Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

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Dear Sateesh,

Please recheck your ephemeries. Sa enters 0 deg Aries exactly on 18 Apr 1998

at 05:30 AM IST.that time Ju was transiting 23 Aq 05. Ju enters Pi exactly on 26

May 1998 0 deg 00 min at 05:30 AM.

When you consider the natal position of Ju as 16 Cp 29 then Ju will transit 16

Pi 29 on 29 Mar 1999. Therefore Ju delay ends either on 26 May 1998 or on 29 Mar

1999.This longer duration is due to its retrogression . Please confirm.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

 

No, I agree with your observation. Saturn into Aries, immediately followed by

Jupiter into 7th House.

 

However, I think Ash had also mentioned Jupiter in Cancer (not Pisces) for end

of Jupiter delay - perhaps he can shed more light as to why the delay was not

over when Jupiter entered Pisces?

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

-

ramesh mishra

 

Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:25 AM

Re: Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

Dear Sateesh,

Is there anything written wrong by me ? Once you consider the delay of Ju alone

then its delay will be over when Ju completes its two rounds of zodiac.

But in this case delay is due to Sa and Ju both so I considered accumulated

delay period. First delay was over by Sa.When the delay was over then that time

Ju was transiting in Aq. Ju does not aspect either 7th house or its lord.When Ju

transits over its 7th house then delay of Ju ends and this happens sometime in

May 1998. Am I wrong, if so you may corrrect me. You are very senior member of

this list and you have more experience in this field. Your suggestions and

guidance is welcome.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

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Dear Ramesh,

 

When I said " immediately " it was meant relatively, i.e. " very shortly after " .

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

-

ramesh mishra

 

Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:12 AM

Re: Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

 

Dear Sateesh,

Please recheck your ephemeries. Sa enters 0 deg Aries exactly on 18 Apr 1998 at

05:30 AM IST.that time Ju was transiting 23 Aq 05. Ju enters Pi exactly on 26

May 1998 0 deg 00 min at 05:30 AM.

When you consider the natal position of Ju as 16 Cp 29 then Ju will transit 16

Pi 29 on 29 Mar 1999. Therefore Ju delay ends either on 26 May 1998 or on 29 Mar

1999.This longer duration is due to its retrogression . Please confirm.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

 

No, I agree with your observation. Saturn into Aries, immediately followed by

Jupiter into 7th House.

 

However, I think Ash had also mentioned Jupiter in Cancer (not Pisces) for end

of Jupiter delay - perhaps he can shed more light as to why the delay was not

over when Jupiter entered Pisces?

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

-

ramesh mishra

 

Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:25 AM

Re: Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

Dear Sateesh,

Is there anything written wrong by me ? Once you consider the delay of Ju alone

then its delay will be over when Ju completes its two rounds of zodiac.

But in this case delay is due to Sa and Ju both so I considered accumulated

delay period. First delay was over by Sa.When the delay was over then that time

Ju was transiting in Aq. Ju does not aspect either 7th house or its lord.When Ju

transits over its 7th house then delay of Ju ends and this happens sometime in

May 1998. Am I wrong, if so you may corrrect me. You are very senior member of

this list and you have more experience in this field. Your suggestions and

guidance is welcome.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

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Dear Ramesh,

 

I make it 10th April 1998 for Saturn, and 20th May 1998 for Jupiter.

 

Are you sure you used KAS ayanamsa (seems like you used Lahiri by mistake)?

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

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ramesh mishra

 

Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:12 AM

Re: Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

 

Dear Sateesh,

Please recheck your ephemeries. Sa enters 0 deg Aries exactly on 18 Apr 1998 at

05:30 AM IST.that time Ju was transiting 23 Aq 05. Ju enters Pi exactly on 26

May 1998 0 deg 00 min at 05:30 AM.

When you consider the natal position of Ju as 16 Cp 29 then Ju will transit 16

Pi 29 on 29 Mar 1999. Therefore Ju delay ends either on 26 May 1998 or on 29 Mar

1999.This longer duration is due to its retrogression . Please confirm.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote:

Dear Ramesh,

 

No, I agree with your observation. Saturn into Aries, immediately followed by

Jupiter into 7th House.

 

However, I think Ash had also mentioned Jupiter in Cancer (not Pisces) for end

of Jupiter delay - perhaps he can shed more light as to why the delay was not

over when Jupiter entered Pisces?

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

-

ramesh mishra

 

Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:25 AM

Re: Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

Dear Sateesh,

Is there anything written wrong by me ? Once you consider the delay of Ju alone

then its delay will be over when Ju completes its two rounds of zodiac.

But in this case delay is due to Sa and Ju both so I considered accumulated

delay period. First delay was over by Sa.When the delay was over then that time

Ju was transiting in Aq. Ju does not aspect either 7th house or its lord.When Ju

transits over its 7th house then delay of Ju ends and this happens sometime in

May 1998. Am I wrong, if so you may corrrect me. You are very senior member of

this list and you have more experience in this field. Your suggestions and

guidance is welcome.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

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This may be typo.I meant Dear NS and not Bala.

Ramesh Mishra

, " Sateesh Batas "

<makaras wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> I was wondering this too :-) . Hopefully someone can shed light.

>

> P.S. Did you mean " Dear NS " as opposed to " Dear Bala " ?

>

> Cheers - Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

> -

> ramesh mishra

>

> Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:45 AM

> Re: Re: Charts Invited for

Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

>

>

> Dear Bala,

> Please clear my doubt regarding end of Ju delay in this chart.You

said Ju delay will be over when Ju enters Cp sign where natal Ju is

situated.

> In this chart there is delay of Sa and Ju both. The delay caused by

Sa will be over when Sa enter 0 deg Aries.This happens in Apr'98.This

time Ju transits over Aq and it enters Pi during May'98. Pi is

native's 7th house.Therefore delay by both Sa and Ju is over during

May 1998.

> If it is correct then how do you say about Cp sign for end of delay

by Jup ?It has confused me. Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> nirvana_seeker3 <nirvana_seeker3 wrote:

> Sateesh, currently you are in ra/ma period, in 3rd sector of Mars

> antra. This period ends on 6th Oct. Interestingly, in PDF, Mercury

> and Mars period is from 11th Oct till 16th. Although your dasha

> would have changed by then but if we go with +/- 13days rule, you

> could perhaps get a contract during this period (11th Oct till 16th

> Oct). Now, this is just my opinion, I could be totally wrong in

> understanding these rules.

>

> Please let us know if you get contract work during this period.

>

> NS

>

> , " nirvana_seeker3 "

> <nirvana_seeker3@> wrote:

> >

> > Your Jupiter's delay will get over when it enters Capricorn (sign

> > where your natal Jupiter is placed).

> >

> > Still have some more years of bachelorhood ahead of you.

> >

> > NS

> >

> > , " Sateesh Batas "

> > <makaras@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks - good memory - I have those mails from Nirvana Seeker

in

> my

> > Outlook Express - you are right - NS directed me to see a post

> > Manoshi had sent to Harjeet.

> > >

> > > So I guess my Jupiter delay got over when Jupiter reached

Cancer -

>

> > as from Cancer, Jupiter dually aspected both 7th Lord (NT Jupiter

> in

> > 5th) and 7th House (Pisces)! Jupiter I think entered Cancer

around

> > 1st July 2002 - however, as I was in Venus Antra, it could not

give

> > marriage - then Sun Antra started in March 2003.

> > >

> > > Manoshi's reply to Harjeet, message #9837

> > >

> > > >>Jupiter delay ends when it goes over or aspects 7th house or

> 7th

> > lord.<<

> > >

> > > Best - Sateesh.

> > >

> > > ========

> > >

> > > -

> > > devibhakt

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:20 PM

> > > Re: Charts Invited for

Study--

> > Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> > >

> > >

> > > Manoshi, Sateesh,

> > >

> > > Sateesh's chart was recently analysed by NS. Interestingly,

> he/she

> > > used a rule (jupiter's delay) mentioned by Manoshi. Check

> messages

> > > from 11530 onwards.

> > >

> > > DB

> > >

> > > , " Sateesh

Batas "

> > > <makaras@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoshi,

> > > >

> > > > See CAPS

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Manoshi Chatterjee

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:07 AM

> > > > Re: Charts Invited for

> Study--

> > > Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi: how was your venus period jobwise? Is it possible

> thnat

> > > > there was no job satisfaction though you earned money and

were

> > > > employed? Did you also change job in MArs antra recently?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > EXCELLENT IN VENUS #1 (ALTHOUGH VERY STRESSFUL) - I GOT

HIGHEST

> > PAY

> > > OF LIFE, AND ALSO GOT AN AWARD FOR MY EFFORTS. VENUS #2 WAS

EVEN

> > > BETTER, AS I GOT PROMOTED EFFECTIVELY, AND PAID EVEN MORE.

> > > >

> > > > HOWEVER, I LOST THE JOB (IN AIRLINES) DUE TO 9/11 INCIDENT -

> AND

> > > REMAINDER OF VENUS #2 AND VENUS #3 WAS UNEMPLOYED.

> > > >

> > > > MARS ANTRA HAS NOT SEEN ANY EMPLOYMENT YET (LEFT LAST JOB

> DURING

> > > MOON ANTRA).

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi: 1st job was in SD to Mars planet, which is Jupiter.

(I

> > had

> > > > thought once but then thought you were too young to work.

> > > >

> > > > YES - GOOD POINT ABOUT JUPITER SD TO MARS - THEREFORE, I MAY

> FIND

> > > EMPLOYMENT IN JUP-JUP MD-AD (AFTER RAHU-MARS ENDS).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi: hmm...interesting (Saturn # 3 part). I cannot find

any

> > > > reason with my limited knowledge now. Transit points for

> sat+Jup

> > > was

> > > > good always durng this antra so why did 3rd sector give

change

> > for

> > > > better...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PERHAPS DUE TO SATURN BEING SD TO MERCURY (IN NAVAMSA), AS

> > MERCURY

> > > HAS HIGHEST POINT FOR 6TH HOUSE?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi: Saturn is gives contract jobs. 10th lord Mercury is

> with

> > > > Saturn in navamsa, also from Sun, 10th house lord is Saturn.

> Yes.

> > > > But what is your line of business? I mean what do you work as

> in

> > > > Airlines?

> > > >

> > > > MOSTLY AS ANALYST - FIRST FINANCE ANALYST/ACCOUNTS, THEN

> SYSTEMS

> > > ANALYST, THEN BUSINESS ANALYST.

> > > >

> > > > I USED TO BE MOSTLY IN FINANCE/ACCOUNTING FROM SAY SATURN

> ANTRA,

> > > MERCURY ANTRA, KETU ANTRA.

> > > >

> > > > THEN DURING VENUS I GOT A LUCKY BREAK IN VENUS #1 AND CAME

BACK

> > TO

> > > AIRLINES IN MORE OF A SYSTEMS/I.T. ROLE.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best - Sateesh.

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Dear Sateesh,

Yes,I took lahiri ayanamsa to check up transit of planets

only.However there is a diff. of one week almost and this much is

tolerable.For KAY I have to do the calculations which consume

time.That is why I take the help of readymade Lahiri ayanamsa which

is published by ASTRO-RESEARCH BUREAU,Kolkatta, India.

It means you agree delay of Ju was over on 20 May 1998 during

Ra/Me.In earlier mail also I quoted same MD/AD.Then how Cn and Cp

sign is coming during discussion, I could not follow this ? Anyhow

thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

, " Sateesh Batas "

<makaras wrote:

>

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> I make it 10th April 1998 for Saturn, and 20th May 1998 for

Jupiter.

>

> Are you sure you used KAS ayanamsa (seems like you used Lahiri by

mistake)?

>

> Cheers - Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

> -

> ramesh mishra

>

> Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:12 AM

> Re: Re: Charts Invited for

Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

>

>

> Dear Sateesh,

> Please recheck your ephemeries. Sa enters 0 deg Aries exactly on 18

Apr 1998 at 05:30 AM IST.that time Ju was transiting 23 Aq 05. Ju

enters Pi exactly on 26 May 1998 0 deg 00 min at 05:30 AM.

> When you consider the natal position of Ju as 16 Cp 29 then Ju will

transit 16 Pi 29 on 29 Mar 1999. Therefore Ju delay ends either on 26

May 1998 or on 29 Mar 1999.This longer duration is due to its

retrogression . Please confirm.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

> Sateesh Batas <makaras wrote:

> Dear Ramesh,

>

> No, I agree with your observation. Saturn into Aries, immediately

followed by Jupiter into 7th House.

>

> However, I think Ash had also mentioned Jupiter in Cancer (not

Pisces) for end of Jupiter delay - perhaps he can shed more light as

to why the delay was not over when Jupiter entered Pisces?

>

> Cheers - Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

> -

> ramesh mishra

>

> Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:25 AM

> Re: Re: Charts Invited for

Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

>

> Dear Sateesh,

> Is there anything written wrong by me ? Once you consider the delay

of Ju alone then its delay will be over when Ju completes its two

rounds of zodiac.

> But in this case delay is due to Sa and Ju both so I considered

accumulated delay period. First delay was over by Sa.When the delay

was over then that time Ju was transiting in Aq. Ju does not aspect

either 7th house or its lord.When Ju transits over its 7th house then

delay of Ju ends and this happens sometime in May 1998. Am I wrong,

if so you may corrrect me. You are very senior member of this list

and you have more experience in this field. Your suggestions and

guidance is welcome.

> Thanks and regards.

> Ramesh Mishra

>

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Dear Ramesh,

 

The KAS worksheet itself can be used to find the exact KAS value changes, if one

uses Transit page.

 

Also Jagannath Hora Lite a.k.a. JHL (freeware) is available on web I think,

which can be tailored to give KAS or any ayanamsa - that might be handy for you

to get instant KAS values without needing to do manual calcs.

 

If you do decide to download it, I can help you set it up for KAS value.

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:52 PM

Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

 

Dear Sateesh,

Yes,I took lahiri ayanamsa to check up transit of planets

only.However there is a diff. of one week almost and this much is

tolerable.For KAY I have to do the calculations which consume

time.That is why I take the help of readymade Lahiri ayanamsa which

is published by ASTRO-RESEARCH BUREAU,Kolkatta, India.

It means you agree delay of Ju was over on 20 May 1998 during

Ra/Me.In earlier mail also I quoted same MD/AD.Then how Cn and Cp

sign is coming during discussion, I could not follow this ? Anyhow

thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

 

 

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Dear Manoshi,

 

Here's a thought -

 

Mars' points for 10th, 11th, 12th (Authority, Income, Expenses) are -

 

14, 21, 8

 

10th is less than 11th - so less Effort required for Income - and 12th is less

than either 10th or 11th - so less Expenses also.

 

 

Whereas for Moon antra - I worked for at least some of it -

 

Moon's points for 10th, 11th, 12th are -

 

21, 21, 2

 

So Effort is required for Income, although both are equal - and Expenses again

lower than either 10th or 11th - but important point is Moon's Effort and Income

are equal, whereas Mars' is less Effort required for Income.

 

Sateesh.

 

========

 

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:33 PM

Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

 

" MARS ANTRA HAS NOT SEEN ANY EMPLOYMENT YET (LEFT LAST JOB DURING

MOON ANTRA) " .

 

you mean to say you are unemployed at present?

 

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Dear Members,

Does more points in 12th in an antra means more expense ?

or it can be anything regarding 12th house..

say if 12th house has more points along with 9th in antra can we say

the person might be more spiritual during that antra ? and expense

might not be as much as the points denote for the 12th house?

i mean 12th house can be taken as B for spirituality ??

i hope my question is not ambigious.

thanks/regards

harjeet

 

, " Sateesh Batas "

<makaras wrote:

>

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> Here's a thought -

>

> Mars' points for 10th, 11th, 12th (Authority, Income, Expenses) are -

>

> 14, 21, 8

>

> 10th is less than 11th - so less Effort required for Income - and

12th is less than either 10th or 11th - so less Expenses also.

>

>

> Whereas for Moon antra - I worked for at least some of it -

>

> Moon's points for 10th, 11th, 12th are -

>

> 21, 21, 2

>

> So Effort is required for Income, although both are equal - and

Expenses again lower than either 10th or 11th - but important point is

Moon's Effort and Income are equal, whereas Mars' is less Effort

required for Income.

>

> Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

> -

> Manoshi Chatterjee

>

> Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:33 PM

> Re: Charts Invited for

Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

>

>

> " MARS ANTRA HAS NOT SEEN ANY EMPLOYMENT YET (LEFT LAST JOB DURING

> MOON ANTRA) " .

>

> you mean to say you are unemployed at present?

>

> --Manoshi

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Dear Harjeet,

 

I think the element SPECIFICALLY related to " Expense " needs to be seen

in relation to how many points " 11th House has compared to 12th House " .

 

Let me give made-up examples -

 

Say 11th House has 20 points, and 12th House has 19 points - both houses

are " high " , i.e. over 12 points each - but still, there is more Income

than Expense (even if only just) - so Native will have at very end of

Antra more Income than Debts.

 

 

 

Similarly, let's say 11th House has 9 points, and 12th House has 7

points - both houses are " low " , i.e. less than 12 points each - but

although Native may not earn much (as 11th House points are less than 12

points), he will still have more Income than Expense - as 12th House has

less points than 11th House.

 

 

 

As for the other element of your question - yes, certainly - say 12th

House is high (e.g. 18 points), and also 7th House is high too (e.g. 16

points) - then Native may travel or get married, etc.

 

So yes, more points in 12th will generally mean more of all elements

concerning 12th House - but needs to be assessed in relation to other

Houses - e.g. 12th + 11th Houses to see Expenses, and 12th + 7th Houses

to see Travel, or 12th + 9th Houses to see Spiritual I guess.

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

 

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> Does more points in 12th in an antra means more expense ?

> or it can be anything regarding 12th house..

> say if 12th house has more points along with 9th in antra can we say

> the person might be more spiritual during that antra ? and expense

> might not be as much as the points denote for the 12th house?

> i mean 12th house can be taken as B for spirituality ??

> i hope my question is not ambigious.

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> , " Sateesh Batas "

> makaras@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoshi,

> >

> > Here's a thought -

> >

> > Mars' points for 10th, 11th, 12th (Authority, Income, Expenses) are

-

> >

> > 14, 21, 8

> >

> > 10th is less than 11th - so less Effort required for Income - and

> 12th is less than either 10th or 11th - so less Expenses also.

> >

> >

> > Whereas for Moon antra - I worked for at least some of it -

> >

> > Moon's points for 10th, 11th, 12th are -

> >

> > 21, 21, 2

> >

> > So Effort is required for Income, although both are equal - and

> Expenses again lower than either 10th or 11th - but important point is

> Moon's Effort and Income are equal, whereas Mars' is less Effort

> required for Income.

> >

> > Sateesh.

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:33 PM

> > Re: Charts Invited for

> Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> >

> >

> > " MARS ANTRA HAS NOT SEEN ANY EMPLOYMENT YET (LEFT LAST JOB DURING

> > MOON ANTRA) " .

> >

> > you mean to say you are unemployed at present?

> >

> > --Manoshi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sateesh,

 

Have you looked at your Mars? You are so Martian Cool down a

little...

 

For such strong Mars people it's hard to work under someone. Try to

adjust to the circumstances (difficult eh?) Had you not left your

job, you would have had it still right? Anyways, had I seen the

chart before, I would have predicted a job change in Mars antra. 6th

house and 11th house points are high, but 2nd house and 1st house is

low, still, a job change (getting a new job) was quite sure. Don't

know why it did not happen...May be Krushna ji will be able to

answer if he looks at your chart.

 

--Manoshi

 

 

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> Does more points in 12th in an antra means more expense ?

> or it can be anything regarding 12th house..

> say if 12th house has more points along with 9th in antra can we

say

> the person might be more spiritual during that antra ? and expense

> might not be as much as the points denote for the 12th house?

> i mean 12th house can be taken as B for spirituality ??

> i hope my question is not ambigious.

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> , " Sateesh Batas "

> <makaras@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoshi,

> >

> > Here's a thought -

> >

> > Mars' points for 10th, 11th, 12th (Authority, Income, Expenses)

are -

> >

> > 14, 21, 8

> >

> > 10th is less than 11th - so less Effort required for Income - and

> 12th is less than either 10th or 11th - so less Expenses also.

> >

> >

> > Whereas for Moon antra - I worked for at least some of it -

> >

> > Moon's points for 10th, 11th, 12th are -

> >

> > 21, 21, 2

> >

> > So Effort is required for Income, although both are equal - and

> Expenses again lower than either 10th or 11th - but important

point is

> Moon's Effort and Income are equal, whereas Mars' is less Effort

> required for Income.

> >

> > Sateesh.

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > Manoshi Chatterjee

> >

> > Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:33 PM

> > Re: Charts Invited for

> Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> >

> >

> > " MARS ANTRA HAS NOT SEEN ANY EMPLOYMENT YET (LEFT LAST JOB

DURING

> > MOON ANTRA) " .

> >

> > you mean to say you are unemployed at present?

> >

> > --Manoshi

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Dear Manoshi,

 

Yes, I would have had the job - they were asking me to stay on for unlimited

time, but not willing to give requested pay/benefits - so I decided to take an

extended holiday, and resign :-) .

 

An extra note - bank balance was higher throughout Moon than in Mars - take a

peek at 2nd House points for Moon, then see 2nd House points for Mars - quite a

contrast.

 

Best - Sateesh.

 

========

 

 

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Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:43 AM

Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

 

Dear Sateesh,

 

Have you looked at your Mars? You are so Martian Cool down a

little...

 

For such strong Mars people it's hard to work under someone. Try to

adjust to the circumstances (difficult eh?) Had you not left your

job, you would have had it still right? Anyways, had I seen the

chart before, I would have predicted a job change in Mars antra. 6th

house and 11th house points are high, but 2nd house and 1st house is

low, still, a job change (getting a new job) was quite sure. Don't

know why it did not happen...May be Krushna ji will be able to

answer if he looks at your chart.

 

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thanks very much Sateesh

that was very informative.

regards

Harjeet

 

, " sateeshbatas "

<makaras wrote:

>

>

> Dear Harjeet,

>

> I think the element SPECIFICALLY related to " Expense " needs to be seen

> in relation to how many points " 11th House has compared to 12th House " .

>

> Let me give made-up examples -

>

> Say 11th House has 20 points, and 12th House has 19 points - both houses

> are " high " , i.e. over 12 points each - but still, there is more Income

> than Expense (even if only just) - so Native will have at very end of

> Antra more Income than Debts.

>

>

>

> Similarly, let's say 11th House has 9 points, and 12th House has 7

> points - both houses are " low " , i.e. less than 12 points each - but

> although Native may not earn much (as 11th House points are less than 12

> points), he will still have more Income than Expense - as 12th House has

> less points than 11th House.

>

>

>

> As for the other element of your question - yes, certainly - say 12th

> House is high (e.g. 18 points), and also 7th House is high too (e.g. 16

> points) - then Native may travel or get married, etc.

>

> So yes, more points in 12th will generally mean more of all elements

> concerning 12th House - but needs to be assessed in relation to other

> Houses - e.g. 12th + 11th Houses to see Expenses, and 12th + 7th Houses

> to see Travel, or 12th + 9th Houses to see Spiritual I guess.

>

> Cheers - Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

>

> , " harjeet_bakshi "

> <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> > Does more points in 12th in an antra means more expense ?

> > or it can be anything regarding 12th house..

> > say if 12th house has more points along with 9th in antra can we say

> > the person might be more spiritual during that antra ? and expense

> > might not be as much as the points denote for the 12th house?

> > i mean 12th house can be taken as B for spirituality ??

> > i hope my question is not ambigious.

> > thanks/regards

> > harjeet

> >

> > , " Sateesh Batas "

> > makaras@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Manoshi,

> > >

> > > Here's a thought -

> > >

> > > Mars' points for 10th, 11th, 12th (Authority, Income, Expenses) are

> -

> > >

> > > 14, 21, 8

> > >

> > > 10th is less than 11th - so less Effort required for Income - and

> > 12th is less than either 10th or 11th - so less Expenses also.

> > >

> > >

> > > Whereas for Moon antra - I worked for at least some of it -

> > >

> > > Moon's points for 10th, 11th, 12th are -

> > >

> > > 21, 21, 2

> > >

> > > So Effort is required for Income, although both are equal - and

> > Expenses again lower than either 10th or 11th - but important point is

> > Moon's Effort and Income are equal, whereas Mars' is less Effort

> > required for Income.

> > >

> > > Sateesh.

> > >

> > > ========

> > >

> > > -

> > > Manoshi Chatterjee

> > >

> > > Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:33 PM

> > > Re: Charts Invited for

> > Study--Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> > >

> > >

> > > " MARS ANTRA HAS NOT SEEN ANY EMPLOYMENT YET (LEFT LAST JOB DURING

> > > MOON ANTRA) " .

> > >

> > > you mean to say you are unemployed at present?

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome :-)

 

Cheers - Sateesh.

 

========

 

-

harjeet_bakshi

 

Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:07 PM

Re: Charts Invited for Study--Sateesh

(Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

 

 

thanks very much Sateesh

that was very informative.

regards

Harjeet

 

, " sateeshbatas "

<makaras wrote:

>

>

> Dear Harjeet,

>

> I think the element SPECIFICALLY related to " Expense " needs to be seen

> in relation to how many points " 11th House has compared to 12th House " .

>

> Let me give made-up examples -

>

> Say 11th House has 20 points, and 12th House has 19 points - both houses

> are " high " , i.e. over 12 points each - but still, there is more Income

> than Expense (even if only just) - so Native will have at very end of

> Antra more Income than Debts.

>

>

>

> Similarly, let's say 11th House has 9 points, and 12th House has 7

> points - both houses are " low " , i.e. less than 12 points each - but

> although Native may not earn much (as 11th House points are less than 12

> points), he will still have more Income than Expense - as 12th House has

> less points than 11th House.

>

>

>

> As for the other element of your question - yes, certainly - say 12th

> House is high (e.g. 18 points), and also 7th House is high too (e.g. 16

> points) - then Native may travel or get married, etc.

>

> So yes, more points in 12th will generally mean more of all elements

> concerning 12th House - but needs to be assessed in relation to other

> Houses - e.g. 12th + 11th Houses to see Expenses, and 12th + 7th Houses

> to see Travel, or 12th + 9th Houses to see Spiritual I guess.

>

> Cheers - Sateesh.

 

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Dear Sateesh/Harjeet,

 

Would expenses indicated by house 12 include money outflow as a

result of investments? For example, if Su is the antara and has 14

points in 2nd house, 11 points in 11th house and 15 points in 12th

house. So obviously expenses are higher than income. But 2nd house

(wealth) is supposed to be improving.

 

I am not sure if my questions are even meaningful or not? But I

thought let me ask anyway.

 

Regards,

 

Pratap

 

 

, " Sateesh Batas "

<makaras wrote:

>

> Welcome :-)

>

> Cheers - Sateesh.

>

> ========

>

> -

> harjeet_bakshi

>

> Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:07 PM

> Re: Charts Invited for Study--

Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

>

>

> thanks very much Sateesh

> that was very informative.

> regards

> Harjeet

>

> , " sateeshbatas "

> <makaras@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Harjeet,

> >

> > I think the element SPECIFICALLY related to " Expense " needs to

be seen

> > in relation to how many points " 11th House has compared to 12th

House " .

> >

> > Let me give made-up examples -

> >

> > Say 11th House has 20 points, and 12th House has 19 points -

both houses

> > are " high " , i.e. over 12 points each - but still, there is more

Income

> > than Expense (even if only just) - so Native will have at very

end of

> > Antra more Income than Debts.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, let's say 11th House has 9 points, and 12th House has

7

> > points - both houses are " low " , i.e. less than 12 points each -

but

> > although Native may not earn much (as 11th House points are less

than 12

> > points), he will still have more Income than Expense - as 12th

House has

> > less points than 11th House.

> >

> >

> >

> > As for the other element of your question - yes, certainly - say

12th

> > House is high (e.g. 18 points), and also 7th House is high too

(e.g. 16

> > points) - then Native may travel or get married, etc.

> >

> > So yes, more points in 12th will generally mean more of all

elements

> > concerning 12th House - but needs to be assessed in relation to

other

> > Houses - e.g. 12th + 11th Houses to see Expenses, and 12th + 7th

Houses

> > to see Travel, or 12th + 9th Houses to see Spiritual I guess.

> >

> > Cheers - Sateesh.

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Dear Pratapji,

I think yes if points in 12th house goes up can mean investment.

If 4th house points goes up too that may mean investment in property

or buying a car for eg.

I may be wrong.. other members can share their views and correct me.

thanks/regards

harjeet

 

> Dear Sateesh/Harjeet,

>

> Would expenses indicated by house 12 include money outflow as a

> result of investments? For example, if Su is the antara and has 14

> points in 2nd house, 11 points in 11th house and 15 points in 12th

> house. So obviously expenses are higher than income. But 2nd house

> (wealth) is supposed to be improving.

>

> I am not sure if my questions are even meaningful or not? But I

> thought let me ask anyway.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pratap

>

>

> , " Sateesh Batas "

> <makaras@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome :-)

> >

> > Cheers - Sateesh.

> >

> > ========

> >

> > -

> > harjeet_bakshi

> >

> > Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:07 PM

> > Re: Charts Invited for Study--

> Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> >

> >

> > thanks very much Sateesh

> > that was very informative.

> > regards

> > Harjeet

> >

> > , " sateeshbatas "

> > <makaras@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Harjeet,

> > >

> > > I think the element SPECIFICALLY related to " Expense " needs to

> be seen

> > > in relation to how many points " 11th House has compared to 12th

> House " .

> > >

> > > Let me give made-up examples -

> > >

> > > Say 11th House has 20 points, and 12th House has 19 points -

> both houses

> > > are " high " , i.e. over 12 points each - but still, there is more

> Income

> > > than Expense (even if only just) - so Native will have at very

> end of

> > > Antra more Income than Debts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, let's say 11th House has 9 points, and 12th House has

> 7

> > > points - both houses are " low " , i.e. less than 12 points each -

> but

> > > although Native may not earn much (as 11th House points are less

> than 12

> > > points), he will still have more Income than Expense - as 12th

> House has

> > > less points than 11th House.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As for the other element of your question - yes, certainly - say

> 12th

> > > House is high (e.g. 18 points), and also 7th House is high too

> (e.g. 16

> > > points) - then Native may travel or get married, etc.

> > >

> > > So yes, more points in 12th will generally mean more of all

> elements

> > > concerning 12th House - but needs to be assessed in relation to

> other

> > > Houses - e.g. 12th + 11th Houses to see Expenses, and 12th + 7th

> Houses

> > > to see Travel, or 12th + 9th Houses to see Spiritual I guess.

> > >

> > > Cheers - Sateesh.

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Dear Harjeet,

 

Yes, this seems correct to me.

 

Also, if 8th house points are high can mean inheritance (unearned

income), 6th points high can mean getting loan from bank. 5th points

points going low can mean loss through speculation/gambling. So, one

can check these houses (2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 11th and 12th)

together and see where is the outflow to, where is the inflow from.

This is what I learnt from Ash. He can correct me if I made a mistake.

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

, " harjeet_bakshi "

<harjeet_bakshi wrote:

>

> , " pkaneria "

> <pkaneria@> wrote:

> >

> Dear Pratapji,

> I think yes if points in 12th house goes up can mean investment.

> If 4th house points goes up too that may mean investment in property

> or buying a car for eg.

> I may be wrong.. other members can share their views and correct me.

> thanks/regards

> harjeet

>

> > Dear Sateesh/Harjeet,

> >

> > Would expenses indicated by house 12 include money outflow as a

> > result of investments? For example, if Su is the antara and has 14

> > points in 2nd house, 11 points in 11th house and 15 points in 12th

> > house. So obviously expenses are higher than income. But 2nd house

> > (wealth) is supposed to be improving.

> >

> > I am not sure if my questions are even meaningful or not? But I

> > thought let me ask anyway.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Pratap

> >

> >

> > , " Sateesh Batas "

> > <makaras@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Welcome :-)

> > >

> > > Cheers - Sateesh.

> > >

> > > ========

> > >

> > > -

> > > harjeet_bakshi

> > >

> > > Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:07 PM

> > > Re: Charts Invited for Study--

> > Sateesh (Ramesh, Harjeet and others)

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks very much Sateesh

> > > that was very informative.

> > > regards

> > > Harjeet

> > >

> > > , " sateeshbatas "

> > > <makaras@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Harjeet,

> > > >

> > > > I think the element SPECIFICALLY related to " Expense " needs to

> > be seen

> > > > in relation to how many points " 11th House has compared to 12th

> > House " .

> > > >

> > > > Let me give made-up examples -

> > > >

> > > > Say 11th House has 20 points, and 12th House has 19 points -

> > both houses

> > > > are " high " , i.e. over 12 points each - but still, there is more

> > Income

> > > > than Expense (even if only just) - so Native will have at very

> > end of

> > > > Antra more Income than Debts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, let's say 11th House has 9 points, and 12th House has

> > 7

> > > > points - both houses are " low " , i.e. less than 12 points each -

> > but

> > > > although Native may not earn much (as 11th House points are less

> > than 12

> > > > points), he will still have more Income than Expense - as 12th

> > House has

> > > > less points than 11th House.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As for the other element of your question - yes, certainly - say

> > 12th

> > > > House is high (e.g. 18 points), and also 7th House is high too

> > (e.g. 16

> > > > points) - then Native may travel or get married, etc.

> > > >

> > > > So yes, more points in 12th will generally mean more of all

> > elements

> > > > concerning 12th House - but needs to be assessed in relation to

> > other

> > > > Houses - e.g. 12th + 11th Houses to see Expenses, and 12th + 7th

> > Houses

> > > > to see Travel, or 12th + 9th Houses to see Spiritual I guess.

> > > >

> > > > Cheers - Sateesh.

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