Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 Hare krishna dont say themselves as hindus. they also reject hinduism. are they good to join? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 do you want to reach god or do you like only to be identified in some -ism? if you have interest ask "what is hare krishna?", "what is vaishnavism?" answering to this if gaudya vaishnavas are hindus will be not so important (gaudya vaishnava sampraday is not a new thing.. it is a branch of eternal vaishnava sampradaya and it is started from chaitanya mahaprabhu in the early 1500 now, thanks to it, thousands of people all over the world are initiated as vedic brahmins, all over the world there's radha krsna temples.. all over the world there's sri jagannath ratha yatra.. all over the world there's krsna's prasadam distribution and spreading of the cow protection concept... all over the world there's bhagavad gita and the chanting of the name of the lord.. krsna, rama, hari... so there's anything to complain but everything for indians to be proud and appreciative so please ask in a more respectiful way and we will answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 well I may not have good knowledge of hinduism. I came to know about advaita philosophy of sankara, it says about qualitative oneness of atman and brahman. When I compare that to energy that the whole world is made of : even electrons are made of particles and they in turn of energy bundles. so god should be some form of energy and qualitatively atamn and brahman also should be same. IN Sri bhagvat gita krsna also says a similar thinng. Well there is a supreme soul but that may again be a form of energy. So why hare krishna followers reject advaitist philosophy of sankara. THey mock at hinduism that its distorted form of sanatana dharma.and feel ashamed to call themselves hindus because hindus worship more than one form of god. on the other hand, advaitist websites asy that they worship all the deities including krsna. and why should not as the devotee perceives the form of krsna or any god, and that its coming from the devotee's mind. and thats never independent but experience(or conditioned). because the main property of soul when realizes itself should immerse in the supreme. if it has already seen the supreme whats it doing in the body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 yes. I also find unnecessory derogatory remarks on sankara philosophy in gita as it is. seems they desperate to proselyte their cult only. if they are true vaishnavs I have serious doubts on vaishnavs and hinduism itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I came to know about advaita philosophy of sankara, it says about qualitative oneness of atman and brahman. ••yes.. also gaudya vaishnavas (=hare krishna) believe in qualitative oneness.. but also in quantitative difference. We are one with god because we are inside god, but we are simultaneously different by him because he's supreme, we are subordinated and there's no final merging, because every personality is eternal and difference is necessary to enjoy of relationships (between us when we are realized and liberated, and us and god) so god should be some form of energy ••god is absolute and complete.. he's energy and the personal source of energy IN Sri bhagvat gita krsna also says a similar thinng. ••krsna says that our existences are eternal and that the ultimate goal is surrender to him and love him.. not lose our existence and merging So why hare krishna followers reject advaitist philosophy of sankara ••shankaracharya is not the only interpretation of vedic science.. and it is from millenniums.. shankara acharya gave his message from relatively few time. We have sri vaishnavism, we have gaudya vaishnavism from 1500.. so advaitism is not the only interpretation of vedic science. In the world and india more than 80% of hindus are vaishnava, personalists, theists... so you have the right to discuss, but do not be surprised if it has already seen the supreme whats it doing in the body? ••material body is useless, because it is meant only to interact with maya.. but we are spiritual forms, persons, and god is a form, person... in this way we relationate and get ever increasing bliss. if we have bodies, desires, relationships, love. frindship in the matter, is it logical that we have not them in the absolute? --- seems they desperate to proselyte their cult only ••all over the world there's not so much to have fear of advaitins.. so if advaitism is criticized (not shankaracharya), it is done for a sincere purpose, not for proselythism. Actually advaitism is very easy to spread.. you say that everyone's god, no rules and regulation because you are already god.. so where's the difficulty? and why avoid it is the only purpose is having followers? (actually all the modern cheaters like sai baba, osho and these new "kalkis" are all advaitists.. so it is more easy to cheat with it) if they are true vaishnavs I have serious doubts on vaishnavs and hinduism itself ••maybe you do not like vishnu and vaishnavas... advaitism is relatively new and vaishnavas are against impersonalism from time immemorial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Although I know about Sankara's Advaita Vedanta and it's relation to scientific ideas, I prefer Sri Ramanuja's Vishitadvaita (qualified monism) because I think it's more practical and easier to grasp. I'm unsure of how old Advaita is, though Adi Sankara says there were Advaitists before him. But Vishistadvaita is at least 400BC when it was written about by Bodhayana. Could it be that Vishistadvaita was the 'original way' of interpresting the Upanishads? Sri Ramanuja's movement is called Sri Vaishnavism and they DO see themselves as part of Hinduism, whereas Hare Krishnas claims to follow Madhva's Dvaita Vedanta but say they are NOT a part of Hinduism. So not all Vaishnavas say they are not Hindus - the Swaminarayans which follow Vashnavism say they are Hindus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 gaudya vaishnavas are descendants of madhvacharya but they do not follow dvaitism, but acyntya beda abeda tattva then .. said that.. you say that one maybe is not a follower of madhvacharya for such an insignificant detail of the feeling to be hindu? what is hinduism? indian nationalism? one has to be indian to practise bhagavad gita and go back to godhead? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 "what is hinduism? indian nationalism? one has to be indian to practise bhagavad gita and go back to godhead?" well, I had answered your question, though some moderator thought it would be funny to delete it. I saw the reply last night but it has been deleted now. If I reply again, it will probably be deleted, I don't know why, it wasn't offensive, though some people may not like the site I posted which was a Madhva sect who didn't accept Iskcon or their views. Also whoever deleted it may not like my description of Hinduism, though I think it's very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 if he's a real madhva, he can have only disagreement on details he cannot be overly negative wirh a movement that is bringing vishnu nama, hari nama, bhagavad gita all over the world... and i know also that this activity is bringing disciples also to the other branches of vaishnavism so if one heavily criticizes, the principles and the founders ... he's in maya i know also that many like to use the name iskcon or hare krsna (even if they are glorious names) to subtly suggest that it is a new thing, or a thing mixed with christianism, a western cult and so on NO the official name of ISKCON and HARE KRISHNA is SRI GAUDYA VAISHNAVA SAMPRADAYA that is in this way and with this style in india and other parts of the world from the beginning of 1500 so it is a very ancient and important part of indian vedic tradition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 thanks I would look for the madhava sect on the internet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 If you are confused about what the identity is and are debating joining, simply take to chant the mantra and understand it will take you to Godhead. This is different than achieving a lifestyle by saying you are in a sect. My advice is to let time prove the opulence of Godhead and make the personal decision when you are comfortable and have researched the topic. Krsna will manifest himself and realization will occur that the supreme personality of Godhead is a friend and loves all creatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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