Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

[Guest guest]

My kiddo will also not eat beans. He has autism and like most kids with autism,

has OCD and sensory integration dysfunction. His OCD is mostly focused on food,

and his SID is largely concentrated in his oral defensiveness. It means I have

to introduce one new food at a time, and very slowly. He won't eat any grains

either, like rice or quinoa or barley. A shame, because I could honestly live

off rice and beans. He also won't eat anything " mixed " with a combination of

things in them like tabouli or salsa, nor will he touch anything mushy like

mashed potatoes or applesauce. I'm talking about he won't even sit at the same

table of someone who is eating them, and holds his nose when we pass the rice

and beans section of the grocery store because " they smell bad. " :/

 

It's made vegetarianism pretty difficult these last few months, but I can say

that little by little he is eating more things now, because he is becoming more

confident that not so many things are " disgusting. " I think over time

vegetarianism will actually help him be able to eat a wider variety of foods.

 

All I can say is keep introducing them and find something the child does like

and compare it favorably to something they do like. I got my kid to try hummus,

which he likes, by saying it's " a type of spread, like mayonnaise. " I put it in

sandwiches and on crackers for fruit-and-cheese-and-crackers breakfasts or on

veggie burger buns. He doesn't have to know it has beans.

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

Ohhhhhh!!!  THANK YOU, Laura!  I didn't even know (or think) about bean

powder.  That is a genius idea.  I appreciate you sharing it with me!  I will

try it out for sure. 

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Laura Ballinger Morales <lballinger wrote:

 

Laura Ballinger Morales <lballinger

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 6:17 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bean Flour

 

Bean flour is one great way to put your beans or other legumes to use. Bean

flour can be added to any recipe calling for wheat flour. Replace up to 1/4 of

the total amount of wheat flour with bean flour. Super nutrition can be added to

any commercial dry mix (cakes, cookies, muffins, breads) by adding a few

tablespoons of bean flour to the dry ingredients, then adding extra liquid as

necessary. Combining bean and wheat flours also helps form a complete protein

for those cutting out or down on meat. The best part is that no one will ever

know they’re eating beans!

 

By adding bean flour to thicken gravies and sauces, you increase the nutrition

and make your dishes virtually fat-free. Bean flour of any kind also makes an

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blending those beans to make thick, creamy, rich-tasting soups. Simply grind

some dry beans, add water, and cook for 3 minutes. Add your own pasta,

vegetables, or other beans for a quick, healthy, homemade soup. These 3-minute

soups can be made in the microwave or on the stove top. See the recipe section

of this web site for more recipes that use beans.

 

Grinding Tips

 

To grind beans, first sort them and check for dirty beans or rock pieces.. Place

the mill in a kitchen sink and fill hopper with beans. Cover with kitchen towels

to reduce bean dust, and leave a hole to stir beans as they go into the milling

chamber. Small seeds like peas and lentils will not need to be stirred. Large

beans like lima will need to be cracked in a blender or food grinder before

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Store flours in resealable plastic bags or other food storage containers and

refrigerate or freeze if possible. Flours last about six months at room

temperature. After that time, a bitter aftertaste may start to develop. Old

beans which have been stored too long (usually over 10 years) will taste bitter

whether they have been cooked whole or ground to a flour and made into soup.

 

 Laura Ballinger Morales

 

 

 

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:25:05 PM

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

Hi Denise,

 

I feel so bad for you, we are vegan and my kids eat beans almost every day in

one form or another!  I don't know what I would do if they didn't like them!! 

How about trying to make some sort of hummus or bean dip so they can dip chips

in it and it might be fun for them that way!  My kids love that as a snack and

sometimes it even becomes lunch!!  The organic corn chips are their favorite,

you could even put the dip on a sandwich as a spread, maybe mix it up with a

little veganaise so it's not so beany tasting....good luck!!

 

Anna

 

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Denise Turner <deniseamay >

 

 

 

Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:00:00

 

<@gro ups.com>

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

Hey Robin! 

 

I am so serious...my kids will NOT eat beans.  If they can see the beans they

will pick them out or totally refuse to eat.  I've tried smashing the beans and

mixing it into other foods...they will taste it and spit it out..  Sometimes my

17 month old with eat lentils if I mix it in with a grain but my 3 year old will

not eat it at all.

 

 

 

If anyone has tips please share!  I keep offering the beans and I'm hoping it's

something they will outgrow.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

- Denise

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, robin koloms <rkoloms > wrote:

 

 

 

robin koloms <rkoloms >

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

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Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:57 PM

 

 

 

   

 

           

 

           

 

 

 

     

 

      Hi Denise,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't think that I am being rude, but I have never heard of child who

will not eat beans. What do you do with them? We have burritos at least once a

week (black beans and sweet potato); love black bean soup and chili (eat weekly

in the winter); taco salads in the summer; stews with veggies and beans (I need

to think about what to throw in the crockpot for dinner)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Robin

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay> wrote:

 

 

 

Denise Turner <deniseamay>

 

 

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:07 AM

 

 

 

Thanks everyone!   Yes, I guess I am worried about the protein factor.  I

think they get a good amount from nuts, seeds, eggs, cheese and grains but I was

worried that wasn't enough so I thought about soy.  They won't eat beans which

totally sucks since they are so packed with protein! 

 

 

 

I haven't found any pediatricians that are knowledgeable in vegetarianism so

it's been tricky figuring this all out on my own.  I've read some books but for

some reason still feel puzzled. 

 

 

 

I agree that whole soy would be best (tofu, edame) - I appreciate all your

replies!  I feel better about my choices. 

 

 

 

God bless!

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Linda Evans <veganlinda> wrote:

 

 

 

Linda Evans <veganlinda>

 

 

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

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Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:47 PM

 

 

 

We aren't soy free, but you can certainly have a complete diet vegan or not

without eating soy. Is there a reason you think your family is missing

something? What do you think they are missing? Have you talked with a

veg-friendly dietitian and/or kept a food diary?

 

 

 

I wouldn't say that most veg eat more soy than the general public. A lot of the

omnis I know eat quite a bit of soy (they may not realize it). When I was

vegetarian I ate very little tofu, tempeh, miso, edamame, but I'm sure I was

eating soy in processed foods. :-)

 

 

 

Linda

 

 

 

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____________ _________ _________ __

 

 

 

Denise <deniseamay>

 

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Monday, April 27, 2009 3:38:02 PM

 

 

 

Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

Hey everyone!

 

 

 

I have been a vegetarian for almost 10 years now. I have two boys (age 3 and 17

months). I have been raising them lacto-ovo-vegetaria n but don't include soy

products. I've read too many conflicting reports on how soy may actually be

terrible for your health and just don't want to risk it.

 

 

 

But now I'm worried that I may not be giving them a well balanced veg diet if

I'm excluding soy. Is anyone else out there raising vegetarian kids and

excluding soy?? Seems like most veg eat alot of soy.

 

 

 

Any advice or thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated! !!

 

 

 

THANK YOU!!!!

 

 

 

Denise

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

andrea,

my 3 yr old is hf/asd/with sid. i do a lot of food trickery with her.

unita

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:38:38 AM

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

 

 

My kiddo will also not eat beans. He has autism and like most kids with autism,

has OCD and sensory integration dysfunction. His OCD is mostly focused on food,

and his SID is largely concentrated in his oral defensiveness. It means I have

to introduce one new food at a time, and very slowly. He won't eat any grains

either, like rice or quinoa or barley. A shame, because I could honestly live

off rice and beans. He also won't eat anything " mixed " with a combination of

things in them like tabouli or salsa, nor will he touch anything mushy like

mashed potatoes or applesauce. I'm talking about he won't even sit at the same

table of someone who is eating them, and holds his nose when we pass the rice

and beans section of the grocery store because " they smell bad. " :/

 

It's made vegetarianism pretty difficult these last few months, but I can say

that little by little he is eating more things now, because he is becoming more

confident that not so many things are " disgusting. " I think over time

vegetarianism will actually help him be able to eat a wider variety of foods..

 

All I can say is keep introducing them and find something the child does like

and compare it favorably to something they do like. I got my kid to try hummus,

which he likes, by saying it's " a type of spread, like mayonnaise. " I put it in

sandwiches and on crackers for fruit-and-cheese- and-crackers breakfasts or on

veggie burger buns. He doesn't have to know it has beans.

 

Andrea

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have found that most of the statements made about the dangers of soy have come

from Kaayla Daniel, author of the book The Whole Soy Story. She is a clinical

nutrionist but i dont think her theorys about the dangers of consuming soy are

well supported. She is also a board member of the Weston A Price Foundation who

promote eating whole milk products, eggs and meat and state in their list of "

dietary dangers " that veganism is dangerous and that " animal products provide

vital nutrients not found in plant foods " based on this i think Daniels research

on soy may be a little biased.

 

Joanna

[Guest guest]

What was the " great article " and who wrote it? I love Mothering, but they have

printed articles about soy written by WAPers before so I take it with a grain of

salt so to speak (as I would any article in a mag).

 

I'm no nutritionist, but I love reading studies and keeping up what is going on

in the land of nutrition. I have The Dietitan's Guide to Vegetarian Diets

(second edition) and when people bring up issues with soy, I usually refer them

to this book. If you can find a copy at your local library it is quite useful.

 

Linda

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My personal blogs:

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http://cucarfree.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

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Bonnie S Sorak <bsorak

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:25:37 PM

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

 

 

There was also a great article in Mothering magazine about soy. It talked

a lot about babies getting totally bombarded by soy formula. Worth

reading. I am vegan and have been mostly soy free for 3 years. Discovered

my sensitivity when trying to get to the bottom of my youngest's eczema

(and mine). I don't eat any soy at home. I've found it is virtually

impossible to avoid when eating out though. So, when we are on vacation I

go on a " soy holiday " and then pay the price in sleepless nights

afterwards. I have 4 vegan boys but they were all nursed exclusively for

at least 6 months and for at least 2 if not 3 years. They do eat soy

(enriched soy milk) and I'll admit to using some " convenience " food. But

I think they aren't healthy so I try to limit those and mostly load up on

whole grains, etc. But if one showed sensitivity to it I wouldn't

hesitate to take him off soy.

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GREAT ideas, Carla!  Thanks!!

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Carla Huala <chuala wrote:

 

Carla Huala <chuala

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 11:44 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Denise,

 

 

 

I had the same problem with my son. I just kept offering them and eventually he

started to eat them.

 

 

 

In the mean time I used a great recipe from How it All Vegan, called Nutty

Hummus dip. It tastes like peanut butter and jam sandwiches. Just blend the

following:

 

 

 

3/4 c cooked or canned chickpeas

 

1/4 c nut butter

 

1/4 c apple juice

 

1/2 t cinnamon

 

1/4 c any jam

 

 

 

Then spread on sandwich. I think the cinnamon is a great way to hide the bean

flavor. I also used cinnamon raisin bread to cover the taste even more, and he

ate it up!

 

 

 

I also blended beans in rice milk then added it to pancake batter along with

cinnamon and he didn't notice a bean taste in my pancakes either.

 

 

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

 

Carla

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay > wrote:

 

 

 

Denise Turner <deniseamay >

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:00 PM

 

 

 

Hey Robin! 

 

I am so serious...my kids will NOT eat beans.  If they can see the beans they

will pick them out or totally refuse to eat.  I've tried smashing the beans and

mixing it into other foods...they will taste it and spit it out..  Sometimes my

17 month old with eat lentils if I mix it in with a grain but my 3 year old will

not eat it at all.

 

 

 

If anyone has tips please share!  I keep offering the beans and I'm hoping it's

something they will outgrow.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

- Denise

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, robin koloms <rkoloms > wrote:

 

 

 

robin koloms <rkoloms >

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:57 PM

 

 

 

Hi Denise,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please don't think that I am being rude, but I have never heard of child who

will not eat beans. What do you do with them? We have burritos at least once a

week (black beans and sweet potato); love black bean soup and chili (eat weekly

in the winter); taco salads in the summer; stews with veggies and beans (I need

to think about what to throw in the crockpot for dinner)..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Robin

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 4/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay> wrote:

 

 

 

Denise Turner <deniseamay>

 

 

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:07 AM

 

 

 

Thanks everyone!   Yes, I guess I am worried about the protein factor.  I think

they get a good amount from nuts, seeds, eggs, cheese and grains but I was

worried that wasn't enough so I thought about soy.  They won't eat beans which

totally sucks since they are so packed with protein! 

 

 

 

I haven't found any pediatricians that are knowledgeable in vegetarianism so

it's been tricky figuring this all out on my own.  I've read some books but for

some reason still feel puzzled. 

 

 

 

I agree that whole soy would be best (tofu, edame) - I appreciate all your

replies!  I feel better about my choices. 

 

 

 

God bless!

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Linda Evans <veganlinda> wrote:

 

 

 

Linda Evans <veganlinda>

 

 

 

Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:47 PM

 

 

 

We aren't soy free, but you can certainly have a complete diet vegan or not

without eating soy. Is there a reason you think your family is missing

something? What do you think they are missing? Have you talked with a

veg-friendly dietitian and/or kept a food diary?

 

 

 

I wouldn't say that most veg eat more soy than the general public. A lot of the

omnis I know eat quite a bit of soy (they may not realize it). When I was

vegetarian I ate very little tofu, tempeh, miso, edamame, but I'm sure I was

eating soy in processed foods. :-)

 

 

 

Linda

 

 

 

A Marketplace for a Better World (Cruelty-free, Environmentally- Conscious, and

Fair Labor Products)

 

 

 

http://triballife. net/

 

 

 

http://triballifein c.blogspot. com/

 

 

 

My personal blogs:

 

 

 

http://veganlinda. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

http://cucarfree. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

 

 

Denise <deniseamay>

 

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Monday, April 27, 2009 3:38:02 PM

 

 

 

Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

 

 

 

Hey everyone!

 

 

 

I have been a vegetarian for almost 10 years now. I have two boys (age 3 and 17

months). I have been raising them lacto-ovo-vegetaria n but don't include soy

products. I've read too many conflicting reports on how soy may actually be

terrible for your health and just don't want to risk it.

 

 

 

But now I'm worried that I may not be giving them a well balanced veg diet if

I'm excluding soy. Is anyone else out there raising vegetarian kids and

excluding soy?? Seems like most veg eat alot of soy.

 

 

 

Any advice or thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated! !!

 

 

 

THANK YOU!!!!

 

 

 

Denise

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow what a bother! The dip thing sounds good, I also make a spag bol

with red beans mashed up beyond recognition! The flavors of the sauce

would hide the beans well.

As for soy, I must admit that I eat a fair bit of it and my 2 yr old

has a bit too but we are working on using more beans. I wonder if the

bean thing is now just stubborness? Could you try making a dish with

beans mashed up and make treat like and see if they eat it. Or maybe

make a cake from chick pea flour and when they eat it say that it was

made from beans. Might change their perception of beans a bit!

Best of luck

Ange

On 29/04/2009, at 5:27 AM, Marla Rose <marla wrote:

 

>

>

> A friend of mine has the same thing with her two boys. I think the

> younger

> one learned it from the other. Hummus doesn't work, huh? I would be

> lost

> without beans.

>

> M

>

> > Hey Robin!

> > I am so serious...my kids will NOT eat beans. If they can see the

> beans they

> > will pick them out or totally refuse to eat. I've tried smashing

> the beans

> > and mixing it into other foods...they will taste it and spit it

> out..

> > Sometimes my 17 month old with eat lentils if I mix it in with a

> grain but my

> > 3 year old will not eat it at all.

> >

> > If anyone has tips please share! I keep offering the beans and

> I'm hoping

> > it's something they will outgrow.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > - Denise

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, robin koloms <rkoloms wrote:

> >

> > robin koloms <rkoloms

> > Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

> >

> > Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 12:57 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Denise,

> >

> >

> >

> > Please don't think that I am being rude, but I have never heard of

> child who

> > will not eat beans. What do you do with them? We have burritos at

> least once a

> > week (black beans and sweet potato); love black bean soup and

> chili (eat

> > weekly in the winter); taco salads in the summer; stews with

> veggies and beans

> > (I need to think about what to throw in the crockpot for dinner)..

> >

> >

> >

> > Robin

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Denise Turner <deniseamay >

> >

> > Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:07 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks everyone! Yes, I guess I am worried about the protein

> factor. I

> > think they get a good amount from nuts, seeds, eggs, cheese and

> grains but I

> > was worried that wasn't enough so I thought about soy. They won't

> eat beans

> > which totally sucks since they are so packed with protein!

> >

> >

> >

> > I haven't found any pediatricians that are knowledgeable in

> vegetarianism so

> > it's been tricky figuring this all out on my own. I've read some

> books but

> > for some reason still feel puzzled.

> >

> >

> >

> > I agree that whole soy would be best (tofu, edame) - I appreciate

> all your

> > replies! I feel better about my choices.

> >

> >

> >

> > God bless!

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Linda Evans <veganlinda> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Linda Evans <veganlinda>

> >

> > Re: Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:47 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > We aren't soy free, but you can certainly have a complete diet

> vegan or not

> > without eating soy. Is there a reason you think your family is

> missing

> > something? What do you think they are missing? Have you talked

> with a

> > veg-friendly dietitian and/or kept a food diary?

> >

> >

> >

> > I wouldn't say that most veg eat more soy than the general public.

> A lot of

> > the omnis I know eat quite a bit of soy (they may not realize it).

> When I was

> > vegetarian I ate very little tofu, tempeh, miso, edamame, but I'm

> sure I was

> > eating soy in processed foods. :-)

> >

> >

> >

> > Linda

> >

> >

> >

> > A Marketplace for a Better World (Cruelty-free, Environmentally-

> Conscious,

> > and Fair Labor Products)

> >

> >

> >

> > http://triballife. net/

> >

> >

> >

> > http://triballifein c.blogspot. com/

> >

> >

> >

> > My personal blogs:

> >

> >

> >

> > http://veganlinda. blogspot. com/

> >

> >

> >

> > http://cucarfree. blogspot. com/

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

> >

> > Denise <deniseamay>

> >

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> >

> >

> > Monday, April 27, 2009 3:38:02 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > Anyone raising veg kids without Soy?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hey everyone!

> >

> >

> >

> > I have been a vegetarian for almost 10 years now. I have two boys

> (age 3 and

> > 17 months). I have been raising them lacto-ovo-vegetaria n but

> don't include

> > soy products. I've read too many conflicting reports on how soy

> may actually

> > be terrible for your health and just don't want to risk it.

> >

> >

> >

> > But now I'm worried that I may not be giving them a well balanced

> veg diet if

> > I'm excluding soy. Is anyone else out there raising vegetarian

> kids and

> > excluding soy?? Seems like most veg eat alot of soy.

> >

> >

> >

> > Any advice or thoughts would be GREATLY appreciated! !!

> >

> >

> >

> > THANK YOU!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > Denise

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree about the good/not so good soy foods others have mentioned.

 

I've also found that a lot of the anti soy extremists are Weston Price folks.

 

Jeff Novick MS. RD. has a great article

 

Putting Soy Consumption In Perspective

 

http://www.jeffnovick.com/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=467:putti\

ng-soy-consumption-in-perspective & catid=97:newsletter & Itemid=349

 

Danita