Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Some writers have said, even if we agree that it is necessary to discuss, but why do you find it necessary to engage in criticism? First we have to differentiate between fact finding and faultfinding? To present facts and factual events which have taken place and ask intelligent and relevant question to ascertain the proper devotional conclusion and the order of the spiritual master is not faultfinding. Secondly, if there are offensive misconceptions and offensive statements made against the Sampradaya-Acarya Srila Prabhupada and the previous Acaryas, and any of His bona fide disciples and followers, then the Sastras and the Acaryas prescribe a course of action. "According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in such a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth."(23) "One should not at any time tolerate blasphemy and insults against Lord Visnu or His devotees. A devotee is generally very humble and meek, and he is reluctant to pick a quarrel with anyone. Nor does he envy anyone. However, a pure devotee immediately becomes fiery with anger when he sees that Lord Vishnu or His devotees is insulted. This is the duty of a devotee. Although a devotee maintains an attitude of meekness and gentleness, it is a great fault on his part if he remains silent when the Lord or His devotee is blasphemed."(24) "One should be very meek and humble in his personal transactions, and if insulted a Vaisnava should be tolerant and not angry. But if there is blasphemy against one's guru or another Vaishnava, one should be as angry as fire. This was exhibited by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu."... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 i am also a hare krsna devotee, i obviously sympathize with you and i agree in full with your analisys. I have even added something in the debates you were partecipating but my opinion is that all this promoting srila prabhupada and quoting him, especially the most energic things by his divine grace it is not so good if you are in a context with people who are accepting srila prabhupada as guide you can cite him as conclusive proof and advice on a subject, but if you are with people who have different opinion, who do not know prabhupada or do not care.. it can lead to offences prabhupada said that if we are discussing in an environment where vedas are not accepted we can and we must use the logic, so i feel to recommend you to keep discussing on these matters, but better to use logic and all the point accepted by the people who is in this forum.. bhagavad gita, puranas, upanishad, vedas, itihasas and so on there's plenty of helps to sustain your right opinions without exposing srila prabhupada to useless criticisms... hare krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Thank you for your suggestion prabhu. Anything that came out of Srila Prabhupada's mouth is based entirely on sastra, so he can be quoted without being made direct reference to also. I know it is very distasteful to see how some people can be so thoughtless to find fault in Lord's Krsna's dearest devotee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Anything that came out of Srila Prabhupada's mouth is based entirely on sastra, so he can be quoted without being made direct reference to also. i agree completely... but prabhupada is a reference only for who accepts him so i pray you to use more "neutral" sources to argument with non gaudya vaishnava people.. or their offences will fall also under your responsability prabhupada quoted his spiritual master in contexts where people accepted bhaktisiddhanta sarasvati as autoritative, with general people he used only logic and sometimes the scriptures, he never risked to hear offences to his master again i pray you to try to preach avoiding the rising of offences to srila prabhupada, better for you if you use only logic and scripture's verses there's no use in defeating people making them offend vaishnavas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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