Psychiatric units

[Guest guest]

Stephen,

Kundalini goes far beyond my limited understandings of its

potentials. Would it be possible to put one of the patients of a

psyche ward that you may be familiar with on the healing group and see

what help can be received? - blessing my friend - chrism

 

, " Master Condrey "

<mastercondrey wrote:

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> Psychiatric units and Kundalini are mentioned often in our discourse.

[Guest guest]

From : http://serez.gaia.com/blog/2006/8/im_sorry_and_i_love_you

This is about Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len " HO'OPONOPONO

By Joe Vitale

" Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of

criminally insane patients--without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist

would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created

that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved. "

chrism <> wrote: Stephen,

Kundalini goes far beyond my limited understandings of its

potentials. Would it be possible to put one of the patients of a

psyche ward that you may be familiar with on the healing group and see

what help can be received? - blessing my friend - chrism

 

, " Master Condrey "

<mastercondrey wrote:

>

> Psychiatric units and Kundalini are mentioned often in our discourse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

how can you trust the mind when the mind is the problem in the first

place?

maybe some have a gift of intuition, a connection to the inner guru..

but for most like me, all i hear is the voice of the ego since thats

all I know. thats who i'm used to listening to.

chrism, you say " we are individuals first " but isn't that kind of

thinking the problem in the first place? the belief that we are

individuals rather than primordial consciousness that is free of

separation

[Guest guest]

Question: If it is true that the Guru is one's own Self, what is the

principle underlying the doctrine which says that, however learned a

disciple may be or whatever occult powers he may possess, he cannot

attain Self-realisation without the grace of the Guru?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Although in absolute truth the state of the Guru

is that of oneself (the Self), it is very hard for the self which has

become the individual (jiva or embodied soul) through ignorance, to

realise its true state or nature without the grace of the Guru.

 

 

Question: How then some great persons attain knowledge without a Guru?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: To a few mature persons the Lord shines as the

formless light of knowledge and imparts awareness of the truth.

 

Question: What is the significance of Guru's grace in the attainment

of liberation?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Liberation is not anywhere outside you. It is

only within. If a man is anxious for deliverance, the internal Guru

pulls him in and the external Guru pushes him into the Self. This is

the grace of the Guru.

 

Questioner: J.Krishnamurti says, " No Guru is necessary. "

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: How did he know it? One can say so after

realising but not before.

 

Question: Is it absolutely necessary to have a Guru if one is seeking

Self-realisation?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: So long as you seek Self-realisation the Guru is

necessary. Guru is the Self. Take Guru to be the real Self and your

self as the individual self. The disappearance of this sense of

duality is the removal of ignorance. So long as duality persists in

you the Guru is necessary. Because you identify yourself with the

body, you think that the Guru is also a body.

You are not the body, nor is the Guru. You are the Self and so is the

Guru. This knowledge is gained by what you call Self-realisation.

 

more here

http://www.kundalinisupport.com/guru.htm

 

 

my understanding of it is that the guru system is a tool.

- gives the mind something to focus on

- surrender to guru allows openness to shakti that is always there

- guru pummels the ego and points one toward the inner guru

- helps one steer clear of distractions and phenomena to focus on

attaining the highest level of consciousness

 

its a system, and it works. but unfortunately in this day and age the

guru has turned into a business. so finding a legit guru who isn't out

to make money is tough. but can be done, look at swami G for example.

 

the problem I feel with this " trust yourself " type mentality is that

trusting your ego mind can easily occur, and 99.9% of the time does.

[Guest guest]

The Rishi Sanskriti is a ten thousand year old spiritual tradition in India and

the Guru is part of that System. For many westerners this may be a bit

distasteful. In India Guru is God - " Guru Devo Bavath " . The desciple is

supposed to surrender his 'Than, Man and Dhan " - Body, Mind and Wealth - to the

Guru. The westerner deales with everybody on an equal footing.

There are four categories of Gurus and the highest one is the " Samarth Guru " -

literal translation is Expert Guru. This Guru is capable of giving

'Enlightenment' by a word, or a touch or a look. There is enogh proof validating

this. Shri Ramana Maharishi and Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj are recent examples.

In India it is considered a dangerous pursuit to take up the Kundalini Sadhana

without a proper Guru, who himself is a realised soul.

Regards

Venugopal

 

mikael <mixolyd wrote: Question: If it is

true that the Guru is one's own Self, what is the

principle underlying the doctrine which says that, however learned a

disciple may be or whatever occult powers he may possess, he cannot

attain Self-realisation without the grace of the Guru?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Although in absolute truth the state of the Guru

is that of oneself (the Self), it is very hard for the self which has

become the individual (jiva or embodied soul) through ignorance, to

realise its true state or nature without the grace of the Guru.

 

Question: How then some great persons attain knowledge without a Guru?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: To a few mature persons the Lord shines as the

formless light of knowledge and imparts awareness of the truth.

 

Question: What is the significance of Guru's grace in the attainment

of liberation?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Liberation is not anywhere outside you. It is

only within. If a man is anxious for deliverance, the internal Guru

pulls him in and the external Guru pushes him into the Self. This is

the grace of the Guru.

 

Questioner: J.Krishnamurti says, " No Guru is necessary. "

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: How did he know it? One can say so after

realising but not before.

 

Question: Is it absolutely necessary to have a Guru if one is seeking

Self-realisation?

 

Sri Ramana Maharshi: So long as you seek Self-realisation the Guru is

necessary. Guru is the Self. Take Guru to be the real Self and your

self as the individual self. The disappearance of this sense of

duality is the removal of ignorance. So long as duality persists in

you the Guru is necessary. Because you identify yourself with the

body, you think that the Guru is also a body.

You are not the body, nor is the Guru. You are the Self and so is the

Guru. This knowledge is gained by what you call Self-realisation.

 

more here

http://www.kundalinisupport.com/guru.htm

 

my understanding of it is that the guru system is a tool.

- gives the mind something to focus on

- surrender to guru allows openness to shakti that is always there

- guru pummels the ego and points one toward the inner guru

- helps one steer clear of distractions and phenomena to focus on

attaining the highest level of consciousness

 

its a system, and it works. but unfortunately in this day and age the

guru has turned into a business. so finding a legit guru who isn't out

to make money is tough. but can be done, look at swami G for example.

 

the problem I feel with this " trust yourself " type mentality is that

trusting your ego mind can easily occur, and 99.9% of the time does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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