How are you working with fear?

[Guest guest]

How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the Kundalini?

How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their effectiveness in

controlling your response? Just some questions for you about fear. - Anyone? -

chrism

[Guest guest]

Hi..

 

Even though I like to think I'm not letting fear get to much space in my

life.. I do notice a strange fear when going to bed alone in the darkness...

its like seeing into a vast, deep dark ocean,where you never know what may

come up. When I feel this, I may get glimpses of seeing entities coming to

my bed, this is not comfortable but its not a fear that gets out of hand. As

soon as Ithink of Jesus og Gods light, its like that feeling takes more over

and the fear goes away as I feel more protected. I will say however that I

havent experienced, besides in dreams, meeting these ugly entities..so I

guess that the moment I do, in a more conscious way, I will need to ground

myself alot,lot more in Gods light.. I will need to be able to recall that

light AND THE FEELING of love and protection way more effective thatn I'm

able to do now. I hope Gods light helps me in this.

 

 

 

Love and light

 

Jonas

 

 

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:33 AM, <> wrote:

 

>

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

> Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

> effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you

> about fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

the repeating cicles of fear are for me the most effective tool for overcoming

them..

no amount of " will " or thinking process and reasoning seems to get me though

them when they arise... what I am finding very effective is simply staying as

aware as possible and allowing myself to question their reality in that moment.

allow myself to toy with the idea that they may indeed not be so valid as they

feel, as reason feels them to be.

to separate myself form the emotions just a little bit. it does not seem to

have results in the moment, but I do see, over a span of time, that something

indeed seems to be moving...

lucia

 

 

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting questions.... I will try answering....

 

I have felt fear manifest in many different ways over the years. The obvious

type and " blatent " type of fear is not such a common experience for me any more.

( hope that statement will not prompt K to test me ...lol)

 

I " know " that there is really nothing to fear from the weird or the wonderful

that K brings. But in the changes that I am making in my life, in the changes

that K demands, I am now more aware of a subtle type of fear that is present.

This " variety " of fear rises very quietly and has its roots in my youth and in

my ego's view of who I am and what I am and in all of my past conditioning.

These fears, or this fear, has had more control over how I respond to the

Kundalini than I would have realised because I would not have been aware at the

time that what I was feeling was actully fear.

 

This fear comes from the core of me... it is about my fear of being different,

my fear of being wrong, my fear of being ridiculed, my fear of being

marganalized, my fear of being punished, my fear of disapproval, my fear of x y

and z... I could go on and on and on.

 

I have surrendered many of these fears as best I could but even so I needed and

still need lessons of repetition.... the lessons are given again and again in

diffeernt ways and I then discover that I have not in fact surrendered the

fears, they still exist. They have been weaved so tightly into my core. Fear

is actually the skeleton that supports most of my put on disguises. Sometimes I

discover that I have no longer a connection to some of my past fears and that is

a joyful freedom...

..

I am enjoying the fact that I know more about myself. I love that K guides me

and also challenges me to drop fears and respond to her from love... even if it

should turn out that some of the fears never compleatly leave me, ( and I think

this might be likely) I can learn and maybe I am learning to live with them, to

allow their presence but not be ruled by them.... So a work in progress, which

I feel might have no end ??

 

love julia

 

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Master and all,

Fearing less, duality mess

Void full, still individual

Supreme personal, deep well

Material senses, penances

Needs-wants-lust, not just

Akarmic, more dharmic

service-acts-duty, beauty

Knowledge-devotion, liberation

Gods kingdom, serves freedom

Service no different, in light is ment

Never retire, acts purifies heart desire

 

 

What I'm really saying is I'm loosing fear of loosing self as merging with god

as I'm realizing all is god, and I'm still me in it all.

all are god to me. I'm surrounded

There are no enemies in this context, just love and light.

 

It is as it is, fear is judgement which largely just seperates

so when I feel fear I draw dear to remembrances like these.

Shanti and prem, tim

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 

 

" " <>

Fri, 23 Apr 2010 06:33:45

 

How are you working with fear?

 

How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the Kundalini?

How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their effectiveness in

controlling your response? Just some questions for you about fear. - Anyone? -

chrism

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wrote most of the following the first day this was posted, but did not post

it. I decided today to finish go ahead and post it.

 

I have been meditating on this throughout the day and evening and now into

night. I could not go to sleep for my mind was racing about it all. I must

say my fears, which are many, are being worked through as I practice the

safeties each day. The more the safeties become an automatic part of me the

easier my fears are eliminated, but I still do have deep rooted fears that keep

coming up when something triggers them, (Like some teaching here that appears to

go totally opposite of my christian beliefs.) LOL! ...then I am in like a

whirlwind trying to regain balance, which is fairly often.

 

Learning to trust God that I am not being lead wrong. I try to keep an open mind

and I am definitely being stretched to the max to be here. It is not easy. Fear

of being brainwashed is a big one for me. It caused me much fear when Claudia,

Kat and then Julie left, and now Dhyana and Sarita are not around much any more

either. I feel more alone with them all gone, not as connected.

 

I am here because I started the practice of meditation, which cause kundalini to

activate. I hope and trust that it was the Holy Spirit that lead me to this. The

bible doesn't say what type of meditation Jesus did or taught his disciples to

do. I do not think the bible even says he taught meditation. I guess it could be

something they all did and was so common they did not feel a need to write

about. If you google " meditation/ quieting the mind in the bible " you get

zero....nothing, but it seems like I had read about meditation somewhere in the

bible. Searching on traditional christian/bibical site they all said meditation

was not taught in the bible. The mystic Christians teach comtemplative

meditation and prayer, which states the opposite.

 

So I meditated upon that until I remember the phrase..hehe! It is found in

Psalm 19:14 - Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be

acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

I searched farther and found this verse in Gen 24: 63 - Isaac went out to

meditate in the field toward evening;

 

I found many more verses about meditating on God and creation, so a form of

meditation is found in the bible.

 

John 21:25 - And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if

they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not

contain the books that should be written.

 

John 20:30 - And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his

disciples, which are not written in this book.

 

So right there the bible writers themselves say a lot of Jesus's teachings were

left out, but we are given the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us in the way we

should go. I just have to continue surrendering the fears and trust I am being

guided correctly.

 

Linda

 

, " "

<> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

I think some fears are deeply hidden within for me. And ego has taken control of

some of the responses to these deeply hidden fears. Ego has made the fear

response so normal that it is difficult to discern when ego is controlling, when

fear is controlling. Some of these fears may be handed to me from my family or

society, some I created.

 

I will keep working on discerning where truth is. Discerning if something is

true and if I am really acting out of my own highest best interests and that of

divinity, or if i am acting out of fear, out of ego, acting from within the

comfort zone that the fear and ego have created.

 

I think the Kundalini points me to these fears, (and the teacher) so I can

resolve these issues and allow the Kundalini in more. The repetition occurs

until i realize where the fear is to release. And it keeps occuring until I've

released the fear enough to move on to the next issue.

 

I think my comfort zones can help me assess where some of my fears lie.

 

Fearlessly yours (or working on it anyway!), bradly

 

> >

> > How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

> >

>

[Guest guest]

my fear manifests itself in imagined tragic scenes that often involve my

childrenor my spouse...if they are late i wonder about a car accident or any

thing else that could be possible in south africa..these thoughts come into my

mind and i have to throw them out and think be in the moment...everything is as

it should be right now...i sometimes think that i have this in my cellular

memory from my mother who was the worst panic person that i know...a

psychologist sad that it is perhaps a way that i use to protect myself so that

when something terible happend i imagine that i will be prepared ..by thinking

of the possible terrble scenario i buffer the effect...i wake in the night and

these imaginings come into my head and i have to consciously cast them out but

in a split second i have imagined the disaster the ambulance police and

paramedics are all there and the trip to the hospital...is this my fear that i

feell that i will not cope with such

horrific tragedies or is it my fear in general that i need to overcome...i have

not fear of the phenomena that occur .. i feell no fear from seeing objects

feeling strange movements in my body or of falling or floating or with unusual

things happenin i think i can communicate my amusement to shakti regarding these

even the electronic equipment that fails to work for me but it does when others

try...is this my fear...or is it something else am i too attached to those i

love?? am able to handle death in the sense that having travelled so much in my

youth..even friends i made in countries far away have gone from my life as i

never saw them again...adn so died...any thoughts on my thinking...?? 

 

peace and light

m

 

 

 

 

________________________________

lari.lu <lari.lu

 

Fri, April 23, 2010 3:37:05 PM

Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

the repeating cicles of fear are for me the most effective tool for overcoming

them..

no amount of " will " or thinking process and reasoning seems to get me though

them when they arise... what I am finding very effective is simply staying as

aware as possible and allowing myself to question their reality in that moment.

allow myself to toy with the idea that they may indeed not be so valid as they

feel, as reason feels them to be.

to separate myself form the emotions just a little bit. it does not seem to have

results in the moment, but I do see, over a span of time, that something indeed

seems to be moving...

lucia

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " "

<@ ...> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Linda, I try to re-frame from posting much on this topic. Out of love

I'll say what your looking for is

in Gnostic text. Some gospels which are not included in the bible can be found

there. I myself enjoy the

book of John...currently on netflix is a movie called The Gospel of John that

narrates word for word. I find

great understanding in it. From the Gospel of Thomas... Jesus said, " The

pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden

them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who

wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves. "

Love,

Kat.

 

 

 

________________________________

danceswithcats999 <crazycats711

 

Sun, April 25, 2010 6:15:48 PM

Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

 

I am here because I started the practice of meditation, which cause kundalini to

activate. I hope and trust that it was the Holy Spirit that lead me to this. The

bible doesn't say what type of meditation Jesus did or taught his disciples to

do. I do not think the bible even says he taught meditation. I guess it could be

something they all did and was so common they did not feel a need to write

about. If you google " meditation/ quieting the mind in the bible " you get

zero....nothing, but it seems like I had read about meditation somewhere in the

bible. Searching on traditional christian/bibical site they all said meditation

was not taught in the bible. The mystic Christians teach comtemplative

meditation and prayer, which states the opposite.

 

So I meditated upon that until I remember the phrase..hehe! It is found in Psalm

19:14 - Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable

in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

I searched farther and found this verse in Gen 24: 63 - Isaac went out to

meditate in the field toward evening;

 

I found many more verses about meditating on God and creation, so a form of

meditation is found in the bible.

 

John 21:25 - And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if

they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not

contain the books that should be written.

 

John 20:30 - And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his

disciples, which are not written in this book.

 

So right there the bible writers themselves say a lot of Jesus's teachings were

left out, but we are given the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us in the way we

should go. I just have to continue surrendering the fears and trust I am being

guided correctly.

 

Linda

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " "

<@ ...> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat, Thanks for your post. I have read a little on the gnostic textm but

decide not to get into it since they are much like the bible and could become

confusing, the mixing that is. I have somewhat a problem with those text, since

they were written many hundred's of years after the gospel text that is included

in the bible, but they use Bible character as having been the one who wrote

them. Most of the diciples were long dead by that time.

What you quoted from the Gospel of Thomas is found in the bible, btw.

Matthew 10:16 (King James Version)

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore

wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

Love,

Linda

 

, katharine walker

<kzenith13 wrote:

>

They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish

to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves. "

> Love,

> Kat.

[Guest guest]

I used to do that a lot, especially in my younger days. I still catch myself

doing it at times. I just take note and discontinue the thought.

 

I thank women probably do this more so than men... maybe have roots in our

feelings of security. I think that is what is was for me, anyways.

 

If it keeps persisting, I can just pick up the cell phone and dail a number,

now. Thank God for cell phones!

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

, Flower Theresa

<flowertheresa99 wrote:

>

> my fear manifests itself in imagined tragic scenes that often involve my

childrenor my spouse...if they are late i wonder about a car accident or any

thing else > peace and light

> m

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Linda, yes Ive thought about that as well. Very different versions indeed. To

tell the truth I never spent

much time reading any religious text. I'm pretty well a blank slate in that

department. I simply stumble

upon things that are hard for me to discount such as KAS and those text.

 Blessings,

Kat.

 

 

 

________________________________

danceswithcats999 <crazycats711

 

Mon, April 26, 2010 3:01:42 PM

Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

Hi Kat, Thanks for your post. I have read a little on the gnostic textm but

decide not to get into it since they are much like the bible and could become

confusing, the mixing that is. I have somewhat a problem with those text, since

they were written many hundred's of years after the gospel text that is included

in the bible, but they use Bible character as having been the one who wrote

them. Most of the diciples were long dead by that time.

What you quoted from the Gospel of Thomas is found in the bible, btw.

Matthew 10:16 (King James Version)

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore

wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

Love,

Linda

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , katharine walker

<kzenith13@. ..> wrote:

>

They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish

to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves. "

> Love,

> Kat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

________________________________

Flower Theresa <flowertheresa99

 

Mon, April 26, 2010 2:50:10 PM

Re: Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

my fear manifests itself in imagined tragic scenes that often involve my

childrenor my spouse...if they are late i wonder about a car accident or any

thing else that could be possible in south africa..these thoughts come into my

mind and i have to throw them out and think be in the moment...everything is as

it should be right now...i sometimes think that i have this in my cellular

memory from my mother who was the worst panic person that i know...a

psychologist sad that it is perhaps a way that i use to protect myself so that

when something terible happend i imagine that i will be prepared ..by thinking

of the possible terrble scenario i buffer the effect...i wake in the night and

these imaginings come into my head and i have to consciously cast them out but

in a split second i have imagined the disaster the ambulance police and

paramedics are all there and the trip to the hospital...is this my fear that i

feell that i will not cope with such

horrific tragedies or is it my fear in general that i need to overcome...i have

not fear of the phenomena that occur .. i feell no fear from seeing objects

feeling strange movements in my body or of falling or floating or with unusual

things happenin i think i can communicate my amusement to shakti regarding these

even the electronic equipment that fails to work for me but it does when others

try...is this my fear...or is it something else am i too attached to those i

love?? am able to handle death in the sense that having travelled so much in my

youth..even friends i made in countries far away have gone from my life as i

never saw them again...adn so died...any thoughts on my thinking...? ? 

 

peace and light

m

 

____________ _________ _________ __

lari.lu <lari.lu (AT) (DOT) it>

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1

Fri, April 23, 2010 3:37:05 PM

[Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

the repeating cicles of fear are for me the most effective tool for overcoming

them..

no amount of " will " or thinking process and reasoning seems to get me though

them when they arise... what I am finding very effective is simply staying as

aware as possible and allowing myself to question their reality in that moment.

allow myself to toy with the idea that they may indeed not be so valid as they

feel, as reason feels them to be.

to separate myself form the emotions just a little bit. it does not seem to have

results in the moment, but I do see, over a span of time, that something indeed

seems to be moving...

lucia

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " "

<@ ...> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello M, As I just posted recently, I spent a long time sitting with this. I

drove myself to the extremes with

this...the fear of death is a universal fear we all experience at one time or

another. Ive worked threw it and

for me it was alot about abandonment...for if I died they would be alone...and

if they died I would be without

them. Wrap this up in the fear of not having control of this or the need

to...ouch. We Kundalini people know

for a fact we are not alone...our loved ones are not either. When they leave us,

they are greeted with love, joy

and happiness...would we deny or envy them this? I wasted alot of time not

allowing them or myself to simply

enjoy our time together. It is all about surrender isn't Hope maybe you gain

a little insight on my experience.

Wow I really have changed alot!

Love,

Kat.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Flower Theresa <flowertheresa99

 

Fri, May 7, 2010 8:33:41 AM

Re: Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Flower Theresa <flowertheresa99@ >

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1

Mon, April 26, 2010 2:50:10 PM

Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: How are you working with

fear?

 

 

my fear manifests itself in imagined tragic scenes that often involve my

childrenor my spouse...if they are late i wonder about a car accident or any

thing else that could be possible in south africa..these thoughts come into my

mind and i have to throw them out and think be in the moment...everything is as

it should be right now...i sometimes think that i have this in my cellular

memory from my mother who was the worst panic person that i know...a

psychologist sad that it is perhaps a way that i use to protect myself so that

when something terible happend i imagine that i will be prepared ..by thinking

of the possible terrble scenario i buffer the effect...i wake in the night and

these imaginings come into my head and i have to consciously cast them out but

in a split second i have imagined the disaster the ambulance police and

paramedics are all there and the trip to the hospital...is this my fear that i

feell that i will not cope with such

horrific tragedies or is it my fear in general that i need to overcome...i have

not fear of the phenomena that occur .. i feell no fear from seeing objects

feeling strange movements in my body or of falling or floating or with unusual

things happenin i think i can communicate my amusement to shakti regarding these

even the electronic equipment that fails to work for me but it does when others

try...is this my fear...or is it something else am i too attached to those i

love?? am able to handle death in the sense that having travelled so much in my

youth..even friends i made in countries far away have gone from my life as i

never saw them again...adn so died...any thoughts on my thinking...? ? 

 

peace and light

m

 

____________ _________ _________ __

lari.lu <lari.lu (AT) (DOT) it>

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1

Fri, April 23, 2010 3:37:05 PM

[Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: How are you working with fear?

 

 

the repeating cicles of fear are for me the most effective tool for overcoming

them..

no amount of " will " or thinking process and reasoning seems to get me though

them when they arise... what I am finding very effective is simply staying as

aware as possible and allowing myself to question their reality in that moment.

allow myself to toy with the idea that they may indeed not be so valid as they

feel, as reason feels them to be.

to separate myself form the emotions just a little bit. it does not seem to have

results in the moment, but I do see, over a span of time, that something indeed

seems to be moving...

lucia

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " "

<@ ...> wrote:

>

> How is it working through you? Does it control how you respond to the

Kundalini? How meaningful is repetition of your fears to lose their

effectiveness in controlling your response? Just some questions for you about

fear. - Anyone? - chrism

>

 

 

[Guest guest]

A Buddhist friend suggested 'getting up very close to the fear'  the physical

feeling, and then, like all feelings, it will disintegrate and pass away.  This

has really helped me.

Joanna