulators and crooks to get it done. History repeats time and again. Let us play the same power game albeit in a different way.

 

Oh No, I have committed a sin of deprecating our own Gods. Let Him/Her - whichever form He/She chooses to take - forgive me for that. Prayers to Sishubala(!?!) - his part was not played as an athiest in the concoction of life gone but you all know what happened. We have eveolved over that and we accept today all athiests and non-believers within our fold and strictures but we cannot accept what or who someone prays as his or her form of belief and goes about establishing our own supremacy of what we believe as to be the Mantra of life for everybody else. Instead of changing the bad taste of the divide that our previous generations had left with us we are concentrating on futhering their causes.

 

Most of what is being quoted in all these letters are what have been handed down generations. We were never allowed to ask questions and if any came out our mouth it would have been be glared down.The most acceptable reason for that would have been that they themselves did not know the answers to our questions or they were terrified of something. If one were to be terrified of God then we cannot call God as the benefator - poor Sishubala met with the wrath of a human being. After all we are all His/Her creations and he had to put up with all nonsense, if any, that we dish out - poor God. I accept that I was not a witness to what had been said in hand downs of the past and if I had ever been I do not remember any of it.I do not believe in hand downs but in Him/Her only. So you decide.

 

 

 

 

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Whatever you have posted is very unfortunate.

You are addressing some socio religious problem which gives little emphazie to debate and arguments.

 

The problem in your writing is that you start with the hypothesis that Rama and Krishna are wicked fellows.

Thats why you view their acts cunningly.There were so many moral values Rama showed to us? But your fault finding mind was not able to look at good things.

 

And even the so called act of cowardice is towards not a child,a yogi or a great philosopher.Ofcourse Vali is such a cheap fellow to be dealt upon directly.He degraded his own brother and covered his wife.Are you not able to find these things?When Veerapan forest brigand can be killed without law process in this Kali yuga,why not such a wicked fellow Vali in Thretha yuga?

 

Your core assumption,upon which you have built everything is false.You say our forefathers created a division.No its the changing need of the time.Ramanuja came to create a Vaishnava trend because everything seemed submerged in attributeless Brahman which is synonymous to the Allah concept of islam.

 

And you say we cannot ask questions.Have you read even the first page of Bhagavatam? It starts with question only.Question by not a yogi but a man like you and me.

 

And what you know about Shiva and esp the term Pithan?

 

Do you know the context in which Pithan word is used?

It is out of ecstasy that term is used by a devotee.

 

Ofcourse you cannot appreciate such devotional melodies for your main aim is to play smart,to pose as if a product of modern and mundane science.

 

And for all you run after this logic,advancement and seeing our forefathers as backward,I tell you,when the time comes to finish this body,it is not your logic going to come with you.

 

Please dont sit on the imaginary heights of your ego building and see down our reverred scirptures.You call them gods but what does it mean? God is one and there are no two gods.

 

So many nice revolutionary theories miserbaly failed in India which includes communanlism,buddhism,jainism,atheism(same Dravidar Kazhagam in one language) etc..

 

And dont add yourself to that number.

 

Thankyou!!!!!

Hare Krishna!!!!!!!

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Apologies as this was not meant to be a topic by itself but a continuation of an ongoing topic of whether Shiva or Vishnu is great. Instead of posting as a thread I clicked on new msg. That's the reason why you completely missed the point.I found that people of the same faith fighting to establish their own mantra on to others instead of following the tolerance that has been built in Hinduism. If you read thru the threads on such lines you may notice that it turns ugly to call a co-contributor as a coward. Sorry to say that even your reply has such intonations.

 

But let us not bring in somebody else's belief into this.

 

To quote you from your reply: "Please dont sit on the imaginary heights of your ego building and see down our reverred scirptures.You call them gods but what does it mean? God is one and there are no two gods."

 

Your last statement of the above quote reflects all as a thread to the topic of who is great. I rest my case.