Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2010 So was thinking, " phhhhht, watermellon, like where am I going to get watermellon this time of year, phhhhht...dumb " . Then today we were served watermellon juice for cinqo de maya festivies in the cafe here at ye olde grinde. This means that everything is a projection from thought and that all phenomenon is mind-made. And that we are not the body. All of our bodies drop dead, sooner than we think. So all day just viewing the dead bodies wandering around, or the soon to be dead bodies. And wondering, ??? wtf. -gale Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2010 Hi Gale, Hey, I had watermelon today too! About 'everything is a projection from thought and that all phenomenon is mind-made...Actually I believe that everything you hold in your (subconscious) belief system is projected to you. This is why we come into the physical - we get to experience(in real time) our inner beliefs and hopefully learn, change our karma and evolve consciously. I think the reason you are seeing all the dead bodies is because you have a deep hurt and loss buried inside of you - your precious mom's death. That hurt is being projected into your world you see. It means - take time - be kind to yourself - this is a major transition for you. I know that we are not our bodies - but when you are in a body - you get use to talking to people in bodies!! - even though we know your mother is right there with you - at all times. I know you miss her. If you need anything - please contact me. Hugs and Love - Helen , " elagmck " <elagmck wrote: > > So was thinking, " phhhhht, watermellon, like where am I going to get watermellon this time of year, phhhhht...dumb " . > Then today we were served watermellon juice for cinqo de maya festivies in the cafe here at ye olde grinde. > > This means that everything is a projection from thought and that all phenomenon is mind-made. And that we are not the body. All of our bodies drop dead, sooner than we think. So all day just viewing the dead bodies wandering around, or the soon to be dead bodies. > > And wondering, ??? wtf. > > -gale > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2010 Gale, For some reason your post reminded me of some books I read a long time ago: Secret Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhism, and Magic and Mystery in Tibet, both by Alexandra David Neel; also Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines (W.Y. Evans-Wentz translator). Another thing that popped into my head reading your post was the idea of getting out into nature away from people and meditating near running water, preferably a waterfall. Don't know why, but since it came to me, I thought I'd pass it along. > This means that everything is a projection from thought and >that all phenomenon is mind-made. And that we are not the body. >All of our bodies drop dead,sooner than we think. So all day >just viewing the dead bodies wandering around, >or the soon to be >dead bodies. There are scriptures in Shaivism that speak of the world being a projection of consciousness. I forget which ones - Shiva Sutras, Spanda Karika, Vijnana Bhairava - one of those. I believe you are experiencing one of the many points of view, or " positions of the assemblage point " that one can experience once Kundalini knocks our awareness out of its usually fixed location. There is a perspective out there in which one may perceive people as merely dead bodies walking around, an extreme perception of the transitoriness of existence and not necessarily a perceptual place I'd choose to stay in for too long. But stay as long as there are lessons there that Shakti wishes you to learn. Take notes in your journal. There are messages for you in these experiences. A particular perspective, containing particular realizations and understandings, is like a " scenic overlook " on the highway. You stop, check out the view, are moved and transformed by it, have various realizations, stay for as long as you and Shakti determine you need to be there, then you get back into the car, and the journey continues. There is no turning back and no standing still. Point of view is always moving and is in a state of continual transformation. When Shakti is driving, there is no fixed perspective. In some traditions, what you are perceiving about the dead bodies is used as a dharana or contemplation practice: deliberately cultivating this vision of the world as a way of viscerally experiencing the transitoriness of existence and the emptiness of phenomena. Having fully grasped these understandings, the practitioner moves on to other exercises. It's no accident that some tantrikas meditate in cemeteries and cremation grounds. Some schools of Taoism refer to all this which surrounds us as " the world of dust " . Yet the same sages produce magnificent poems and paintings that radiate love for the eternal Tao that manifests through and in these very phenomena comprising the world of dust. Ephemeral illusions, dreams of the Goddess, real and illusory, radiantly beautiful. So yes, there is a perspective available in which one is surrounded by dying bodies. You can shift your assemblage point to any of many viewpoints. Choose love and devotion and you shift to a different perspective. I think this is what Don Juan meant when he said to choose a path with heart. I think this is also one of the purposes of the emotional and awareness safeties. Since Kundalini loosens the awareness from a fixed location, we must consciously choose how we experience the world moment to moment (where we will place our attention), and the safeties help us to choose a perspective of love and inner joy. This " world of dust " can be sublimely beautiful. The corpses and everything else are Shakti's play, Her emanations. Within each of those walking corpses dwells a spark of the Divine. With your K-enhanced perception you can see both the container and that which it contains; it is up to you which one you choose focus upon. Love, David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2010 hi gale... you come into my mind at various times and I think of your loss and how you must be missing your mom... I send you love at these times. When I read what you wrote last night something came to mind but I did not share of it as I am unsure of these things... but I will share what happened to me now and hope it is ok to do so as it involves also something that danielle shared with us... when I read of you experiencing people as walking dead bodies what danielle described as her lack of sensation under her finjger tips came to me and somehow the two things seemed the same... a feeling of being outside of the typical / normal experience of body wooshed into me and wooshed out again and I did feel " it " for those moments... it had the quality of an unknow stillness and observation and perhaps a sort of seeing or experiencing from another realm... there is more to see than is seen... love julia , " Helen " <helenlooft wrote: > > Hi Gale, > > Hey, I had watermelon today too! > > About 'everything is a projection from thought and that all phenomenon is mind-made...Actually I believe that everything you hold in your (subconscious) belief system is projected to you. This is why we come into the physical - we get to experience(in real time) our inner beliefs and hopefully learn, change our karma and evolve consciously. > I think the reason you are seeing all the dead bodies is because you have a deep hurt and loss buried inside of you - your precious mom's death. That hurt is being projected into your world you see. It means - take time - be kind to yourself - this is a major transition for you. I know that we are not our bodies - but when you are in a body - you get use to talking to people in bodies!! - even though we know your mother is right there with you - at all times. I know you miss her. > If you need anything - please contact me. > > Hugs and Love - Helen > > > > , " elagmck " <elagmck@> wrote: > > > > So was thinking, " phhhhht, watermellon, like where am I going to get watermellon this time of year, phhhhht...dumb " . > > Then today we were served watermellon juice for cinqo de maya festivies in the cafe here at ye olde grinde. > > > > This means that everything is a projection from thought and that all phenomenon is mind-made. And that we are not the body. All of our bodies drop dead, sooner than we think. So all day just viewing the dead bodies wandering around, or the soon to be dead bodies. > > > > And wondering, ??? wtf. > > > > -gale > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2010 Had never looked at things that way - interesting perspective. A senior came in yesterday - this fella and I have discussed Kundalini in depth and he is on a road to spiritual growth that may indeed see K finding him or he the K. He brought up the fact that we come into the world from a place of being alive then as we enter this world we begin dying immediately. The body that is - the body is just a temple a housing a container. The real who we are needs a place to be in this realm. So yes we are all walking around in a mode of dying. One of chrism's articles gives me pause( paraphasing here) when he says that we who have taken on a body are brave and it shows our strength. It is a big deal to come into this realm and we are observed by those on the other side. They want to know how we handle things. That now includes your mom Gale- she is watching and giving her love and support to you and your family. The body may leave yet the spirit will remain. My sister said when we lost our mom that she felt she should write on her forehead: " I have no mother " that to me is not true – we not only have our earthly mother always we have Shakti with us always. The body is a temporary housing – it is not important – the deterioration is not important we know the true self is spirit – we will live forever – we may take on another body to work on more karmic traits or not. It is good that you can share what you are seeing and hearing and realizing. This will help you- the sharing helps to bring the ideas in a more knowing format not only to you but to all of us. Take the time you need Gale – do whatever it takes to bring your understanding of this earthly event to some kind of understanding. We are here for you in whatever manner you need. And yes there are no accidents – watermelon juice at a meeting – someone was saying " hello " to you. Love e Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2010 Holy cow, There are so many responses from all these 'dead bodies', omg lol. So much deep thought! Deep thinkers here. Won't be able to do justice to that which was written so excuse this reply in that way! Wow, you talked about Don Juan, my hero. Take the path with heart. He also said that all paths end in the same place ...that's why guruji tossed me, was I made that statement. Speaking of guruji, dreamed of her and the sages last night. Dreamed I was back in the group and was really glad and relieved. Was waiting my turn for shaktipat but when it was my turn the phone rang, and everyone forgot and dispersed. Then as I looked for guruji, just to get sight of her (because I love her), I saw that she despised me. Then I knew I didn't belong. It made me feel very sad and I could not understand it. And the dream had really bizarre wild and tumultuous visions as well. I've heard that Buddhists observe decaying bodies so that they really get the impermanence of the body. And India allows deterioration for the same reason. (vs the US that is constantly hiding impermanence) So it is true, I am using it as a meditation. Don Juan used to tell Carlos to continuously consult 'death' over his left shoulder. When viewing the bodies being pushed here and there it's almost comical, because the personality or the ego becomes so apparent. It's not seen as the 'person' anymore, but rather a manifestation of the consciousness that maintains the body and viewpoint. In other words, you can see worlds about a person's thinking just with one look, and you can see the illusion, that is why it's almost funny. Getting out into nature and meditating near a waterfall, that sounds like a great idea! Possible to do that this week. love, gale , " djgottlieb " <dgottlieb wrote: > > > > Gale, > > For some reason your post reminded me of some books I read a long time ago: Secret Oral Teachings in Tibetan Buddhism, and Magic and Mystery in Tibet,... Shaivism that speak of the world being a projection of consciousness... an extreme perception of the transitoriness of existence ...dead bodies is used as a dharana... Choose love and devotion and you shift to a different perspective. .... > Love, > > David > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2010 Ah ha ha ha. Yes, our bodies are the GUI to this game, lol. Sometimes at night, especially lately, I awaken to weird strong vibrations going up and down my body. It's pretty strong. And I hear what sounds like a rotating magnettosphere, whirr, whirr, whirr, whirr at about 6hz all during the vibration time. Sometimes I think it's aliens, lol. The whirring has been going on for years, since I stood in a crop circle right here in Forest Grove Oregon, but that's another story, that's why I think it's aliens, lol. The Universe is playing another practical joke, that happens a lot. Ah ha ha ha ha on the watermelon joke. I used to hate it when things would disappear until I asked for them to reappear again. Thankfully that joke doesn't happen too often anymore. You can always tell when it's a Universe joke because of the 'odds'. love, gale , " " . wrote: > > > > Had never looked at things that way -...the body is just a temple a housing a container. The real who we are needs a place to be in this realm. So yes we are all walking around in a mode of dying... watermelon juice at a meeting – someone was saying " hello " to you. > > Love > e > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2010 After a long dry spell, Im cooling a watermelon to gobble up as well YAY! Kat. ________________________________ Helen <helenlooft Wed, May 5, 2010 10:36:53 PM Re: watermellon  Hi Gale, Hey, I had watermelon today too! Hugs and Love - Helen Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " elagmck " <elagmck > wrote: > > So was thinking, " phhhhht, watermellon, like where am I going to get watermellon this time of year, phhhhht...dumb " . > Then today we were served watermellon juice for cinqo de maya festivies in the cafe here at ye olde grinde. > > This means that everything is a projection from thought and that all phenomenon is mind-made. And that we are not the body. All of our bodies drop dead, sooner than we think. So all day just viewing the dead bodies wandering around, or the soon to be dead bodies. > > And wondering, ??? wtf. > > -gale > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
