in the eyes of others

[Guest guest]

I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my way

and I wish to make them public to you.

 

I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly employed

by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

 

" Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these I

am sure it does occur.

 

I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

 

I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

based upon my experiences.

 

I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

repeatedly.

 

As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini within

and outside of me.

 

One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

timeline.

 

I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money on

every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some time.

 

I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that are

detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot beverage

in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

 

So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind stranger

you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

[Guest guest]

At 05:07 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:

>One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

>done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

>through the process in their own way.

 

Show me ONE author who claims that all his ideas are exclusively his own, and I

will show you a liar.

 

I have a similar challenge in my own work, it even extends to the things I post

on discussion groups. A lot of the inspiration for my thinking comes from the

work I have done with Ross Quinn. I have his permission to freely share what I

do, but I feel strongly he should be given credit when I think the story or idea

is " his " more than mine. If I don't do that, I feel I'm not honoring him. When I

do it, I sometimes worry if people will think I am promoting him too much. Can't

win. I try to tread a middle path, and that's all I'd expect you to do.

 

>So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

>Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

>that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind stranger

>you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

 

A " perfect guru " is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. Once you are perfected,

you disappear in a puff of blue smoke, you don't need to be here anymore. That

is why I don't follow gurus. The point is to think for ourselves. That's what

I've liked about what you are doing. I am relieved to learn you don't think you

are perfect, it takes some of the pressure off me to be perfect! I don't have to

agree with you all the time, I'll take what works and disregard the rest. I

recall a book I once read early along my own path, " If you meet the Buddha on

the road, kill him " . That title says it all.

 

Where it comes to this kind of critic, I remember that their motivation comes

from tribal clique thinking, and consider the source. What they say may be

interesting, it's not relevant as far as I am concerned.

 

Illegitimi Non Carborundum, Chrism.

 

Brandi

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chris, there will always be detractors, especially for true leaders such as you.

You know that we do not feel pressured by you in any way, only lovingly led and

fed.

 

God bless these jealous and fearful detractors, may their hearts be touched

one day as ours have been touched by you.

 

Blessings & love to you, fellow traveler,

 

Claudia

 

chrism <> wrote:

I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my way

and I wish to make them public to you.

 

I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly employed

by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

 

" Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these I

am sure it does occur.

 

I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

 

I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

based upon my experiences.

 

I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

repeatedly.

 

As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini within

and outside of me.

 

One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

timeline.

 

I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money on

every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some time.

 

I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that are

detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot beverage

in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

 

So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind stranger

you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for sharing this, dear Chrism. There will always be those

who resent the Light, and attack it. You are in good company.

 

One of my teachers once told me, after I had had a bout of unwarranted

criticism, " Don't take it to heart. They'd even criticize Jesus Christ

if he was here doing this! "

 

Love, dhyana

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my way

> and I wish to make them public to you.

>

> I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> beginners and others who come seeking assistance.

[Guest guest]

At 10:00 PM 2/14/2008, you wrote:

> " Don't take it to heart. They'd even criticize Jesus Christ

>if he was here doing this! "

 

They didn't just criticize Christ ... <g> ...

 

Brandi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

No matter how good your intentions are or how specific you are about

them, there will always be naysayers. Be they motivated by fear,

jealousy, greed or plain old misunderstanding.

 

When I joined this group I admit that I looked for " the catch " . I

wondered what profit you would be making from us. I soon saw that

this was not a cult, that you were not looking for adulation, money

or drones or any such thing. In this world, it is sometimes hard to

believe that there are selfless people in it and yet, here on this

group are a few hundred such examples.

 

You definately aren't looking to control us! Many a time I have been

frustrated by what I felt was a " vague " answer to a question I had.

I know that it was only to help me get up on my own feet and figure

things out for myself, follow my own inner guidance. I've learned to

lean on myself more.

 

Does all this sound like a man who is trying to gain something,

control people, sway their opinion? Does speaking from personal

experience constitute unduly influencing anyone?

 

Imho, those who are on the attack need our prayers and good wishes.

May they find their way without needing to negate someone else to do

it.

 

Sarita

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my

way

> and I wish to make them public to you.

>

> I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly

employed

> by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

>

> " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

> is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these

I

> am sure it does occur.

>

> I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

>

> I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> based upon my experiences.

>

> I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> repeatedly.

>

> As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini

within

> and outside of me.

>

> One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

> timeline.

>

> I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money

on

> every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some

time.

>

> I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

> therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

> the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

> it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that

are

> detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot

beverage

> in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

>

> So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

> that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind

stranger

> you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism I would personally like to publicly Thank you for all the help

you have been to me since I have joined this group. They say when the

student is ready the teacher appears. That is what you are to me a

great teacher who selflessly shares your own experience. To me the

greatest wisdom comes from the experience strength and hope of

another. You have followed your path well and God has blessed

you. You have not kept your learning and experience to yourself as

others before you. You take your joy in seeing others grow and do

your best to make sure they are not hurt. For this I am grateful.

 

As I practice the Safeties you so graciously put in place, my life

changes before my eyes. Rejoice in these attempts from people who try

to condemn that which they do not understand. Know that you are well

on your way or they would not turn their head towards you. Look to

Christ and his suffering and the ridicule he faced on a daily bases

and then to the why. I know you are not perfect and this is

wonderful because I in no way shape or form am perfect and nor do I

want to be. Someday's I have a goodtime laughing at myself and crying

or learning over my spilt milk.

 

From the student to the teacher, try not to take on others problems

that cannot understand the path we chose. They do not see that there

is much joy in giving and joy in seeing another's growth. That's the

gift the beauty and wonderment they miss. Thank you for choosing to

be humble and giving so freely of yourself. Because of this I too

will learn to be humble and give freely of myself, therefore so will

others.

Love and Light

Laura Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my

way

> and I wish to make them public to you.

>

> I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly

employed

> by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

>

> " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

> is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these

I

> am sure it does occur.

>

> I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

>

> I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> based upon my experiences.

>

> I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> repeatedly.

>

> As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini

within

> and outside of me.

>

> One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

> timeline.

>

> I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money

on

> every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some

time.

>

> I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

> therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

> the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

> it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that

are

> detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot

beverage

> in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

>

> So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

> that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind

stranger

> you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chrism,,

 

I grew up with people saying mean things about me, in

life as it stands today it's NO surprise to hear of

rumours or gossip, no one is perfect (and yet we all

are!!!) and there will always be someone who wants a

piece of your pie!!! Hee hee.

 

I love you dear friend and will gladly be one of your

" followers " ha ha .

I will gladly be a part of this wonderful family of

loving individuals, no one would have to push me in

to, I'll come running and smiling wearing my white

clothes and waving a caduceus :-))

 

Hee hee so there!

 

Love Elektra x x x A willing victim!!!! :-))

 

 

________

Sent from Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.

[Guest guest]

Dear Chrism,

 

I am thankful for all that you do and for the guidance you give. I know, as

others in this group do, that you are just like us and not to be exalted. I

still can't help but admire the wisdom that you so generously share to help us

on our way. If others choose to think and say things that is not complimentary,

that's okay. This kind of thing happens all the time. Someone said " You can't

please all of the people all of the time " .... or maybe I'm paraphrasing? You

know you mean well, we know you mean well... and that's what counts. All of us

here have been drawn to you because you are the teacher who can teach us what we

seek to learn in the way that we can understand it and apply it to our lives.

However, if your ulterior motive is to start a Kundalini rock group I'm there!

:-)

Blessings.

 

Cathy.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Deare Chrism,

I felt from the beginning that you are a friend on the path, and

people believe all sorts of things, which really only shows where

they are at.

You are a good man and I am so glad I have found this friendly

and oh so helpful group.

CV

 

 

 

 

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> No matter how good your intentions are or how specific you are

about

> them, there will always be naysayers. Be they motivated by fear,

> jealousy, greed or plain old misunderstanding.

>

> When I joined this group I admit that I looked for " the catch " . I

> wondered what profit you would be making from us. I soon saw that

> this was not a cult, that you were not looking for adulation,

money

> or drones or any such thing. In this world, it is sometimes hard

to

> believe that there are selfless people in it and yet, here on this

> group are a few hundred such examples.

>

> You definately aren't looking to control us! Many a time I have

been

> frustrated by what I felt was a " vague " answer to a question I

had.

> I know that it was only to help me get up on my own feet and

figure

> things out for myself, follow my own inner guidance. I've learned

to

> lean on myself more.

>

> Does all this sound like a man who is trying to gain something,

> control people, sway their opinion? Does speaking from personal

> experience constitute unduly influencing anyone?

>

> Imho, those who are on the attack need our prayers and good

wishes.

> May they find their way without needing to negate someone else to

do

> it.

>

> Sarita

>

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my

> way

> > and I wish to make them public to you.

> >

> > I am told that other news groups have some problems with this

one

> > and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> > beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> > termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly

> employed

> > by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting

followers.

> >

> > " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this

one "

> > is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of

these

> I

> > am sure it does occur.

> >

> > I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

> >

> > I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> > understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> > awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my

assistance

> > based upon my experiences.

> >

> > I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> > student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> > made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> > repeatedly.

> >

> > As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini

> within

> > and outside of me.

> >

> > One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this

is

> > done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> > through the process in their own way. They are given their due

as

> > the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of

such

> > universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits "

no

> > such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant

past

> > timeline.

> >

> > I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything

other

> > than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> > information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> > person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost

money

> on

> > every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> > lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some

> time.

> >

> > I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group

and

> > therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini

and

> > the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon

and

> > feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes.

And

> > it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that

> are

> > detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot

> beverage

> > in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> > certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

> >

> > So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> > Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly

not

> > that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind

> stranger

> > you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i feel very sad that chrism is put in a position where he has to

state his motives and in a sense defend his methods. the man lives

in a trailer with no running water for god's sake - he has nothing -

he asks for nothing - he gives all of himself to others so they can

experience Kundalini in a safe manner unlike the hell he went thru.

 

how many of those offering K services live with out water? how many

are following directives that can not be ignored - how many have to

put off their needs for the sake of helping others? i don' t imagine

that there are many like this man -

 

i am here in ca to find a way to support his work so that he does not

have to live nearly homeless- i have spent the last three months with

the man nearly daily and i may not be the best judge of character

however, i have lived a good long time and i know a good honorable

man when i meet one- he has shown me unconditional love, he has taken

me under his wing - has helped me move- find a place and has only

been supportive of my efforts- and he has never once asked anything

of me - he never asked me to come out here - yet he has welcomed me -

 

i would do anything for chrism - yet what i wish more than anything

for him is for him to have a place where he can live in a more

comfortable manner and enjoy some of lifes amenities that we all take

for granted- he does not like living this way - yet he has to follow

his directives and the work takes too much time to work a regular

job - he has been directed not to work outside of the K work - kind

of a catch 22 -

 

and i would like him to be able to do the K work without worrying or

being concerned about making a living - the work is too important to

be disrupted by daily needs

 

so i am here to find a way to offer him a bit more - he does not need

alot - he will not ask for anything - yet he gives everything - the

seminars, the books, any items we promote all will offer to him an

opporunity to live in this western society in a decent manner while

working his directive of promoting a safe Kundalini experince.

 

the pressure from others will continue as chrism further expands his

teachings/K work - there will be many who criticize, many who try to

thwart his efforts, many will see him as a threat to their money

making K work - i will be right beside him supporting all that he

does and working hard to find ways to get him running water and a

decent living space-

 

there is a saying " you can't get a good man down " and chrism - our

dear dear chrism is a hell of a good man!

 

chrism's student and friend

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my

way

> and I wish to make them public to you.

>

> I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly

employed

> by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

>

> " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

> is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these

I

> am sure it does occur.

>

> I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

>

> I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> based upon my experiences.

>

> I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> repeatedly.

>

> As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini

within

> and outside of me.

>

> One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

> timeline.

>

> I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money

on

> every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some

time.

>

> I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

> therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

> the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

> it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that

are

> detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot

beverage

> in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

>

> So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

> that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind

stranger

> you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

To my dear friend and brother chrism.

 

I will not comment on the aspersions cast nor judgmental perceptions

as they do not resonate. I will only say that (i believe) fear is the

cloak that narrows ones perspectives and i offer love towards these

people attitudes as it is only via a dualistic universe that we may

realize truth.

 

With love for all you provide so selflessly and love for those who

reach out towards it - irrelevant of whether they do so within a

consciously supportive role or not...

 

glen.

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my way

> and I wish to make them public to you.

>

> I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly employed

> by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

>

> " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

> is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these I

> am sure it does occur.

>

> I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

>

> I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> based upon my experiences.

>

> I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> repeatedly.

>

> As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini within

> and outside of me.

>

> One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

> timeline.

>

> I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money on

> every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some time.

>

> I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

> therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

> the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

> it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that are

> detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot beverage

> in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

>

> So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

> that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind stranger

> you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chrism

 

I would like to personally thank you for the service you provide here

.. I like many have posted here , feel no pressure and from your

guidance have my discernments at the highest level ever . There is

negativity from some but with balance you know that there is also

positivity . For every one person who spews negativity I am sure there

are many listening and soaking in the positivity from your site and

radio shows provided .

I am sure this will not bring you down . We are a group here who

support one another shoulder to shoulder . Blessings my friend .

 

Blessings

Chris_H

[Guest guest]

I do not post this for sympathy or to render a judgment. I post it

to let you know that I find open disclosure to be useful and honest.

Even of the negative varieties.

 

When people know where a person is coming from, even while under

criticisms, they can perhaps take some solace that this person is

being held to the highest standards when it comes to giving and

teaching. Such pressures can serve to keep one inside of ones

integrity and helps others to do the same. It is a positive learning

that is gifted through these ways.

 

Whether or not the feelings expressed by detractors or supporters

are justified isn't really the point. We all have the right to our

feelings and impressions and in so exercising that right we continue

along a path of continuous discernment of ourselves and the aspects

of ourselves brought into the light that shines from the Kundalini.

Sometimes this light can highlight issues and attitudes we can bring

into balance with the higher and lighter octaves of the divine

expression offered by the Kundalini. -

[Guest guest]

I have much to learn...

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I do not post this for sympathy or to render a judgment. I post it

> to let you know that I find open disclosure to be useful and

honest.

> Even of the negative varieties.

>

> When people know where a person is coming from, even while under

> criticisms, they can perhaps take some solace that this person is

> being held to the highest standards when it comes to giving and

> teaching. Such pressures can serve to keep one inside of ones

> integrity and helps others to do the same. It is a positive

learning

> that is gifted through these ways.

>

> Whether or not the feelings expressed by detractors or supporters

> are justified isn't really the point. We all have the right to our

> feelings and impressions and in so exercising that right we

continue

> along a path of continuous discernment of ourselves and the aspects

> of ourselves brought into the light that shines from the Kundalini.

> Sometimes this light can highlight issues and attitudes we can

bring

> into balance with the higher and lighter octaves of the divine

> expression offered by the Kundalini. -

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

 

Being in the public eye constantly exposes one to all sorts of

negative projections: envy, fear, and competitive feelings just to

name a few. Uncritical, idolatric worship is the flip side of the

coin. People who have unreasonable expectations from their teachers

will just as easily swing to resentment and hatred when they feel they

have been let down. This is a product of people struggling with their

own demons.

 

Just keep doing what you have always done, and be who you have always

been. You know you can count on a lot of people who love and respect

you here.

 

A big hug,

 

Sel

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my way

> and I wish to make them public to you.

>

> I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly employed

> by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

>

> " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this one "

> is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of these I

> am sure it does occur.

>

> I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

>

> I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> based upon my experiences.

>

> I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> repeatedly.

>

> As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini within

> and outside of me.

>

> One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant past

> timeline.

>

> I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money on

> every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some time.

>

> I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group and

> therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini and

> the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes. And

> it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that are

> detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot beverage

> in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

>

> So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly not

> that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind stranger

> you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Chrism's choice and voice regarding not charging money for

Kundalini knowledge and Shaktipat will be a bee in many bonnets! That

Light alone will attract attack, and attempts to discredit him. Don't

be shocked by it... The knowledge base is being built and all those

who are called to it will find it available, without charge. That's

what is important. Let the bees buzz! After all has been

through, I doubt a few bee stings is going to bother him! And I know

how much he likes bees. =]

 

Love, dhyana

 

 

, " "

. wrote:

>

> the pressure from others will continue as chrism further expands his

teachings/K work - there will be many who criticize, many who try to

thwart his efforts, many will see him as a threat to their money

making K work

[Guest guest]

I agree with you gleno.

 

Love,

Linda

 

, " gleno "

<gleno wrote:

>

> To my dear friend and brother chrism.

>

> I will not comment on the aspersions cast nor judgmental perceptions

> as they do not resonate. I will only say that (i believe) fear is

the

> cloak that narrows ones perspectives and i offer love towards these

> people attitudes as it is only via a dualistic universe that we may

> realize truth.

>

> With love for all you provide so selflessly and love for those who

> reach out towards it - irrelevant of whether they do so within a

> consciously supportive role or not...

>

> glen.

>

>

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my

way

> > and I wish to make them public to you.

> >

> > I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> > and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> > beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> > termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly

employed

> > by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

> >

> > " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this

one "

> > is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of

these I

> > am sure it does occur.

> >

> > I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

> >

> > I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> > understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> > awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> > based upon my experiences.

> >

> > I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> > student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> > made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> > repeatedly.

> >

> > As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini

within

> > and outside of me.

> >

> > One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> > done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> > through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> > the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> > universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> > such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant

past

> > timeline.

> >

> > I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> > than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> > information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> > person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money

on

> > every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> > lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some

time.

> >

> > I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group

and

> > therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini

and

> > the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> > feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes.

And

> > it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that

are

> > detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot

beverage

> > in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> > certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

> >

> > So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> > Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly

not

> > that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind

stranger

> > you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

IMHO, I've noticed that when an individual is not very nice, some will

spread gossip about them, and when an individual will try their

darnest to be honest or mind their own business, you will always find

someone who will say something negative about that individual(the

goody two shoes what do they have in their closet, etc).....I think we

have all met or know persons who will say something uncalled words or

negative comments about someone who is really a good person...I know I

have met persons like that and this has happened to me!

 

It just goes to show you cannot please everyone...someone is going to

look for the negative in everything because thats who they are...and

we need to feel sorry for those ones because they have issues with

themselves.....I just send them love and healing light so maybe they

can heal themselves to feel positive about themselves someday...

 

I want to publicly say to you how much I appreciate what you are doing

for us, helping us grow to enlightment...and forgo your own

interests...and from the bottom of my heart I thank you! You are doing

all of us who are here on our own accord a great service and in turn

we then we can go out into our individual worlds and pass in forward

to others who are interested in our path of enlightenment and making

that Divine connection...

You chrism are very blessed and thank you for letting us be a part of

your world...we can only hope to be as enlightened as you have become

wiwithout all the unpleasant stuff you had to experience because you

dididn't have a chrism to guide you along the way!

 

Love, Light and Blessings to you!

I am here to help in anyway I can.

Genevieve

[Guest guest]

It hurts me deeply to hear about chrism's living condition. I sort of

suspected they were not the greatest, but didn't realized they were

that bad. I will be more deligent at sending chrism a tithe offering,

as often as I can.

 

Love & blessings,

Linda

 

 

, " "

. wrote:

>

> i feel very sad that chrism is put in a position where he has to

> state his motives and in a sense defend his methods. the man lives

> in a trailer with no running water for god's sake - he has nothing -

 

> he asks for nothing - he gives all of himself to others so they can

> experience Kundalini in a safe manner unlike the hell he went

thru.

>

> how many of those offering K services live with out water? how

many

> are following directives that can not be ignored - how many have to

> put off their needs for the sake of helping others? i don' t

imagine

> that there are many like this man -

>

> i am here in ca to find a way to support his work so that he does

not

> have to live nearly homeless- i have spent the last three months

with

> the man nearly daily and i may not be the best judge of character

> however, i have lived a good long time and i know a good honorable

> man when i meet one- he has shown me unconditional love, he has

taken

> me under his wing - has helped me move- find a place and has only

> been supportive of my efforts- and he has never once asked anything

> of me - he never asked me to come out here - yet he has welcomed

me -

>

> i would do anything for chrism - yet what i wish more than anything

> for him is for him to have a place where he can live in a more

> comfortable manner and enjoy some of lifes amenities that we all

take

> for granted- he does not like living this way - yet he has to

follow

> his directives and the work takes too much time to work a regular

> job - he has been directed not to work outside of the K work - kind

> of a catch 22 -

>

> and i would like him to be able to do the K work without worrying

or

> being concerned about making a living - the work is too important

to

> be disrupted by daily needs

>

> so i am here to find a way to offer him a bit more - he does not

need

> alot - he will not ask for anything - yet he gives everything - the

> seminars, the books, any items we promote all will offer to him an

> opporunity to live in this western society in a decent manner while

> working his directive of promoting a safe Kundalini experince.

>

> the pressure from others will continue as chrism further expands

his

> teachings/K work - there will be many who criticize, many who try

to

> thwart his efforts, many will see him as a threat to their money

> making K work - i will be right beside him supporting all that he

> does and working hard to find ways to get him running water and a

> decent living space-

>

> there is a saying " you can't get a good man down " and chrism -

our

> dear dear chrism is a hell of a good man!

>

> chrism's student and friend

>

>

>

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > I have been receiving e-mails that cast some hard aspersions my

> way

> > and I wish to make them public to you.

> >

> > I am told that other news groups have some problems with this one

> > and that I use tricky words to sway or in some way influence

> > beginners and others who come seeking assistance. These are

> > termed " psychological/verbal techniques " and are supposedly

> employed

> > by me to...I guess...form an agenda towards collecting followers.

> >

> > " Complaints have been expressed on other newsgroups about this

one "

> > is another interesting observation, though I am not aware of

these

> I

> > am sure it does occur.

> >

> > I have not stated it this way before so let me be clear.

> >

> > I have no agenda with any of you other than assisting in the

> > understanding of the Kundalini process that is waiting to be

> > awakened or is already awakened within you. I offer my assistance

> > based upon my experiences.

> >

> > I am not a perfect teacher. This stems from not being a perfect

> > student. When the Kundalini came to me I did everything wrong. I

> > made every mistake in the book so to say and I did some of them

> > repeatedly.

> >

> > As far as my writings they all come from me and the Kundalini

> within

> > and outside of me.

> >

> > One complaint was of my collecting of others writings and this is

> > done so that you can gain the perspective of other people going

> > through the process in their own way. They are given their due as

> > the unique writings of those authors. When the subject is of such

> > universal use though as in the " micro and macro cosmic orbits " no

> > such designation occurs as the source is far into the distant

past

> > timeline.

> >

> > I put on seminars from time to time. I do not sell anything other

> > than my information as one does in a book. I give most of my

> > information away free of charge but some enjoy a personal and in

> > person experience and I am happy to provide it. I have lost money

> on

> > every single one I have given! lol. I do not feel like it is a

> > lucrative living. This next one will be the first in quite some

> time.

> >

> > I am accused of not practicing what I preach here in the group

and

> > therefore in life. My life changed radically with the Kundalini

and

> > the qualities expressed here do reflect those that I act upon and

> > feel and relate towards others. I can still be angry sometimes.

And

> > it is always an option to feel any of the range of emotions that

> are

> > detrimental to the Kundalini. For example - I spilled a hot

> beverage

> > in the vehicle I was driving the other day, thankfully missing

> > certain " sensitive areas " lol. but I did say an expletive!

> >

> > So please have very little expectation of a " perfect guru " or a

> > Saint or of an embodiment of an exalted figure as I am clearly

not

> > that. I am just me. A fellow traveler, a friend, and a kind

> stranger

> > you meet on your journey. - blessings all - chrism

> >

>

[Guest guest]

'No worries Chrism'! It is all as it should be right? Any actions

or 'critichrisms' all lead us to greater lessons in love and

forgiveness. We are here to defend you, but there is no need!

 

They can try their best to discredit or anger you, but they won't

succeed. (Just don't tell them about pouring hot coffee on you, they

wouldn't think of that.)

 

love bradly

[Guest guest]

Critichrisms! LMAO I love it Brad!

 

Sarita

 

, " curball2002 "

<curball2002 wrote:

>

> 'No worries Chrism'! It is all as it should be right? Any actions

> or 'critichrisms' all lead us to greater lessons in love and

> forgiveness. We are here to defend you, but there is no need!

>

> They can try their best to discredit or anger you, but they won't

> succeed. (Just don't tell them about pouring hot coffee on you, they

> wouldn't think of that.)

>

> love bradly

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! I didn't even notice that when I read Bradly's post. That is so

funny. I love it too Bradly. Hey gleno, is that another word for our

online dictionary?

 

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

> Critichrisms! LMAO I love it Brad!

>

> Sarita

>

> , " curball2002 "

> <curball2002@> wrote:

> >

> > 'No worries Chrism'! It is all as it should be right? Any actions

> > or 'critichrisms' all lead us to greater lessons in love and

> > forgiveness. We are here to defend you, but there is no need!

> >

> > They can try their best to discredit or anger you, but they won't

> > succeed. (Just don't tell them about pouring hot coffee on you,

they

> > wouldn't think of that.)

> >

> > love bradly

> >

>

[Guest guest]

please know that i did not post my words to gain sympathy for chrism-

he needs none - i only wanted to emphasize that there is no personal

gain for him - nor has there been -

and i agree with you chrism, we learn from all we encounter. i find

lessons for me in all that is discussed here - perhaps i read them

differently than others but it is a solo individual path so we draw

what we need -

so thank you for sharing so openly with the group - an open book is

easier to read than a closed one and you read like an old well read

open book - so when's the movie coming out?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> I do not post this for sympathy or to render a judgment. I post it

> to let you know that I find open disclosure to be useful and

honest.

> Even of the negative varieties.

>

> When people know where a person is coming from, even while under

> criticisms, they can perhaps take some solace that this person is

> being held to the highest standards when it comes to giving and

> teaching. Such pressures can serve to keep one inside of ones

> integrity and helps others to do the same. It is a positive

learning

> that is gifted through these ways.

>

> Whether or not the feelings expressed by detractors or supporters

> are justified isn't really the point. We all have the right to our

> feelings and impressions and in so exercising that right we

continue

> along a path of continuous discernment of ourselves and the aspects

> of ourselves brought into the light that shines from the Kundalini.

> Sometimes this light can highlight issues and attitudes we can

bring

> into balance with the higher and lighter octaves of the divine

> expression offered by the Kundalini. -

>