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It can be most difficult to find a community where sharing the

phenomena of the Kundalini is an accepted activity. This is one such

community. Kundalini phenomena in its most grand and tactile stages of

activity upon the body often follow very specific signatures. Kriyas

and Ajna pulsations from the inside out and chirpings and buzzings or

humming sounds and all of the many phenomena of the Kundalini can be

openly discussed here.

 

It is a vast universe of transformation and there are many steps to

the Kundalini awakening process. So welcome to new members and a fond

hello! to our current members. We are here to help eachother. We are

here to experience and to walk the " Great path " together. Let us get

to know eachother that we can indeed step side by side with trusted

friends! - Please everyone introduce yourselves and let us know where

you are in your search and or your expression of the Kundalini

journey. I will start.......

 

My name is chrism ....... I am another person like you, a

consciousness clothed in flesh... I do not claim knowledge of the

writings or activities of any ancient lineage or sacred text. I do

claim the information received as is gifted to me by the expanded

awareness of the Kundalini........

 

I'm a person without social portfolio. I live in a trailer, in the

USA, and work amongst the masses....... I teach the Kundalini and

activate those who clearly are ready. I radiate Kundalini and it

radiates through me. And as it moves through me it will move through

you as well..... So what I write is merely another opinion on your

path. The opinion of a friend and a brother. Another traveler up the

mountain.....

 

What I write comes from my own experience and what I am able to

perceive via the Kundalini. Over 19 years of experience with a

guidance to teach for those who are guided to receive. I am not the

" only " teacher. There are others who teach this and so it is a point

of discernment for you if what is given by and through me for you

feels appropriate. Intuition will guide you.

 

I come from a place of disciplined love and disciplined intention. I

know that may sound hard, but its quite easy and very flexing within

the parameters of forgiveness, helpfulness, kindness, tolerance

understanding, trust, surrender, service to others, evolution and of

course, love. - `Nice to meet everyone! -

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Hello everyone, My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very interested in eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan Watts about a year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I though the

whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection. Everything changed after that. I started researching about buddhism/taoism/hinduism, practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga (astanga) about twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention. Then I started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as being more happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So about three monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga DVD, which I practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome community!. So right now my practice routine is like this (in order from beggining to end): 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing, Mediation.. The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing further and futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to become very happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the sounds and images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/emotional orchestra. I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and understand the line between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not exist for me in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on angry/sad/negative/etc thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I guess when you start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest, that I tested and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if there is anger/sadness/negativity in the thought right away move the concentration to the breath. Do not " ride " with this thought. This is what it means to be when explained to " balance your emotions " . I am also slowly moving to be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals gets treated. I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties except prayer. I still do not " feel " like there is anything that is needed to be prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude, praying is like selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why I have not participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare honestly that I am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand and agree with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe praying will also come into my understanding.

thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy emails. :) I really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional earthquake times. I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little community. Even thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a lot of the emails.

Thank youWith love,Mike

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Hello Mike, I may be able to help you with the prayer struggle. There

is lots more to prayer than asking for things, although that is the

most common one. There are many types of prayer and if you are doing

the safeties then you have been doing some of these types of prayer

unawares, maybe. :)

 

Here is a list of the types of prayer: If the word God bothers you

you can replace it with the word Shakti kundalini, higher self or

whatever feels more comfortable to you. Prayer is the practice of the

presence of God.

 

Petition - asking God to supply your daily bread/needs.

 

Confession - admitting your wrong doings to God and others and asking

forgiveness.

 

Adoration - giving praise and adoration to God for all his blessings

in life even the things you may not feel at the time to be a

blessing. :)

 

Intercession - a prayer offered on the behalf of others.

 

Meditation - being silent and opening your heart and soul to God's

direction, love, and admonition.

 

Thankgiving - simply giving thanks to God for all things. Practice

being/staying in a state of gratitude.

 

Consecration - a prayer of surrendering your will completely to God's

will and service.

 

 

If you would like to read more indept on these and get a better

understanding of the types of prayer than this short little

paraphrasing I did, this article is were I got them from.

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3885/is_199801/ai_n8798631

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

P.S. I hope this will help you feel able to participated in the

shaktipat. The prayer of petition is not one that is required, if

that is what is holding you back. But do read what the article has to

say about the prayer of petition, it might help change your mind

about it even. :)

 

 

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very interested

in

> eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan Watts

about a

> year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I

though the

> whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection.

Everything

> changed after that. I started researching about

buddhism/taoism/hinduism,

> practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga

(astanga) about

> twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention.

Then I

> started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as being

more

> happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So

about three

> monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga DVD,

which I

> practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome

community!. So

> right now my practice routine is like this (in order from beggining

to end):

> 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing,

Mediation..

> The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing further

and

> futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to

become very

> happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the sounds

and

> images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/emotional

orchestra.

> I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and understand

the line

> between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not

exist for me

> in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on

angry/sad/negative/etc

> thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I guess

when you

> start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest, that

I tested

> and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if

there is

> anger/sadness/negativity in the thought right away move the

concentration to

> the breath. Do not " ride " with this thought. This is what it means

to be

> when explained to " balance your emotions " . I am also slowly

moving to

> be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals gets

treated.

> I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties

except

> prayer. I still do not " feel " like there is anything that is needed

to be

> prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude, praying is

like

> selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why I

have not

> participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare

honestly that I

> am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand

and agree

> with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe praying

will also

> come into my understanding.

> thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy

emails. :) I

> really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional

earthquake times.

> I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little

community. Even

> thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a lot

of the

> emails.

>

> Thank you

> With love,

> Mike

>

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I am not new here but I was thinking that if people are not sure what

to post then perhaps just post a few lines on how you discovered you

discovered Kundalini or how you were activated.

 

My story is that I went to Italy in June 2006 i stayed on family land

that has been in my family for over 400 recorded years. I have

cousins who still live there. it is not an estate it is a plot in a

small town where a new house has been built while the old outbuildings

remain.

My life changed after that visit although I did not find out it was K

until the following summer when I returned to Europe. I met up with a

friend who was attending tantra sessions with her husband. Tantra was

always an interest of mine so I looked on the net when I returned. To

my amazement I was led to chrism and this group- I had never heard of

Kundalini. Yet I knew that Tantra was not what I needed it was a

guide of Kundalini and I found my path. I had never followed any kind

of spiritual path after being raised Catholic. So this introduction

to an Eastern traditional idea was very foreign to me.

However, I am so grateful that I found chrism and this group. My life

has been turned upside down and still is not settled yet I have had

guidance and support - and I have met so many interesting,

intelligent, loving, kind seekers who I feel are part of my family -

my K family and I am eternally grateful and blessed.

Welcome to all new members. You are here for a reason: taste and

savor and fill the void you may feel with the energy that is offered

here from all the members.

You are not alone any more you have family you have a wealth of

answers at the click of a mouse- your journey now can be filled with

joy not despair and aloneness. How fortunate we are to be here together.

Namaste

 

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Linda, I appreciate the effort, but for me, there is nothing that is not God. So howcan something that doesnt exist pray to something that exists. From everysingle atom to galaxies and to multiverse, it is all God. And we are God, so

why pray to ourselves? I respect everyone else's belief, but this is my " state of mind " right now.On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Mike, I may be able to help you with the prayer struggle. There

is lots more to prayer than asking for things, although that is the

most common one. There are many types of prayer and if you are doing

the safeties then you have been doing some of these types of prayer

unawares, maybe. :)

 

Here is a list of the types of prayer: If the word God bothers you

you can replace it with the word Shakti kundalini, higher self or

whatever feels more comfortable to you. Prayer is the practice of the

presence of God.

 

Petition - asking God to supply your daily bread/needs.

 

Confession - admitting your wrong doings to God and others and asking

forgiveness.

 

Adoration - giving praise and adoration to God for all his blessings

in life even the things you may not feel at the time to be a

blessing. :)

 

Intercession - a prayer offered on the behalf of others.

 

Meditation - being silent and opening your heart and soul to God's

direction, love, and admonition.

 

Thankgiving - simply giving thanks to God for all things. Practice

being/staying in a state of gratitude.

 

Consecration - a prayer of surrendering your will completely to God's

will and service.

 

If you would like to read more indept on these and get a better

understanding of the types of prayer than this short little

paraphrasing I did, this article is were I got them from.

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3885/is_199801/ai_n8798631

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

P.S. I hope this will help you feel able to participated in the

shaktipat. The prayer of petition is not one that is required, if

that is what is holding you back. But do read what the article has to

say about the prayer of petition, it might help change your mind

about it even. :)

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very interested

in

> eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan Watts

about a

> year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I

though the

> whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection.

Everything

> changed after that. I started researching about

buddhism/taoism/hinduism,

> practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga

(astanga) about

> twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention.

Then I

> started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as being

more

> happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So

about three

> monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga DVD,

which I

> practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome

community!. So

> right now my practice routine is like this (in order from beggining

to end):

> 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing,

Mediation..

> The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing further

and

> futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to

become very

> happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the sounds

and

> images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/emotional

orchestra.

> I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and understand

the line

> between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not

exist for me

> in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on

angry/sad/negative/etc

> thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I guess

when you

> start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest, that

I tested

> and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if

there is

> anger/sadness/negativity in the thought right away move the

concentration to

> the breath. Do not " ride " with this thought. This is what it means

to be

> when explained to " balance your emotions " . I am also slowly

moving to

> be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals gets

treated.

> I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties

except

> prayer. I still do not " feel " like there is anything that is needed

to be

> prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude, praying is

like

> selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why I

have not

> participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare

honestly that I

> am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand

and agree

> with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe praying

will also

> come into my understanding.

> thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy

emails. :) I

> really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional

earthquake times.

> I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little

community. Even

> thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a lot

of the

> emails.

>

> Thank you

> With love,

> Mike

>

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I was sort of think thinking that was the way you were most likely

believing. I believe this way as well, but I believe there is an I,

the little i, that is in this space/time frame who is an individual

separated with limits from the whole. Also, that this is really all

an illusion that we are playing out as a learning experience and we

are given tools to work with. I see prayer as a tool, a way for the

little i to feel/sense a connection with the whole which is the big

I/God. I, the little i, knows with head knowledge that i am always

connected and there is no separation, but i don't always 'experience'

that connection every second of the day. Prayer helps me to connect

with the big I/God and know it is real by experiencing.

 

If you are experiencing a connection to the whole at all times, then

of course you would not need prayer. But then why would you need to

participate in shatipat, if you are already experiencing that oneness

at all times. Wouldn't experiencing the oneness at all times mean you

are already enlightened and have no needs? Is there another reason

for kundalini awakening that i do not know of?

 

 

Linda

 

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Linda, I appreciate the effort, but for me, there is nothing that

is not

> God. So how

> can something that doesnt exist pray to something that exists. From

every

> single atom to galaxies and to multiverse, it is all God. And we

are God, so

>

> why pray to ourselves? I respect everyone else's belief, but this

is my

> " state of mind " right now.

>

>

> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

>

> > Hello Mike, I may be able to help you with the prayer struggle.

There

> > is lots more to prayer than asking for things, although that is

the

> > most common one. There are many types of prayer and if you are

doing

> > the safeties then you have been doing some of these types of

prayer

> > unawares, maybe. :)

> >

> > Here is a list of the types of prayer: If the word God bothers you

> > you can replace it with the word Shakti kundalini, higher self or

> > whatever feels more comfortable to you. Prayer is the practice of

the

> > presence of God.

> >

> > Petition - asking God to supply your daily bread/needs.

> >

> > Confession - admitting your wrong doings to God and others and

asking

> > forgiveness.

> >

> > Adoration - giving praise and adoration to God for all his

blessings

> > in life even the things you may not feel at the time to be a

> > blessing. :)

> >

> > Intercession - a prayer offered on the behalf of others.

> >

> > Meditation - being silent and opening your heart and soul to God's

> > direction, love, and admonition.

> >

> > Thankgiving - simply giving thanks to God for all things. Practice

> > being/staying in a state of gratitude.

> >

> > Consecration - a prayer of surrendering your will completely to

God's

> > will and service.

> >

> > If you would like to read more indept on these and get a better

> > understanding of the types of prayer than this short little

> > paraphrasing I did, this article is were I got them from.

> >

> > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3885/is_199801/ai_n8798631

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Linda

> >

> > P.S. I hope this will help you feel able to participated in the

> > shaktipat. The prayer of petition is not one that is required, if

> > that is what is holding you back. But do read what the article

has to

> > say about the prayer of petition, it might help change your mind

> > about it even. :)

> >

> > <Kundalini-

Awakening-Systems-1%40>,

> > JiNN

> > <jinnproduction@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very

interested

> > in

> > > eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan

Watts

> > about a

> > > year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I

> > though the

> > > whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection.

> > Everything

> > > changed after that. I started researching about

> > buddhism/taoism/hinduism,

> > > practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga

> > (astanga) about

> > > twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention.

> > Then I

> > > started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as

being

> > more

> > > happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So

> > about three

> > > monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga

DVD,

> > which I

> > > practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome

> > community!. So

> > > right now my practice routine is like this (in order from

beggining

> > to end):

> > > 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing,

> > Mediation..

> > > The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing

further

> > and

> > > futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to

> > become very

> > > happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the

sounds

> > and

> > > images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/emotional

> > orchestra.

> > > I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and

understand

> > the line

> > > between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not

> > exist for me

> > > in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on

> > angry/sad/negative/etc

> > > thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I

guess

> > when you

> > > start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest,

that

> > I tested

> > > and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if

> > there is

> > > anger/sadness/negativity in the thought right away move the

> > concentration to

> > > the breath. Do not " ride " with this thought. This is what it

means

> > to be

> > > when explained to " balance your emotions " . I am also

slowly

> > moving to

> > > be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals

gets

> > treated.

> > > I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties

> > except

> > > prayer. I still do not " feel " like there is anything that is

needed

> > to be

> > > prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude,

praying is

> > like

> > > selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why

I

> > have not

> > > participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare

> > honestly that I

> > > am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand

> > and agree

> > > with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe

praying

> > will also

> > > come into my understanding.

> > > thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy

> > emails. :) I

> > > really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional

> > earthquake times.

> > > I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little

> > community. Even

> > > thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a

lot

> > of the

> > > emails.

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > > With love,

> > > Mike

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Yes, it is a state of mind until it

becomes experiential. Then...one

truly understands and can pray even

deeper prayers. imho

 

Love, dhyana

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Linda, I appreciate the effort, but for me, there is nothing that is not

> God. So how

> can something that doesnt exist pray to something that exists. From

every

> single atom to galaxies and to multiverse, it is all God. And we are

God, so

>

> why pray to ourselves? I respect everyone else's belief, but this is my

> " state of mind " right now.

>

>

> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

>

> > Hello Mike, I may be able to help you with the prayer struggle.

There

> > is lots more to prayer than asking for things, although that is the

> > most common one. There are many types of prayer and if you are doing

> > the safeties then you have been doing some of these types of prayer

> > unawares, maybe. :)

> >

> > Here is a list of the types of prayer: If the word God bothers you

> > you can replace it with the word Shakti kundalini, higher self or

> > whatever feels more comfortable to you. Prayer is the practice of the

> > presence of God.

> >

> > Petition - asking God to supply your daily bread/needs.

> >

> > Confession - admitting your wrong doings to God and others and asking

> > forgiveness.

> >

> > Adoration - giving praise and adoration to God for all his blessings

> > in life even the things you may not feel at the time to be a

> > blessing. :)

> >

> > Intercession - a prayer offered on the behalf of others.

> >

> > Meditation - being silent and opening your heart and soul to God's

> > direction, love, and admonition.

> >

> > Thankgiving - simply giving thanks to God for all things. Practice

> > being/staying in a state of gratitude.

> >

> > Consecration - a prayer of surrendering your will completely to God's

> > will and service.

> >

> > If you would like to read more indept on these and get a better

> > understanding of the types of prayer than this short little

> > paraphrasing I did, this article is were I got them from.

> >

> > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3885/is_199801/ai_n8798631

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Linda

> >

> > P.S. I hope this will help you feel able to participated in the

> > shaktipat. The prayer of petition is not one that is required, if

> > that is what is holding you back. But do read what the article has to

> > say about the prayer of petition, it might help change your mind

> > about it even. :)

> >

> > --- In

<%40ya\

hoogroups.com>,

> > JiNN

> > <jinnproduction@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very interested

> > in

> > > eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan Watts

> > about a

> > > year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I

> > though the

> > > whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection.

> > Everything

> > > changed after that. I started researching about

> > buddhism/taoism/hinduism,

> > > practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga

> > (astanga) about

> > > twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention.

> > Then I

> > > started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as being

> > more

> > > happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So

> > about three

> > > monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga DVD,

> > which I

> > > practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome

> > community!. So

> > > right now my practice routine is like this (in order from beggining

> > to end):

> > > 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing,

> > Mediation..

> > > The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing further

> > and

> > > futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to

> > become very

> > > happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the sounds

> > and

> > > images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/emotional

> > orchestra.

> > > I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and understand

> > the line

> > > between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not

> > exist for me

> > > in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on

> > angry/sad/negative/etc

> > > thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I guess

> > when you

> > > start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest, that

> > I tested

> > > and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if

> > there is

> > > anger/sadness/negativity in the thought right away move the

> > concentration to

> > > the breath. Do not " ride " with this thought. This is what it means

> > to be

> > > when explained to " balance your emotions " . I am also slowly

> > moving to

> > > be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals gets

> > treated.

> > > I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties

> > except

> > > prayer. I still do not " feel " like there is anything that is needed

> > to be

> > > prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude, praying is

> > like

> > > selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why I

> > have not

> > > participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare

> > honestly that I

> > > am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand

> > and agree

> > > with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe praying

> > will also

> > > come into my understanding.

> > > thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy

> > emails. :) I

> > > really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional

> > earthquake times.

> > > I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little

> > community. Even

> > > thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a lot

> > of the

> > > emails.

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > > With love,

> > > Mike

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Chrism

 

Thank you for all the time, help and compassion you are giving us in the group. I have been a member of this group for quite sometime but for a long time have not participated actively in posting messages although I am following and reading messages posted. I searched for other groups to join and learn with like Reiki, Sokaisi, EFT, Quantum Touch, Theta Healing groups to name a few. I did learn something from all of them and had contributed to the changes that I had in my life. The teachings of Abraham Hicks wHich in my opinion is in aggrement with the SAFETIES which had become my life now. I practice the FIVE TIBETAN RITES and do meditate in preparation to this SHAKTIPAT. If there are other pre-requisites that I needed to do to be well prepared for this SHAKTIPAT please let me know. Love and blessings to all.

 

L & L,

Ricardo

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Chris <kundalini_awakening_teacher wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

It can be most difficult to find a community where sharing thephenomena of the Kundalini is an accepted activity. This is one suchcommunity. Kundalini phenomena in its most grand and tactile stages ofactivity upon the body often follow very specific signatures. Kriyas

and Ajna pulsations from the inside out and chirpings and buzzings orhumming sounds and all of the many phenomena of the Kundalini can beopenly discussed here. It is a vast universe of transformation and there are many steps to

the Kundalini awakening process. So welcome to new members and a fondhello! to our current members. We are here to help eachother. We arehere to experience and to walk the " Great path " together. Let us get

to know eachother that we can indeed step side by side with trustedfriends! - Please everyone introduce yourselves and let us know whereyou are in your search and or your expression of the Kundalinijourney. I will start.......

My name is chrism ....... I am another person like you, aconsciousness clothed in flesh... I do not claim knowledge of thewritings or activities of any ancient lineage or sacred text. I doclaim the information received as is gifted to me by the expanded

awareness of the Kundalini........ I'm a person without social portfolio. I live in a trailer, in theUSA, and work amongst the masses....... I teach the Kundalini andactivate those who clearly are ready. I radiate Kundalini and it

radiates through me. And as it moves through me it will move throughyou as well..... So what I write is merely another opinion on yourpath. The opinion of a friend and a brother. Another traveler up themountain.....

What I write comes from my own experience and what I am able toperceive via the Kundalini. Over 19 years of experience with aguidance to teach for those who are guided to receive. I am not the " only " teacher. There are others who teach this and so it is a point

of discernment for you if what is given by and through me for youfeels appropriate. Intuition will guide you. I come from a place of disciplined love and disciplined intention. Iknow that may sound hard, but its quite easy and very flexing within

the parameters of forgiveness, helpfulness, kindness, toleranceunderstanding, trust, surrender, service to others, evolution and ofcourse, love. - `Nice to meet everyone! -

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I don't know; I have quite extensive conversations with myself (silently and otherwise)Julie--- On Sat, 2/14/09, JiNN <jinnproduction wrote:JiNN <jinnproductionRe: Re: Introductions everyone? Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 3:55 PM

 

Linda, I appreciate the effort, but for me, there is nothing that is not God. So howcan something that doesnt exist pray to something that exists. From everysingle atom to galaxies and to multiverse, it is all God. And we are God, so

why pray to ourselves? I respect everyone else's belief, but this is my "state of mind" right now.On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Linda <crazycats711@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Mike, I may be able to help you with the prayer struggle. There

is lots more to prayer than asking for things, although that is the

most common one. There are many types of prayer and if you are doing

the safeties then you have been doing some of these types of prayer

unawares, maybe. :)

 

Here is a list of the types of prayer: If the word God bothers you

you can replace it with the word Shakti kundalini, higher self or

whatever feels more comfortable to you. Prayer is the practice of the

presence of God.

 

Petition - asking God to supply your daily bread/needs.

 

Confession - admitting your wrong doings to God and others and asking

forgiveness.

 

Adoration - giving praise and adoration to God for all his blessings

in life even the things you may not feel at the time to be a

blessing. :)

 

Intercession - a prayer offered on the behalf of others.

 

Meditation - being silent and opening your heart and soul to God's

direction, love, and admonition.

 

Thankgiving - simply giving thanks to God for all things. Practice

being/staying in a state of gratitude.

 

Consecration - a prayer of surrendering your will completely to God's

will and service.

 

If you would like to read more indept on these and get a better

understanding of the types of prayer than this short little

paraphrasing I did, this article is were I got them from.

 

http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_qa3885/ is_199801/ ai_n8798631

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

P.S. I hope this will help you feel able to participated in the

shaktipat. The prayer of petition is not one that is required, if

that is what is holding you back. But do read what the article has to

say about the prayer of petition, it might help change your mind

about it even. :)

 

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , JiNN

<jinnproduction@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very interested

in

> eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan Watts

about a

> year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I

though the

> whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection.

Everything

> changed after that. I started researching about

buddhism/taoism/ hinduism,

> practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga

(astanga) about

> twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention.

Then I

> started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as being

more

> happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So

about three

> monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga DVD,

which I

> practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome

community!. So

> right now my practice routine is like this (in order from beggining

to end):

> 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing,

Mediation..

> The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing further

and

> futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to

become very

> happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the sounds

and

> images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/ emotional

orchestra.

> I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and understand

the line

> between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not

exist for me

> in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on

angry/sad/negative/ etc

> thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I guess

when you

> start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest, that

I tested

> and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if

there is

> anger/sadness/ negativity in the thought right away move the

concentration to

> the breath. Do not "ride" with this thought. This is what it means

to be

> when explained to "balance your emotions". I am also slowly

moving to

> be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals gets

treated.

> I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties

except

> prayer. I still do not "feel" like there is anything that is needed

to be

> prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude, praying is

like

> selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why I

have not

> participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare

honestly that I

> am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand

and agree

> with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe praying

will also

> come into my understanding.

> thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy

emails. :) I

> really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional

earthquake times.

> I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little

community. Even

> thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a lot

of the

> emails.

>

> Thank you

> With love,

> Mike

>

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>>If you are experiencing a connection to the whole at all times, then

>>of course you would not need prayer. But then why would you need to

>>participate in shatipat, if you are already experiencing that oneness

>>at all times. Wouldn't experiencing the oneness at all times mean you

>>are already enlightened and have no needs? Is there another reason

>>for kundalini awakening that i do not know of?

 

When did I say I am experiencce a connection to the whole at all times?I said my belief is that we are all God. Through yoga, I am feeling moreand more like everything is one, since yoga removes the boundary

from internal to external. Again I have been practicing yoga for only like 6 months,I am not even close to the start of the " wholeness " experience.The things I try and keep practicing are things that I must sort of " understand "

in an experience sort of way. If something that Buddha, Jesus, Krishna or Chrismsays I try and it doesn't make " sense " (not in an analytical way) I will not do it.That is where prayer is with me right now. I see no reason to pray to yourself.

You know that is why i like eastern " paths " as opposed to western religions. In mosteastern " paths " you are told to look inside ourselves while in western religions you worshipsomething that is outside, higher, and more powerful that you.

Shaktipat, for me, and this is my person opinion, is to get deeper and deeper into yourself. Kundalini is, for me, is find something that is deep in yourselfalready. Because Kundalini is YOU already. It is not a separate object, because separate objects don't exists. And how can you even believe that it is a separate object if it resides at the

base of the spine of you. Anyway, as we dive more deeply into these topics the symbols we use to represent reality (laugauge) break down and we get caught up on catching others using incorrect symbols or using symbols for which the two

different people have two different meanings for. So I cannot breakdown to youusing the symbols system for why, at this moment, I " feel " I dont need to pray,but what matters is that " feel " . :)

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

 

 

 

 

I was sort of think thinking that was the way you were most likely

believing. I believe this way as well, but I believe there is an I,

the little i, that is in this space/time frame who is an individual

separated with limits from the whole. Also, that this is really all

an illusion that we are playing out as a learning experience and we

are given tools to work with. I see prayer as a tool, a way for the

little i to feel/sense a connection with the whole which is the big

I/God. I, the little i, knows with head knowledge that i am always

connected and there is no separation, but i don't always 'experience'

that connection every second of the day. Prayer helps me to connect

with the big I/God and know it is real by experiencing.

 

If you are experiencing a connection to the whole at all times, then

of course you would not need prayer. But then why would you need to

participate in shatipat, if you are already experiencing that oneness

at all times. Wouldn't experiencing the oneness at all times mean you

are already enlightened and have no needs? Is there another reason

for kundalini awakening that i do not know of?

 

Linda

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Linda, I appreciate the effort, but for me, there is nothing that

is not

> God. So how

> can something that doesnt exist pray to something that exists. From

every

> single atom to galaxies and to multiverse, it is all God. And we

are God, so

>

> why pray to ourselves? I respect everyone else's belief, but this

is my

> " state of mind " right now.

>

>

> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

>

> > Hello Mike, I may be able to help you with the prayer struggle.

There

> > is lots more to prayer than asking for things, although that is

the

> > most common one. There are many types of prayer and if you are

doing

> > the safeties then you have been doing some of these types of

prayer

> > unawares, maybe. :)

> >

> > Here is a list of the types of prayer: If the word God bothers you

> > you can replace it with the word Shakti kundalini, higher self or

> > whatever feels more comfortable to you. Prayer is the practice of

the

> > presence of God.

> >

> > Petition - asking God to supply your daily bread/needs.

> >

> > Confession - admitting your wrong doings to God and others and

asking

> > forgiveness.

> >

> > Adoration - giving praise and adoration to God for all his

blessings

> > in life even the things you may not feel at the time to be a

> > blessing. :)

> >

> > Intercession - a prayer offered on the behalf of others.

> >

> > Meditation - being silent and opening your heart and soul to God's

> > direction, love, and admonition.

> >

> > Thankgiving - simply giving thanks to God for all things. Practice

> > being/staying in a state of gratitude.

> >

> > Consecration - a prayer of surrendering your will completely to

God's

> > will and service.

> >

> > If you would like to read more indept on these and get a better

> > understanding of the types of prayer than this short little

> > paraphrasing I did, this article is were I got them from.

> >

> > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3885/is_199801/ai_n8798631

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Linda

> >

> > P.S. I hope this will help you feel able to participated in the

> > shaktipat. The prayer of petition is not one that is required, if

> > that is what is holding you back. But do read what the article

has to

> > say about the prayer of petition, it might help change your mind

> > about it even. :)

> >

> > <Kundalini-

Awakening-Systems-1%40>,

> > JiNN

> > <jinnproduction@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > My name is Mike. I am from New Jersey. I have been very

interested

> > in

> > > eastern philosophy ever since I got introduced to it by Alan

Watts

> > about a

> > > year ago. My first spiritual experience, and I before this I

> > though the

> > > whole spiritual realm is nonsense, was an astral projection.

> > Everything

> > > changed after that. I started researching about

> > buddhism/taoism/hinduism,

> > > practicing meditation. Six months ago I started doing yoga

> > (astanga) about

> > > twice a week, nothing too intense, not with a lot of intention.

> > Then I

> > > started noticing very interesting changes with myself such as

being

> > more

> > > happy, less worried about ego-formulated problems, etc etc. So

> > about three

> > > monhs ago, I stumbled upon kundalini, first as Kundalini yoga

DVD,

> > which I

> > > practiced for about a week, and then i found this awesome

> > community!. So

> > > right now my practice routine is like this (in order from

beggining

> > to end):

> > > 5 Tibetans, Astanga Yoga (postures), Alternate Nose Breathing,

> > Mediation..

> > > The whole practice is about 1.5 Hours but I am progressing

further

> > and

> > > futher with yoga postures. I have notices that I am starting to

> > become very

> > > happy/blissful everyday, less and less things bother me, the

sounds

> > and

> > > images or the world are becoming like a musical/visual/emotional

> > orchestra.

> > > I do plan for the future, but I am beggining to draw and

understand

> > the line

> > > between planning and worrying for the future. This line did not

> > exist for me

> > > in the past. I am beggining to catch myself on

> > angry/sad/negative/etc

> > > thoughts, and right away move my awareness to the breath. I

guess

> > when you

> > > start to go into Kundalini, one piece of advise I can suggest,

that

> > I tested

> > > and use myself, is learn how to be aware of your thoughts and if

> > there is

> > > anger/sadness/negativity in the thought right away move the

> > concentration to

> > > the breath. Do not " ride " with this thought. This is what it

means

> > to be

> > > when explained to " balance your emotions " . I am also

slowly

> > moving to

> > > be a vegan, since I am begging to feel very sorry how animals

gets

> > treated.

> > > I will be honest with you, I practice everything in the safeties

> > except

> > > prayer. I still do not " feel " like there is anything that is

needed

> > to be

> > > prayed to, because for me, and im not trying to be rude,

praying is

> > like

> > > selling myself a watch I just stole from my pocket. This is why

I

> > have not

> > > participated in the shaktipat yet, because I cannot declare

> > honestly that I

> > > am practicing 100% of the safeties. Everything else I understand

> > and agree

> > > with, but I have to explore a little more deeper and maybe

praying

> > will also

> > > come into my understanding.

> > > thank you so much for all your answers to my crazy

> > emails. :) I

> > > really appreciate it. It helped me through some emotional

> > earthquake times.

> > > I would also like to thank everyone in this wonderful little

> > community. Even

> > > thought I dont response too much I do read and enjoy reading a

lot

> > of the

> > > emails.

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > > With love,

> > > Mike

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi Mike,

@@@ When did I say I am experiencce a connection to the whole at all

times? @@@

 

I guess I just assumed, since you said you had no sense for a need

for prayer, which I see as a tool for commuication/connecting with

God the whole.

 

 

@@@ I see no reason to pray to yourself. You know that is why i like

eastern " paths " as opposed to western religions. In most

eastern " paths " you are told to look inside ourselves while in

western religions you worship something that is outside, higher, and

more powerful that you.@@@

 

I don't see that the eastern teach and different as the western. I

see that as media hype to pit one religion against another so wars

can be created. The last I looked the bible and Jesus taught when one

prays, they are to go to their prayer closet and seek God who is

within. Jesus very clearly stated to not do your praying in public

with fancy word like some do. The Bible very clearly states that the

Kingdom of God and God is within, not out side of you. All the

christians I know, know that, but I am sure there must be some

unenlighten christians out there who may still believe God is outside

of themselves, those who maybe have not read the bible for themselves

to know what the bible and Jesus say, but rely upon on the media for

their info.

 

I do believe that the God/Divine within is stronger than the

little 'i' that is limited. Why else would you need to go within,

except to commication with the higher power/God within. You also have

the ego within, you would not be going within to seek the ego self

which is your limited self. That would be praying (talking) to

yourself. IMHO

:) If we did not have so many selves, things would not be so

complicated. LOL!

 

The ego, shadow self is something I have been struggling with to

understand, the way it is taught by the east, anyways. I have always

thought of the ego self as the little 'i' self that has two side

(good and bad) and never thought of shadow (bad) as being the half of

the little 'i' self as a separate self, in which the good ego half

has to control. I am sure that was what Paul was talking about when

he spoke of the war within one's self. I see the little 'i' self as a

whole self (both the good and the bad) and they both as a whole self

need to be summitted to God the Divine self. Neither the good nor the

bad parts are really 'good' both parts are corrupt, both lacking,

both limited.

 

@@@ Kundalini is, for me, is find something that is deep in yourself

already. Because Kundalini is YOU already. It is not a separate

object, because separate objects don't exists. And how can you even

believe that it is a separate object if it resides at the base of the

spine of you.@@@

 

I see Kundalini as the Divine/God within. When it is in the base of

the spine it is in a dormant state, meaning it is not fully released,

but only working within you in a limited amount to give you life to

exist. As you continue releasing/summitting/surrendering the ego self

(you the little 'i') to this Divine God self, the more it increases

and the more the ego decreases. The ego self gets swallowed up and

becomes one with the Divine eventually, depending upon your ability

to surrender. That is what I see in my mind when chrism says we have

to let the snake swallow us. When we still have God the Divine

Kundalini still in the dormant state, we do need to use prayer as

tool for helping the ego (the little limited self) come to terms with

it's fears and inabilities to submitted to the higher God self. MHO.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> >>If you are experiencing a connection to the whole at all times,

then

> >>of course you would not need prayer. But then why would you need

to

> >>participate in shatipat, if you are already experiencing that

oneness

> >>at all times. Wouldn't experiencing the oneness at all times mean

you

> >>are already enlightened and have no needs? Is there another reason

> >>for kundalini awakening that i do not know of?

>

> When did I say I am experiencce a connection to the whole at all

times?

> I said my belief is that we are all God. Through yoga, I am feeling

more

> and more like everything is one, since yoga removes the boundary

> from internal to external. Again I have been practicing yoga for

only like 6

> months,

> I am not even close to the start of the " wholeness " experience.

> The things I try and keep practicing are things that I must sort of

> " understand "

> in an experience sort of way. If something that Buddha, Jesus,

Krishna or

> Chrism

> says I try and it doesn't make " sense " (not in an analytical way) I

will not

> do it.

> That is where prayer is with me right now. I see no reason to pray

to

> yourself.

> You know that is why i like eastern " paths " as opposed to western

religions.

> In most

> eastern " paths " you are told to look inside ourselves while in

western

> religions you worship

> something that is outside, higher, and more powerful that you.

> Shaktipat, for me, and this is my person opinion, is to get deeper

and

> deeper into yourself. Kundalini is, for me, is find something that

is deep

> in yourself

> already. Because Kundalini is YOU already. It is not a separate

object,

> because separate objects don't exists. And how can you even believe

that it

> is a separate object if it resides at the

> base of the spine of you. Anyway, as we dive more deeply into these

topics

> the

> symbols we use to represent reality (laugauge) break down and we

get caught

> up on

> catching others using incorrect symbols or using symbols for which

the two

> different people have two different meanings for. So I cannot

breakdown to

> you

> using the symbols system for why, at this moment, I " feel " I dont

need to

> pray,

> but what matters is that " feel " . :)

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Hey everyone, I'm craig, and here's my story (sorry it's kind of long

but the past 2 years have been quite a ride and it's hard to summarize

everything in short because everything's been new).

Ever since I can remember I've felt like I was different from everyone

else, unique in some special way but chalked it up to childish

illusions of grandeur. In high school, my questioning began, like the

pledge of allegiance and the Christian church (I grew up in a part of

the southern US that people called the bible belt). I believed in the

form of Christianity they taught around here out of pure fear of going

to hell (didn't know at the time I was allowing them to put me in

hell). I started questioning what I was taught. In college, I learned

about the atrocities committed by the church and the US (especially

with the Native Americans), and this only served to ignite my anger

and disgust with the western society, I looked at it as: freedom and

heaven come at a very high price with slaves and bloodshed. So, a

downward spiral I went. I couldn't stand this society anymore and

dropped out of college and moved out of state, and started doing the

things I wanted to. But alas I was still getting more and more

depressed. People started to notice that I was deeply immersed inside

my head and they pointed out that I think too much but I had no way

out. Then about 2 years ago a thought was brought forth in my mind:

`Since when is reality an agreed upon lie?' (and I didn't realize this

at the time but it also pertained to my beliefs as well). It just

echoed in my consciousness. Then I hit rock bottom with hating

everything and thinking ill of everyone I didn't know. So, about a

year and a half ago, I moved back home, after 7 or 8 years, to recoup

and try to figure out what to do. That's when my mom introduced me to

mindfulness (and my first real introduction to eastern practices, I

had been taught them before by people who didn't understand them nor

practice what they taught); this changed my whole perspective and led

me to the realization that the world I see is a reflection of my inner

world. I also came across a website talking about kundalini and the

chakras. And to my surprise, when I focused on the root chakra, it

became charged. Then the sacral, and that too became charged. All the

way up, the chakras became charged and to my surprise, after the third

eye was charged, I could still feel the other ones. I felt a deep

peace, then went to sleep, and the next day I wasn't able to repeat

it. Then I got into kundalini yoga and started reading Gopi Krishna

and Geneveive Lewis Paulson. My third eye started opening up and made

it hard to sleep. I also came across Tolle's book, and I credit him to

truly helping me forgive Christianity and the western way of life,

that all was done out of the human unconsciousness.

I decided to move to Maine to help my friend farm for this past

spring and summer, and that's when I started practicing techniques to

rouse the Kundalini offered by Paulson. I started to have the

kaleidoscope effect when I woke up in the night and knew that

something wonderful was being done to my perception. And I was having

some profound experiences like one where my identity shifted to the

silent gaps, so much so that when my friend's girlfriend's 2 year old

daughter was yelling and screaming, I was totally at peace because any

sound she made, any sound my mind made, I had a deep realization that

it was being born out of this silence and dying back into the silence

but that awareness vanished the next morning I woke up (it's been hard

to let that experience go, it was like nothing I've ever felt). But

since no great awakening described by Gopi Krishna, I continued to do

the rousing techniques, everyday. I started to get physically weak and

pale looking but still continued doing them. It started to hurt to be

present but I still continued the practice. Then in October, came

back south and found a Tolle group because I was in immense pain and

agony, I just didn't know what to do (by that time I had stopped the

rousing techniques), still didn't think it was Kundalini because no

fireworks. Then, someone from that group directed me here, and come to

find out it was Kundalini and that everyone has unique experiences

with this. So that's how I got started on this path, I still feel like

a young sapling because I haven't even been officially on the

spiritual path for more than 2 years. So I consider myself very lucky

to have this expression in me and to have found this group.

So now, I'm still having a lot of physical sensations with the

Kundalini, like third eye, heart, throat, and crown chakras opening

up wider. I'm going through emotional kryas (thanks Chrism, it helps

to surrender to both the ups and downs now that I have an idea of

what's going on) and steadily as best I can practicing the safeties

(I've been helped a lot with the student course in A Course In

Miracles). I'm trying out a program that's supposed to get to the

underlying beliefs that cause phobias (the beliefs caused really early

on with parents that people don't know that they still have) and

seeing the alternatives, and this is supposed to cause a permanent

shift in perception. I've had one session and it was more of a mapping

out of beliefs and I got to see how it worked with one belief and for

a couple days I felt a subtle shift in my perception, but my ego likes

to find loopholes, so I'll see how this goes. And I don't feel as

drawn toward music, but feel directed toward becoming an EMT. So this

april I'm taking the class, hopefully I'll be of service to those in

critical conditions. That's about it for me.

namaste

craig

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Craig, Thanks for sharing... very very interesting read.

Warm regards

krish

 

, " kundaflame "

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> Hey everyone, I'm craig, and here's my story (sorry it's kind of long

>

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Linda, Im not trying to argue with you so lets just leave it at " to each its own " .I do not like the Bible and I do not like western religions. You are obviouslymixing Christian/Catholic teaching in your explanations. I used to be Catholic

and once I left that it was the best feeling I have ever had. So basically youwill get nowhere with me talking about Bibles/Jesus. So im not arguing with you, its just the points you presented for prayer, dont

really mean anything to my current " state of mind " .MikeOn Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Linda <crazycats711 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Mike,

@@@ When did I say I am experiencce a connection to the whole at all

times? @@@

 

I guess I just assumed, since you said you had no sense for a need

for prayer, which I see as a tool for commuication/connecting with

God the whole.

 

@@@ I see no reason to pray to yourself. You know that is why i like

eastern " paths " as opposed to western religions. In most

eastern " paths " you are told to look inside ourselves while in

western religions you worship something that is outside, higher, and

more powerful that you.@@@

 

I don't see that the eastern teach and different as the western. I

see that as media hype to pit one religion against another so wars

can be created. The last I looked the bible and Jesus taught when one

prays, they are to go to their prayer closet and seek God who is

within. Jesus very clearly stated to not do your praying in public

with fancy word like some do. The Bible very clearly states that the

Kingdom of God and God is within, not out side of you. All the

christians I know, know that, but I am sure there must be some

unenlighten christians out there who may still believe God is outside

of themselves, those who maybe have not read the bible for themselves

to know what the bible and Jesus say, but rely upon on the media for

their info.

 

I do believe that the God/Divine within is stronger than the

little 'i' that is limited. Why else would you need to go within,

except to commication with the higher power/God within. You also have

the ego within, you would not be going within to seek the ego self

which is your limited self. That would be praying (talking) to

yourself. IMHO

:) If we did not have so many selves, things would not be so

complicated. LOL!

 

The ego, shadow self is something I have been struggling with to

understand, the way it is taught by the east, anyways. I have always

thought of the ego self as the little 'i' self that has two side

(good and bad) and never thought of shadow (bad) as being the half of

the little 'i' self as a separate self, in which the good ego half

has to control. I am sure that was what Paul was talking about when

he spoke of the war within one's self. I see the little 'i' self as a

whole self (both the good and the bad) and they both as a whole self

need to be summitted to God the Divine self. Neither the good nor the

bad parts are really 'good' both parts are corrupt, both lacking,

both limited.

 

@@@ Kundalini is, for me, is find something that is deep in yourself

already. Because Kundalini is YOU already. It is not a separate

object, because separate objects don't exists. And how can you even

believe that it is a separate object if it resides at the base of the

spine of you.@@@

 

I see Kundalini as the Divine/God within. When it is in the base of

the spine it is in a dormant state, meaning it is not fully released,

but only working within you in a limited amount to give you life to

exist. As you continue releasing/summitting/surrendering the ego self

(you the little 'i') to this Divine God self, the more it increases

and the more the ego decreases. The ego self gets swallowed up and

becomes one with the Divine eventually, depending upon your ability

to surrender. That is what I see in my mind when chrism says we have

to let the snake swallow us. When we still have God the Divine

Kundalini still in the dormant state, we do need to use prayer as

tool for helping the ego (the little limited self) come to terms with

it's fears and inabilities to submitted to the higher God self. MHO.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> >>If you are experiencing a connection to the whole at all times,

then

> >>of course you would not need prayer. But then why would you need

to

> >>participate in shatipat, if you are already experiencing that

oneness

> >>at all times. Wouldn't experiencing the oneness at all times mean

you

> >>are already enlightened and have no needs? Is there another reason

> >>for kundalini awakening that i do not know of?

>

> When did I say I am experiencce a connection to the whole at all

times?

> I said my belief is that we are all God. Through yoga, I am feeling

more

> and more like everything is one, since yoga removes the boundary

> from internal to external. Again I have been practicing yoga for

only like 6

> months,

> I am not even close to the start of the " wholeness " experience.

> The things I try and keep practicing are things that I must sort of

> " understand "

> in an experience sort of way. If something that Buddha, Jesus,

Krishna or

> Chrism

> says I try and it doesn't make " sense " (not in an analytical way) I

will not

> do it.

> That is where prayer is with me right now. I see no reason to pray

to

> yourself.

> You know that is why i like eastern " paths " as opposed to western

religions.

> In most

> eastern " paths " you are told to look inside ourselves while in

western

> religions you worship

> something that is outside, higher, and more powerful that you.

> Shaktipat, for me, and this is my person opinion, is to get deeper

and

> deeper into yourself. Kundalini is, for me, is find something that

is deep

> in yourself

> already. Because Kundalini is YOU already. It is not a separate

object,

> because separate objects don't exists. And how can you even believe

that it

> is a separate object if it resides at the

> base of the spine of you. Anyway, as we dive more deeply into these

topics

> the

> symbols we use to represent reality (laugauge) break down and we

get caught

> up on

> catching others using incorrect symbols or using symbols for which

the two

> different people have two different meanings for. So I cannot

breakdown to

> you

> using the symbols system for why, at this moment, I " feel " I dont

need to

> pray,

> but what matters is that " feel " . :)

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Yes the freedom to be as we are. Pray in whatever form or practice

feels comfortable. If there isnt a form or practice then do not worry.

Meditate and let that practice carry you on your path. - blessings all

- chrism

 

 

, JiNN

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> Linda,

>

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Of course, that is OK with me Mike. I was not trying to argue with

you over any religious belief. I do not see prayer is not just a

chriatian thing. Sorry if you were offended, I was just trying to

help you understand prayer.

 

If your current " state of mind " is not open to any other viewpoints

about prayer, then I guess you are stuck with what you have.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Linda,

> Im not trying to argue with you so lets just leave it at " to each

its

> own " .

> I do not like the Bible and I do not like western religions. You are

> obviously

> mixing Christian/Catholic teaching in your explanations. I used to

be

> Catholic

> and once I left that it was the best feeling I have ever had. So

basically

> you

> will get nowhere with me talking about Bibles/Jesus.

>

> So im not arguing with you, its just the points you presented for

prayer,

> dont

> really mean anything to my current " state of mind " .

>

> Mike

>

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Yes, that is what I was trying to get across to Mike in my long drawn

out posts. To me meditation is a form of prayer. And there are many

types of meditations.

 

He felt he could not take part in shaktipat because he did not believe

in praying. I was just trying to help him see that maybe he was doing a

type of prayer unaware, that meditation and other practices are a form

of pray. I guess if he does not meditate either, perhaps he does not do

any type of prayer. Pagans have their prayers and even my athiest hubby

does a form of meditation.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Yes the freedom to be as we are. Pray in whatever form or practice

> feels comfortable. If there isnt a form or practice then do not worry.

> Meditate and let that practice carry you on your path. - blessings all

> - chrism

>

>

> , JiNN

> <jinnproduction@> wrote:

> >

> > Linda,

> >

>

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