Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Once again..... Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that you may come into a full and pure expression of Kundalini. Demonstrate this.....please. Let us see what you are willing to give up. What you are willing to leave. What you are willing to expose. Tell me, show me. Demonstrate what you will surrender. And how you will surrender it. If you struggle and resist you may have hardship so make the choice and hold to that decision. Take joy in your decision and then you can avoid being consumed by that which you refuse to let go of. Surrender it. Let it go. Is it guilt? Reveal it. Is it pain? Release it. Is it your truth? Serve it. Let me know from what you can give in the deepest and most lighted to the rankest most depraved aspects of what you hide behind your eyes and behind your heart. Because when you can go there and breathe a surrender of your sorrows and your accomplishments your path will open. Of your shames and your joys and loves and all of those experiences that you keep private, the exudate of your soul, let it go! It all gets exposed. Amplified and brought into the plain view. To you not necessarily to others still in the body but for all of those without a body it is exposed. All with eyes to see and ears to hear of and within themselves will know and do know. Nothing is private spiritually and all these secrets are weighed for contents and intention and set aside as the useless dross of the ego. Let it go. Give it up that It may help you clear. There is no shame. There is only release and surrender. Open yourself and allow all aspects of your soul to be given the room to breathe by loosening the burden of what you hold dear, good or shameful, wretched or loving. Surrender it all and let the divinity that is starting to express, breathe the new breath of existence inside the new space you have created by your surrendering. - Post Script................................. Surrender is as much a state of being as it is a state of not having attachment. The " will " to surrender can be as important as the actual " act " of surrender. By surrender I am referring to those attachments that may be blocking further development within the agenda of the Kundalini. Is your wife helpful to your development? I will suggest that she is. Is your home and job and car helpful? I will suggest they are. Are there attitudes and behaviors and possessions that are part of your present life that are not helpful for your development within the Kundalini? I will suggest that yes there may be these areas. Feel your way into it slowly and make a thorough accounting of what you need, what you want, and what you feel you can surrender at this time. You may find something or nothing there is no judgment. Do the best that you can do. Surrendering your job and your marriage and your leg bones are not the intention. Surrendering ego control over how we " are " is something that can be looked at by many of us. I offer these merely as suggestions as I know you are well able to discern that which is good for you. - c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I must be like that spider on the mirror with its 16 legs...the multitude of which still need to let go. Just when I think I've let go with them all, there are 8 more holding fast onto something seemingly of significance and importance. These legs are my illusion. Yet my true connection is by an invisible thread and not by these legs at all. Love: Danielle , " " <> wrote: > > Once again..... > > Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I am willing, I hope, to surrender my ego. Let my explain the, " I hope " , part of the above It is easy to write and even to mean that I am willing give up my ego but to really do it may be much more difficult than I think it is. So I hope that I really am up to it. It is process. I am willing to engage it and I hope that I will continue to the end. I know that I will face unexpected resistance and challenges. My most recent bit of unexpected seeing through my ego and the discomfort involved, My whole life I have known that I am different from most guys in many ways. I will only go into a few of them here. I am not a sports fan, most guys are. This separates me from 95% of all men I know. I am not into a " macho trip " in fact it really turns me off when guys get into a whole big " pissing contest " of who is the best, biggest, badest, strongest, etc. There is more but that is enough for now. I have always taken great pride (ego!) in my differences. I have thought of myself as better, more evolved, more spiritual/enlightened than most guys who are just into all of the superficial guy stuff…I am past that…I see through maya (the illusion) and care about the true, deeper stuff in life…I am better than that….better than them. And I am humble about it also. I never told anyone that I was better than them or better than most other guys. I hardly even ever told myself that. I know that we are all doing the best we can, we are all developing at our own rate, working out our karma and learning our lessons as we are ready for them. Recently I have been feeling (feeling not thinking) that I not any better, just different! Wow, my ego does not like that. Who want to be different and not even be better than others? But this is the truth. I must face it and live with it. I am doing just that, dealing with it. What is next? I don't know but this insight is mild and easy for me to deal with. Will it get more difficult? I bet it will so I hope that I will also be able to deal what ever comes next. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 You " GO! " Rich! - , " omshakti333 " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > I am willing, I hope, to surrender my ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I am willing to surrender EVERYTHING. Yes, that is my final answer. Sorry my reply is so short =) -Tiffany S , " " <> wrote: > > Once again..... > > Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that > you may come into a full and pure express > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I want more than anything to be able to surrender completely, but I am not alone in this. I have a family and responsibilities to them. I love my family deeply and would not want to hurt them in any way. Four years ago when James threaten divorce, I should have allowed it to take place, I guess. I knew he really didn't want a divorce,though, but was wanting me to go back to being the way I used to be. It is hard for people to except change. I didn't go back to the way I was and they slowly adjusted to the way I am now. It is a slow process. If I should end up not able to take care of myself or to do my responsiblities and did crazy stuff on top of that, James would surely have me committed, even though I made him promise not to ever have me committed no matter what. I don't trust him to keep his word. How am I suppose to trust him? When I was baptised by the Holy Spirit, it ended up with him putting a gun to my head. The change in me was too great of a shock for him. *sigh* I guess if there was a K community I could run to for help if things went haywire, I would be willing to take the risk and go for it. I could handle divorce, but not being locked up, drugged out in a mental hospital. I don't know what kundalini has in store for me...what will be will be. I don't even want to think about it, but just take one day at a time. I trust God to make the way, if a full awakening is for me to experience this lifetime. I surrender myself daily to His/Her will to the best of my ability. That is all I know to do. Linda , " " <> wrote: > > Once again..... > > Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that > you may come into a full and pure expression of Kundalini. > > Demonstrate this.....please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Dear Chrism, The words that are coming to me out of this post are; 'There is no 'me'.' Love, Sandra , " " <> wrote: > > Once again..... > > Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that > you may come into a full and pure expression of Kundalini. > > Demonstrate this.....please. > > Let us see what you are willing to give up. What you are willing to > leave. What you are willing to expose. Tell me, show me. Demonstrate > what you will surrender. And how you will surrender it. > > If you struggle and resist you may have hardship so make the choice > and hold to that decision. Take joy in your decision and then you can > avoid being consumed by that which you refuse to let go of. > > Surrender it. Let it go. > > Is it guilt? Reveal it. Is it pain? Release it. Is it your truth? > Serve it. > > Let me know from what you can give in the deepest and most lighted to > the rankest most depraved aspects of what you hide behind your eyes > and behind your heart. Because when you can go there and breathe a > surrender of your sorrows and your accomplishments your path will > open. Of your shames and your joys and loves and all of those > experiences that you keep private, the exudate of your soul, let it go! > > It all gets exposed. Amplified and brought into the plain view. To you > not necessarily to others still in the body but for all of those > without a body it is exposed. All with eyes to see and ears to hear of > and within themselves will know and do know. Nothing is private > spiritually and all these secrets are weighed for contents and > intention and set aside as the useless dross of the ego. Let it go. > Give it up that It may help you clear. > > There is no shame. > > There is only release and surrender. Open yourself and allow all > aspects of your soul to be given the room to breathe by loosening the > burden of what you hold dear, good or shameful, wretched or loving. > Surrender it all and let the divinity that is starting to express, > breathe the new breath of existence inside the new space you have > created by your surrendering. - > > Post Script................................. > Surrender is as much a state of being as it is a state of not having attachment. The " will " to surrender can be as important as the actual " act " of surrender. By surrender I am referring to those attachments that may be blocking further development within the agenda of the Kundalini. > > Is your wife helpful to your development? I will suggest that she is. > Is your home and job and car helpful? I will suggest they are. > Are there attitudes and behaviors and possessions that are part of your present life that are not helpful for your development within the Kundalini? I will suggest that yes there may be these areas. > > Feel your way into it slowly and make a thorough accounting of what you need, what you want, and what you feel you can surrender at this time. You may find something or nothing there is no judgment. Do the best that you can do. > > Surrendering your job and your marriage and your leg bones are not the > intention. Surrendering ego control over how we " are " is something that can be looked at by many of us. > > I offer these merely as suggestions as I know you are well able to discern that which is good for you. - c > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Dear chrism, surrender seems to be on two fronts... the surrender to the work that K is doing on and in the physical body and other bodies and the surrender to K in my everyday life of living. Hey that is interesting now that I say it...ultimitly it is probably all the one surrender but I am putting it into two different boxes!!! Mmmmm. I say very often " I surrrender to God, to Truth, to Love to K.. " but I know the words said do not always carry a conviction or trust in them.  I have surrendered everything to God and while this was done with absolute sincerity I am finding that there is an ongoing continious surrender beingt called for in small matters of my everyday life and these opportunities for surrender are often ignored by me although I know they are there. this has to do with servicing my own needs instead of the needs of others.. I am not being hard on myself here at all, I know that I do take some of the opportunities offered but I am doing aort of " a-la-carte " job of surrendering and that really is not what I am being called to do and I know it!!! With the work being done by K in the physical body I have a bigt difficulty surrendering when it comes to the throat. I need to swallow a lot and I just cannot surrender absolutly and allow. I know I am not surrendering when I begin to antisipate what is going to happen next as soon as energy or movement comes up to the throat area this process starts to happen and surrender is not fully given at all. I do not know why this is the case. I find that surrender is a decision to be made and committed to but it does not " work " with regard to the throat?? Again it is probably to do with  preconceived notions of what may occur " after " the throat and not trusting that K will take care of all of it . I remember very vividly the ecstacy of my first experience and how long it lasted... long term ecstasy is not something I desire at all while in this body and I am very attached to not having it !!   I remember what occured after that was abandonment and complete detatchment, and while non attachment is something I do work towards, absolute non attachment is not something I would really aim for while in this body either, so I have some fear hanging around because of these preconceived ideas and I seem unable to let them go. It is possible, but I cannot say for sure, that I think my throat is the last fortress and I do not want to have it knocked down. When I actually voice that it soujnds so silly and I am not sure if that will read like any form of sense but I want to be honest. I know I am with holding full surrender. I know also that I am being called to fully surrender but I think I am scared. Scared is different to fearful.. ie as I have experienced fearful in the past. Scared is definitly becauswe |I do not trust fully. I think that K knows this and is being patient and persistant. However now that you have put the question to me I can see that I have actually got quite complacient in surrendering to some things but not to all. EEEk! Comfort zone is shifting. Ok that is enogh for now. chrism I will need to meditate more about surrender and if you have comments about my with holding of absolute surrender they would be most welcome. Love Julia ________________________________ <> Wed, December 30, 2009 12:18:54 AM Demonstrate Your Surrender  Once again..... Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that you may come into a full and pure expression of Kundalini. Demonstrate this.....please. Let us see what you are willing to give up. What you are willing to leave. What you are willing to expose. Tell me, show me. Demonstrate what you will surrender. And how you will surrender it. If you struggle and resist you may have hardship so make the choice and hold to that decision. Take joy in your decision and then you can avoid being consumed by that which you refuse to let go of. Surrender it. Let it go. Is it guilt? Reveal it. Is it pain? Release it. Is it your truth? Serve it. Let me know from what you can give in the deepest and most lighted to the rankest most depraved aspects of what you hide behind your eyes and behind your heart. Because when you can go there and breathe a surrender of your sorrows and your accomplishments your path will open. Of your shames and your joys and loves and all of those experiences that you keep private, the exudate of your soul, let it go! It all gets exposed. Amplified and brought into the plain view. To you not necessarily to others still in the body but for all of those without a body it is exposed. All with eyes to see and ears to hear of and within themselves will know and do know. Nothing is private spiritually and all these secrets are weighed for contents and intention and set aside as the useless dross of the ego. Let it go. Give it up that It may help you clear. There is no shame. There is only release and surrender. Open yourself and allow all aspects of your soul to be given the room to breathe by loosening the burden of what you hold dear, good or shameful, wretched or loving.. Surrender it all and let the divinity that is starting to express, breathe the new breath of existence inside the new space you have created by your surrendering. - Post Script...... ......... .......... ......... Surrender is as much a state of being as it is a state of not having attachment. The " will " to surrender can be as important as the actual " act " of surrender. By surrender I am referring to those attachments that may be blocking further development within the agenda of the Kundalini. Is your wife helpful to your development? I will suggest that she is. Is your home and job and car helpful? I will suggest they are. Are there attitudes and behaviors and possessions that are part of your present life that are not helpful for your development within the Kundalini? I will suggest that yes there may be these areas. Feel your way into it slowly and make a thorough accounting of what you need, what you want, and what you feel you can surrender at this time. You may find something or nothing there is no judgment. Do the best that you can do. Surrendering your job and your marriage and your leg bones are not the intention. Surrendering ego control over how we " are " is something that can be looked at by many of us. I offer these merely as suggestions as I know you are well able to discern that which is good for you. - c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hi Chrism, I will try my best to surrender as much of my ego as possible and my attachments to old lifestyles and emotional patterns/responses. As tough as it is, I need a change. The shaktipat has helped me hugely from a self realization standpoint, but there are still attachments, attitudes and other garbage that I need to let go of, so that I can move forward. To do this I need to seemingly be more conscious of my thoughts and reactions throughout the day and everyday. As tough of a challenge as it will be, I will commit to trying my best to release those attachments and surrender. Blessings, love and light, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I have noticed that we sometimes speak of surrender as if it means giving up our families, our jobs, and our outer responsibilities. " I would surrender except I feel I should not leave my family, my job, etc. " I know it is different for each of us. For some, surrendering to the Divine may mean remaining with your family, lovingly caring for them, doing valuable work in the world, fulfilling your karmic and dharmic obligations, and generally keeping the covenant you made with your higher self when you agreed to the conditions of incarnation. For others, as old karmas are exhausted, it may be time to move on to new experiences - that too is part of your agreement for the incarnation's educational experiences. As I said, it is different for each person - use your discernment. But surrender may be an inner release of attachments. It need not necessarily manifest in drastic lifestyle changes, although it may. I like to remember the old saw: before enlightenement: chopping wood and carrying water; after enlightenment: chopping wood and carrying water. When being done before enlightenment, it is because " I " want to, " I " believe I should care for my family by chopping wood and carrying water, " I " have an opinion about this or that. If it is beng done after enlightenment, it is because it is the harmonious thing to do, in keeping with the flow of the Universe, Tao, etc. At that point there is no longer an individual judgment about it, just a surrender to what is. No small " self " doing, just the undulation of the ocean; this particular wavelet chopping wood and carrying water this particular moment. I would suggest that surrender does not always require you to " do " anything differently (although it may), rather to " be " different. Love, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Sometimes I find that composing and repeating prayers for surrender help me to deepen my surrender. Messages in dreams help me to find ways to deepen my surrender. Messages in everyday life, coming in the form of circumstances and my own reactions/interactions with such circumstances, also show me ways in which I can deepen my own surrender to the all that there is. It is an ongoing process. Each day I find little ways in which I cling to fear, ego contraction, anger, etc., etc. - all the anti-safeties. And try to correct or release them. Oh sweet Goddess, help me to surrender completely. Help me get out of the way, that you may radiate through me and lovingly touch all beings with whom I interact. Let me be a conduit for your Radiance, empty of self. Let me surrender all which prevents this. I cannot discern that which must be surrendered nor can I surrender it myself. Flow through me freely and dissolve whatever inhibits your Radiance. I bow to you and give myself completely to your loving embrace. Dissolve me in your Love. Oh sweet Goddess, help me to surrender completely. Love, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 How beautiful your words - thank you I too am trying to get out of the way of me... e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 David, Thank you for this beautiful prayer. It moved me deeply when I first read it, and I have been holding it in my heart all morning, letting it roll around inside me, loosening, loosening. When I read these lines in particular, relief flooded me, and I felt a lightness as the burden of ego-monitoring-ego was lifted from my shoulders. " I cannot discern that which must be surrendered nor can I surrender it myself. Flow through me freely and dissolve whatever inhibits your Radiance. " Thank you so much, David. Your words have brought me much peace. Love, Shaz --- " djgottlieb " wrote: > Sometimes I find that composing and repeating prayers for surrender help me to deepen my surrender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Thank you David for all your posts. This one had meaning for me as I would never leave my children behind especially if they asked me not to go. They are grown now but for 13 yrs of their lives I was estranged from them because of their father. They are now 29 + 35yrs old but they still need me and need to be close to me to help make sense of those missing years. I was also close to a nephew 28 & niece 21, who I brought up and they need me now their own mother has died. They all called me Christmas day as my ex was spending the day with them all. As usual he drank to much and upset them all in turn. I am so glad I was easily available to be a listening ear to them all. I ended the calls asking them to try and forgive my ex, and wish him all the best from me. For me to go off to an ashram or community in another country would not be an act of surrender but an act of selfishness on my part. My future is to be there for them and other children from difficult backgrounds. I will be there to show them real unconditional love. I am sure this will not stand in the way of the work Kundalini wants to do with my mind and body. It can only strengthen it. With love for all our futures, Iona x , " djgottlieb " <dgottlieb wrote: > > > > I have noticed that we sometimes speak of surrender as if it means giving up our families, our jobs, and our outer responsibilities. " I would surrender except I feel I should not leave my family, my job, etc. " > > I know it is different for each of us. > > For some, surrendering to the Divine may mean remaining with your family, lovingly caring for them, doing valuable work in the world, fulfilling your karmic and dharmic obligations, and generally keeping the covenant you made with your higher self when you agreed to the conditions of incarnation. For others, as old karmas are exhausted, it may be time to move on to new experiences - that too is part of your agreement for the incarnation's educational experiences. > > As I said, it is different for each person - use your discernment. But surrender may be an inner release of attachments. It need not necessarily manifest in drastic lifestyle changes, although it may. > > I like to remember the old saw: before enlightenement: chopping wood and carrying water; after enlightenment: chopping wood and carrying water. When being done before enlightenment, it is because " I " want to, " I " believe I should care for my family by chopping wood and carrying water, " I " have an opinion about this or that. If it is beng done after enlightenment, it is because it is the harmonious thing to do, in keeping with the flow of the Universe, Tao, etc. At that point there is no longer an individual judgment about it, just a surrender to what is. No small " self " doing, just the undulation of the ocean; this particular wavelet chopping wood and carrying water this particular moment. > > I would suggest that surrender does not always require you to " do " anything differently (although it may), rather to " be " different. > > Love, > > David > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Thanks for this, Chrism, yes, in the bath two nights ago, it came clear that my souls deepest desire is to live life from a place of trust and surrender... I see how my current life situation is a wonderful learning scenario for that.... and that freed up some resistance and was felt as a liberation.. that night, I had dreams of writing and passing my exams... Thank you for your work and your contributions, Chrism... love Bruce , " " <> wrote: > > Once again..... > > Show me and therefore yourself what you are willing to surrender that > you may come into a full and pure expression of Kundalini. > > Demonstrate this.....please. > > Let us see what you are willing to give up. What you are willing to > leave. What you are willing to expose. Tell me, show me. Demonstrate > what you will surrender. And how you will surrender it. > > If you struggle and resist you may have hardship so make the choice > and hold to that decision. Take joy in your decision and then you can > avoid being consumed by that which you refuse to let go of. > > Surrender it. Let it go. > > Is it guilt? Reveal it. Is it pain? Release it. Is it your truth? > Serve it. > > Let me know from what you can give in the deepest and most lighted to > the rankest most depraved aspects of what you hide behind your eyes > and behind your heart. Because when you can go there and breathe a > surrender of your sorrows and your accomplishments your path will > open. Of your shames and your joys and loves and all of those > experiences that you keep private, the exudate of your soul, let it go! > > It all gets exposed. Amplified and brought into the plain view. To you > not necessarily to others still in the body but for all of those > without a body it is exposed. All with eyes to see and ears to hear of > and within themselves will know and do know. Nothing is private > spiritually and all these secrets are weighed for contents and > intention and set aside as the useless dross of the ego. Let it go. > Give it up that It may help you clear. > > There is no shame. > > There is only release and surrender. Open yourself and allow all > aspects of your soul to be given the room to breathe by loosening the > burden of what you hold dear, good or shameful, wretched or loving. > Surrender it all and let the divinity that is starting to express, > breathe the new breath of existence inside the new space you have > created by your surrendering. - > > Post Script................................. > Surrender is as much a state of being as it is a state of not having attachment. The " will " to surrender can be as important as the actual " act " of surrender. By surrender I am referring to those attachments that may be blocking further development within the agenda of the Kundalini. > > Is your wife helpful to your development? I will suggest that she is. > Is your home and job and car helpful? I will suggest they are. > Are there attitudes and behaviors and possessions that are part of your present life that are not helpful for your development within the Kundalini? I will suggest that yes there may be these areas. > > Feel your way into it slowly and make a thorough accounting of what you need, what you want, and what you feel you can surrender at this time. You may find something or nothing there is no judgment. Do the best that you can do. > > Surrendering your job and your marriage and your leg bones are not the > intention. Surrendering ego control over how we " are " is something that can be looked at by many of us. > > I offer these merely as suggestions as I know you are well able to discern that which is good for you. - c > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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