ibogane/drugs

[Guest guest]

why did you post like 4 threads about drugs? i think one would suffice..

 

drugs can be dangerous.. and i'm not saying this to be conservative..

i've done psychedelics and they do open you up, but they aren't needed.

a spiritual path with meditation opens one up to the degree that they

are able.. a drug can open you up completely when you're not, and that

can be bad. i almost had a meltdown on LSD when my subconscious opened

up and i was overwhelmed with repressed fears and anxiety.

 

also, psychedelics increase phenomena and give the perception of truth

when in actuality you're still in illusion

[Guest guest]

oh and yes.. you are right on about every culture having

psychedelics.. hallucinogens.. its been theorized by anthropologists

that religion and mysticism came from these psychedelics, and that

monkeys took psychedelic plants and sped up their evolution of

consciousness

 

who knows.

 

the desire for truth is overwhelming, its evolution.. from gross

matter to divine consciousness. its intuition coming through and

saying take this.. it will bring you one step closer.

[Guest guest]

No it isn't that easy. Drugs or plants used without knowledge can

be very harmful. It typically isn't just " take this herb and lose

your ego " either though I know you didn't say that. There are many

other factors to consider. There are as many harmful effects from

these substances as there are positive and to only focus on the

positive aspects is doing a disservice to those who will just take

your word on it and try it.

 

Mikael is correct these substances are not needed. They are a short

cut that can become a crutch. The human system is able to naturally

attain the states that are used as a fulcrum into the higher exalted

states of being. Kundalini which resides in the tailbone is this

bridge.

 

Not saying that your experience isn't all that you say it is. I

honor your experience with these plants and the teachings you have

received. In the descriptions of these plants and what they do, or

how they are taken, and in what amounts, and in what preparation and

in what circumstance, is the other side of the coin that needs to be

explained. And there are other groups for those explanations.

 

Kundalini can be accessed by " some " of these substances but they

must be given the extreme respect and diligence to safety in their

handling and ingestion. There are NO guarantees.

 

I bring up the entheogins as a way of allowing people to know there

are other ways than that which is the typical meditation yoga way.

There are many paths to the Kundalini. Some are better and safer

than others yet that is up to the individual to decide.

 

Some paths require more work. And yet from that work comes a base of

direction and knowledge. Based, in our case, in a slow and gradual

attainment of experience, and conditioning. Sometimes the body's

need to go slow.

 

Kundalini is far more dangerous than any of the drugs or plants

mentioned. She comes with her own agenda and the sights and sounds

and physical phenomena can far exceed that of LSD or mushroom or any

other trip experience that comes from a plant. Or a laboratory. It

can go on for the rest of the persons life. It isnt always a cake

walk and so great care is given for those wishing to explore

Kundalini by what ever modality is used.

 

It is wondrous and joyous and the quality and amount of love is

beyond words! But one needs to have certain understandings as well.

 

Shakti is given the utmost respect here by virtue of the divine

natures. The real physical spiritual divine interaction and

expression. This is a " real thing " for those of you who have not yet

experienced it. It's not OBE its not lucid dreaming those are

mere " languages " when it comes to Kundalini.

 

Back to the subject though. Let us be very careful and considerate

when we speak of the entheogins and their benefits by balancing the

information. We do this with Kundalini as well - blessings all -

chrism