Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 Hari OM, Namaste, I have recently heard of John Crowder an evangelist helping the masses to get intoxicated on God with imaginary smoking of Jehovawana and drinking Godka (as in marijuana and vodka)and these people, some of them appear to be experiencing kriyas while in trance as do people when experiencing intence shaktipat. John Crowder is also offering 'Mystery Schools' with the following Operate in Trances, Raptures & Ecstatic Prayer Experience Physical Phenomena of Mysticism Get Activated in Creative Miracles, Signs & Wonders Understand & Access New Creation Realities Gain A Historical Grid of Miracle Workers & Mystics Be Activated in the Seer Realm, Prophecy, Spirit Travel Receive Open Heavens & Revelatory Understanding Access and Manifest the Glory Realm There are youtube videos too to watch of the intoxication from the evangelelism etc. Is this shaktipat? Is this hypnosis? Is this something else? Is this Real? Usually when I write something - as I write it I percieve the answers to my question, but here and now I do not. Satchitananda~jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 Jeremy, As far as I know, intoxicants like alcohol only foster the dark. Marijuana can have some positive attributes, but it can make you stupid. especially when you combine the two. Like says, the only plant that should be used for K activation is Yage. I have used mushrooms and Lsd and mescaline for out of body experiences, but would not reccomend their use outside of a trusted shamen or the like. The potential for auric damage is too great and then you would have no protection and the rest of your life would be basically insane. Trust only shakti within and use only your intuition to guide you. The people you speak of are being used and duped into a false sense of enlightenment. I hope you can see the potential damage that can be done if these ways are used. Love, Scott ________________________________ Jeremy <jezzwhizz Mon, February 22, 2010 3:01:06 PM Sons of Thunder John Crowder Hari OM, Namaste, I have recently heard of John Crowder an evangelist helping the masses to get intoxicated on God with imaginary smoking of Jehovawana and drinking Godka (as in marijuana and vodka)and these people, some of them appear to be experiencing kriyas while in trance as do people when experiencing intence shaktipat. John Crowder is also offering 'Mystery Schools' with the following Operate in Trances, Raptures & Ecstatic Prayer Experience Physical Phenomena of Mysticism Get Activated in Creative Miracles, Signs & Wonders Understand & Access New Creation Realities Gain A Historical Grid of Miracle Workers & Mystics Be Activated in the Seer Realm, Prophecy, Spirit Travel Receive Open Heavens & Revelatory Understanding Access and Manifest the Glory Realm There are youtube videos too to watch of the intoxication from the evangelelism etc. Is this shaktipat? Is this hypnosis? Is this something else? Is this Real? Usually when I write something - as I write it I percieve the answers to my question, but here and now I do not. Satchitananda~ jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 When I re-read your post I saw the word imaginary about the pot and vodka. My mistake. I hope my reply doesn't look stupid. ________________________________ Jeremy <jezzwhizz Mon, February 22, 2010 3:01:06 PM Sons of Thunder John Crowder Hari OM, Namaste, I have recently heard of John Crowder an evangelist helping the masses to get intoxicated on God with imaginary smoking of Jehovawana and drinking Godka (as in marijuana and vodka)and these people, some of them appear to be experiencing kriyas while in trance as do people when experiencing intence shaktipat. John Crowder is also offering 'Mystery Schools' with the following Operate in Trances, Raptures & Ecstatic Prayer Experience Physical Phenomena of Mysticism Get Activated in Creative Miracles, Signs & Wonders Understand & Access New Creation Realities Gain A Historical Grid of Miracle Workers & Mystics Be Activated in the Seer Realm, Prophecy, Spirit Travel Receive Open Heavens & Revelatory Understanding Access and Manifest the Glory Realm There are youtube videos too to watch of the intoxication from the evangelelism etc. Is this shaktipat? Is this hypnosis? Is this something else? Is this Real? Usually when I write something - as I write it I percieve the answers to my question, but here and now I do not. Satchitananda~ jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 Have you ever heard of being " drunk in the Holy Spirit " I've seen it, I've been to many churches where they are dancing and speaking in toungues and all that stuff. It was pretty awesome, but as a kid a little terrifying. But it's real. Maybe that's what this guy is talking about? Laura , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz wrote: > > Hari OM, Namaste, > I have recently heard of John Crowder an evangelist helping the masses to get intoxicated on God with imaginary smoking of Jehovawana and drinking Godka (as in marijuana and vodka)and these people, some of them appear to be experiencing kriyas while in trance as do people when experiencing intence shaktipat. > John Crowder is also offering 'Mystery Schools' with the following > > Operate in Trances, Raptures & Ecstatic Prayer > Experience Physical Phenomena of Mysticism > Get Activated in Creative Miracles, Signs & Wonders > Understand & Access New Creation Realities > Gain A Historical Grid of Miracle Workers & Mystics > Be Activated in the Seer Realm, Prophecy, Spirit Travel > Receive Open Heavens & Revelatory Understanding > Access and Manifest the Glory Realm > > There are youtube videos too to watch of the intoxication from the evangelelism etc. > > Is this shaktipat? Is this hypnosis? Is this something else? Is this Real? > > Usually when I write something - as I write it I percieve the answers > to my question, but here and now I do not. > > Satchitananda~jeremy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 I have, that is the type of church I attended the whole year I lived in North Dakota. It was a Vineyard Church and was totally free in the Spirit compare to the Full Gospel churches here in Texas, although I am sure there are some around, but not here in Victoria. I have experienced that, being " drunk in the Holy Spirit " . LOL! Love, Linda , " Laura " <lo1o113 wrote: > > Have you ever heard of being " drunk in the Holy Spirit " I've seen it, I've been to many churches where they are dancing and speaking in toungues and all that stuff. It was pretty awesome, but as a kid a little terrifying. But it's real. Maybe that's what this guy is talking about? > > Laura > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: >> > Satchitananda~jeremy > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 You have? That's awesome Linda! Laura , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > > I have, that is the type of church I attended the whole year I lived in North Dakota. It was a Vineyard Church and was totally free in the Spirit compare to the Full Gospel churches here in Texas, although I am sure there are some around, but not here in Victoria. > > I have experienced that, being " drunk in the Holy Spirit " . LOL! > > Love, > Linda > > , " Laura " <lo1o113@> wrote: > > > > Have you ever heard of being " drunk in the Holy Spirit " I've seen it, I've been to many churches where they are dancing and speaking in toungues and all that stuff. It was pretty awesome, but as a kid a little terrifying. But it's real. Maybe that's what this guy is talking about? > > > > Laura > > > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > >> > Satchitananda~jeremy > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 Hocus Pokus. Don't go there. Love & Light, Pamela , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz wrote: > > Hari OM, Namaste, > I have recently heard of John Crowder an evangelist helping the masses to get intoxicated on God with imaginary smoking of Jehovawana and drinking Godka (as in marijuana and vodka)and these people, some of them appear to be experiencing kriyas while in trance as do people when experiencing intence shaktipat. > John Crowder is also offering 'Mystery Schools' with the following > > Operate in Trances, Raptures & Ecstatic Prayer > Experience Physical Phenomena of Mysticism > Get Activated in Creative Miracles, Signs & Wonders > Understand & Access New Creation Realities > Gain A Historical Grid of Miracle Workers & Mystics > Be Activated in the Seer Realm, Prophecy, Spirit Travel > Receive Open Heavens & Revelatory Understanding > Access and Manifest the Glory Realm > > There are youtube videos too to watch of the intoxication from the evangelelism etc. > > Is this shaktipat? Is this hypnosis? Is this something else? Is this Real? > > Usually when I write something - as I write it I percieve the answers > to my question, but here and now I do not. > > Satchitananda~jeremy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 22, 2010 I agree Pamela,I went to youtube to check him out and these guys did appear to me as bogus. The oj oj oj sound, is the same as I heard from that Todd Bentley character. His ministry is much the same, but maybe a little tamer. LOL! It is not anything like the sound of tongues I have experienced. Linda , " pkmorphew " <pkmorphew wrote: > > Hocus Pokus. > Don't go there. > Love & Light, Pamela > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 23, 2010 That is too bad, I would like to think it is real... Laura , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I agree Pamela,I went to youtube to check him out and these guys did appear to me as bogus. The oj oj oj sound, is the same as I heard from that Todd Bentley character. His ministry is much the same, but maybe a little tamer. LOL! It is not anything like the sound of tongues I have experienced. > > Linda > > , " pkmorphew " <pkmorphew@> wrote: > > > > Hocus Pokus. > > Don't go there. > > Love & Light, Pamela > > > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 23, 2010 I suppose it could be real Laura, it is real in that it is happening. It just did not resonate with me. It reminded me too much of TV evangelist and their showy exaggerations. People are desparate for healings. IMO, it is their believing that is healing themselves. Linda , " Laura " <lo1o113 wrote: > > That is too bad, I would like to think it is real... > > Laura > > , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > I agree Pamela,I went to youtube to check him out and these guys did appear to me as bogus. The oj oj oj sound, is the same as I heard from that Todd Bentley character. His ministry is much the same, but maybe a little tamer. LOL! It is not anything like the sound of tongues I have experienced. > > > > Linda > > > > , " pkmorphew " <pkmorphew@> wrote: > > > > > > Hocus Pokus. > > > Don't go there. > > > Love & Light, Pamela > > > > > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 23, 2010 Your right Linda, It starts with the believing. Very powerful. Laura , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I suppose it could be real Laura, it is real in that it is happening. It just did not resonate with me. It reminded me too much of TV evangelist and their showy exaggerations. People are desparate for healings. IMO, it is their believing that is healing themselves. > > Linda > > , " Laura " <lo1o113@> wrote: > > > > That is too bad, I would like to think it is real... > > > > Laura > > > > , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > I agree Pamela,I went to youtube to check him out and these guys did appear to me as bogus. The oj oj oj sound, is the same as I heard from that Todd Bentley character. His ministry is much the same, but maybe a little tamer. LOL! It is not anything like the sound of tongues I have experienced. > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > , " pkmorphew " <pkmorphew@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hocus Pokus. > > > > Don't go there. > > > > Love & Light, Pamela > > > > > > > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Thanks for everyone's postings. I always struggled with evangelism, could never quite put my finger on it, intellectually believing that for some it must be true descent of the Holy Spirit and for some a form of mass hypnosis. My own posting, and the replies I have received confirms in a concrete form my statement. It is a collective mass hypnosis, but for the odd chosen one it is an experience of the Holy Spirit. It seems clear healing is not from a minister, or an evangelical meeting, healing is direct from the Soul , or Shakti, or maybe from Grace, yes Grace and the Soul. Please forgive me if I am wrong, or have said anything offensive to an individual, I am a student with little or no wisdom. Bleesings to All...Satchitananda~jeremy , " Laura " <lo1o113 wrote: > > Your right Linda, > It starts with the believing. Very powerful. > > Laura > > , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > I suppose it could be real Laura, it is real in that it is happening. It just did not resonate with me. It reminded me too much of TV evangelist and their showy exaggerations. People are desparate for healings. IMO, it is their believing that is healing themselves. > > > > Linda > > > > , " Laura " <lo1o113@> wrote: > > > > > > That is too bad, I would like to think it is real... > > > > > > Laura > > > > > > , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree Pamela,I went to youtube to check him out and these guys did appear to me as bogus. The oj oj oj sound, is the same as I heard from that Todd Bentley character. His ministry is much the same, but maybe a little tamer. LOL! It is not anything like the sound of tongues I have experienced. > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > , " pkmorphew " <pkmorphew@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hocus Pokus. > > > > > Don't go there. > > > > > Love & Light, Pamela > > > > > > > > > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 I would say you hit the nail on the head, Jeremy. Anyone who has heard real glossalia would know this guy's is a fake. Linda , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz wrote: > > Thanks for everyone's postings. I always struggled with evangelism, could never quite put my finger on it, intellectually believing that for some it must be true descent of the Holy Spirit and for some a form of mass hypnosis. My own posting, and the replies I have received confirms in a concrete form my statement. It is a collective mass hypnosis, but for the odd chosen one it is an experience of the Holy Spirit. It seems clear healing is not from a minister, or an evangelical meeting, healing is direct from the Soul , or Shakti, or maybe from Grace, yes Grace and the Soul. Please forgive me if I am wrong, or have said anything offensive to an individual, I am a student with little or no wisdom. Bleesings to All...Satchitananda~jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 I think you hit it nail on too Jeremy. It is Grace, God's grace. To tell if this guy is fake is not for us, only God knows his heart and if he takes credit for all of this " healing " then he's not real. Simple. Laura , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I would say you hit the nail on the head, Jeremy. Anyone who has heard real glossalia would know this guy's is a fake. > > Linda > > > , " Jeremy " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for everyone's postings. I always struggled with evangelism, could never quite put my finger on it, intellectually believing that for some it must be true descent of the Holy Spirit and for some a form of mass hypnosis. My own posting, and the replies I have received confirms in a concrete form my statement. It is a collective mass hypnosis, but for the odd chosen one it is an experience of the Holy Spirit. It seems clear healing is not from a minister, or an evangelical meeting, healing is direct from the Soul , or Shakti, or maybe from Grace, yes Grace and the Soul. Please forgive me if I am wrong, or have said anything offensive to an individual, I am a student with little or no wisdom. Bleesings to All...Satchitananda~jeremy > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 I was talking about his glossalia being fake. I don't know if he takes credit for the healings or not. I just watched a few of his videos. God's grace can come through anyone I would think. I read one article where this person was comparing him to Dr. Gene Scott, who was a pentecostal preacher who smoked and drinked and was into betting on horse racing. He, Gene Scott made fun of people who spoke in tongues. LOL! That is sort of what it appears to me that John Crowder is doing...making fun of glossalia with his obvious fake tongue speaking. Anyways, I loved listening to Dr. Gene Scott, when he spoke/taught it was something with meaning rather than meaningless chatter. Big difference! Linda , " Laura " <lo1o113 wrote: > > I think you hit it nail on too Jeremy. It is Grace, God's grace. > To tell if this guy is fake is not for us, only God knows his heart and if he takes credit for all of this " healing " then he's not real. Simple. > > Laura Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Oh, I don't even know what glossalia means, LOL! I'll have to google that one. Your right...no one wants to listen to meaningless chatter. Laura , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I was talking about his glossalia being fake. I don't know if he takes credit for the healings or not. I just watched a few of his videos. God's grace can come through anyone I would think. > > I read one article where this person was comparing him to Dr. Gene Scott, who was a pentecostal preacher who smoked and drinked and was into betting on horse racing. He, Gene Scott made fun of people who spoke in tongues. LOL! That is sort of what it appears to me that John Crowder is doing...making fun of glossalia with his obvious fake tongue speaking. Anyways, I loved listening to Dr. Gene Scott, when he spoke/taught it was something with meaning rather than meaningless chatter. Big difference! > > Linda > > , " Laura " <lo1o113@> wrote: > > > > I think you hit it nail on too Jeremy. It is Grace, God's grace. > > To tell if this guy is fake is not for us, only God knows his heart and if he takes credit for all of this " healing " then he's not real. Simple. > > > > Laura > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 25, 2010 Glossalia is speaking in tongues. Linda , " Laura " <lo1o113 wrote: > > Oh, I don't even know what glossalia means, LOL! I'll have to google that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2010 Speaking in tongues or glossalia can also be the simple expression of the soul !. There are different types of it .  I think this form of expression can be intense, powerful, profound and serve as expression of “the feelings.† When I am deeply connected in praying I can speak on it. I dont know what it means but know what “it feelsâ€. It is deep communication and so personal between me and spirit.    I believe that it can be powerful healing in this sort of language! . Do you believe in the power of the word said?, why not believe in the power of the feeling said?  The mind of course does not know what it is and is not interested to listen meaningless chatter.  The bible referrers to spiritual gifts speaking in tongues. If I am not wrong in Corinthians.  I interpret this including the capability of speaking in languages such Italian, French, Spanish etc  as well as other languages like glossalia which has different variations and in some cases can contain fire itself.  Monica --- El jue, 2/25/10, Laura <lo1o113 escribió: De: Laura <lo1o113 Asunto: Re: Sons of Thunder John Crowder A: Fecha: jueves, 25 de febrero de 2010, 09:40 am  Oh, I don't even know what glossalia means, LOL! I'll have to google that one. Your right...no one wants to listen to meaningless chatter. Laura Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711@ ...> wrote: > > I was talking about his glossalia being fake. I don't know if he takes credit for the healings or not. I just watched a few of his videos. God's grace can come through anyone I would think. > > I read one article where this person was comparing him to Dr. Gene Scott, who was a pentecostal preacher who smoked and drinked and was into betting on horse racing. He, Gene Scott made fun of people who spoke in tongues. LOL! That is sort of what it appears to me that John Crowder is doing...making fun of glossalia with his obvious fake tongue speaking. Anyways, I loved listening to Dr. Gene Scott, when he spoke/taught it was something with meaning rather than meaningless chatter. Big difference! > > Linda > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " Laura " <lo1o113@> wrote: > > > > I think you hit it nail on too Jeremy. It is Grace, God's grace. > > To tell if this guy is fake is not for us, only God knows his heart and if he takes credit for all of this " healing " then he's not real. Simple. > > > > Laura > ______________________________\ ____ ¡Obtén la mejor experiencia en la web! Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./ieak8/?l=e1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2010 Monica, Yes the bible does refer to speaking in toungues as a spiritual gift. It is also to be done in private, it is a very personal gift. If it is done in public, ie: church, it would be ideal if there was an interpreter. That person should speak up to deliver the message for the church. I did witness this a couple times at one church I attended. Amazing is what I can say about it! Expression of the soul is a great description. Laura , Monica <monikaeslava wrote: > > Speaking in tongues or glossalia can also be the simple expression of the soul !. There are different types of it . >  > I think this form of expression can be intense, powerful, profound and serve as expression of “the feelings.†>  > When I am deeply connected in praying I can speak on it. I dont know what it means but know what “it feelsâ€. It is deep communication and so personal between me and spirit.  >  >  I believe that it can be powerful healing in this sort of language! . Do you believe in the power of the word said?, why not believe in the power of the feeling said? >  > The mind of course does not know what it is and is not interested to listen meaningless chatter. >  > The bible referrers to spiritual gifts speaking in tongues. If I am not wrong in Corinthians.  I interpret this including the capability of speaking in languages such Italian, French, Spanish etc  as well as other languages like glossalia which has different variations and in some cases can contain fire itself. >  > Monica > > --- El jue, 2/25/10, Laura <lo1o113 escribió: > > > De: Laura <lo1o113 > Asunto: Re: Sons of Thunder John Crowder > A: > Fecha: jueves, 25 de febrero de 2010, 09:40 am > > >  > > > > Oh, I don't even know what glossalia means, LOL! I'll have to google that one. > Your right...no one wants to listen to meaningless chatter. > > Laura > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " danceswithcats999 " <crazycats711@ ...> wrote: > > > > I was talking about his glossalia being fake. I don't know if he takes credit for the healings or not. I just watched a few of his videos. God's grace can come through anyone I would think. > > > > I read one article where this person was comparing him to Dr. Gene Scott, who was a pentecostal preacher who smoked and drinked and was into betting on horse racing. He, Gene Scott made fun of people who spoke in tongues. LOL! That is sort of what it appears to me that John Crowder is doing...making fun of glossalia with his obvious fake tongue speaking. Anyways, I loved listening to Dr. Gene Scott, when he spoke/taught it was something with meaning rather than meaningless chatter. Big difference! > > > > Linda > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " Laura " <lo1o113@> wrote: > > > > > > I think you hit it nail on too Jeremy. It is Grace, God's grace. > > > To tell if this guy is fake is not for us, only God knows his heart and if he takes credit for all of this " healing " then he's not real. Simple. > > > > > > Laura > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > ¡Obtén la mejor experiencia en la web! > Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8. > http://downloads./ieak8/?l=e1 > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
